I've now had enough Primes in my possession at one time to have been able to compare different screens side-by-side, and here's my conclusion: there's significant variation in temperature, colors, and text quality between screens. And, I don't believe it represents different screen manufacturers, but rather variation within the same screens.
I say this because right now, I have three Primes that I'm deciding between as my "final" one. None of them are "perfect," even outside of the real or imagined radio limitations--on two, haptic feedback doesn't work, on a different two, there's what I consider significant light bleed, one has decent haptic feedback and minimal lightbleed, but a stuck pixel that I can't fix and speakers that seem to put out just minimally inferior sound.
What's notable, however, is that all three screens have different temperatures and overall colors. All are Gray units, all BCs, two from Best Buy and one from HH Gregg. And yes, I consider it ridiculous that I have three Primes in my possession in search of an acceptable one (and feel free to blame me or ASUS, it's entirely up to you). Here's the scoop on the screens:
#1: Overly warm, i.e., very yellow. Whites appear to be a dingy yellow. Text is markedly less crisp. Colors are somewhat washed out. Looking at Maps at a location with any detail, it's difficult to tell apart different geographical features by color alone. This is the second screen I've seen of such low quality.
#2: Less warm. Whites appear truer. Text is noticeably crisper. Colors are deeper and more pleasant. Looking at the same location in Maps, can actually distinguish between geographical features by color. Just a much, much better screen that makes the entire experience more pleasant.
Up to now, I'd though that there were two screen types: the "bad" one and the "good" one. However:
#3: Even less warm than #2. Whites even truer. Text even crisper. Colors deeper and even more pleasant. And in Maps, colors are even more delineated and it's even easier to pick out geographical details by color alone. That is, THIS screen is even BETTER than #2, which I'd thought was as good as they get. The difference between #3 and #2 is less than the difference between #2 and #1, but it's still quite noticeable.
Now, I admit that it's distinctly possible that ALL devices with LCDs would show such variability between units when held side-by-side, and that we don't notice them because we typically don't hold so many side-by-side. And, as a case in point, the screen on my Samsung Epic 4G Touch is definitely different than my wife's--my screen shows whites with a much colder (i.e., more blue) cast than hers, and I consider hers much better.
I just find it fascinating that there could be such variation in how these screens show color. I'm inclined to keep #3 in spite of the stuck pixel (it's only visible on higher brightness settings on absolute black screens) and questionable speakers, because the screen is SO much nicer. I could keep trying to get a "perfect" unit, but I wonder if I'd ever get another screen that's as good as this one. Plus, I'm just freaking tired of the whole affair.
I have a #1. It was good before the .33 update. now my colors look washed. My phone is much more saturated and truer colors.
Hmm, maybe that is why my OG TF seems to have a much nicer screen when it comes to colour: thogt it was just an anti-figer print / glare /whatever the hell coating.
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Spidey01 said:
Hmm, maybe that is why my OG TF seems to have a much nicer screen when it comes to colour: thogt it was just an anti-figer print / glare /whatever the hell coating.
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IMO, the #2 and #3 Primes in my post have better screens (color- and text-wise) than my OG Transformer, looking at them side-by-side. In addition, in general, I think the OG Transformer is a little too cold comparatively, with whites being more bluish. The Primes are also brighter (even without Super IPS+ mode turned on).
However, #1 is much worse than the OG Transformer. As in, if it were a choice between the Prime with that screen and the OG Transformer, I'd take the latter. In a heartbeat. Reading ebooks on #1 is painful given the dingy white background and the jagged text.
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I have a #1. It was good before the .33 update. now my colors look washed. My phone is much more saturated and truer colors.
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Note that I was able to use a #1 before and after the .33 and ICS updates, and at least as far as the temperature and text is concerned, there was no change. I can't remember looking that closely at colors outside of temperature (for example icons and such where the washed out colors are noticeable).
Given the adjustments that ASUS has been making with color relative to the Tegra 3, I wouldn't be surprised if the #1 screen + some adjustment resulted in even more washed out colors.
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So I got a replacement phone on the first. I complained about the replacement in a thread because it seemed to have a "warm" temperature display (I've always preferred the cool blue displays). Before I sent the old phone back which had the "cool" temp display I compared the two phones for about 4 days. The reason I'm posting this is because after comparing I actually prefer the "warm" color now.
I read some different posts about peoples preferences and a majority prefer the "cool". The ones who like the display "warm" colored described how the colors are more natural, especially in pictures and how the cool temp displays are more washed out but appear brighter at first glance.
Anyway, after comparing, I understand how and why a "warm" display seems like the better choice.
Hope this helps anyone who may be as picky as I am but can't decide.
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Does anyone have both the TF 101 and the prime? I had gotten a replacement from Asus, and I noticed the screen would wash out a lot more on an angle compared to my TF 101, So asus replaced it (the first replacement was a C30 and they replaced it with a C20 which actually has better wifi range than the C30 did) And I noticed again that the screen would wash out more when held on an angle than the TF 101 did. Now I dont think I got two primes with the same exact issue so now I'm thinking that maybe its just the way the TFP LCD panel is. So I was wondering if someone that has both a TF101 and a Prime if they can do a side by side and let me know. Put the same wallpaper on both devices, and also set the brightness to the same on both devices(I set them both to max, with IPS+ off on the prime). Does the prime get more washed out when held on an angle compared to the TF101?
Thanks in advance
Put the Prime in Performance Mode and then re-do your testing.
Its an auto contrast feature of the tegra 3. Seems to happen more in lower power modes. Search for contrast on this forum there posts about it but its a feature not a bug. Higher brightness and super ips mode are also ways to reduce it from happening.
Oh yea and the 101 didnt have this feature.
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Put the Prime in Performance Mode and then re-do your testing.
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I have it in performance mode and it still washes out more on an angle than my TF101.
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Its an auto contrast feature of the tegra 3. Seems to happen more in lower power modes. Search for contrast on this forum there posts about it but its a feature not a bug. Higher brightness and super ips mode are also ways to reduce it from happening.
Oh yea and the 101 didnt have this feature.
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Thanks, I was looking at that but wasnt sure if it was the same issue. I do notice the TFP washes out a lot more on an angle even when in performance mode. Since I got two replacements that were like this I'm thinking more its just the way it was made. When asus sent me the first replacement and I noticed it(I dont think I noticed it on my original TFP) I took a video of it washing out more compared to the tf101 when viewed on an angle. I'm pretty disappointed.. I have never seen an IPS screen wash out like that. It washes out on an angle more than my HTC Evo View(flyer) and that's not even an ips or slcd screen
Here are the links of the videos of the first replacement they sent me. This new replacement washes out the same way on an angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdQIbLpCLj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_SIoyhUEVs
I have both, and don't notice any difference except the 201's screen is much sharper and way brighter. I hack the 101 with revolver, and have left the 201 stock. Just got the GPS kit, and now get more sats with the 201 indoors! Too bad the GPS kit doesn't have a power jack. My 201 is a BCOKAS.
If those videos are accurately showing what you're seeing with the device in-person, then I would exchange the unit again. Mine looks nothing like that. Like others have said, the viewing angles on my TF201 are just as good as on my TF101. I'd say the Prime's screen is an improvement in every way, and I thought the original Transformer had a very nice screen.
What you are seeing is Light Bleed, you can search in XDA how to fix it yourself (you have to open your Prime) or return it to Asus. That is not how the screen should look.
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If those videos are accurately showing what you're seeing with the device in-person, then I would exchange the unit again. Mine looks nothing like that. Like others have said, the viewing angles on my TF201 are just as good as on my TF101. I'd say the Prime's screen is an improvement in every way, and I thought the original Transformer had a very nice screen.
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Yeah, thats the way it looks in person. I really doubt asus will replace it a 3rd time... I'm waiting to hear back from Hai Trat. I expected the viewing angles to be the same as well. when I wish I could remember if my first unit washed out.. I think I was too anal about the dead pixels it had to notice if that one washed out. But after getting the 1st replacement and the 2nd and both washed out like that and both were different batches (first replacement was a C3, 2nd was a C2) I figured maybe it was normal. Guess not..
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What you are seeing is Light Bleed, you can search in XDA how to fix it yourself (you have to open your Prime) or return it to Asus. That is not how the screen should look.
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Nope, it's not light bleed. That unit does have some but the video shows it correctly, when viewed on an angle the whole screen clouds and washes out. And this is the 2nd one that has done this. My tf101 has some light bleed and doesnt do that at all. This 2nd replacement I have (the video is of the 1st one) the backlight bleeding isnt as bad and it still washes out like that on an angle.
Hmmm....Now that I do a direct side-by-side...in a dark room, with dark backgrounds on both tablets...I do see more of that "glow" that you're showing in your videos. The image is still crisp, but there is a distinct white-out, glow kinda thing going on. Maybe not quite as pronounced as your video, but that could just be lighting, camera, etc.
I probably wouldn't have noticed without doing the side by side video to see if I could show you how mine was OK, lol. LIke I said, the image and colors are still crisp, but there is a bit of that glow over the image.
I almost wonder if it isn't the oleophobic coating refracting the light. It's definitely not just general backlight bleed. My Galaxy Nexus (which also has an oleophobic coating of some kind) doesn't seem to exhibit the same off-axis behavior, but the screen is OLED, is much smaller, etc, so it's hard to make a direct comparison.
Your videos did seem pretty pronounced though. At this point I can't comfortably say one way or the other. I still think my screen looks great. I guess you just have to figure out if you're satisfied or not. In comparison to my TF101, I'd pick my Prime's screen every time.
As more and more people around me got either an S9 or an S9+ I can't help myself but notice that half the displays look different from the other half.
Every AMOLED ever color shifts slightly under extreme angles (most noticeable on white backgrounds and high-ish brightness). The S9 phones tend to ever so slightly shift a little blue.
What is weird with some of the S9's I've seen, mine included, is that before the screen starts to shift blue it goes through a slight, almost unnoticeable, red tint. Those displays that do this seem to have a little yellowish warmer tones (especially on the whites) while the others that don't go through the red tint at an angle have snow white whites and seem kind of brighter in comparison, even. The latter type of displays obviously seem far superior to my eyes, at least.
Obviously all displays out there will vary slightly from each other - that's the nature of the display manufacturing process. But here we're talking about displays that are behaving in two completely different ways. It's hard for me to believe that Samsung, manufacturing the displays by themselves, might have two factories producing two different displays.
I was wondering whether your S9's go through the "red tint" as well so I could figure out if there were two types of displays out there indeed or I'm just imagining things? I'd very much appreciate your input.
If you're too lazy to comment then please, at the very least, give your feedback in this little poll I created over here - https://linkto.run/p/SVUGVNGR.
Basically, my S8 Plus' colour balance seems to look nicer than my M20Pro
I like my display a bit warm, even on the warmest of colours (In the settings) my M20Pro still looks extremely washed out and light / white.
Anyone else having this issue?
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Basically, my S8 Plus' colour balance seems to look nicer than my M20Pro
I like my display a bit warm, even on the warmest of colours (In the settings) my M20Pro still looks extremely washed out and light / white.
Anyone else having this issue?
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Settings>Display>EyeComfort>ColorTemperature
Turn on Eye comfort
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Settings>Display>EyeComfort>ColorTemperature
Turn on Eye comfort
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Thank you for the response, just tried this, still not getting the same types of colours compared to my S8 plus.
tomorrow I'll get my camera out and I'll try to show what I mean.
Just adjust it to the way temp you like. I liked the colder temp. The screen makes the whites on the pixel 2 xl horrible
I like my display as white as possible. So I like it on the cooler side
I am a little disappointed in the warmth of the screen. Yes, OLED means perfect black - but the screen is otherwise quite cold even when the 'eye comfort' is set to vivid & warm. In fact, laying this phone beside my 1st gen OPO (which was a textbook 'cold' LCD), they don't really look all that different.
Obviously Samsung tends to go to near garish, eye searing ends of the spectrum when you have things set to 'vivid', but my 10" Tab 2 is so juicy your eyeballs explode and dribble down your face. I wonder if this screen is simply cold by hardware design or if it would be possible through software to make things warmer yet. It isn't a deal breaker, but putting this thing next to an iPhone XS (which is also considered quite 'cold', explained insistently as 'more accurate'), the XS actually looks somewhat more juicy than this thing. I don't want accurate, I want to get radiation burns from the ridiculous over saturation.
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Basically, my S8 Plus' colour balance seems to look nicer than my M20Pro
I like my display a bit warm, even on the warmest of colours (In the settings) my M20Pro still looks extremely washed out and light / white.
Anyone else having this issue?
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This must be a defect then because the display is better than the Note 9 and S9 plus when its not going green. If you really need an unnaturally warm tone, it should be perfectly doable in the settings if your phone isn't faulty.
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I am a little disappointed in the warmth of the screen. Yes, OLED means perfect black - but the screen is otherwise quite cold even when the 'eye comfort' is set to vivid & warm. In fact, laying this phone beside my 1st gen OPO (which was a textbook 'cold' LCD), they don't really look all that different.
Obviously Samsung tends to go to near garish, eye searing ends of the spectrum when you have things set to 'vivid', but my 10" Tab 2 is so juicy your eyeballs explode and dribble down your face. I wonder if this screen is simply cold by hardware design or if it would be possible through software to make things warmer yet. It isn't a deal breaker, but putting this thing next to an iPhone XS (which is also considered quite 'cold', explained insistently as 'more accurate'), the XS actually looks somewhat more juicy than this thing. I don't want accurate, I want to get radiation burns from the ridiculous over saturation.
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What is it with people loving these horrible warm displays? Get an iphone x they have lovely yellow whites with truetone turned on. I wager you'll love that.
One interesting thing that most people aren't talking about is the fact that Samsung's new displays are actually TUV Rheinland certified for significantly less blue light emission (advertised 42% reduction), while still maintaining optimal colors and picture quality.
To me this is a huge selling point. Most people probably don't care, but blue light is shown to cause significant eye strain, and slow the development of melatonin in the brain., destroying your sleep quality. Just curious on everyone's thoughts about this.
Here's some more info if anyone's interested;
https://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-s10/design/
https://news.samsung.com/us/samsung...rp-reduction-blue-light-emission-oled-panels/
Samsung discussed it at their event. Reviewers/Youtubers and tech sites rarely comment on blue light emission. You'll come across more articles on how to kill Bixby! The Honor 8X was certified too, but few speak about it.
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Samsung discussed it at their event. Reviewers/Youtubers and tech sites rarely comment on blue light emission. You'll come across more articles on how to kill Bixby! The Honor 8X was certified too, but few speak about it.
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Didn't know about the honor 8x. Is that also a Samsung display? I'm curios to know exactly what manufactures use Samsung displays aside from Apple.
hope this doesn't mean the screen will be more yellow. I hate that. loved Samsungs bc of their nicer, bluer screens tbh. my pixel 2 looks nasty compared to my note 9.
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hope this doesn't mean the screen will be more yellow. I hate that. loved Samsungs bc of their nicer, bluer screens tbh. my pixel 2 looks nasty compared to my note 9.
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Blue-light filters usually make things yellow, but I checked the s10/s10+ in a shop and the display is PERFECT, the white levels are incredibly pure and it looks cleaner than my XZ1's IPS which I thought would have unbeatable whites when compared to oleds, that's no longer the case.
I always hated OLED but Samsung found a way to reduce its drawbacks while creating a super accurate panel, if you want to buy one last AMOLED device while waiting for Micro-led to be a thing in mobile, this looks like a very wise choice.
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Blue-light filters usually make things yellow, but I checked the s10/s10+ in a shop and the display is PERFECT, the white levels are incredibly pure and it looks cleaner than my XZ1's IPS which I thought would have unbeatable whites when compared to oleds, that's no longer the case.
I always hated OLED but Samsung found a way to reduce its drawbacks while creating a super accurate panel, if you want to buy one last AMOLED device while waiting for Micro-led to be a thing in mobile, this looks like a very wise choice.
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Didnt even know about micro led until now. Does look very promising. Hopefully we see in on the S12 if not sooner.
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Didnt even know about micro led until now. Does look very promising. Hopefully we see in on the S12 if not sooner.
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They're still trying to shrink it for the average TV size, I hope it will come soon.
Did some more research on the Honor 8x, it appears they are advertising blue light reduction with their "eye comfort mode" which tweaks the colors you are seeing. While on the other hand, Samsung is pointing out the 42% reduction from previous OLED's still maintains the same colors you're seeing. So based off that, the S10 is capable of reducing exposure without software tweaks.
It also appears that out of the box, the S10 is defaulted to the "Natural" color setting, and provides a "Vibrant" setting, which does increase color saturation. I wonder if the higher color setting changes your exposure by much...
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Did some more research on the Honor 8x, it appears they are advertising blue light reduction with their "eye comfort mode" which tweaks the colors you are seeing. While on the other hand, Samsung is pointing out the 42% reduction from previous OLED's still maintains the same colors you're seeing. So based off that, the S10 is capable of reducing exposure without software tweaks.
It also appears that out of the box, the S10 is defaulted to the "Natural" color setting, and provides a "Vibrant" setting, which does increase color saturation. I wonder if the higher color setting changes your exposure by much...
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Then the Honor 8x's solution is nothing more than a software re calibration tweak, I'm glad the S10 comes with a hardware solution that doesn't impact viewing experience.
But yeah using Vivid mode will increase your exposure to blue light depending on the displayed colors, I wouldn't worry that much, it is in no way as dangerous as the exposure to TVs, Desktop monitors or even daylight.
Can someone link to a bluelight study that shows its harmful. I lost my ebsco access when I left college. I always thought this was an overreaction. I've been staring at cool temp computer screens since the 90s, and my recent eye exam says my eyes are still perfect.
I've found the press release, but no peer reviewed papers.
http://utnews.utoledo.edu/index.php/08_08_2018/ut-chemists-discover-how-blue-light-speeds-blindness
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Can someone link to a bluelight study that shows its harmful. I lost my ebsco access when I left college. I always thought this was an overreaction. I've been staring at cool temp computer screens since the 90s, and my recent eye exam says my eyes are still perfect.
I've found the press release, but no peer reviewed papers.
http://utnews.utoledo.edu/index.php/08_08_2018/ut-chemists-discover-how-blue-light-speeds-blindness
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You can get peer reviewed content from google. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0194218
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4734149/
Glad to know I'm not the only one. I even wear reading glasses with blue light filter due to my extreme light sensitivity, so yes, totally big deal for me too
Pwm is for losers. Now Sony is also on the oled bandwagon.