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I was thinking about what ICS would look like on our phones.
I understand how the 3 buttons work for the galaxy nexus. There are no 4 buttons like on every other android phone to navigate. How will our phone get the update and what will it look like?
(when i say softkeys, i am referring to the 4 standard keys on android phones. I dont care if it is not the right term)
Will they just ignore the softkey buttons on our phones and put the three from ICS on the phone? This will really reduce usable screen size.
Will Samsung do away with the three buttons from ICS on phones that have the soft key buttons?
Will manufacturers have to make 2 versions of ICS? One for phones with softkeys and one for phones without?
Do you think that new phones coming out with ICS will have softkeys that are similar to the galaxy nexus on screen keys, or will they make all future phones like the nexus with no softkeys and just on screen keys?
I guess it all comes down to how Samsung wants to skin it. What do you think they will do with phones with the 4 standard keys?
I assume ICS will have an option built-in to disable software buttons.
It's more likely that ICS programs will just have to be more device aware than programs have been previously. All Gingerbread programs can be expected to work, and the softkey area will just display the standard keys. ICS enabled programs will need to support the standard keys (home, back, menu), or, in the case that a program is running on a native ICS phone (with the softkey screen area), the program will be able to dictate what shows up in that screen area, whether it be a modified keyset, or an extension of the program itself.
I am sure they have it figured since I read that the older nexus s will be the FIRST to get it as far as older phones go and I believe it has the three/ or four softkeys on it right? So if that is the case I am not too worried about it not working on our devices as I would BET it is planned in the grand scheme of things.
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people are getting way to hung up on these ICS soft keys. If the Nexus S is getting ICS, Im sure that any phone that has capacitive keys will have the on screen keys disabled. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
Why would Google go with on-screen keys? Whats the benefit? What happens to those that want to use 3.5 - 4.0 inches screen. How would that work. To me its a step backwards. Hopefully manufacturers will keep the soft keys we came to love about android, no ugly menu button on the screen like iOS completely ruining you screen real-estate.
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I am more then sure that Google has already thought of how to get around all these issues when ICS was placed in development.
Remember the Nexus One & Nexus S (S 4G) all have four buttons on the phone as well. Google wouldn't release a new OS version and cripple every phone out there with 4 buttons.
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people are getting way to hung up on these ICS soft keys. If the Nexus S is getting ICS, Im sure that any phone that has capacitive keys will have the on screen keys disabled. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
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Agreed
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Phandroid just picked up a Gizmodo article confirming that devices with hardware buttons will operate as they do now, and the on screen buttons will be disabled.
http://phandroid.com/2011/10/25/yes-your-android-buttons-will-still-work-with-ice-cream-sandwich/
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i Agreed and believe the same thing Google wouldn't put out something that would cripple all there other phones
Just saw this on Engadget thought I'd share.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/att-galaxy-note-confirmed-at-ces/
Edit 1: I'm sure almost everyone has seen this but thought I'd add it to the OP. But it passed through the FCC. Also I will update when I see anything on the release date, definite specs and pricing.
http://m.engadget.com/default/article.do?artUrl=http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/20/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-passes-through-the-fcc/&category=classic&postPage=1
Edit 2: Several sites have claimed that there was a leaked AT&T road-map showing a release date and price. They say the possible release date to be February 18th for $300. Hope it's true! And here is a link over to android community and bgr. Thank you bigmout for bringing bgr to my attention.
http://androidcommunity.com/att-galaxy-note-rumors-point-to-february-18th-for-299-20120125/
http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/25/atts-q1-2012-roadmap-samsung-galaxy-note-rugby-smart-and-att-fusion-launching-feb-18/
Edit 3: NFC Support has been confirm for AT&T version by Samsung! Here's a link over to engadget.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/26/samsung-dissects-galaxy-note-confirms-nfc-support-for-lte-versi/
Edit 4: We have an official release date and price February 19th for $299. With preorders starting the 5th. And here's the link to engadget.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/30/samsung-galaxy-note-att/
Edit 5: The source code has been released!! And here is a link over Android Community.
http://androidcommunity.com/att-samsung-galaxy-note-source-code-released-20120201/
Edit 6: Pre-ordering has begun ordering mine in the "morning"!! Also I added a pole to see what color everyone is getting!
http://www.androidauthority.com/att-galaxy-note-confirmed-42585/ there it is too. And theres no lte icon! Yes there is hope. It seems like an h+ icon. Anyone confirm? Or someone there lol.
I really hope so! I've been thinking about buying the international version, because I want exynos
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I really hope so! I've been thinking about buying the international version, because I want exynos
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For me it would be fine if ut had the s3, but it would have to ship with ics. Without ics, the s3 will suck, with not as much android developers wanting a 2.3 device when most phones coming out with ics in a month.
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http://www.androidauthority.com/att-galaxy-note-confirmed-42585/ there it is too. And theres no lte icon! Yes there is hope. It seems like an h+ icon. Anyone confirm? Or someone there lol.
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Awesome! Got my fingers crossed! And I agree s3 with ICS wouldn't be bad at all. Though a 4212 with LTE and ICS would be nice...
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Awesome! Got my fingers crossed! And I agree s3 with ICS wouldn't be bad at all. Though a 4212 with LTE and ICS would be nice...
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Ooohhhh yea. Ics idea is far out, but still its a possibility.
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Ooohhhh yea. Ics idea is far out, but still its a possibility.
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Haha yeah just a bit. One can only hope. But hopefully all the info on it will come tomorrow.
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Haha yeah just a bit. One can only hope. But hopefully all the info on it will come tomorrow.
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Ill be at school checking haha.
That's good AT&T is getting it but I think I'll give up LTE for the physical button. And I'm sure they'll cut corners where they can and leave something out like usual.
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That's good AT&T is getting it but I think I'll give up LTE for the physical button. And I'm sure they'll cut corners where they can and leave something out like usual.
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They may leave something out, but with their latest phones theyve actually been smart. And we still have no confirmation if it is lte, but it def will not have the button. Too bad, the button looks cool. I just hope it has the exynos somehow.
looks like it has 4 control buttons on the bottom . . .
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looks like it has 4 control buttons on the bottom . . .
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They need/want a hard one
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Braxos said:
They need/want a hard one
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Whow man lol just kidding. I necissarily (sorry typing fast) dont care, i just want either ics or the exynos lol.
Exactly no one will really care all that much if it has a physical button or not. Yes it defintely looks cool and I'd honestly prefer it but the search button is nice in some cases each way I'm sure has an advantage. As for me it also boils down to hoping for ICS and exynos. Though I'm getting the phone regardless of what's in it I want the note because of what it does and being somewhat unique.
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For me it would be fine if ut had the s3, but it would have to ship with ics. Without ics, the s3 will suck, with not as much android developers wanting a 2.3 device when most phones coming out with ics in a month.
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Would ICS fix the lag that the S3 is supposedly to have during games and such? Sorry I've been researching betwen the OGs2 and the skyrocket and everyone seems to say the ogs2 is better because of the lag on the skyrocket and worse performance in gaming.
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Would ICS fix the lag that the S3 is supposedly to have during games and such? Sorry I've been researching betwen the OGs2 and the skyrocket and everyone seems to say the ogs2 is better because of the lag on the skyrocket and worse performance in gaming.
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From what I've noticed on my captivate it has given a performance boost and is way smoother than GB. Also while the S3 is slightly slower then the exynos the true difference in speed is a lot of the time exaggerated. I believe with ICS it'll be amazing but even just GB S3 performance will be fine and hopefully an update will roll out quickly.
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Exactly no one will really care all that much if it has a physical button or not. Yes it defintely looks cool and I'd honestly prefer it but the search button is nice in some cases each way I'm sure has an advantage. As for me it also boils down to hoping for ICS and exynos. Though I'm getting the phone regardless of what's in it I want the note because of what it does and being somewhat unique.
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Actually many people will care a lot that it doesn't have a physical home button. I won't be getting one because of that (unless they somehow manage to implement LTE without losing the Exynos processor) because it is SOOO much easier to wake the phone with a physical home button than to hunt for the power button on the side, then push the power button and half the time the volume goes up or down since the dumbasses put the volume rocker directly opposite it. I have an app that puts a power-off in the notification menu, btw.
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Actually many people will care a lot that it doesn't have a physical home button. I won't be getting one because of that (unless they somehow manage to implement LTE without losing the Exynos processor) because it is SOOO much easier to wake the phone with a physical home button than to hunt for the power button on the side, then push the power button and half the time the volume goes up or down since the dumbasses put the volume rocker directly opposite it. I have an app that puts a power-off in the notification menu, btw.
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I don't blame you. The design is screwed up with the placement of the power button.
It would be a HUGE mistake. Only people who have used these know. You would not believe how hard it is to used that side button. Not only that, but it's placement makes its IMPOSSIBLE to use without hitting the volume button.
I'm not sure if I can deal with this. Maybe, maybe not. But I can tell you this for sure:
All HELL will break loose if this is the case, after people realize what the issue is. THis forum is going to be crazy with complaints.
But this phone is better than anything if you use the s-pen. I mean, WAY better than anything. It's like a mini Tablet-PC. It's gotta be the coolest and well designed gadget this year...really. If they nix the button it's ATT's fault, and not Samsung's design.
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Actually many people will care a lot that it doesn't have a physical home button. I won't be getting one because of that (unless they somehow manage to implement LTE without losing the Exynos processor) because it is SOOO much easier to wake the phone with a physical home button than to hunt for the power button on the side, then push the power button and half the time the volume goes up or down since the dumbasses put the volume rocker directly opposite it.
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That's an objective design flaw I hadn't considered. Bummer...
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I have an app that puts a power-off in the notification menu, btw.
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You may already know this, but there are apps that allow you to turn off the screen with a long press of a capacitive button.
What is the app that someone has to do a power off from the notification menu. I totally agree that having to power off from the side is a pain and I am always changing the volume.
I bought an international unit as well as the At&t version on contract. Does anyone know if I can swap the screens? I prefer the speed of the international version but the buttons on the US version.
I will be getting a plastic pry tomorrow and going ahead with the procedure. Would people be interested in seeing if it works? I'll include pictures.
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I bought an international unit as well as the At&t version on contract. Does anyone know if I can swap the screens? I prefer the speed of the international version but the buttons on the US version.
I will be getting a plastic pry tomorrow and going ahead with the procedure. Would people be interested in seeing if it works? I'll include pictures.
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What makes u think the screens are different?
Posting pics of the procedure would be very cool, but it isn't likely to work totally smoothly. The I777 and I9100 (AT&T and international GS2 variants) are nearly identical in hardware but devs needed to do some rewiring to make the buttons work from I9100 ROMs on I777. You might want to check out Entropy's hellraiser thread; he can probably give you further advice on how to fix up the key mappings. I'm pretty sure it involves modifications to the kernel though, so be careful.
I'd rather go the other way. I want to put the screen/buttons from my international note into my AT&T Note. That way I get LTE, but I also get the sane button layout with physical home key capable of waking the screen. I'm pretty disappointed with the layout on the AT&T Note. If they must insist on the crappy 4-strip of capacitive buttons, they could've at least put the less used search on the far left, which is the hardest place to reach, leaving home, back, and menu easier to hit one-handed.
I don't think is screen related. The processor in the international version is supposed to be faster, which is what makes it smoother man.
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I don't think is screen related. The processor in the international version is supposed to be faster, which is what makes it smoother man.
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It's probably a bad thread title, but what he means is put the entire front assembly from the I717 on the N7000 so that he has international internals with a four-capacitive-button layout. The display panels should be identical, yes.
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I'd rather go the other way. I want to put the screen/buttons from my international note into my AT&T Note. That way I get LTE, but I also get the sane button layout with physical home key capable of waking the screen. I'm pretty disappointed with the layout on the AT&T Note. If they must insist on the crappy 4-strip of capacitive buttons, they could've at least put the less used search on the far left, which is the hardest place to reach, leaving home, back, and menu easier to hit one-handed.
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Update
Welp, I took both devices apart yesterday and here are the photos.
As one can see the LCD assembly chassis are slightly different between the two versions, thus I was unable to swap the screens. Although I felt if I separated the LCD chassis from the LCD itself I might have succeeded. However this step would have exposed the LCD to particulates, i.e. dust, and would have been a pain to perform without a clean room.
There are some slight differences in the "guts" of the system. Mainly the memory card reader in the International Note (IN) is soldered onto the board vs. the AT&T version which is connected via a cable.
The speaker/usb charger portion also had slight differences which I failed to take an adequate photo of. The ATT version seemed to be adhered to the chassis while the IN could be removed, hence the picture without the speaker.
Both devices have been reassembled and it was fun to compare between the two.
Cheers
Hi,
I have bought a Samsung i777 mobile phone from EEUU (Im from Spain), It has the LCD Broken so I replace it with my i9100 LCD that works (My old i9100 was water damage), everything works fine but.....
The home button of my i9100 LCD doesn't work!!, I have seen that original i777 screen not have a physical home button, so I think this issue could some thing that a ROM or similar can fix.
I need some help with this, If anyone knows how to make the button works I'll be very thankful.
Thanks!
PD: Sorry for my really bad english xD
Yer looking for a way to remap your button keys? There is an app for that. Or I could be misunderstanding what yer asking.
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That could be a solution but first I wanted to know if there are some way for use the home button without remaping :S
Whats the name of the app??
So i9100 LCD in an i777.
i9100 has physical home key.
i777 has 4 capacitive buttons.
i9100 lcd is way different than i777 because of the physical key.
Thats really a long shot man, if at all possible.
Iim sure you can get the two capacitive keys on the i9100 screen working, but the physical key.......
Now everything works well but only the home button
If I flash a i9100 ICS room will work??
sdavidone said:
Now everything works well but only the home button
If I flash a i9100 ICS room will work??
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Did the i9100 LCD have the physical button attached?
If so then basically you have an i777 mobo, in an i9100.
Flashing an i9100 ROM, will actually screw up some things, like the mic will be reversed with the noise canceling one. we have a workaround for this.
But basically you need a ported i9100 ROM, minus the button remaping.
You could do that yourself, somewhere around these forums is a guide/post for info on remaping the keys.
Yes it has the home button attached
So...
I need to use a i9100 room ported to i777, and work around the button remaping to get the home button working?
Thanks!
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Yes it has the home button attached
So...
I need to use a i9100 room ported to i777, and work around the button remaping to get the home button working?
Thanks!
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exactly. undo the remaping of the key's, should be the only thing you have to undo.
Some help doing the remapping? I have searched but not found nothing clear :S
sdavidone said:
Some help doing the remapping? I have searched but not found nothing clear :S
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Yea its something that has gotten lost since we no longer have to use it everyday to flash i9100 ROM's like we did in the past.
keep searching around, and I'll do the same.
ill give u a file with the remapping but what ive been thinking about is doesnt the home button need a special connection in the original phone that isnt available in the i777? like some connection to the hardware?
im not an expert but for the button remapping i can help u.
ur only solution in my opinion would be to flash an i9100 rom and flash one of our kernels. and maybe it will work. otherwise theres nothing in button remapping for the physical buttons. as this is all in the i9100 mappings:
key 158 BACK WAKE
key 139 MENU WAKE
key 115 VOLUME_UP WAKE
key 114 VOLUME_DOWN WAKE
key 102 HOME WAKE
key 107 ENDCALL
key 105 DPAD_LEFT
key 106 DPAD_RIGHT
key 103 DPAD_UP
key 108 DPAD_DOWN
key 232 DPAD_CENTER
key 116 POWER WAKE
key 212 CAMERA WAKE
Thanks for help everyone !
Now I'll try flashing i9100 rom, I have notice that there is a conector in the middle frame from i9100 that i777 doesnt have but I get succes changing also the middle frame from my old i9100 to i777, now I have notice that I can get the download mode by pressing vol. down + home (physical) button + Power, so this mean that home button is recognized and working right??
Some advice with the room to install?? we are closer to get it! Thanks guys!
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Thanks for help everyone !
Now I'll try flashing i9100 rom, I have notice that there is a conector in the middle frame from i9100 that i777 doesnt have but I get succes changing also the middle frame from my old i9100 to i777, now I have notice that I can get the download mode by pressing vol. down + home (physical) button + Power, so this mean that home button is recognized and working right??
Some advice with the room to install?? we are closer to get it! Thanks guys!
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Not necessarily on this phone holding the home button isn't necessary.
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Well....
I have the stock ROM from samsung Europe (for the i9100): i9100XXLPS
Now everything works well but no the home button
When I turn on the mobile, it shows samsung galaxy i9100, so now I think it's mostly an i9100 phone LOL
Someone that help me with the remapping to make the home button work? I dont know how to do it
Well....
I have the stock ROM from samsung Europe (for the i9100): i9100XXLPS
Now everything works well but no the home button
When I turn on the mobile, it shows samsung galaxy i9100, so now I think it's mostly an i9100 phone LOL
Someone that help me with the remapping to make the home button work? I dont know how to do it
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Remapping can only be done with touch buttons.the only thing i can do for u is sacrafice ur back key and make it home. But other than that i cant help u. U cant remap a physical button as far as i can see and i feel yours isnt connected or reading
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
Um since when do the I9100 and the I777 have the same screen? Isn't there a HUGE button in the middle of the bottom portion of the screen on the i9100? WTF is the guy even saying?
ChefAnt said:
Um since when do the I9100 and the I777 have the same screen? Isn't there a HUGE button in the middle of the bottom portion of the screen on the i9100? WTF is the guy even saying?
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Ur terribly misinformed of whats going on lemme update u
1 he water damaged i9100
2 bought i777
3 i777 had cracked screen
4 replaced i777 screen with i9100
5. Middle button wont work.
im on my phone. expect terrible typos.
Any idea?,
I have looking for some special connection from i9100 motherboard to i777 and I not find anyone, so what's not working?
Nice Topic, i like it, by this we can alternate so many LCDs with Junk Varients
Anyhow, in my opinion why should not test HOME Key button physically? Because it was Water Damaged, Might be possible HOME key also damaged
Batter to check and post results
Good Luck!
Note: - Because SGS2 already flashed by i9100 Official ROM so i should be work well.
moonmoon8 said:
Nice Topic, i like it, by this we can alternate so many LCDs with Junk Varients
Anyhow, in my opinion why should not test HOME Key button physically? Because it was Water Damaged, Might be possible HOME key also damaged
Batter to check and post results
Good Luck!
Note: - Because SGS2 already flashed by i9100 Official ROM so i should be work well.
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Don't necro posts for crap like this.
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I do some side Android App developing and so much time with AOSP that it is very difficult for me to go from my Galaxy Nexus (with the appropriate menu/button configuration) and taking a step back to the Note II (which I have not done yet) in this one area. I think it may just be a serious case of OCD? I don't know.
How do you guys feel about this? I -assume- most came from a device that already had the old hardware menu button. So it's probably not a big deal.... just curious.
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I do some side Android App developing and so much time with AOSP that it is very difficult for me to go from my Galaxy Nexus (with the appropriate menu/button configuration) and taking a step back to the Note II (which I have not done yet) in this one area. I think it may just be a serious case of OCD? I don't know.
How do you guys feel about this? I -assume- most came from a device that already had the old hardware menu button. So it's probably not a big deal.... just curious.
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I came from quite a few previous phones with a Hardware Menu/Settings button. Then I went to the DNA which is like the Gnex and doesn't have that button. I couldn't stand not having the actual button. So I'm sure it'll be the same way for you off the bat. However I do know that you can turn on the nav bar on the GNII. So you might be able to turn that on a rock it that way. It's a great phone. Don't let the menu button discourage ya.