Not really an Amaze question, more of a general smart phone question.
How much of your battery is being used while your on a phone call? My phone seems to use about 1% per minute if not more. Is this normal? I've used the HD2, sensation, and now the amaze. They all seem to be the same, reguardless of ROM or kernel.
While the phone is asleep, battery life is great. Talk on the phone for 30 minutes and your SOL!
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It all depends. If you are on 4G rather than 2G. If you are using a Bluetooth. If you have WiFi on. There are many things that factor into the battery usage while on the phone. I am always on 4G with my Bluetooth on. I kill my battery like it's nothing.
splsales said:
Not really an Amaze question, more of a general smart phone question.
How much of your battery is being used while your on a phone call? My phone seems to use about 1% per minute if not more. Is this normal? I've used the HD2, sensation, and now the amaze. They all seem to be the same, reguardless of ROM or kernel.
While the phone is asleep, battery life is great. Talk on the phone for 30 minutes and your SOL!
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Well, the other user said something about 4g, wifi, etc.. and is partially correct. The biggest factor is signal STRENGTH. I live in Jacksonville, and the 4g here is pretty strong in most areas. With screen off and a weak signal, you might get a little bit worse battery life.. but actively using the data, or voice, while in a weak signal area- that is the noticeable difference.
I talked for several hours last night, and I lost maybe 15% battery. But I'm pretty sure that is because this town has such good signal strength.
One of the build.prop edits is supposed to tell the phone to stop searching for stronger signal once it has a solid signal.. I'm not sure if that is just cell signal, data signal, or both.. but using it seems to make a big difference. I think the change is included in xboarders roms, but I can't be sure because I use my own build.prop.
Thanks for the reply guys. I usually have pretty good service everywhere I go, dont have to venture out of the metro area much. Always the same results.
Doesnt matter about the wifi/signal/bluetooth it seems for me. Of course 1%/minute may have been a bit of an exaggeration.
But I cant even imagine being on the phone for a couple hours without a few backup batteries!!
splsales said:
Thanks for the reply guys. I usually have pretty good service everywhere I go, dont have to venture out of the metro area much. Always the same results.
Doesnt matter about the wifi/signal/bluetooth it seems for me. Of course 1%/minute may have been a bit of an exaggeration.
But I cant even imagine being on the phone for a couple hours without a few backup batteries!!
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talk time on the phone is about 6 hours supposedly, but i suppose they are talking not 4g or 2g talktime, just plain old gsm talk time with no data! 4g is probably closer to about 3 or 4 hours, I ran out of batteries (from 100 percent) after about 4 hours 20 minutes talking to my GF on 4g.
....Which would be approx 1% per 2 minutes.....hmmmm....sounds about right. I just think that is pretty lousy considering we do a million other things with the phone.
Phone calls just arent a priority for us anymore...ha.
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Thanks for the reply guys. I usually have pretty good service everywhere I go, dont have to venture out of the metro area much. Always the same results.
Doesnt matter about the wifi/signal/bluetooth it seems for me. Of course 1%/minute may have been a bit of an exaggeration.
But I cant even imagine being on the phone for a couple hours without a few backup batteries!!
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I have no idea if you are on stock rom, or if you are rooted, etc.. if you are using one of xboarders roms you should already be using a build.prop like this one, but if not and you ARE rooted.. use a program like root explorer and rename build.prop to build.prop.bak, then copy the attached file(just remove the .zip) to /system
That will hopefully keep your phone from scanning for stronger signal, maybe xboarder or someone else can pop in with a different idea why you would have such issues.
Please check your battery strength- settings>about phone>battery>battery use>then click the part on top where it actually shows how long you've been on battery.. take a screenshot and post it. The more green it is, the better your signal. Yellow is worse to the point it is probably scanning for better signal and it is going to affect your battery.. red would be pretty bad signal(or maybe total loss). This is how you can really know how good your signal is, mine is mostly green or yellowish green. Here is what mine looks like when I'm in the same place all morning, pretty strong signal http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13692699/2012-01-26_11-26-53.jpg
My battery usage is about the same as your is today as far as signal is concerned. A picture right now wouldnt really help, Ive been on wifi calling all this morning and havent used the phone to talk much today.
I am on Forth Bar ROM (which totally rocks!).
I am an Android dummy so thanks for the breakdown on how to install the zip and all. I will post a picture in the next day or so when I have been on the phone longer to show you what I am talking about....
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My battery usage is about the same as your is today as far as signal is concerned. A picture right now wouldnt really help, Ive been on wifi calling all this morning and havent used the phone to talk much today.
I am on Forth Bar ROM (which totally rocks!).
I am an Android dummy so thanks for the breakdown on how to install the zip and all. I will post a picture in the next day or so when I have been on the phone longer to show you what I am talking about....
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I have heard all kinds of mixed results with wifi calling, ultimately it is only useful if you are in a weak to no signal area, but my experience with it- it would kill my phone 1% per minute if I was using it. My battery life actually got better by removing it from my phone altogether, but others have reported opposite results.
There is a possible easier way to edit the build.prop.. open in on a computer or the phone with a text edit app, go to the end where it says xboarders tweaks, and copy those values into the ones in your stock build.prop, there is an app called absolute system(and a ton of other ones) that has a feature to edit build.prop and will even make a backup of the original..
But if you are on wifi calling, or even have it enabled when you make normal calls, I think that could be why you experience the drain you do when calling..
Ya I hear ya on the wifi calling but at work I really do have horrible signal so wifi helps a lot! And not to mention the call quality on wifi calling, UNREAL!!! I am at a point where even at home where I have great cell signal I still use wifi just bc the quality is so amazing!
But, I actually think I get better battery usage on wifi calling....
Like I said in the OP, this isnt an Amaze, ROM, or kernel rant.....just a rant to rant I guess.
splsales said:
Not really an Amaze question, more of a general smart phone question.
While the phone is asleep, battery life is great. Talk on the phone for 30 minutes and your SOL!
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Quite a shock for me too. New to Amaze and pretty much AOSP with beastmod right now to test battery life. Looks fine when asleep but once I start using it the battery drains way faster than my previous 3G or 4G phones, for making calls over 4G data and normal use.
With my moderate use it's hard to get thru the day on one charge. Have to either try a different ROM or find more stuff to freeze / disable!
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So i want to port to verizon and get a 4g phone to lock in my unlimited data, but the horror stories of bad battery life are scaring me!
realistically, can you get through one day of moderate use without charging?
I just got mine, and am trying to train the battery and prune services to get maximum run time.
My first day with it, I ran Pandora in the car, plus Google Nav, plus LTE web browsing, etc. I got 4.5 hours full charge to shutdown.
I am still cycling the battery, and I used Juice Defender free for a few days. Now I am playing with Green Power Free, which I use on my froYo tablet. I can get around 8 hours off charger, now, on the OEM battery.
I want to keep the slim(-ish) profile, so i don't want the extended battery with back. But, I will probably experiment with the fleabay batteries and see what I can get.
Battery is a huge suck factor with the TBolt. But, no worse than the Evo 4G that I also ran for a month. And, for me, the speeds and coverage are better with LTE than wiMax.
I have a feeling that I will be shuffling the phone from charger at home to charger in car to charger at office. I hope that the USB port doesn't break....
I get around 14 hours a charge with light-moderate usage. If I don't use my phone at all it'll last a couple days. If I'm streaming lots of music, browsing the web, and making calls I get 6 hours at most.
It doesn't bother me because I am always somewhere I can charge if need be.
The battery life on the Thunderbolt does leave a little to be desired. That being said, if you want the fastest download and upload speeds than this is your phone. By rooting, you can use different kernels and profiles that CAN extend the battery but that is only a band-aid. I just posted this in another thread two seconds ago but ill post it here as well.
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Getting these speeds require battery. If your happy with your 3G than get a different phone and you will get better battery. Its up to you.
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I get around 14 hours a charge with light-moderate usage. If I don't use my phone at all it'll last a couple days. If I'm streaming lots of music, browsing the web, and making calls I get 6 hours at most.
It doesn't bother me because I am always somewhere I can charge if need be.
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my post has nothing to with this thread, but dude..........you signature....HILARIOUS!!!!!!
I get 4-6 hours per battery on my thunderbolt. Screw trying to ooze every bit of battery life out of it. That's not why I bought it. 4g and bluetooth are always on and I use location services and push emails. Twitter and rss feeds autoupdate.
I bought this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004Y6E5Z2
and it works great to charge all batteries. The extra batteries work pretty good, but the phone gets a little confused so I don't go below about 15-20% because sometimes it just shuts down. I think that is the battery software not being able to read the different batteries. The charger can charge one battery before my phone dies so I just switch as needed.
hmm, not exactly what i was hoping to hear. honestly i don't need a 4g phone now, but i want to grandfather in unlimited 4g before verizon takes that option away.
how good can the battery life get if you undervolt, turn off 4g when you're not web browsing, and buy the biggest battery that isn't obnoxiously large? how does the thunderbolt compare to the revolution or charge?
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hmm, not exactly what i was hoping to hear. honestly i don't need a 4g phone now, but i want to grandfather in unlimited 4g before verizon takes that option away.
how good can the battery life get if you undervolt, turn off 4g when you're not web browsing, and buy the biggest battery that isn't obnoxiously large? how does the thunderbolt compare to the revolution or charge?
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If you don't want a huge battery get the seidio slim .. works better than stock for me and I get around 12 hours of heavy usage.. then when it dies I switch to the stock if I'm not home.
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I usually get 5 hrs or so in a 4G area. A whole day roughly 10 hrs in a 3G area.
I just got my thunderbolt a few days ago and I've been stuck spending time next to a charger all the time so far but its worth the speeds!
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I have the extended battery... It's really not that bad....when holding in hand u have a better grip...I'm running stock and and have 4G off cause my area don't have 4G yet but when at work I'm in 4G zone. I only use 4G when I'm downloading a big file anyway....I'm sure if we ever get gb the battery will get better...will I'm hopeing at lease..lol
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I lasted 13 hours... But 4G was off for about 8 hours.
Battery blows and something is draining the crap out of it even when sleeping. I'm gonna start analyzing with system panel soon to find the problem.
On a rom that has a toggle or using the lte on off app, you can toggle down to cdma/evdo unless you need to do something data intensive. Leaving lte on all the time isn't nessesary. Using aosp and stock battery, I easily make it through the day. I have the extended one though if I feel like it. Too heavy imo. Plus I look retarded when only I have the huge battery around 10 friends with super thin iphone 4's.
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On a rom that has a toggle or using the lte on off app, you can toggle down to cdma/evdo unless you need to do something data intensive. Leaving lte on all the time isn't nessesary. Using aosp and stock battery, I easily make it through the day. I have the extended one though if I feel like it. Too heavy imo. Plus I look retarded when only I have the huge battery around 10 friends with super thin iphone 4's.
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You don't make it through the day with lte on all the time using aosp?
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You don't make it through the day with lte on all the time using aosp?
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I do sometimes. I just use my phone so much I can get pretty low on 3g alone. So unless I'm on youtube or something I stay on 3g.
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It's difficult to say whether one makes it through the day with moderate use since everyone's definition of moderate use is different. I'm rooted with das BAMF remix 1.8, stock kernel and settings, and after about 100 txt messages, half hour's worth of calls, 30 min. or so of gaming, and 30 min to hour of web browsing, all over 15 hours, my phone was at 68% at the end of the day. That's moderate usage for me, but most or some might call that light usage though. Oh and LTE on the entire time, but Wifi used for about 4 of those 15 hours.
my battery life is absolutely outstanding on this phone, even with 4g on all the time. maybe i just lucked out with a good phone?
I'm pretty sure the Revolution isn't that great on battery either and it's got 1 debloated ROM and BING! ewwww Granted the ROM out for it removes Bing but still. Also the Charge sucks down battery faster than the TBolt in my experience. If you get the extended battery like mentioned it lasts a pretty long time. I got it and thought I'd return it because of the size but it's really not that bad. It's definitely worth it to have the speeds and the dev support on this device! Plus it's not a Samsung and it doesn't come preloaded with Bing!!!
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I have the extended battery... It's really not that bad....when holding in hand u have a better grip...I'm running stock and and have 4G off cause my area don't have 4G yet but when at work I'm in 4G zone. I only use 4G when I'm downloading a big file anyway....I'm sure if we ever get gb the battery will get better...will I'm hopeing at lease..lol
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+ 1 I'm loving this extended battery, battery life was increased dramatically, and I barely notice it anymore..
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Battery shouldnt be a problem with moderate use. If your a heavy user just invest in an extra battery or two. or get the extended battery.
Its made out to be thee phone but all I can find are faults tech journos don't mention.
GPS no lock
WiFi signal poor
General cell signal lower than usual
Low volume in headphones
I've only had the phone a day but can't say I'm impressed
No problem with any of those ever. The headset volume could be higher though I can't listen to it maxed out with my shures as is.
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Its made out to be thee phone but all I can find are faults tech journos don't mention.
GPS no lock
WiFi signal poor
General cell signal lower than usual
Low volume in headphones
I've only had the phone a day but can't say I'm impressed
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cant whait to get rid this piece of crap m8,going back to htc next year as soon contract finish
I assume that you have already updated the phone to the latest firmware add that should fix some off those problems. At least for the people having them.
I have not had any these problems infact the opposite. GPS locks in just seconds.
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I have none of the problems you mentioned.
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GPS locks in half a sec
Wi fi good reception even at the back of the house
Don't use headphone much, but when I do volume its fine for me
Never had reception issues
Don't know what would happen next year, but right now HTC don't have anything to compete with this phone IMO
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I've had my Chilean version since yesterday (from Amazon.com) and I am not all that impressed either. I guess I expected more from a $660 unlocked phone.
Coming from the Atrix, I just don't know if I can justify the expense, especially since the battery life on the SGSII is poor. The Atrix has a massive 1800 mAh battery (I have two original batteries) so maybe it's best I keep it and return the SGSII. Yes, I can get more batteries for the SGSII but I don't like the feeling of concern every time I pick the thing up and use it.
I'll give it a day or two more, but I'm leaning towards returning it. It's just not OMG BLOWING my socks off like I thought it would...
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GPS no lock
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I've used mine in the U.S. and Europe without issue.
WiFi signal poor
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The task bar indicator isn't accurate. My actual connection to my home router is better than any phone I've used. The SGS2 doesn't like certain routers (D-Link especially) and when connecting to those it accelerates battery drain. Using the phone on the road it's no better or worse than other phones I've owned.
General cell signal lower than usual
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This has been an issue in certain regions. There's been posts by people in the UK with either carrier or geographic issues. If you're effected I'd suggest returning the phone. No one in the U.S. where AT&T has a strong, modern, and consistent infrastructure has had a signal issue (not caused by AT&T's overburdened network itself). But check out the Sensation forum because they too have some carrier/region signal issues.
Low volume in headphones
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I use it with wired music headphones, a wired phone headset, and over Bluetooth and haven't had a volume issue.
I've only had the phone a day but can't say I'm impressed
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Then return it rather than martyring yourself.
hummmm i am really enjoying this phone its the best android phone i have used and i cant see anything touching it for some time yet .
everyone is different though but for me the sgs2 makes me smile
This phone is fantastic, I've come from the brilliant HD2 and its a massive upgrade over that. Get batista ROM on and give it another go.
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Coming from the Atrix, I just don't know if I can justify the expense, especially since the battery life on the SGSII is poor.
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I get 14-18 hours of moderate-heavy use. I use all the syncs and have them syncing every three hours. I also use Wi-Fi heavily and Exchange push. What people load on their phones has a lot to do with their battery life. If you're in the U.S. you should be getting better battery life than most because AT&T's strong signal doesn't drain the phone as much as carriers in other countries. Based on your needs, the Atrix might be a better choice.
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I've had my Chilean version since yesterday (from Amazon.com) and I am not all that impressed either. I guess I expected more from a $660 unlocked phone.
Coming from the Atrix, I just don't know if I can justify the expense, especially since the battery life on the SGSII is poor. The Atrix has a massive 1800 mAh battery (I have two original batteries) so maybe it's best I keep it and return the SGSII. Yes, I can get more batteries for the SGSII but I don't like the feeling of concern every time I pick the thing up and use it.
I'll give it a day or two more, but I'm leaning towards returning it. It's just not OMG BLOWING my socks off like I thought it would...
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This is how I feel to be honest, its over hyped, I have 7 days cooling of period so will see what happens
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This is how I feel to be honest, its over hyped, I have 7 days cooling of period so will see what happens
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It's not over-hyped unless you ignore all the posters that are saying they do not suffer the issues you have posted, like you have done.
There is a very, very small minority of people that have issues. They should return the device as defective, rather than come on to a development forum and start whining.
FWIW, from May when i got the phone till the 2.3.4 update i could get about 18hours outta it with light/moderate usage (very little game playing for instance)..
but since then its been spot on, way better than my Hero anyways, even when overclocked to 1600mhz on Ninphetamine 2.0.5 Kernel...
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this should help you out with the GPS problem you are having
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slugger09 said:
Its made out to be thee phone but all I can find are faults tech journos don't mention.
GPS no lock
WiFi signal poor
General cell signal lower than usual
Low volume in headphones
None of the faults you have listed perhaps faulty handset? I've just travelled 300 miles from home to Southampton didn't lose my signal once.
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[*]GPS no lock
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Make sure you have a proper internet connection over 3G.
[*]WiFi signal poor
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Don't have that problem, make sure you have a router with a modern chipset and up-to-date firmware.
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Don't have this problem.
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Don't have this problem, make sure are using headphones with the correct impedance value.
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It's not over-hyped unless you ignore all the posters that are saying they do not suffer the issues you have posted, like you have done.
There is a very, very small minority of people that have issues. They should return the device as defective, rather than come on to a development forum and start whining.
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ditto......
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Its made out to be thee phone but all I can find are faults tech journos don't mention.
GPS no lock
WiFi signal poor
General cell signal lower than usual
Low volume in headphones
I've only had the phone a day but can't say I'm impressed
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My GPS lock is fine but Nokia devices lock and track far far better.
Wifi signal is indeed poor, in a spot where I still get a stable wifi signal with my netbook the S2 cant even see the router anymore
No issues with the cell reception
Low volume in headphones can be fixed with Volume+
GPS no lock:
locks nearly instantly for me (when still) takes a while lock when in transportation is going to fast, if it doesn't lock, I just PATIENTLY will for it lock (there dead zones)
WiFi signal poor:
Connects to my connection INSTANTLY, I have fairly old Netgear router when Wireless N just came out. Perhaps your router just doesnt like your phone. try other routers to see if it gives you different signal strength.
General cell signal lower than usual:
I usually get full bars, only thing I have latency problems (1 sec delay during calls) which hasnt been fixed yet, at least for me.
Low volume in headphones:
in headphones!!! Shoot, low volume in everything for me (this is more threatening than those people with battery issues). Must use workarounds to solve the INFAMOUS volume issue.
have only played around with stock rom, KG1 & KG3, hasnt fixed my issues.
But how can you not be impressed!! this phone is insanely fast, big screen for small slim phone, BEST phone I ever bought.
As the title says I haven't seen anyone actually test the battery for a couple days, it's usually review and move on.
So how is it?
Well it hasn't been mentioned so it probably isn't worse than we expect it to be.
Also interested to know. Of course since this will be the first few days people have it, they'll be using it a ton so it may not be the best estimate on battery life but I would love to know an idea of how much to expect.
They haven't had time to calabrate yet.
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First charge with heavy use got greater than expected life. I will still buy an extended one, but thats cuz i hate charging. 7 hours of heavy use on 3g only.
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7 hours of heavy use isn't bad. So idling with 4G off probably isn't terrible then. That is what I am most concerned about. Hopefully we will get kernel source and just get some undervolt going.
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7 hours of heavy use isn't bad. So idling with 4G off probably isn't terrible then. That is what I am most concerned about. Hopefully we will get kernel source and just get some undervolt going.
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yeah not to mention that after you root you can flash leaner kernels and ROM's. But we'll have to wait for development to pick up, I really hope we see some good developers here.
So right now it's 1am and I took the phone off of the charger at 8:21 with 85% battery life. It is now at 47% with some steady texting, exchange activesync, some web browsing, and a 7 minute video all on 4g. I'm not sure what to make of that but it seems decent.
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So right now it's 1am and I took the phone off of the charger at 8:21 with 85% battery life. It is now at 47% with some steady texting, exchange activesync, some web browsing, and a 7 minute video all on 4g. I'm not sure what to make of that but it seems decent.
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DAMMIT I WANT!!! 3 more days...
I don't know that I've charged it fully since I got it. It was close to fully charged before I went to a wedding tonight. Lasted all 6 hours or so I was there, but was tuckering out (~20%) by the time I left. But I did spend a bit of time playing with the phone. And 4G was on the whole time. And I turned live wallpaper on, played with my weather and clock widgets, tried to get a wifi connection that wouldn't work, browsed the web a bit.
I recharged on the way home to about 50%, and sitting around playing with it for the last hour to 1.5 hours, it's still at 40%.
If it makes you feel any better, the biggest battery hog was the display, BY FAR. Like 80-something percent to the <20% combined for the other functions. I'll try and remember to post my impressions from my first "normal" day of use tomorrow and let you know how the battery fairs.
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I don't know that I've charged it fully since I got it. It was close to fully charged before I went to a wedding tonight. Lasted all 6 hours or so I was there, but was tuckering out (~20%) by the time I left. But I did spend a bit of time playing with the phone. And 4G was on the whole time. And I turned live wallpaper on, played with my weather and clock widgets, tried to get a wifi connection that wouldn't work, browsed the web a bit.
I recharged on the way home to about 50%, and sitting around playing with it for the last hour to 1.5 hours, it's still at 40%.
If it makes you feel any better, the biggest battery hog was the display, BY FAR. Like 80-something percent to the <20% combined for the other functions. I'll try and remember to post my impressions from my first "normal" day of use tomorrow and let you know how the battery fairs.
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I got mine yesterday and I can say it is about 25-30% better than a rooted thunderbolt....My logic says once rooted we will get really good battery life.
I am a heavy user and I can say I turned off fast boot and bump charged it 3 times on Thursday night. I gave it a heavy use all day on Friday.
Took it off the charger at 10 am around 8 pm I was on 35%. So that was 10 hours of heavy use and still had 35% left. If I was using the rooted bolt I would have been dead around 5:30 and a stock bolt...even sooner.
hope all these battery estimates are true, sounds like this will be my next phone!
Took it off the charger at about 11am today... Was close to 100%, maybe 95%. Just hooked it up to charge about 10 minutes ago (so off charger completely for ~10 hours). It had ~10% battery life left when I hooked it up.
Had Wifi and/or 4G on the entire day, including an hour and a half in a bad service area, where it fought for a bit to find service until I logged into the wifi network. Played about 1 hour worth of Pandora on high quality setting. A couple minutes of 4G Youtube. Tons of tinkering with games and downloading apps and playing around. Screen brightness was set to something like 30%. live wallpaper enabled. Weather and clock widget enabled. Data tracking widget enabled. Did a few seconds of video Skype too. I would say it was consistent use all day, but not necessarily heavy for most of the day.
EDIT: I forgot. One short phone call. I'm sort of a bad guinea pig for battery life on a phone because I really don't make a lot of phone calls. Consider my use representative of someone who uses data during his commute and for texting/games/forum/app usage.
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Took it off the charger at about 11am today... Was close to 100%, maybe 95%. Just hooked it up to charge about 10 minutes ago (so off charger completely for ~10 hours). It had ~10% battery life left when I hooked it up.
EDIT: I forgot. One short phone call. I'm sort of a bad guinea pig for battery life on a phone because I really don't make a lot of phone calls. Consider my use representative of someone who uses data during his commute and for texting/games/forum/app usage.
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I have very similar usage habits. Glad to hear that this seems to have relatively good battery life.
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Had Wifi and/or 4G on the entire day, including an hour and a half in a bad service area, where it fought for a bit to find service until I logged into the wifi network.
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Bad/No service areas will kill a battery so fast. My office is in a windowless reinforced concrete room inside a reinforced windowless room inside a reinforced building. (Yo dawg)
I get no service at all. If I leave the 3g on, phone won't make it past 5 hours. Turn the 3G/WiFi off and battery percent goes down a few points.
I need one!!!
Kellex over a Droid-Life has gotten just over 10 hours of normal usage (all in 4G) for the past couple of days. He also stated he is not a heavy user by any means.
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Seems like it isn't as bad as most thought it would be.
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I remain interested in the phone but undecided due to some really bad hardware failures I have on my Dinc.
While I am very interested in battery life like everyone else, please everyone keep in mind that "how is the battery" is as personal a question as "which radio is the best one to use."
There is no way one person can truly tell you how the battery will be for you. If you sit in an interior office without wifi, and have sync contacts and facebook set for every hour, that ALONE will cause a drain that may not be comparable.
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I remain interested in the phone but undecided due to some really bad hardware failures I have on my Dinc.
While I am very interested in battery life like everyone else, please everyone keep in mind that "how is the battery" is as personal a question as "which radio is the best one to use."
There is no way one person can truly tell you how the battery will be for you. If you sit in an interior office without wifi, and have sync contacts and facebook set for every hour, that ALONE will cause a drain that may not be comparable.
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What does this phone have in common with a year old phone.
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What does this phone have in common with a year old phone.
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Yay, you got another post!
That aside ... just please everyone keep that in mind when making battery life decisions based on what others experience; battery life can be GREATLY impacted by things well outside what programs you might run and how many texts you might send.
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Yay, you got another post!
That aside ... just please everyone keep that in mind when making battery life decisions based on what others experience; battery life can be GREATLY impacted by things well outside what programs you might run and how many texts you might send.
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Yay, so did you.
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Hey guys, I just bought an HTC ONE X+ last week with a contract from AT&T. I came from a One S on T-Mobile. So here's my problem, I would use my One S all day with WiFi and data on for about half the day and the screen turned on low and I'd still have 50% battery by 8 pm. That was after starting the day at 7 AM. I've tried to do the same with this X+ but leaving power save on and data and WiFi off nearly 20 out of 24 hour, just eats through my battery. I want to be able to USD my phone and I don't want a battery case. I was thinking of returning it for a regular One X with the dual core snapdragon as is in the One S. Would my battery longevity be similar in the One X? Would rooting and using set cpu to lower the cpu clock cause the one X+ to get better battery life?
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Hey guys, I just bought an HTC ONE X+ last week with a contract from AT&T. I came from a One S on T-Mobile. So here's my problem, I would use my One S all day with WiFi and data on for about half the day and the screen turned on low and I'd still have 50% battery by 8 pm. That was after starting the day at 7 AM. I've tried to do the same with this X+ but leaving power save on and data and WiFi off nearly 20 out of 24 hour, just eats through my battery. I want to be able to USD my phone and I don't want a battery case. I was thinking of returning it for a regular One X with the dual core snapdragon as is in the One S. Would my battery longevity be similar in the One X? Would rooting and using set cpu to lower the cpu clock cause the one X+ to get better battery life?
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Hmmm would a V4 engine consume less gasoline than a V8 engine, I do believe so but might need a rocket scientist here for that one .
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Hmmm would a V4 engine consume less gasoline than a V8 engine, I do believe so but might need a rocket scientist here for that one .
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The reviews on battery life are so mixed. The AT&T version One X still has NFC and the POGO pins so besides a 1.6 MP camera and a (hot running) quad core Nvidia that sucks battery life im not missing out. Actually V4's arent's very common, most are I4's on cars, you will see V4's on motorcycles. Just wanted to clarify... I have no experience with a One X and was just asking for opinions before I can return it to see if I really should do it.
Lol what are you talking about battery life is great 4-5 hours of screen on time
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Then what the hell?
I must be doing something wrong or I'm just used to having more.
Look at my graph, that's barely using the phone at all all day. As soon as I turn on WiFi, my battery just jumps off a cliff... I have Google now, sync, and location disabled and I disabled all the possible apps I could think of that would drain batter.
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I must be doing something wrong or I'm just used to having more.
Look at my graph, that's barely using the phone at all all day. As soon as I turn on WiFi, my battery just jumps off a cliff... I have Google now, sync, and location disabled and I disabled all the possible apps I could think of that would drain batter.
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No you haven't done anything wrong you haft to break in your battery give it two weeks before you complain your battery Is being calibrated
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I must be doing something wrong or I'm just used to having more.
Look at my graph, that's barely using the phone at all all day. As soon as I turn on WiFi, my battery just jumps off a cliff... I have Google now, sync, and location disabled and I disabled all the possible apps I could think of that would drain batter.
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Poor mobile signal causes significant battery drain.
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I must be doing something wrong or I'm just used to having more.
Look at my graph, that's barely using the phone at all all day. As soon as I turn on WiFi, my battery just jumps off a cliff... I have Google now, sync, and location disabled and I disabled all the possible apps I could think of that would drain batter.
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I really don't know where these Battery Cry Babies crawl out of? They must think as soon as they charge the device one time out of the box, have everything turned on and enable such as NFC (who even uses this, really?), wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc. that they will still have great battery life on this or any quad core device? Here's a thought, only enable gps when you use it, only enable wifi, when you use it, only enable bluetooth when you are going to use it, etc. By simply doing this, have battery save mode enabled (really no reason to ever have it off unless maybe playing a tegra 3 hungry game), you will see actually great battery life from this device. Also fully charge it from 100%-0% at least 3 times to get the full effect, same applies after flashing a new rom and make sure you don't have some bunk 3rd party battery hungry app running as there's tons out there if you're not careful!
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I really don't know where these Battery Cry Babies crawl out of? They must think as soon as they charge the device one time out of the box, have everything turned on and enable such as NFC (who even uses this, really?), wifi, bluetooth, gps, etc. that they will still have great battery life on this or any quad core device? Here's a thought, only enable gps when you use it, only enable wifi, when you use it, only enable bluetooth when you are going to use it, etc. By simply doing this, have battery save mode enabled (really no reason to ever have it off unless maybe playing a tegra 3 hungry game), you will see actually great battery life from this device. Also fully charge it from 100%-0% at least 3 times to get the full effect, same applies after flashing a new rom and make sure you don't have some bunk 3rd party battery hungry app running as there's tons out there if you're not careful!
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You're totally right because I forgot to mention how I had everything running all at once all day.... Oh yeah I did say I turned everything off and only used WiFi when I needed it and same goes for data. Is it so hard to answer whether the One X will outperform the One X+ on battery or are you just the official pretentious all-knowing bastard troll of HTC phones? I use a timer to charge my phone 3 hours before I wake up so it's always at 100% when I start the day.
Thank you to those who offered some real answers and support.
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You're totally right because I forgot to mention how I had everything running all at once all day.... Oh yeah I did say I turned everything off and only used WiFi when I needed it and same goes for data. Is it so hard to answer whether the One X will outperform the One X+ on battery or are you just the official pretentious all-knowing bastard troll of HTC phones? I use a timer to charge my phone 3 hours before I wake up so it's always at 100% when I start the day.
Thank you to those who offered some real answers and support.
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I had all of a sudden a huge battery drain; first I couldn't figure out what was going on. I disabled all AT&T apps especially the AT&T locker app and now I am back to great battery life.
Huge drain occur only when cpu are set to full clock. Gotta feed that beast
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You're totally right because I forgot to mention how I had everything running all at once all day.... Oh yeah I did say I turned everything off and only used WiFi when I needed it and same goes for data. Is it so hard to answer whether the One X will outperform the One X+ on battery or are you just the official pretentious all-knowing bastard troll of HTC phones? I use a timer to charge my phone 3 hours before I wake up so it's always at 100% when I start the day.
Thank you to those who offered some real answers and support.
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Now I have the regular att one x and usually I use it pretty heavily and I'm at 60% around 8 pm taking off at 7am...it all depends on the user...but like others said your battery is being calibrated and once you flash a new Rom your battery will have to take a few days to see more trust worthy battery..alsoyour dalvic cache is rebuilding itself the first little while so I can assure you after a little while you'll see improvements in battery life ...on my one x I got significantly better battery life after putting a couple roms on their and choosing the CPU/voltages how I want....and if your heavy user and complaining just think if you and someone else have the same car and your just flooring yours everywhere you'll get worse gas mileage..
I just got a new AT&T One X+, and noticed that some of the AT&T bloatware was using battery.
I let Play Store update some of the bloatware and then under Settings->Apps, I disabled
AT&T Code Scanner
AT&T Family Map
AT&T Locker
AT&T Messenges
AT&T Navigator
AT&T ReadyToGo
I can't remember which one(s) were using most power, but disabling them all means that you never accidentally run them and don't see then on the Apps screeens.
HTC Checkin service also seems to use a lot of power, but not much I can do to stop that.
But for now, I just plan to use the phone as I want to, but make sure I can plug it into power if it gets low on juice.
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Huge drain occur only when cpu are set to full clock. Gotta feed that beast
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So far thats my experience, if i load up a game that uses that Tegra 3 to its full extent then goodbye battery.. I did go disable all the ATT apps however
But heck, if i watch Youtube videos and such i dont have much of a problem, My first day i managed about 15h with almost 3h on the screen... I gotta say unlike my GNex, this phone is picky on what you're doing in regards to battery usage, Probubly because unlike the One X+ the GNex's screen was the worst offender in regards to battery life....and unlike the GNex I dont have to go running when i hit 20% because 20% on my GNex meant "I'm going to drop dead in 5...4...3..2...1"
BTW stupid question, Where I live I know theres a very good HSPA+ tower (like full signal all the time, -75dbm) but my One X+ likes to stay on the LTE tower which has a dinky 1-2 bar signal strength to it(Not sure on the dbm on it, Havnt checked), Even though im using Wi-Fi at home, wouldnt it still be bad for battery life as the cell tower has a weaker signal?
I'd not mind a battery case, Had one on my iPhone 4 and my GNex, But I cant seem to find one, Do the Mugen ones for the One X work on the Plus as well?
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BTW stupid question, Where I live I know theres a very good HSPA+ tower (like full signal all the time, -75dbm) but my One X+ likes to stay on the LTE tower which has a dinky 1-2 bar signal strength to it(Not sure on the dbm on it, Havnt checked), Even though im using Wi-Fi at home, wouldnt it still be bad for battery life as the cell tower has a weaker signal?
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I would also prefer to use HSPA over LTE to save battery, but after some googling I realized that AT&T does not want us to have this option. There are some cumbersome phone codes you can enter to hop onto HSPA and not LTE, but no practical solutions yet
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I would also prefer to use HSPA over LTE to save battery, but after some googling I realized that AT&T does not want us to have this option. There are some cumbersome phone codes you can enter to hop onto HSPA and not LTE, but no practical solutions yet
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That stinks of annoying marketing over practicality... At the very least when one isnt using a ton of data at the moment they should have the phone "throttle" the connection down to the strongest connection available, even if its EDGE...and if you're on a Wi-Fi network it should connect to the tower with the strongest signal, not the best data connection
At my house I get HSPA+ with full bars running at 7.5mbps, LTE runs at 5-6mbps and 1-2 bars
Ok granted, when i leave the house yes, i get pretty good LTE speeds up to 20-23mbps, and thats where i care about LTE working since at home i can just use my Wi-Fi network, what im more annoyed with at home is the fact that in the background im connected to a tower with 2 bars of strength which im pretty sure is killing my battery life because its STILL pushing Cell stuff to it (IE, my calls/texts) in fact while I havnt really been able to test this much a few of the times when i go downstairs (Thus losing the poor LTE tower and hopping over to the very good HSPA tower) i notice my battery drain seems to get a lot lower... But as i said i cant test that a lot
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No you haven't done anything wrong you haft to break in your battery give it two weeks before you complain your battery Is being calibrated
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if no one ever told u that before i will tell u now....
stop! belive!! in!! myth!!!
or u know better then the android progremers?
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if no one ever told u that before i will tell u now....
stop! belive!! in!! myth!!!
or u know better then the android progremers?
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No my battery has continued to get better every day here's some more proof,
Yes it may be some what of a myth but than again your phone needs to build up cache sync everything and than settle down
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I've had pretty good battery life on my HOX+ so far, but, I've only owned the thing for a week. I think a lot of it depends on how you use the phone and also how much you prioritize battery life over convenience.
For example, I've got Google Now turned off along with all the AT&T apps removed entirely. In addition mobile data is usually turned off unless I actually need to use it and so on. So things might not be as convenient for me, but, battery life is pretty good. Although, when gaming it does go down quickly as expected.
The other night I took my phone off the charger around 2am when I went to sleep and when I woke up at 10:30am it was at 98%.
I recall someone mentioning that they lost 1% of battery life very 10 minutes when Google Now was running. So I just started it on my phone and then disabled it. Although, I believe it is 'off' by default.
I almost never install programs that run constantly in the background. Especially if it is one that will restarts after being terminated even though it isn't necessary. I've read you aren't supposed to terminate running processes, but, I just hate having some games 'billing service' running in the background all day because I played it 8 hours ago. I am pretty selective with when and how I end processes as it just wastes battery life to 'free memory' and then have all those same processes start running again.
Unfortunately this post probably doesn't add too much useful information, but, I need 10 posts so just bear with me, lol.
Heres my count for today...
Basically, a bit of youtube, a bit of music playing (around an hour i think) some web browsing, a little cut the rope (around 20ish mins?) played in Google Earth a bit (One app that never ran well.. until now!) Really and honestly i am not complaining one bit...
My cell signal in the background sucks, Thats probubly not helping matters (I know I can get a much better more solid connection if it was the HSPA+ tower but theres no way for me to disable the LTE apparently ) So basically I'm just annoyed that i feel the battery life could be extended if i could force it to connect to the tower with the strongest signal instead of the one with the LTE signal im not using at home because i have 40mbps FiOS....
Hello!
I recently got the Galaxy Mega 6.3 i9205 and the experience so far has been nothing but bad.
1. First thing I noticed was that the cpu area of the phone got quite hot after about 10 minutes of normal web browsing.
2. Second was that the battery drained quite fast. I got an app that told me that it was using about 15-20% an hour with really light use!
3. The reception is really bad! I struggle to keep 3/5 bars of signal, and most of the time it has no reception at all.
I had a Note 2 previously and both the battery life and reception was top notch. Also it was never overheating.
I've turned of loads of battery draining settings and have not installed any 3rd party apps.
I've tried to factory reset it twice with no change in behaviour.
I am in the process of returning it for a new one, but I just want to make sure that this is not a common problem.
Does anyone else experience this or have I just been really unlucky?
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Hello!
I recently got the Galaxy Mega 6.3 i9205 and the experience so far has been nothing but bad.
1. First thing I noticed was that the cpu area of the phone got quite hot after about 10 minutes of normal web browsing.
2. Second was that the battery drained quite fast. I got an app that told me that it was using about 15-20% an hour with really light use!
3. The reception is really bad! I struggle to keep 3/5 bars of signal, and most of the time it has no reception at all.
I had a Note 2 previously and both the battery life and reception was top notch. Also it was never overheating.
I've turned of loads of battery draining settings and have not installed any 3rd party apps.
I've tried to factory reset it twice with no change in behaviour.
I am in the process of returning it for a new one, but I just want to make sure that this is not a common problem.
Does anyone else experience this or have I just been really unlucky?
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I would say you have been unlucky, my experience is exactly the opposite of that, Great battery no overheating and exceptional performance.
You may got a defective item... Mine is heaven
i9205 Tmobile USA
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You may got a defective item... Mine is heaven
i9205 Tmobile USA
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Same here.
A little heat when playing maybe? But all phones do, even my wife's Note 2. Also : try the Nexus 4 and you ll see what is a hot phone
As for reception, I have to say it is also on par with the wife's Note 2
I had the i9205 first then I got an i9200. I noticed that the i9200 performed better camera wise and performance wise. The notification bar didn't stutter or slow down and there was no dim bug. For some reason the i9205 LTE model had a bunch of problems, at least the one I tried.
Battery life was also way way better on the i9200.
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Hello!
I recently got the Galaxy Mega 6.3 i9205 and the experience so far has been nothing but bad.
1. First thing I noticed was that the cpu area of the phone got quite hot after about 10 minutes of normal web browsing.
2. Second was that the battery drained quite fast. I got an app that told me that it was using about 15-20% an hour with really light use!
3. The reception is really bad! I struggle to keep 3/5 bars of signal, and most of the time it has no reception at all.
I had a Note 2 previously and both the battery life and reception was top notch. Also it was never overheating.
I've turned of loads of battery draining settings and have not installed any 3rd party apps..
I've tried to factory reset it twice with no change in behaviour.
I am in the process of returning it for a new one, but I just want to make sure that this is not a common problem.
Does anyone else experience this or have I just been really unlucky?
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I also had this issue, but I also had and issue where it randomly rebooted. I took it in got a new one and now the over heating issues are starting again. And its not just little overheat, its feel it straight through pockets and still noticably warm. It is warm specifaclly in the camera region. One other issue I have is the reception. I get it, but every ten or so minutes, I have to close all apps and then clear ram and then wait about ten seconds until it resets the antenna because for some reason it gets stuck sending data and continues to send in a loop. Most noticably when using any browser and I have to refresh six or seven times before I can load any page because it keeps sending and not recieveing. Any ideas or thoughts?
No problems at all with my i9205...it works very well.
2SHAYNE-MeGa
shayneflashindaily said:
No problems at all with my i9205...it works very well.
2SHAYNE-MeGa
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Same here - none of the OP's issues.
i have the same problem. french mega 6.3.
my cell standby is often at 2nd point of %.
i live in italy and i thought could be the baseband optimized for france that gives me a bad reception?
realista87 said:
i have the same problem. french mega 6.3.
my cell standby is often at 2nd point of %.
i live in italy and i thought could be the baseband optimized for france that gives me a bad reception?
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Quite possibly, flash another modem and try it.
Sprint I9200 same issue
I've only had my Galaxy Mega for five days now & was noticing how terrible the battery life was ( getting around 10 to 12 hours with moderate use instead of 20+ hours). Then I noticed my cell reception was only 1 out of 6 bars indoors while my old Note 2 & my wife's Galaxy S2 were getting full bars. I called Sprint regarding the issue and was told they don't have anything on record because this device is fairly new. Was told to update my profile & prl and then reboot. Didn't fix it. The gal did some more research and discovered that there is a radio firmware issue, but there isn't a fix for it. I'm going to return the phone which is too bad because I was really excited about it.
You got a dud.
*2SHAYNEZ-P.A.-KCCO*
To be honest i would say it's a faulty device...As I run my mega at either full clock speed with performance governor, or over clocked on the kernel I'm building and testing at 1.9 ghz...and my mega has never once gotten more than warm on the back, never registering a battery temp over 93 degrees...which is 6 to 10 degrees less than my note 3 running stock browsing for a little while. If possible return it or swap it for another...If not, it's kind of a tough spot as there are no Tw based custom kernels yet and mine won't be ready for a few days or more. You could try a rom like a deodexed that's less taxing but nth probably won't make really any difference but given the alternatives it may be worth a shot. good luck i hope you get this all worked out, as the mega is an amazing device and I love mine.Mega
I highly recommend the stock rom optimized by megalomaniac
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You are not alone!
I know this is an old thread and that you've probably already moved on, but I wanted to let you know that I have been experiencing overheating issues as well. My phone shuts off in my pocket and the CPU area is often quite hot. The phone must be so big it can't handle being in my pockets, which usually fit the phone like a glove.
i think also you are a unlucky person. But your thinking level is very low. because i had use it in past. i feel better to use this. ok. if you have many money then you can choice another,,
MartialRanger23 said:
I know this is an old thread and that you've probably already moved on, but I wanted to let you know that I have been experiencing overheating issues as well. My phone shuts off in my pocket and the CPU area is often quite hot. The phone must be so big it can't handle being in my pockets, which usually fit the phone like a glove.
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Maybe its the hardware issue...i have use my mega for months and i never experiencing overheat,battery drain,poor signal etc..play a high graphics game such as gangstar vegas and it works as it should be..Maybe you should go for a new one or for a better size..note 3 lol!
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I highly recommend the stock rom optimized by megalomaniac
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What do you mean by megalomaniac here ?
I think here you discuss about Powerful stock ROM optimized. Do you think it ?:silly:
My Galaxy Mega is doing the same thing.It overheats with minimal use and freezes up.I keep having to restart after I let it cool down before using it again. I'm kinda scared to put it next to my face!
Samsung Mega I527 - SetCPU settings
If you have wifi on and everything else, like NFC and Bluetooth, you do end up with a lot of heating. Best thing to do is to dim your screen, turn off what is not in use (especially if you are running Wifi and Bluetooth at the same time - they can cause conflicts on some phones). Root your phone and install 'SetCPU'. Create profiles that set the speed to run in performance mode while battery over 60%, normal mode 40%-60%, and in slower speeds when not. You can also set the speeds to bottom out when your phone is off. I keep the low value and something about 800Mhz during sleep/off.
You might want to check your browser. If you are running FireFox and have a lot of extensions/add-ons they could be driving your CPU at full speed and causing the overhead condition. Lastly, check the age of your battery. See if it is developing a small amount of thickness. It should set flat on the table and not rock. If it is "fat" or rocks, you need to replace it. That could also be a major point of problems.
Normally a battery is only good for two years hard use. They are supposed to last between 3 and 5 years, but you get less time over the life of the battery.
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My SetCPU settings:
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