Hi you guys,
I've just switched from iphone 4 to EVO 3D and I love this phone. The only thing that dragged me down is that why GPS on android phones in general lock up with satelites soooo much slower than on APPLE's devices (Iphone, Ipad). For example, I live in Vietnam, it takes me about 10-15s to get my exact location on my Iphone 4, but on the EVO 3D, having tried all the GPS patches available, I could not get my location quickly (even impossible sometimes, all I get is the location giving by cellular signal which is not reliable).
Then, I realized that the problem is Apple's devices have there own NTP server. Which has plenty of satelites information which I'm pretty sure Apple somehow have made these info their property.
Okay. Get back to the main point. All you do is to follow these simple steps and make sure your phone is rooted.
1. Use Root Browser or some app that can edit system content to navigate to system/etc/ and find the file gps.conf, make backup and edit it.
2. Find the line NTP_SERVER="what ever it is", if you have multiple lines like that, delete them, we just need one line.
3. Edit the content of that line into NTP_SERVER=time.apple.com
4. Save the file.
Or you can use the gps.conf file I included here instead (just move or rename your gps.conf file and replace it by this one.
There you go, have fun with Apple's blessing on our Android devices.
Hacre said:
Lmao what the hell
Guys delete all NTP but one NTP entries cos if that one goes down you don't need GPS anyway am I right or what guys? Guys?
NTP servers don't contain GPS data you penis. Chances are you have a lousy/no connection to the default NTP servers it has nothing to do with Apple.
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I test this and I instantly get 7 satelites locked within 5s. With the ntp.org servers, I get 2 satelite locked after 5 mins. I wouldn't hurt to try, there's still people out there crying for this problems. If you dont have this prob, go away.
Besides, the stock gps.conf has only ONE NTP_SERVER line, mate.
nudawa said:
I test this and I instantly get 7 satelites locked within 5s. With the ntp.org servers, I get 2 satelite locked after 5 mins. I wouldn't hurt to try, there's still people out there crying for this problems. If you dont have this prob, go away.
Besides, the stock gps.conf has only ONE NTP_SERVER line, mate.
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Sorry dude...come out of the cloud.
I think what you have is so called "placebo effect".
Give the guy a break guys, hes trying to help.
NTP = Network Time Protocol - I doubt this would have anything to do with GPS but in theory it could do if it matches the time on the server with the GPS pushed time. Ive no idea.
Id personally never infect a HTC with anything Apple, but if it works for the OP then fair enough.
FYI : time-a.nist.gov < is the server I always use for anything NTP.
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You're an idiot.
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The best argument ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't really know why u sayin this while my EVO 3D can look at 13 satellites in less than 5sec if u doubt it I will post u a video of how fast is if I even tried with the iPhone 4s and I beat it !
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sallam5010 said:
I don't really know why u sayin this while my EVO 3D can look at 13 satellites in less than 5sec if u doubt it I will post u a video of how fast is if I even tried with the iPhone 4s and I beat it !
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D X515m using XDA App
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I dont know, but in Southeast Asia, it really sucks. No matter how I try to fix that until this solution, it works like a charm!
why dont use "faster fix" and set your region
it helps too
i think and am not sure u having bad reception maybe the gps satellites in ur place are kinda far !!!!loool
anyways and the sooo end it works for u fast now doesnnt matter u change the file to apple or samsung or even nokia ..lol
thanks for ur effort to help
You call this a fix? Use Crypted's AGPS patch which actually DOES FIX AGPS issues...I get 3 second locks with 12 sats...Asia has **** GPS reception, that's not an issue with Android or any Android device. Nevertheless people based in Asia have confirmed Crypted's AGPS patch works great!
Anything to do with Apple is not welcome here...and neither are Apple fanboys
Hacre said:
Lmao what the hell
Guys delete all NTP but one NTP entries cos if that one goes down you don't need GPS anyway am I right or what guys? Guys?
NTP servers don't contain GPS data you penis. Chances are you have a lousy/no connection to the default NTP servers it has nothing to do with Apple.
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You're an idiot.
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I can see that you are carrying the Recognized Developer title and i believe that you have the expertise in developing androids.
Have you done some research of this mod? what the good and the bad effects for doing this? will it cause any damage to our device?
I just tried this mod, and viola i lock my gps for 5 - 10 s.
I live in Jakarta , Indonesia. its look like works for me.
To OP : thx for your information
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I can see that you are carrying the Recognized Developer title and i believe that you have the expertise in developing androids.
Have you done some research of this mod? what the good and the bad effects for doing this? will it cause any damage to our device?
I just tried this mod, and viola i lock my gps for 5 - 10 s.
I live in Jakarta , Indonesia. its look like works for me.
To OP : thx for your information
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He's like that cus he thinks he knows better, but this really works, and NTP server DO carry satelite informations. It knows at a particular time zones and a particular time, which GPS-capable satelites are available. Having tried Crypted's patch and it is not very effective here in SE Asia.
outrage_uk said:
Give the guy a break guys, hes trying to help.
NTP = Network Time Protocol - I doubt this would have anything to do with GPS but in theory it could do if it matches the time on the server with the GPS pushed time. Ive no idea.
Id personally never infect a HTC with anything Apple, but if it works for the OP then fair enough.
FYI : time-a.nist.gov < is the server I always use for anything NTP.
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This actually works! tried both time.apple.com and time-a.nist.gov.. although time-a.nist.gov seems to get a faster fix and a more consistent one.
Well good for you, then maybe you should have the thread renamed to FOR ASIA users with **** GPS reception then because Crypted's patch works fine for everyone else so nothings wrong with it.
It's also more sophisticated and it keeps the connection locked on constantly and never disconnects and is also accurate within 10m. A simple NTP server change doesn't do **** in the long run, especially when you only have one NTP server instead of a large pool of them so you're relying on that one server not to go down or become unreachable! Where's the SUPLROOTCERT? Where are the XTRA servers?
My beef is with claiming that Apple's ntp servers are something magical and special and carry GPS information. They don't. It's there purely for accurate time syncing. If ntp.org's servers aren't great in Asia then changing to something more reliable is indeed the way to go, but as someone pointed out, the nist servers also work.
harpss1ngh said:
Well good for you, then maybe you should have the thread renamed to FOR ASIA users with **** GPS reception then because Crypted's patch works fine for everyone else so nothings wrong with it.
It's also more sophisticated and it keeps the connection locked on constantly and never disconnects and is also accurate within 10m. A simple NTP server change doesn't do **** in the long run, especially when you only have one NTP server instead of a large pool of them so you're relying on that one server not to go down or become unreachable! Where's the SUPLROOTCERT? Where are the XTRA servers?
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I'm using Crypted's patch fyi.. yes it helped improve my GPS satellite reception but I just can't seem to get an instant fix. I can connect from 8 to 10 satellites but getting a fix takes forever.. Then I used time-a.nist.gov, tested it on the same environment and it took less than 5 sec to get a fix.
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My beef is with claiming that Apple's ntp servers are something magical and special and carry GPS information. They don't. It's there purely for accurate time syncing. If ntp.org's servers aren't great in Asia then changing to something more reliable is indeed the way to go, but as someone pointed out, the nist servers also work.
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Exactly. Mentioning Apple as a solution to an Android issue is just asking for trouble in an Android forum. This is not a place for Apple fanboys or anything claiming to be a solution from Apple.
Either their phones date/time is wrong or those Asian NTP servers are out of sync.
The fasterfix app does a better job than this so called mod and requires no manual editing of the gps.conf. This thread however is a non-fix.
Everyone in Europe and the West, use Crypted's patch since we have decent NTP servers and don't experience this problem and get much better performance.
The OP needs to edit his post and title and specify this is for Asian users only.
Two progs, clock sync (not sure why this works but it does)
Faster fix, set it to your region, job done.
I get a fix as soon as i switch Co-pilot on. Won't work in doors of course but 6 satellites straight away outdoors.
GPS depends on quite a few variables so it's not an exact science, a fix from one person might not work for someone else, let me explain.
The Radio, your location, your phone, the weather, interference from other electronic sources, your rom, the program your using to navigate with, and the state of the GPS chip in your phone.
Most of these are different on each of our phones so take that into account when deciding on telling people about a possible fix.
9 / 10 using faster fix will work, i always use clocksync with it and it just always works, the Hero, Desire HD, the Sensation and now the EVO 3D all worked the same way.
PS: I've seen apple products have just as many issues as android devices, maybe i've just been lucky but i don't think that's the case.
Plus iphones are ****, i'd rather have an old nokia 3210 instead of any apple product, they're a bunch of snooping money grabbing f**kers, i wouldn't part with a penny.
Hacre said:
Lmao what the hell
Guys delete all NTP but one NTP entries cos if that one goes down you don't need GPS anyway am I right or what guys? Guys?
NTP servers don't contain GPS data you penis. Chances are you have a lousy/no connection to the default NTP servers it has nothing to do with Apple.
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harsh dude... calm down.
I really dont understand why there are so many plls here claiming me to be a Apple fanboi. I've used iphone 3gs and then 4 and then I realized that there not much things left in IOS for me to explore, then I switched to Galaxy Tab 10.1 and Evo 3D cus I was so excited to know new things. I say the GPS is slower cus I ACTUALLY experienced that and GOOGLE has results about that and I thought that theres many people like me.
And from what I know about iOS. I tried to figure out what is the point here, what makes yhe differences and I have finally found one solution that actually works for me. I was so eager to help people like me to solve this problem so I post it here and hope that it can help peoples.
I'm not any company's fanboi. I a high-tech gadget and technology's fanboi. So as long as I could experience new things, I'm glad weather it is good, or just a piece of ****.
Do you guys think that you all an enjoyed a more and more polished Android without the competition and preasure that iOS has put into the market? Or vise-versa?
It is not peoples like me to be an idiot. It is peoples like you that prevent our kind to go advanced and innovative.
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Hello e3d general, I dont usually post over here but am looking for a poll from everyone. My question is, were you aware of the following services running on your phone before the news in the past weeks?
**PICTURE UPDATED*** 9/8 - adding in /system/bin/debuggered to tell htc, adding locations to show how logging cannot be shut off
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From what we have found so far It appears we have all agreed to these services:
Cannot be disabled without root/lots of dev work
HTC checkin - Recovery logs, kernel logs, apps used and how apps are used, mobile data usage to HTC. Seems unrelated to Tell HTC (i had this "opted out", and verified checkin was still running by getting a 200 in checkin.db/firstTimeCheckinSuccess file)
CIQ - Looks like its possible to log everything about phone, battery events, kernel messages, GPS location, data usage, media usage, MEID, etc. Most likely goes to sprint.
Google Checkin- Kernel logs/crashes/etc sent out to google
Have a user accessible/on off: (BUT STILL RUN IF YOU CHOOSE OFF)
Tell HTC - sends app crash events to HTC
HTCLoggers - polls battery events even though logging is disabled in hidden ui
For all the geeky details, you can read my post in Dev here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1247108
My problem is having 0 details on any of these. If they need to log and that is their policy, FINE, just dont stick it 5 menus deep. I have used HTC phones forever and was not aware of this until i stumbled on it. The answer they gave to XDA news made it sound like we could opt out of anything, but that is not the case. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htcs-statement-regarding-ciq-data-collection/
"HTC is committed to protecting your privacy and that means a commitment to clear opt-in/opt-out as the standard for collecting any information we need to serve you better."
If this is the case, where are all the off switches for these services? I have already shown a few times there are no way to stop this logging from happening. The only things
-Tell HTC SORT OF disables, even if you "opt out" you still get bugged. Logs are still wasting disk space/ io/resources. Service is in ramdisk
- Htc Loggers from hidden menu ui shows everything off, but logcat says otherwise. Service is running in ramdisk collecting logs anyway it cant be stopped.
The only way to know about them is by going to menu -> settings -> about phone -> legal info -> htc legal
Under section 2->A You can see clearly they collect "unique identification numbers", usage statistics, it "may" send Cell ID/GPS.
If HTC is reading this, if we can truly opt out I want to COMPLETELY disable these services from using my CPU/Memory/IO WITHOUT needing root:
-CIQ
-HTC Checkin
-Google Checkin
-HTCLoggers
-Tell HTC (COMPLETLY, dont keep asking to send even though i say NO)
-Dropbox / UserbehaviorLogging / HTC Usage Stats / UsageStats Dependant Services
No I wasn't, and it offends my sensibilities to no end. I am very appreciative of your research in this area. I am interested to see the path this takes. I have been using HTC devices almost exclusively for about five years, and this type of encroachment without prior consent from the user is crossing a line. Question is, is that line a legal line? It is a moral line for sure.
Thanks for all the time you are spending on this.
I was not aware of logging until reading your thread in Dev. Never would have had a clue. Thanks for all your work on this and hopefully we will see a clear opt in/opt out option someday.
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Yes, I work with syslogs on a daily basis, so I wasn't too terribly concerned. However, your research into the extent to which the logging is done goes way beyond my worst nightmares.
I feel like a network admin who isn't trusted by my employer and being secretly spied upon by an outside watchdog.
I agree… there needs to be an option to really disable it completely.
I will say that I do believe this is how they are able to fix bugs and other software problems so quickly. Otherwise we would have no software support from their end.
For me, I would personally like to have the option to disable it entirely and let the average unrooted comsumer soccer mom be their little data guinea pig.
Just my two cents, I agree with you entirely.
And they wonder why there's people like us who install ROMs completely different than what they provide. Burns me up seeing crap like this.
never knew that til this thread. thanks
TrevE said:
Hello e3d general, I dont usually post over here but am looking for a poll from everyone. My question is, were you aware of the following services running on your phone before the news in the past weeks?
From what we have found so far It appears we have all agreed to these services:
Cannot be disabled without root/lots of dev work
HTC checkin - Recovery logs, kernel logs, apps used and how apps are used, mobile data usage to HTC. Seems unrelated to Tell HTC (i had this disabled, and verified checkin was still running)
CIQ - Looks like its possible to log everything about phone, battery events, kernel messages, GPS location, data usage, media usage, MEID, etc. Most likely goes to sprint.
Google Checkin- Kernel logs/crashes/etc sent out to google
Have a user accessible/on off:
Tell HTC - sends app crash events to HTC
HTCLoggers - polls battery events even though logging is disabled in hidden ui
For all the geeky details, you can read my post in Dev here - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1247108
My problem is having 0 details on any of these. If they need to log and that is their policy, FINE, just dont stick it 5 menus deep. I have used HTC phones forever and was not aware of this until i stumbled on it. The answer they gave to XDA news made it sound like we could opt out of anything, but that is not the case. http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htcs-statement-regarding-ciq-data-collection/
"HTC is committed to protecting your privacy and that means a commitment to clear opt-in/opt-out as the standard for collecting any information we need to serve you better."
If this is the case, where are all the off switches for these services? I have already shown a few times there are none except for Tell HTC/ POSSIBLY Htc Loggers.
The only way to know about them is by going to menu -> settings -> about phone -> legal info -> htc legal
Under section 2->A You can see clearly they collect "unique identification numbers", usage statistics, it "may" send Cell ID/GPS.
If HTC is reading this, if we can truly opt out I want to COMPLETELY disable these services from using my CPU/Memory/IO WITHOUT needing root:
-CIQ
-HTC Checkin
-Google Checkin
-HTCLoggers
-Tell HTC (COMPLETLY, dont keep asking to send even though i say NO)
-Dropbox / UserbehaviorLogging / HTC Usage Stats / UsageStats Dependant Services
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i didnt know about any logging until i saw your research and pulled logs off of my own phone
THANKS TREVOR!!
not the slightest clue. . .
Yes, the CIQ crap was discussed when the Evo came out and it was discussed in the Evo Shift forums for awhile.
Earliest thread discussing the IQFD process was Aug 2010 but no real action was taken.
So knowing it was on the previous ones, I'd already assumed it was on the 3d.
I am not surprised that there is logging. In fact I would be shocked if there weren't. Also, if that chart is 100% accurate some of those I actually am fine with (Google Checkin and HTCfeedback.apk specifically), but when I heard about cIQ I was incensed...to hear about all of this going on is absolutely fncking unfuriating.
Scummy. Truly. The new e-economy is obviously based on tracking you and your habits. The collecting of this data isn't the evil part but what is likely happening with it afterwards....and there is absolutely no transparency about this process even occurring. It would take a Judgement Day level act of God to reveal what they would like to do with this information...your information.
Well, as much as I hate this kind of hidden intrusion into our personal lives, I must say that its not surprising that this happens, and, frankly, all of our "online" behavior is probably tracked by someone, no matter what they "disclose" in advance..
Remember, we live in the post 9/11 era, and, it seems like being watched in some way shape or form is much more commonplace and "justifiable" than it was 10-20 years ago..
Sad state of affairs....
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Well, as much as I hate this kind of hidden intrusion into our personal lives, I must say that its not surprising that this happens, and, frankly, all of our "online" behavior is probably tracked by someone, no matter what they "disclose" in advance..
Remember, we live in the post 9/11 era, and, it seems like being watched in some way shape or form is much more commonplace and "justifiable" than it was 10-20 years ago..
Sad state of affairs....
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It was happening already and it was going to happen more. That load of horse-**** about "living in a post 9/11 world" is just a very convenient weapon to wield. It is sickening that it works so effectively on people. Appeal to their emotions. You might as well, their intellect is broken anyway.
...color me jaded, we're in the minority bro...
Yea I had no clue until I read your thread.
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It was happening already and it was going to happen more. That load of horse-**** about "living in a post 9/11 world" is just a very convenient weapon to wield. It is sickening that it works so effectively on people. Appeal to their emotions. You might as well, their intellect is broken anyway.
...color me jaded, we're in the minority bro...
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agree completely, bro..kinda ironic this stuff is coming to light right now though..
You know, it would be one thing if we could opt-out, and that would put an end to the services. But HTC themselves stated," if you opt-out, we will protect your data by encrypting it (something close to that). What that tells me is that even if we opt-out, they will still collect our data. So what good is an OFF switch if their still going to collect our data? I want it to be like if we opt-out, the services no longer run! I'm NOT okay with my data being collected. As it stands right now, they collect it whether we like it (opt-in opt-out) or not!
My vote stands by Trev!!
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I was not aware and thank you. I remember on the synergy thread about calculator had it also..wtf!! My next question is why do they need this level of detail? Raises my blood pressure just thinking about it. Thank you again.
From what ive seen so far, the people who DID know about logging, knew about it from a source outside of HTC. We are a pretty technical savvy group here and still alot didnt even know. I hope HTC will make it clear to us with a real on/off switch, give us details / show us data that comes from this, but thats never going to happen
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I was not aware and thank you. I remember on the synergy thread about calculator had it also..wtf!! My next question is why do they need this level of detail? Raises my blood pressure just thinking about it. Thank you again.
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Every single bit of information they can collect on you (anonymous or not) is valuable to a company for a number of reasons. On the technical side troubleshooting and debugging. UI design likely as well. For marketing it's helpful to know what apps you love and what apps you avoid. When you use certain apps, how long you use apps...all of that is very valuable to them for their future attempts at separating you from your money.
...and then if there is non-anonymized data the value of said data skyrockets. Sure, if it is anonymous they can still tie it together with a few details and figure out who you are...but with an actual name voluntarily attached to the data it is now insanely valuable. Location data. They can tell when you are at the store, sell that data to other companies and aggregate that data. You use your debit card at the store, your bank sells that data and it gets aggregated with the other data. Use your grocery store value-card? They sell your data. Now there is a profile out there that details what you buy, at what location, the route you travel to get there, how you pay, any apps you used in the process, calls you've taken. This is a very valuable bit of marketing data...and it is also a shocking assault on your privacy.
I'm not a tin-foil hatter. This is happening. Already. Right now. On your phone, on your computer, on facebook, on google, probably even on XDA. The "like button" follows you around the internet, clicks are logged, how much time you spend on a page is logged, where you go on the internet, when, for how long, what you spend, where you get gas, the kind of car you drive, how often you get oil changes, the kind of porn you prefer, etc etc etc etc etc.
It's all out there. Already. Has been for years. Google has been very good in this regard. Facebook sells your information to advertisers...Google only sells your eyes. But Google+ demands real names...GoogleWallet is another scary proposition.
Am I being paranoid? No. This is all documented fact. Does this mean the end of the world? Mostly no, it's for harmless marketing. Does this mean it is totally harmless? Absolutely not, just wait for all of this data to fall into the wrong hands and you decide that for yourself...if you think drug tests and credit/background checks are ridiculous for getting employment, insurance, housing or credit just wait until every word you've ever said online, every product you've ever purchased, every website you've ever visited and every type of porn you've ever cranked one off to becomes a part of that....and then one day your medical history will inevitably become linked and then some true evil is let out of the bag...some things in your life should never know about other things in your life, especially your bank, insurance company, medical insurer and employer....there just aren't enough checks-and-balances remaining to keep things from being unfair if we hit that point.
I'm back! And thanks for your diligence on this stuff Trevor. I know you've worked tirelessly on this. Your efforts are outstanding.
I for one will NEVER purchase another HTC device simply because of this nonsense. who does HTC think they are? Apple? lol
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Remember the ad for the Touchpad? The one that uses "Works like nothing else" ?
As I'm sure you've probably already heard, Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:26 PM, Apple sent out an email ad that directly uses Hp's classic ad slogan.
What kind of marketing strategy is this supposed to be?
HP Using the Slogan
http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad.html
Apple Using the Same Slogan
http://images.apple.com/dm/us/11/4831/i/ttl.gif
Apple tends to steal things straight like this all the time, one of many reasons I hate the company. Remember what Jobs said: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
HP won't be needing it anymore
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
yareally said:
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
ah but there is a subtle distinction, HP's is WORK and Apple is everything. Probably enough of a difference to get by a court.
Well, I guess if that's how you dig up dirt on the competition, then I'm all for it...
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
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That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
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First, when HP made this ad the Touchpad was the same price as the iPad . . . I have preware, installed the first day I had the Touchpad, first thing I did with it after initial setup. I have done all due diligence to get this thing functional, and its not. The patch you speak of is not a fix. Its not a solution. Its exactly what you call it, a patch, over a gaping wound in the OS. Having to tap an icon to have it run the simple command line "stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio" is not a fix. Its a ridiculous workaround that should never have had to exist in the first place. One thing I have found though is that users of WebOS are some of the largest apologists for GAPING bugs I have ever met, especially over on precentral. Reminds me of Windows Mobile days. Here is evidence that I knew about this patch before your kind of snotty reply: http://forums.precentral.net/3164593-post194.html
Don't worry, the Touchpad IS for me. WebOS is what's not for me. It stinks in its current form, which is sad because of how much potential it has.
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nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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What are you even talking about? Tell me how to stop WebOS from losing sound, not how to restart it which I already knew using the Xterm method and which I already read about the patch over on precentral earlier today. Tell me how to get a semi functional browser which isn't ridiculously slow on WebOS. Not asking for anything to be handed to me. I am not the normal complainer who can't do 5 minutes of research. I have spent hours since I got this thing trying to fix bugs until I gave up and chose to wait for Android to be ported.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, my initial comment in this thread was a JOKE, which both of you took seriously. Remember what a joke is?
Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
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I suggest making it more obvious you're joking next time, lol. This is the internet after all.
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Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
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They assume that everything was invented first by Apple. I told my friend about the new iOS notifications system on iOS 5 and how they, pretty much, stole it from android and his response was: "yea but look at how many things android has stolen." Talk about ignorance.
nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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That makes no sense as a rebuttle
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It was a rather big stretch to tie in one's political viewpoint and observations with a posting on Apple stealing, lol.
You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
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Read the article.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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Well that obviously depends on your usage - I rarely get crashes or FCs.
iOS doesn't pop up an error message, so you notice it less
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Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
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iOS is written so that no error message is given when something crashes. This is pure dishonesty in my book. To regular people like yourself, no error message means everything is OK.
The following article explained how they came to the conclusion.
http://www.redmondpie.com/study-reveals-that-ios-apps-crash-more-frequently-than-android/
It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
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It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
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It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
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It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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Actually there has been malware on ios market despite its review process. And you don't need av on android if you use market, av can't stop a malware app before it gets on your phone so they are not much use.
Dave
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alex2792 said:
Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
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iOS and Macs both get malware and virus's despite people saying they're immune or they don't get any. Neither Android nor iOS has any real issue with malware, but Android offers more "virus checking" apps and other similar apps than iOS for sure.
I think it's pretty lame on Apple's part to not display the error messages, pretty much tricking users into thinking everything is ok and it was just a random glitch and not an actual app crash.
Apple does censor in the respect that they do not approve many apps if they do not fit in with their guidelines, which are tough, and for some certain types of apps it makes it impossible to publish even if they're amazing and useful apps.
And yea I can see why many app developers would go to iOS before android.
Because you code 1 thing and it gets pushed out to the most people. Android you have to code 1 thing, then code it again for every device with different hardware or version of the OS.
I'm actually surprised, it would seem Android would have more FCs caused by poorly developed apps or compatibility errors that allow a program to be installed on a non-compatibile device. Not that this is common, but it usually happens with new games. iOS developers can easily test every compatible device, but it would be nearly impossible for Android devs to do the same.
The whole Android virus thing has been blown way out of proportion. Common sense is always the best A/V. Most people get these viruses from downloading warez or risky looking apps in the market. But Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
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Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
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Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
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In my use I would say this is even. Ios used to crash less but ios 5 has been a total disaster in my opinion, and crashes and lags have increased dramatically ( company phone, i would never pay for a ios device again). They totally try to hide the crashes by not giving you notice.
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ios just for iphone,with same hardware,so all apps in their store are really compatible,but android isnt just for one devices,it is in many different devices from different company with different hardware,so not easy to tell the compatibility..
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mistermentality said:
Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
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It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
spunker88 said:
It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
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Thanks. That's a very interesting read
Dave
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I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
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I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
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no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
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no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
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So you prefer a phone that needs to have its warranty voided instead of something that works? You must have a lot of free time on your hands since most normal people would rather not waste hours making their phone functional. I don't have a problem with tweaking the phone to improve performance or personalize it if that's your thing, but it shouldn't be a requirement to make the phone work.
so go back to your shoe box. or, do better research on the device you are buying before you pcik it up. The captivate issues were well known and any small degree of research would of led you to that. And none of the issues were software related they were hardware.
I find it hard to believe that you would come to a development forum and be confused that people who frequent it mod their phones and void their waranties.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57373634-94/putting-the-transformer-prime-in-perspective/
In other words, it's not an issue with the device. Asus thinks it's fine. So it must be an issue with its owners. While he has a "manager" title, Gary must be further up the food chain than it would seem if he's granting interviews to national publications; especially with litigation pending.
No mentioning of bleeding, dead pixels, bright spots
"CNET: You say "the normal user [Wi-Fi] experience" is not adversely impacted by the unibody design. How exactly do you define the "normal user experience"?
GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most."
In the end, Asus is happy with Prime's WIFI performance. So, if you travel as often as I do for work... goodluck being happy with your Prime's WIFI performance.
"But what about GPS? GPS on a tablet is obviously important to certain individuals, but since less than one percent have returned their Primes because of GPS problems, it must either prove, as the evidence supports, that the problem isn't that widespread or that most people just don't care.l"
I agree, most don't care about GPS. I doubt it made much difference in sales either...
However, the #s are skewed considering it didn't factor those who lost all trust in Asus, or simply are scared of RMA. This also ignores "returns" to retail vendors....
"We took the only step possible in this case and removed GPS from the official specifications shortly after the unit went on sale. We apologized for this inconvenience and offered to assist users who wanted to return the unit after the announcement.
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I haven't called their customer service in a while.. but.. does this mean they are now offering FULL refund (including shipping)?? And if so, since when did they start this program??
Ill commend you on this one. I ran out of thanks. Confirmed interview on Cnet. Great interview of Gary Key. He told it like it is. Plus more official confirmation that less than 1% of primes. Plus o want to rub this in Shinzz face. As proof its said firmwares will continue to come out to improve GPS although removed from spec. Overall a great interview on the Prime. We have official numbers from an official tech site. Prime is a success so far. The demand greatly exceeded their expectations and majority of users happy with it. Just like the polls here showed. No disputing anything now. Gary addressed the issues in interview. Then he also gave hard number statistics on return rate for each issue and overall.
SO PRIME IS ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW. Great news to hear. Glad op linked this thread. Issues people experienced here in xda no where near as extensive as people thought...lmfao. take that Barry..lmfao. I love it.
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In other words, it's not an issue with the device. Asus thinks it's fine. So it must be an issue with its owners. While he has a "manager" title, Gary must be further up the food chain than it would seem if he's granting interviews to national publications; especially with litigation pending.
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Hahahahahahaha....lmfao whatcha got to say now buddy...like i said before, the numbers don't lie. Less than 1% failure/return rate and issues are not widespread at all. At least they are addressing the issues.
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Ill commend you on this one. I ran out of thanks. Confirmed interview on Cnet. Great interview of Gary Key. He told it like it is. Plus more official confirmation that less than 1% of primes. Plus o want to rub this in Shinzz face. As proof its said firmwares will continue to come out to improve GPS although removed from spec. Overall a great interview on the Prime. We have official numbers from an official tech site. Prime is a success so far. The demand greatly exceeded their expectations and majority of users happy with it. Just like the polls here showed. No disputing anything now. Gary addressed the issues in interview. Then he also gave hard number statistics on return rate for each issue and overall.
SO PRIME IS ACTUALLY DOING VERY WELL RIGHT NOW. Great news to hear. Glad op linked this thread. Issues people experienced here in xda no where near as extensive as people thought...lmfao. take that Barry..lmfao. I love it.
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"Even with the removal of GPS from the feature specifications, we are still working on aGPS optimizations with firmware updates that allow automatic downloading of LTO (Long Term Orbits) information. This can improve GPS lock speed and allow a certain level of functionality from the unit."
aGPS... not as GPS. I really don't care about aGPS. So.. NO.. you aren't seeing GPS firmware update.. but aGPS updates.
I will make sure to bookmark this link..expect me to be bringing it up in any and all debates doubting the Prime. Numbers are numbers. No one here is a statistics genius to doubt these numbers. Like I said before, xda is a grain of sand compared to world wide sales. Plus polls here easily reflect Gary statements.
HATE TO SAY IT BUT......I TOLD YA SO
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"Even with the removal of GPS from the feature specifications, we are still working on aGPS optimizations with firmware updates that allow automatic downloading of LTO (Long Term Orbits) information. This can improve GPS lock speed and allow a certain level of functionality from the unit."
aGPS... not as GPS. I really don't care about aGPS. So.. NO.. you aren't seeing GPS firmware update.. but aGPS updates.
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Agps, GPS. Tomato tomatoes...whatever...GPS updates..lol
ALSO BARRY, the source was more relevant n important than you thought straight from the horses mouth I tell ya...lmfao
demandarin said:
I will make sure to bookmark this link..expect me to be bringing it up in any and all debates doubting the Prime. Numbers are numbers. No one here is a statistics genius to doubt these numbers. Like I said before, xda is a grain of sand compared to world wide sales. Plus polls here easily reflect Gary statements.
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Agps, GPS. Tomato tomatoes...whatever...GPS updates..lol
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No, it isn't Tomato tomatoes. There's a big difference in aGPS and GPS. Asus launched and advertised PRIME as GPS that's able to navigate.
Also, when Asus releases (if they do) #s with "returns" to retail vendors (because many.. if they were in their return window.. would opt to return to retail vendor instead of RMA) & the overall sale figure... I'll give them more credit.
Also, here's a brief explanation of LTO: http://www.broadcom.com/collateral/tb/LTO-TB100-R.pdf
Basically.. Asus is offering FIRMWARE update to tinker with GPSconfig (that we were able to do in HC & before the patch that basically turned GPS into aGPS).. all you need to do is go online, and collect the data every other day.
Shoot, that article is way too much kool-aide for demandarin to handle, slow down man....you got the whole weekend ahead of you.
Thanks for the link. Nice read.
Quotes from Gary..
We discovered that due to the all-aluminum unibody design structure, the GPS performance was not satisfactory for all users, especially those wanting to use the device as a true GPS and not in aGPS mode. We took the only step possible in this case and removed GPS from the official specifications shortly after the unit went on sale. We apologized for this inconvenience and offered to assist users who wanted to return the unit after the announcement.
Basically saying GPS will never function as a "true GPS" because of its aluminum backplate" All the more reason to MOD it. I have and now it works 100%. Others that do not want to MOD will be SOL.
"The second area of concern with users is the performance of the unit with Wi-Fi and BT enabled at the same time. For a very small minority of users, this combination resulted in signal dropouts or severely degraded wireless performance. We are still investigating the root cause of this problem with returned units, but it appears to be a random manufacturing process issue with properly attaching an antenna"
Hmmmm. This gets me thinking. My prime is moded and i have the antenna running out of the tablet and I still have the Bluetooth/WIFI fallout issue. I thought Broadcom chipset uses same antenna for Wifi / BT. Seems like he is saying this is a hardware issue that is fixed by properly attaching an antenna. Interesting.... My antenna is external and I still have problem.
I love my prime and besides the GPS I have NEVER had an issue. Guess I'm just a fan boy.
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micaman said:
Shoot, that article is way too much kool-aide for demandarin to handle, slow down man....you got the whole weekend ahead of you.
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You right...ill let it simmer in over the holiday weekend. I think they know the deal now. I love what that senior editor said at the end, Transformer Prime, despite the small number of reported issues, IS AN EXCELLENT TABLET. He also said some stuff about GPS I could repeat but I won't go there, YET...lol. I'm sure others will catch what he said n bring it to light. With this article I'm fully loaded and my trigger finger itching very badly. If I take off the safety it'll be a massacre in here. I don't want to see them go out like that. Ill be the bigger man n let them think on this one. Lovin it. I got infinite ammo with this one. Put all rumors or whatever to rest. MAY THE RUMORS R.I.P.
There's a lot to that interview.
I'm upset at the GPS fiasco but I got mine working with little tricks here and there however I would like to have a perm fix to get it working right without having to put my phone on the corner. *IF* anyone in the Houston area has opened their Prime and wouldn't mind opening mine, PM me! would like to test a few other things out.
Short of opening the damn thing or slapping a phone or paperclip over the corner, the only thing we can do is wait for Asus to come up with something. I sent Gary the link to the GPS working with phone thread in hopes maybe a simple addition to the Prime's internals or something would solve (or help solve) the GPS issue. I have 0 Wifi issue or known issue(s). Everything loads in good speed and streams well. 25 or 2.5, do you really notice a difference in Netflix? I currently have only a 4G connection (Clear for ya) where I am. Haven't gone with Comcast (uggg...) or DirectTv/Dish to get my internet connection and everything has been well. We're too involved in the speed where we should be more involved to does it work. I understand there are some that doesn't get any signal where they should and that's another issue Asus has to address but for now, for the most of us (even for those not on this board), it seems to be working just fine/satisfactory.
If we were to pick apart everything we have and want it "perfect", we're going to be arguing all day back and forth from Toyota's auto-accelerating pedal to Mercedes bio-degradable wiring harness to BMW's self-destructing cooling system to "Everything Mitsubishi makes" as to what to expect and what to do about it.
I got mine. it works 90%. I log in less than 8 hours a week on my laptop where it was more of a 24/7 thing for me. When I am on the go, I don't think about packing the laptop anymore; I just grab the Prime and go (sometimes with the keyboard and sometimes w.o) knowing 95% of the things I need/want to do is available.
Nothing is perfect but at least Asus has someone supporting us here. Can't say much for many manufactures out there; some wait for the lawsuit to go front page before doing anything about it.
While this "interview" is heavily weighted in GK's (ASUS's) favour ... (I suspect a good script writeup here), i do respect Garys input on the forums.
I cant remember EVER having a senior member of a company helping with queries etc on any forum i've ever been on before, and i'm very glad to see he's still here despite some of the witch hunt type threads and responses.
There have been teething probs with the prime and i think they are pretty much ironed out now (bar the GPS ...), firmware issues are easily sorted, and people shouldnt be so quick to join a witch hunt, fixes usually come quickly.
Anyway ... I'm a frustraited customer in the UK thats had to wait since december for a prime, I had a champagne but the keyboard dock was faulty, so still waiting on the replacement to come, My only gripe is the availability .. Pre-orders should give enough warning on how many to supply, IMO waiting over a month after launch isnt acceptible to still be waiting, i really hope asus learn from this.
It was a good bit of "Official Info" but I am concerend on a few points:
Gary says:
GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most.
My experienece IS decent, and i agree, that is indeed what counts most, but 36 Mbps or 34 Mbps? I would give my left.. er arm for those kind of numbers. I see HALF thos on a brand spanking new Cisco E4200, tuned every which way from Sunday for the Prime, and my numbers don't drop 10% at distance, they drop 90%... Anyway, just sayin... those numbers ar way ambitious, for me anyway.
The other concern was he outright said: NO new hardware revision. Which is fine. And preferable in terms of supporting whats out there with less confusion. However it DOES open the point up that GARY'S TEAM MEMBER another SUPPORT MANAGER who I will be kind enough not to name, told me exactly the opposite, and specifically that the C1 he tested and sent me had different, revised hardware. Pisses me off to be lied to, no matter WHO is doing it. As I have often said, My Prime experience has beem mostly a positive one, I just sense BS from time to time. If Gary is telling the truth, then his organization is not. How is a person suppossed to feel good when that happens?
BTW, Same "SUPPORT MANAGER" who told me all about my new hardware revision? Said the C1 replacement I was getting would get GPS reception "as good as your TF101 ever did" I was so freaking happy to hear THAT! Too bad it never happenned. Not even in the same class. Sigh...
Final thought: article says this below the pic of location settings: "GPS works well when Wi-Fi can be used to augment its performance." It does? Not that I have ever seen. I think they menat LOCATION aware apps work BETTER when NOT using GPS but other means, cause GPS doesn't see a single satellite with aGPS info in my unit. I need to be OUTSIDE. And anytime I have seen sats it's ONLY with no wifi, out in the car away from home. sigh...
So while I would love to say I got a great feeling form all this "Official" data, I don't feel any better, or worse.... more of the same, sigh...
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Danny-B- said:
Anyway ... I'm a frustraited customer in the UK thats had to wait since december for a prime, I had a champagne but the keyboard dock was faulty, so still waiting on the replacement to come, My only gripe is the availability .. Pre-orders should give enough warning on how many to supply, IMO waiting over a month after launch isnt acceptible to still be waiting, i really hope asus learn from this.
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I guess all the bad docks in the UK didn't add up to much "in percentages" but I personally saw a lot of reports. A shame really, that you had to buy as a pair/return as a pair, and couldn't keep the tablet at least. Hope you get your new baby fast.. Supply is still very constrained to my eye... Amazon in particular, something up with Asus/Amazon... I wonder what?
Its like he said in the interview, the demand for prime greatly exceeded their expectations. Meaning they didn't produce enough units to meet the high demand of the most prized Android tablet. So he said they are going tto aggressively ramp up production to meet demand. All makes sense as anyplace that carries prime is always sold out so fast. Best part of it all, to me, was the confirmation that Prime was not being replaced or discontinued and that they firmly believe in the high quality of Prime. So worries of it not being supported on long run was basically shot down by this interview. So many bits n pieces I'd love to bring up. Ill wait though. I see it scared away some people..lol
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Hahahahahahaha....lmfao whatcha got to say now buddy...like i said before, the numbers don't lie. Less than 1% failure/return rate and issues are not widespread at all. At least they are addressing the issues.
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The "glass half full" people will see this as validation. The "glass half empty" people will see it as propaganda. And this thread will once again be run up to God knows how many pages and stay on the front page for days/weeks. A devices success (or failure) isn't measured in weeks. Let's see how everyone feels a couple of months from now when Asus and other manufacturers have next-gen tablets out for a direct (not theoretical) comparison of both performance and quality. The great thing about forums is that individual posts are archived. So we'll be able to go back and see who was right and who was wrong as we've all proffered our speculations.
P.S. – A 1% failure rate is industry leading and difficult for even premium manufacturers like Sony and Samsung to achieve and maintain. Does this forum feel “industry leading” to you? Does it even feel like other tablet forums? And, if not, why do you think that is?
Knife cuts both ways
"The second area of concern with users is the performance of the unit with Wi-Fi and BT enabled at the same time. For a very small minority of users, this combination resulted in signal dropouts or severely degraded wireless performance. We are still investigating the root cause of this problem with returned units, but it appears to be a random manufacturing process issue with properly attaching an antenna"
So, does this mean that the Pogo pins don't attache well/properly or does it reference the Gap that Erusman found on the antenna PCB? Either way, it's open ended, since they are still out there.
Oh... and as I recall, all the reviewers BEFORE Prime shipped were stating the same conclusion: It's a great a tablet. Duh.
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P.S. – A 1% failure rate is industry leading and difficult for even premium manufacturers like Sony and Samsung to achieve and maintain. Does this forum feel “industry leading” to you? Does it even feel like other tablet forums? And, if not, why do you think that is?
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Good point. Ill have to get back @ you on that one. Been sipping on grandpa's cough medicine(you should know what that saying means)..lol.
I'm a nice guy. I know all of this is hard for you to swallow. Ill show good sportsmanship. Just like a football or basketball game. I'm blowing you out in the score now. If I continue, it'll only make me look bad and arrogant..lol and unnecessary. I'm interested in seeing what others have to say also once they catch wind of this. Which won't take long.
But on one note, Asus products n laptops are known as the most reliable or break down the least. I remember seeing several articles n stats proving that. Can it be actually so hard to believe the issues here not so widespread as we thought? Therefore following that less than 1% failure rate. No one is perfect. We all wrong sometimes. Just cave in now, Barry. Lol. Ill accept the defeat graciously. Never too late to switch. Switch sides now n ill forget all the previous stuff you said
Ah man..all this too funny. I love this forum. Including the trolls n haters.
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As SmartAs$Phone has pointed out, I wonder how Gary came up with:
CNET: You say "the normal user [Wi-Fi] experience" is not adversely impacted by the unibody design. How exactly do you define the "normal user experience"?
GK: Normal user experience is that [the users are] using their tablet, streaming Netflix, or surfing the Web or other activities, and the tablet works. It does not matter if the maximum throughput is 36Mbps or 32Mbps as indicated by a benchmark program. If the user is not impacted and does not know if the tablet is 10 percent slower at 20 feet from their router, then I think the actual user experience is what matters the most."
I am very sad to say it but I have cancelled my order. I just cant justify paying what this phone costs for something that wont even let me use Android Auto and keeps switching Google apps to Oppo even after setting Google apps as default. I will continue to lurk and hope for a day when we see this phone released with a Global version. Thanks to everyone for all your answers and feedback, it is appreciated.
Anyone want to buy an Oppo light Gray case…should be arriving at my door any day now
You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
future3 said:
You’ve done the right thing. No matter what someone else tries to tell you about rotation apps or how the general experience isn’t a problem, I’m sorry, but it is. You just saved yourself a crap load of money and I’m happy for you.
Mine is going up on eBay UK tomorrow if anyone is interested
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It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N.
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Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations. Don’t worry he’ll wait for your analysis on Android Auto.
You say most of apps works, 99.999% would work fine, yeah OK….have you used every single one of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it.
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For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
Admiral Oden said:
For your first question... It's in the name "XDA-Developers", and if that is not enough it is in a statement on their home page.
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Ask what you want, but if you are coming here to ask questions you should expect responses that include customizing. imapfsr was smart in coming here because they knew they did not want to do heavy customizations, and asked questions that lead to not buying the phone. You on the other hand seem mad that people are offering up solutions to these issues.
Last, if you want to quote me pay attention to context, it is important. My comment was this:
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I said 99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape mode, and to turn to portrait for the others. In a later post I offered to test specific apps for anyone that would like. This was in response to you complaining about the phone being in landscape by default.
Do you also complain about all the default portrait phones that force you to turn into landscape when you launch a game?
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99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
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Who says it’s about customisation? Do you make the rules? It’s nonsense to say ‘buy one from carrier’, what are you on about?
This person wants honest opinions, he does not want to waste over 1000 bucks for some person to say it works because they have downloaded an app on PlayStore to work around the devices limitations.
You say most of apps works, there’s 99.9999% would work fine, have you used of PlayStores apps? Do you know every little UI issue on every single app? I doubt it
99.9999% of apps would look fine in landscape.
Your argument about games makes no sense - most games force landscape mode, that’s just games - most other apps don’t force landscape mode and most people aren’t playing games most of of the time on their phones, so that’s awful comeback.
Context doesn’t make your argument any more relevant. You have no idea that this % amount of apps ‘look fine’, stop pretending you know more than you do. Also why would offer to test apps? Who on earth do you think you are? Please calm your ego. You are a nobody. No one’s care about you testing anything.
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@future3 got a PM
Admiral Oden said:
It is interesting that you are active on this forum. This community is all about customizing devices, and making them do things they are not originally intended to do. If you come here, you will get recommendations on the same. For those that want a phone to just works, buy one from your carrier, for those that want to play with tech, and force it into submission, buy one that is not meant for your carrier, visit XDA, and get to work.
Also imapfsr has received the feedback they requested here, to include the recommendation to not buy the Find N. View attachment 5507817
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And I thank you for that as well sir!
Hey you guys, nothing this trivial is worth arguing over, we have enough garbage to deal with nowadays to not get pissed over this. I appreciate everyone's help and feedback for and against. I am just looking for everyone's honest opinion and I always get that here without question. As I have stated previously I have messed around with phones since the original Mi Mix but I am passed the stage of wanting to do that anymore, I just want my phone to work...who knows, global version maybe or late news is looking like maybe the Google Pipet might be Find N like so we will see. Ideally that would be perfect...a Google foldable in the flavor of the Find N with pure Android...yes please
Thanks again to everyone!
You have made a great choice. Great hardware, poor software with way too many irritations. I sold mine 2 days after getting it.
Good luck to those jumping off; but I've been using the Find N a week now, and very happy with it (Fold is going on sale shortly). It's just an all around better package with better trade offs (for me) than my Fold. Every phone has trade offs, and it is true there are some things that might not work yet (Android Auto) and some that are annoying (aggressive battery); but with the Fold the form factor is just not quite right (for me), and it always felt like a folded in half iPad Mini which doesn't fit comfortably in the pocket; where the outer screen is too tall and the keyboard too narrow such that the outer screen isn't very usable; and then the weight in the hand is unwieldy due to the length. I can understand if there are deal breakers for some (such as for those where Android Auto is a must have), but so far there aren't any for me.
@conceptgate
What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
Tahot said:
What do you mean with "(Fold is going on sale shortly)"?
Do you mean the Oppo find N going on sale soon?
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No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
conceptgate said:
No, my Fold is going on sale because I'm keeping the Find N....
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Haha got it! enjoy it
All Samsung Fold's are even not close to this phone's build quality, if this phone came with global version than for the moment no any fold can be a competitor.