I have always wondered...why some people get s-off and some s-on and different versions of Hboot? anyone know?
its obvious what s-off and s-on does, but what are the differences between the Hboots? any advantages of one over another?
i only care about the radio version lol
seriously, the wifi signal sucks on my Telus Amaze, dont know if Tmo get better radio versions or not...
still waiting for s-off that we can easily flash radio
seansk said:
I have always wondered...why some people get s-off and some s-on and different versions of Hboot? anyone know?
its obvious what s-off and s-on does, but what are the differences between the Hboots? any advantages of one over another?
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I don't know why some phones came with S-Off and the rest with S-On, but Hboot is kind of like the BIOS of a computer. Whenever there is an update, HTC will update the Hboot.
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Hello, I recently bought my Flyer, S-OFF'd, rooted, got CWM and custom ROM, everything's fine. In the HTC Desire section there are many threads about RADIO updates, mostly taken from new builds/RUUs/leaks: is there something like that for Flyer? Or can anyone point me to the latest RADIOs available so I can check against the RADIO I have now? Thanks!
I think the issue here is that there aren't a lot of releases from HTC for the Flyer that would have this in it, except for maybe the Honeycomb leaks. I don't know if a GB radio would work in HC and vice versa. I know what you're talking about though, in the DInc forums there's like 6 - 7 different radios you can flash from various leaks/official releases, and EVO radios were even compatible with them...so there were a ton of options.
I don't think that's the case with the Flyer. If I am wrong, someone correct me, as I only have a Wifi only version, but I just haven't seen radios around these forums in abundance.
I may be wrong but I believe there is serious risk in having a radio that does not match the hboot on your flyer. I would not suggest playing with radios
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mcord11758 said:
I may be wrong but I believe there is serious risk in having a radio that does not match the hboot on your flyer. I would not suggest playing with radios
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Let's go with "you're wrong," as it's pretty easy to swap out radios if you flash a bad one.
MattG987 said:
Let's go with "you're wrong," as it's pretty easy to swap out radios if you flash a bad one.
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Indeed. And I don't think there's any link between hboots and radios. What are you on, guys?
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Originally Posted by globatron
It will just fail. Revolutionary uses hboot protection. Even if it did manage to update hboot, the partitions are different as are the boot image bases. You'd just make a mess of the software and have to RUU, worst case you end up with a hboot/radio mismatch and have to send it back to HTC to be re-imaged.
You won't be stuck, for as of right now it's the *only* way you can have HC. HC system images are too big for the old partition layout.
Yeah a reasonable statement if you have a device with no unlock. Otherwise it's just as easy to apply su as a zip file, you need CWM either way.
thanks for the info. for what its worth, i had based my answer on updating to an official release HC from a HC leak,but in retrospect that dint make sense either,as you prolly wont get an OTA while on a leak ima just be quiet now
Originally Posted by globatron
No, don't be quiet...just learn from mistakes. If you don't keep trying it's pointless because nobody learns. If I didn't think you or others could benefit from the information then I wouldn't bothered with the explanations.
i agree with you completely,thats just my humor. got honeycomb installed and am very much enjoying my flyer.
just trying to keep in mind that what i know about phones will not neccessarily apply anymore. for example,the hboot incompatibility between HC and GB. revolutionary hboot works for everything on the phones,so we change radios around regularly. not that ive any reason to change the radio in my wifi flyer,but it never occured to me that mis-matching the radio and hboot oculd cause such a catastrophe that an ruu wouldnt fix it definately good info to have
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I did not pull the concept of mismatch radio/hboot from my ass
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There is a very definite relationship between htc unlockable hboots and radios. With S-OFF hboots however no such issue unless you try to go back to S-ON and flash an unrecoverable configuration of hboot/version-main and radio. It an odd situation to get into but it is possible while there are no official HC RUUs.
HC hboot + HC version-main + GB radio = send to HTC for re-imaging or wait for an offical RUU.
A mismatched radio/hboot prevents the HTC unlock from working, and without unlock and hence without root you can't fix the main version and can't RUU.
As I said at the top so long as you stay S-OFF flashing a bad radio doesn't matter.
Thanks for the clear explanation.
I told that because I'm S-OFF so wouldn't mind trying some radios for a few days. So I ask again: what version are you using, guys? And what is your feedback about that?
this may seem to be a dumb question but i dont know how
spaghettiknight said:
this may seem to be a dumb question but i dont know how
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Use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737123
Be sure to read carefully and make sure you understand the risks.
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Thank you premo I will take a look at it when I get good signal
why do you need security off besides loading raios from bootladers instead of recoverys
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Use this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737123
Be sure to read carefully and make sure you understand the risks.
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This does't work for 1.15 hboot correct? Or did i miss something
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why do you need security off besides loading raios from bootladers instead of recoverys
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It depends on which version of hboot you're using. If you're on 1.12, the only thing you can't do with S-ON is flash firmware (except radios). On 1.15, HTC made S-ON more secure by preventing you from flashing anything but recoveries and roms...some have been successful in flashing kernels but it requires flashing an entire boot image through the bootloader. There isn't currently a method for obtaining S-OFF if you're already on 1.15, but the devs are working on it.
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You don't take OTA's period
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You don't take OTA's period
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Absolutely...the real problem is for those that are getting phones that shipped with the latest OTA already pre loaded. I've heard some talk of loading older RUUs in order to downgrade and then turn S-OFF but I think there are some caveats. Do you know if that's possible?
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Absolutely...the real problem is for those that are getting phones that shipped with the latest OTA already pre loaded. I've heard some talk of loading older RUUs in order to downgrade and then turn S-OFF but I think there are some caveats. Do you know if that's possible?
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I am currently on hboot 1.12 is there any large reason for me to update and if so how do I do it
spaghettiknight said:
I am currently on hboot 1.12 is there any large reason for me to update and if so how do I do it
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No, you dont want the new H-boot
If your haven't ran lazypanda to get S-off do it while you still can
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No, you dont want the new H-boot
If your haven't ran lazypanda to get S-off do it while you still can
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What do u mean do it while I still can does it automatically update when flashing newer roms
No, just when you take the ota update. Lazzypanda s-off is easy w/ very little risk you will be glad you did it.
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I've looked for weeks and I'm still unsure about this. I can run a custom ROM being unlocked. However, can I flash a radio? or do I need to be S-off? My old EVO allowed me to do an "all in one" zip that would include ROM, radio, PRI, PRL etc. When I got my Sprint EVO LTE a couple of weeks ago, and after reading XDA forums for hours, I was pleased to know my Hboot is 1.12. It seems you can do more with this version than any other.
Thanks for this clarification.
It's easy enough to get s-off if u follow instructions. Be easier if u did, and there are people who would love to be in your shoes to have s-off on this phone.
I'm not sure about radios. I think u need to be s-off to flash just a radio. And if u stay S-ON upgrading thru RUU's will put u on perma-S-ON hboot. Or permanent until someone can come up with an exploit. And that isn't looking too promising atm.
I know 1.12 is more slack than 1.15&1.19, when S-ON, but might as well s-off while u can. Right?
Anthonicia said:
It's easy enough to get s-off if u follow instructions. Be easier if u did, and there are people who would love to be in your shoes to have s-off on this phone.
I'm not sure about radios. I think u need to be s-off to flash just a radio. And if u stay S-ON upgrading thru RUU's will put u on perma-S-ON hboot. Or permanent until someone can come up with an exploit. And that isn't looking too promising atm.
I know 1.12 is more slack than 1.15&1.19, when S-ON, but might as well s-off while u can. Right?
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what he said ^^^^^^
You are correct. You cannot flash radios if you are s-on.
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You can flash radios only in recovery with s-on.
Look in this tread by Captaintrowback.
http://themikmik.com/showthread.php?13192-RADIOS-Jewel-Radio-Collection-LATEST-1-12-11-0809
It appears that HBOOT 1.15 will not get s-off any time soon...Is it O.K. to upgrade to HBOOT 1.19 and wait then for s-off capabilities, or is 1.19 taboo also.
I am rooted, can I stall HBOOT 1.19 with abd, or would I have to root the phone again, and install a recovery...
There are 2 ways, ruu or revert to stock for ota. You must relock bootloader before ruu or ota. For the ota you need stock recovery as well. There's a few misconceptions floating around. First is that you need to update to run the latest base, this is simply not true, I'm running mikeys latest without issue. The second is basically the same but involving the aroma installer, flashes fine but sometimes kernel will not flash and you boot to bootloader. This does not mean you need to update only that the kernel did not like the new base, fastboot kernel and you'll be fine. Some people still have WiFi issues and others have LTE issues, both should have been addressed in the last 2 updates and people with the latest firmware are still having problems. To me this does not warrant relocking upgrading and going through the unlock again.
A lot of people including myself don't consider 1.19 an upgrade and like om said you don't nerf to update
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Always best waiting
In my experiences, it is almost ALWAYS best to wait. If for some reason 1.19 gets s-off before 1.15 then u can update. But for now, just wait. I got lucky and I'm 1.12 s-off either way warranty is gone so always get s-off whenever possible.
I keep seeing threads about s-off. I'll like people to be more specific as to what they're trying to achieve that they can't while being s-on?
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Just the ability to directly flash software to partitions normally inaccessible, Firmware basically. Those of us s-on would have to flash back to stock, lock hboot, and accept an ota or relock and run the ruu
Also, don't know the details of any of it, but in the s-off bounty thread guy is donating a 1.15 hboot. U can flip a coin better than I can say what they will do with it then. Either update it to 1.19 or try and find the exploit on 1.15.
Personally, if I was a badass at finding exploits in HTC coding then I'd crack both like yesterday. But if I was that badass I'd have better stuff to do as well... Hoping for 1.19 s-off just for future development.
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Also, don't know the details of any of it, but in the s-off bounty thread guy is donating a 1.15 hboot. U can flip a coin better than I can say what they will do with it then. Either update it to 1.19 or try and find the exploit on 1.15.
Personally, if I was a badass at finding exploits in HTC coding then I'd crack both like yesterday. But if I was that badass I'd have better stuff to do as well... Hoping for 1.19 s-off just for future development.
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there is a guy in the s-off thread saying he will give up his phone and i saw fuses sent him a PM reply about it hang in there guys
om4 said:
There are 2 ways, ruu or revert to stock for ota. You must relock bootloader before ruu or ota. For the ota you need stock recovery as well. There's a few misconceptions floating around. First is that you need to update to run the latest base, this is simply not true, I'm running mikeys latest without issue.
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Quick question: Are you saying that if I wanted to run Mean ROM that I do not need to be in the latest OTA? I'm confused because I was under the understanding that we needed to be on 2.13. Please clarify for me.
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No you don't, I ran meanrom a few days ago and today I switched to viper 2.02. Meanroms kernel installer worked fine, viper required fastboot but both run fine
Thanks for the quick response. Wow, I feel like a dumb *ss now. I've been holding out trying any new roms because I didn't want to come off of hboot 1.15.
Which rom do you like better so far between viper and mikey's?
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The level of customization on viper is crazy, meanrom runs great with evilz kernel and is closer to stock. I'm still sifting through the different mods for viper and I've yet to check out any themes but so far but I'm still digging through it all
I am already S-Off, but it is from lazy panda. Should i switch to Dirty Racun, or try and retrieve S-Off through Dirty Racun? Are there any benefits, or any differences between the two? Also if I were to switch to Dirty Racun what would be the benefits, if there are any?
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I am already S-Off, but it is from lazy panda. Should i switch to Dirty Racun, or try and retrieve S-Off through Dirty Racun? Are there any benefits, or any differences between the two? Also if I were to switch to Dirty Racun what would be the benefits, if there are any?
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No benefit at all...keep what you got.
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When you are s-off that's it. You are s-off. No reason to s-on just to s-off by another method.
i think the only difference would be the version of U.IO's HBOOT you're on and you can flash those to update if need be. but i can't tell you what benefit there is if any to doing that. best bet would be to go to their site and jump on IRC and ask them the specific question, (should i flash a newer hboot)
There is no benefit to updating hboot, its really just security and future proofing for oems. If there are any future hardware revisions like different lcds or the like, the hboot may be updated across the entire line of phones but its not like firmware or os updates.
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There is no benefit to updating hboot, its really just security and future proofing for oems. If there are any future hardware revisions like different lcds or the like, the hboot may be updated across the entire line of phones but its not like firmware or os updates.
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i'm inclined to agree with you on those points, yet my cynicism tells me if there's no difference between them then why does U.IO have multiple versions for our one device?
Because they patched the original soff exploit for hboot 1.12 with 1.15. Then hboot was updated to 1.19 but that was mainly a maintenance type release. They also removed access to boot partition with hboot 1.15
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Because they patched the original soff exploit for hboot 1.12 with 1.15. Then hboot was updated to 1.19 but that was mainly a maintenance type release. They also removed access to boot partition with hboot 1.15
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i know that's why HTC did it, but why would Unlimited.IO ?? why not just have HBOOT 12.12.12.12 "HornyGroundMole" and use it to patch overtop of 1.12, 1.15, or 1.19? or am i not recalling properly that they came out with an updated version for LazyPanda after their original release? or did they do it and they only did it for the sake of changing the version number and no actual code was updated?
The original release was an early beta they refined it, this new soff is only for hboots 1.15 and 1.19. It's a different exploit then what was used for 1.12