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I finally haz za 4gz...after the anticipated release date of late 2010 early 2011 my college's location (haven't tried at home) has 4g. Long Island, New York Suffolk county for all who dont know...
good ****!! prepare for your battery life to plummet to hell lol
the battery can get worse????
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the battery can get worse????
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lol haha right
iitreatedii said:
I finally haz za 4gz...after the anticipated release date of late 2010 early 2011 my college's location (haven't tried at home) has 4g. Long Island, New York Suffolk county for all who dont know...
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Haven't seen you in a hot minute buddy. You been alright?
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Ha that's why I have the extended battery lol
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Haven't seen you in a hot minute buddy. You been alright?
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Yeah got myself a bike and been riding around a lot, work 40 hours a week and go to school 5 days a week...times been busy lol
We have 2 Evo 3d's and 2 Evo 4g's in my household and have no 4g in our area (btw I live near the capital of NY????). I've been paying for 4g for over a year on these phones. Highway robbery.
Also a friend of mine has the thunderbolt and gets great 4g reception. What gives Sprint?
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We have 2 Evo 3d's and 2 Evo 4g's in my household and have no 4g in our area (btw I live near the capital of NY????). I've been paying for 4g for over a year on these phones. Highway robbery.
Also a friend of mine has the thunderbolt and gets great 4g reception. What gives Sprint?
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Don't mean to be "that" guy but let me start from the beginning...4g is not in every area. Progression is being made throughout the country as we speak. The 4g fee you mentioned is a smartphone fee that everyone pays. You are paying for premium data which is a mandatory add on. It is required to be a customer. It is not a 4g fee. And to top it off Verizon is not sprint. Same thing with t mobs and att...different carriers have better/worse coverage in different areas. So yes I'm sorry you have no 4g but I was, including millions of other customers, in the same boat as you. Sorry for being that "guy"
Where in Suffolk? I live in Nassau, and dont see 4G yet, but I also havent tried in weeks... hmmm
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Where in Suffolk? I live in Nassau, and dont see 4G yet, but I also havent tried in weeks... hmmm
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Well like I said in still on campus, on the shuttle bus from the parking lot to campus, for sheets and giggles I thought id flip it and check. Sure enough speediest.net 8k ...I go to stony brook university
iitreatedii said:
Well like I said in still on campus, on the shuttle bus from the parking lot to campus, for sheets and giggles I thought id flip it and check. Sure enough speediest.net 8k ...I go to stony brook university
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Thats sweet! I live in Nassau, im at work in NYC, but will ask my wife to try 4G on her evo
Troll alert!! I'm gonna be 'that OTHER guy and say, wow! It's hard for me to understand how the USA has such mediocre 4G coverage. My Canadian carrier (Rogers) has 90% of the population covered by 4G.
What really surprises me is that Rogers has accomplished this without charging any sort of premium. The ten dollar fee they're charging you seems ridiculous to me... Are they justifying this by saying it's going towards upgrading towers? Enlighten me! I'm paying the exact same price now that I was paying for my older 3G device.
The other thing is population density. Canada has a tenth of the population of our southern neighbors, spread out over a much larger land mass. This means that Canadian wireless networks have a fraction of the customer base, compared to American carriers (thus a fraction of revenue coming into their pockets to perform upgrades) Yet, as I stated earlier, they've managed to get almost the entire populated areas covered.
Where I live, I'm far from any major urban center. It's unfathomable to me that people living in the heart of New York are being left in the dust!
I'm not saying this to be an arse or to one-up you or anything like that. I'm truly sympathetic. I hope your carriers shape up and get you guys covered!
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Troll? Really, smh
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Troll alert!! I'm gonna be 'that OTHER guy and say, wow! It's hard for me to understand how the USA has such mediocre 4G coverage. My Canadian carrier (Rogers) has 90% of the population covered by 4G.
What really surprises me is that Rogers has accomplished this without charging any sort of premium. The ten dollar fee they're charging you seems ridiculous to me... Are they justifying this by saying it's going towards upgrading towers? Enlighten me! I'm paying the exact same price now that I was paying for my older 3G device.
The other thing is population density. Canada has a tenth of the population of our southern neighbors, spread out over a much larger land mass. This means that Canadian wireless networks have a fraction of the customer base, compared to American carriers (thus a fraction of revenue coming into their pockets to perform upgrades) Yet, as I stated earlier, they've managed to get almost the entire populated areas covered.
Where I live, I'm far from any major urban center. It's unfathomable to me that people living in the heart of New York are being left in the dust!
I'm not saying this to be an arse or to one-up you or anything like that. I'm truly sympathetic. I hope your carriers shape up and get you guys covered!
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Hey I graduated from Stony Brook. They really got 4G over there now? So all the quads have it as well I presume?
****ed up that Nassau and the rest of Suffolk haven't seen anything yet and NYC is completely covered for the most part.
if htc unloads the bootlocker you can have 4gs anywhere to have root. thats why sprint doesn't wanna do that
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if htc unloads the bootlocker you can have 4gs anyway to have root. thats why sprint doesn't wanna do that
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I'll second that. I have know idea what that post meant...
iitreatedii said:
Don't mean to be "that" guy but let me start from the beginning...4g is not in every area. Progression is being made throughout the country as we speak. The 4g fee you mentioned is a smartphone fee that everyone pays. You are paying for premium data which is a mandatory add on. It is required to be a customer. It is not a 4g fee. And to top it off Verizon is not sprint. Same thing with t mobs and att...different carriers have better/worse coverage in different areas. So yes I'm sorry you have no 4g but I was, including millions of other customers, in the same boat as you. Sorry for being that "guy"
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If I remember correctly it was started with the original Evo. Other smartphones (my Touch Pro 2, and the Intrepid and Centro we had on our plan) didn't pay the premium. Then there were rumblings of a class action lawsuit because Sprint was charging $10 a month for a service that only a fraction of their customers could get. So then Sprint changed it to all smartphones, but we were grandfathered in on our phones until we changed to Android.
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If I remember correctly it was started with the original Evo. Other smartphones (my Touch Pro 2, and the Intrepid and Centro we had on our plan) didn't pay the premium. Then there were rumblings of a class action lawsuit because Sprint was charging $10 a month for a service that only a fraction of their customers could get. So then Sprint changed it to all smartphones, but we were grandfathered in on our phones until we changed to Android.
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Right on, thanks for backing me up, yeah bro I was on the shuttle bus from the south p lot and said what the he'll let me try, bam 4g tower and 8 mb service..., and that root post...well let's pretend who never even mentioned anything lol
Did anyone watch this? Saw bits and pieces. Looks like LTE in 2013. And 1x advance but no mention if EV-do rev b. If my facts are wrong feel free to cirrect me. This is just what I read.
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wonder what will happen to our phones if we continue to keep it after 2013. they've only said that WiMax will continue to operate through 2012 but not after -.-
Granted i know people would already be getting new phones by then but what about the ones who keep their phones for longer?
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wonder what will happen to our phones if we continue to keep it after 2013. they've only said that WiMax will continue to operate through 2012 but not after -.-
Granted i know people would already be getting new phones by then but what about the ones who keep their phones for longer?
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No WiMax will continue to operate, but it will no longer be funded, or have devices sold for it.
But, this probably also means if the tower catches fire and kills every thing, that it won't be replaced.
Equivalent of an analog base station dieing today, no sense it forking out the cash the repair it so the guy with the bag phone can connect.
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No WiMax will continue to operate, but it will no longer be funded, or have devices sold for it.
But, this probably also means if the tower catches fire and kills every thing, that it won't be replaced.
Equivalent of an analog base station dieing today, no sense it forking out the cash the repair it so the guy with the bag phone can connect.
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hmm that's interesting. maybe by then everyone will jump on LTE and the WiMax node won't be so congested and we get better speeds! thats a plus for users that will stay with their phones.
i do see myself staying with this phone for a while because of the great quality, kick stand, best reception and ofcourse SIMCARD! but i have to admit that if there will be a good phone coming out with a good keyboard i will get it simcard or not.
coming from a series of keyboard phones (blackberry curve, moto q, palm 800w, touchpro, touchpro2, samsung epic) its hard to get used to touch screen. i feel like i dont even use the phone for texting as much no more because touchscreen keyboard gives me so much typos.
They said they would continue to sell WiMAX products into 2012 so I can't imagine they're going to sell them one month and then drop WiMAX support the next. However, it did look like there won't be any expansion of WiMAX beyond what's there already so I would think if you were buying a phone next year you would want the new LTE versions. Again, referring to purchases in mid 2012, not now. The way they described the new base stations it sounds like they can support WiMAX, LTE and CDMA across multiple frequencies all in one tower (which is what they're trying to get to so they have just one network to support) - but I'm not totally sure they'll have WiMAX in their own towers. It's supposed to save them somewhere around $4 Billion consolidating their network this way.
They also stated that wherever they had 3G they would have 4G. This all sounds really good if they actually execute it.
BGR covered the event with a live blog. Here's the link:
http://www.bgr.com/2011/10/07/live-from-sprints-strategy-update-event/
I believe I also heard they will be rolling out Motorola LTE enabled devices in 2012 towards the begining. But who knows.
so if we get 1x at least we get voice and data at same time, now do our photons support this??
I thought I heard someplace that the phones released in the latter part of this year would support it. IE Evo 3D, Photon, Epic Touch. But I"m not sure how true that was.
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I thought I heard someplace that the phones released in the latter part of this year would support it. IE Evo 3D, Photon, Epic Touch. But I"m not sure how true that was.
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not really sure how much truth it has as no one has any concrete information if any of the wimax phones support it
From what I heard the Evo 3D won't support the LTE, so I'm guessing the Photon probably won't either. But I think they said it would support the 1X. But again, this is just some of what I was reading on the forums. So take that with a grain of salt. But sometimes the info on here is legit.
voice and data at the same time is a cdma limitation not the device, and the Photon does not support LTE. But it is still a killer phone
Personally, I feel a bit cheated. Sprint picked the wrong technology out of the gate and is now trying to catch up. I still have not gotten the WiMax they said would be here by now. Had an EVO since day one and have never been able to connect to WiMax on either phone.
I pay the same amount as others but don't get the same amount of services. For some reason it almost feels like something about it should be illegal. Just feel a bit taken. Plus, no guarantee that around 2013 when the LTE network is gaining ground something better won't pop up that makes LTE look like dial-up. Then, same thing all over again.
I think we all saw this coming one day. Wimax is not great and penetration is horrible. Moving to LTE is the smartest thing they could do. I don't like that my phone is officially obsolete after 2012 but what can you do. People are still buying phones that I consider obsolete right out the door. ie..Galaxy sII epic touch. I just hope when I am ready to decide on staying with sprint or leaving that there will be a market for selling my phone and I won't lose a bunch of money on it. I am not going to wait till the time nears.
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voice and data at the same time is a cdma limitation not the device, and the Photon does not support LTE. But it is still a killer phone
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well evdo - 1x advanced overcomes this limitation and that is where Sprint is heading in 2012, the photon does support evdo rev b, but not sure about 1x advanced
Guess we will have to see
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That was super long winded but had some good info to go and research. But we'll see what actually happens.
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can we get a cliff notes version there
Good info and thanks for the read.
http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2125
Wish this was here in Salt Lake.
Man, I can't wait for this in Houston. I should finally get signal in my office when they make this happen near me.
Thats nice and all but what are the speeds like...thats what I wanna know.
SolsticeZero said:
Man, I can't wait for this in Houston. I should finally get signal in my office when they make this happen near me.
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I second this. My signal sucks here by the galleria. I barely get 1-2 bars. SMH!
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http://newsroom.sprint.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=2125
Wish this was here in Salt Lake.
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Thanks for the contribution, good info. My anger is not directed to the OP, but entirely to sprint. This is such a bunch of BS. Sprint has this network vision crap, which don't get me wrong I am thankful for. It is pathetic it has taken this long to merely star the very much needed [complete] overhaul of their network
They spent millions to renew their sponsorship to Nascar. Which not only doesn't help existing customers, but brings in new customers which makes the network more congested. They should sink more money into the proliferation of better equipment for network enhancement instead. If your network is great it sells itself (I give you the Verizon network) instead of wasting money by sponsoring Nascar.
I see from this article that sprint CONTINUES to make bad decisions! I will give you a perfect real world example to illustrate my point:
Branchburg, NJ:
Population • Total 14,459 • Density 712.3/sq mi (275.4/km 2 )
Mesa, AZ:
Population • Total 439,041 • Density 3,536.6/sq mi (1,365.6/km 2 )
Phoenix, AZ:
Population • City 1,445,632 (6th largest) • Density 3,071.8/sq mi (1,188.4/km 2 )
Salt Lake City, UT:
Population (2010) • City 186,440 (127th in U.S.) • Density 1,666.1/sq mi (643.3/km 2 )
They are doing these network vision upgrades in the most illogical, senseless locations first?! The place they did this upgrade in a city with a population that is almost as low as the city I live in, IN ONE SQUARE MILE! My city doesn't have 4g yet! Your city, my city, and a very large city next to me have 10-100(literal) times the population, and 2-5 times the number of people per square mile than where this upgrade was done. What a terrible business decision, no wonder sprint has almost gone bankrupt. You should always do improvements to service how or where it affects the MOST amount of people in a positive manner. Branchburg, NJ should have been way far down the list. Sprint better start maximizing the number of people that have better servIce, and doing it the way they have been doing certainly won't achieve that! Am I right?
Sad Panda said:
Thanks for the contribution, good info. My anger is not directed to the OP, but entirely to sprint. This is such a bunch of BS. Sprint has this network vision crap, which don't get me wrong I am thankful for. It is pathetic it has taken this long to merely star the very much needed [complete] overhaul of their network
They spent millions to renew their sponsorship to Nascar. Which not only doesn't help existing customers, but brings in new customers which makes the network more congested. They should sink more money into the proliferation of better equipment for network enhancement instead. If your network is great it sells itself (I give you the Verizon network) instead of wasting money by sponsoring Nascar.
I see from this article that sprint CONTINUES to make bad decisions! I will give you a perfect real world example to illustrate my point:
Branchburg, NJ:
Population • Total 14,459 • Density 712.3/sq mi (275.4/km 2 )
Mesa, AZ:
Population • Total 439,041 • Density 3,536.6/sq mi (1,365.6/km 2 )
Phoenix, AZ:
Population • City 1,445,632 (6th largest) • Density 3,071.8/sq mi (1,188.4/km 2 )
Salt Lake City, UT:
Population (2010) • City 186,440 (127th in U.S.) • Density 1,666.1/sq mi (643.3/km 2 )
They are doing these network vision upgrades in the most illogical, senseless locations first?! The place they did this upgrade in a city with a population that is almost as low as the city I live in, IN ONE SQUARE MILE! My city doesn't have 4g yet! Your city, my city, and a very large city next to me have 10-100(literal) times the population, and 2-5 times the number of people per square mile than where this upgrade was done. What a terrible business decision, no wonder sprint has almost gone bankrupt. You should always do improvements to service how or where it affects the MOST amount of people in a positive manner. Branchburg, NJ should have been way far down the list. Sprint better start maximizing the number of people that have better servIce, and doing it the way they have been doing certainly won't achieve that! Am I right?
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They're more than likely doing it in an area that has already completely phased out the 800mhz push-to-talk network. Larger and more dense cities will take longer to get people to switch over, so it will take them longer to go multi-node.
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They're more than likely doing it in an area that has already completely phased out the 800mhz push-to-talk network. Larger and more dense cities will take longer to get people to switch over, so it will take them longer to go multi-node.
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I definitely see your point that larger cities take more money to upgrade, more equipment, and more time. However, that's just three more points to prove my point. Not only do you want more people enhanced the fastest, but you want to do the larger upgrades when the investment money is fresh, the cost and energy savings of the new equipment, the customer satisfaction, and ability for higher capacity means more profit to use to improve the network even faster.
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I definitely see your point that larger cities take more money to upgrade, more equipment, and more time. However, that's just three more points to prove my point. Not only do you want more people enhanced the fastest, but you want to do the larger upgrades when the investment money is fresh, the cost and energy savings of the new equipment, the customer satisfaction, and ability for higher capacity means more profit to use to improve the network even faster.
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I'm not really saying anything about the cost. Larger markets with a lot of businesses tend to have a lot more push to talk customers. They're not going to go multimode until they have at least 90% of their PTT customers converted. Otherwise, those customers would be **** out of luck and their PTT wouldn't work. Smaller markets had these customers convert quicker, meaning they can go multimode sooner.
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I'm not really saying anything about the cost. Larger markets with a lot of businesses tend to have a lot more push to talk customers. They're not going to go multimode until they have at least 90% of their PTT customers converted. Otherwise, those customers would be **** out of luck and their PTT wouldn't work. Smaller markets had these customers convert quicker, meaning they can go multimode sooner.
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Ok fair enough. So you think the purpose for this was mainly for getting dual spectrum running for Ptt, not really adding in the dual spectrum for future data needs/devices?
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Ok fair enough. So you think the purpose for this was mainly for getting dual spectrum running for Ptt, not really adding in the dual spectrum for future data needs/devices?
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I get what he's saying... smaller cities have fewer business using the OLD 800mhz PTT and can convert those iDEN towers to CDMA. If they did that in a larger city where thousands more people would still be using iDEN, That would be thousands more people whose service gets shut off and forced to upgrade. It's about pleasing current customers, not about money.
clear lake, woodlands all the suburbs of houston have ****ty signal....
its kind of ridiculous actually....
Ya I wish that Wichita KS would get 4g since sprints hq is in overland park ks. I been waiting since the evo4g
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Damnit sprint needs to put these all over NYC.
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clear lake, woodlands all the suburbs of houston have ****ty signal....
its kind of ridiculous actually....
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Kingwood is spotty at best too, I live up on Northpark by 59 and I get ok 3G but zero 4G which makes me sad as my old apartment in Atascocita got near flawless 3G and 4G.
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I'm not really saying anything about the cost. Larger markets with a lot of businesses tend to have a lot more push to talk customers. They're not going to go multimode until they have at least 90% of their PTT customers converted. Otherwise, those customers would be **** out of luck and their PTT wouldn't work. Smaller markets had these customers convert quicker, meaning they can go multimode sooner.
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Dunno how true this is. PTT will work everywhere till they shut off iden....which is stated to be supported for awhile nationally while they get their new ptt stuff out, so I doubt ptt is shut off in specific areas.
Think its more long the lines of them picking a place that meets all their test needs and partners too. Wouldn't expect them to be starting in NYC with this kinda overhaul. If somin happens more ppl r SOL. Better to get it up in real world elsewhere first.
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I'm not really saying anything about the cost. Larger markets with a lot of businesses tend to have a lot more push to talk customers. They're not going to go multimode until they have at least 90% of their PTT customers converted. Otherwise, those customers would be **** out of luck and their PTT wouldn't work. Smaller markets had these customers convert quicker, meaning they can go multimode sooner.
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Timing and location also comes down to regulation. Building or even modifying a signal tower can require long approval from various layers of government and residents/businesses, especially in more populated areas.
Sad Panda said:
Thanks for the contribution, good info. My anger is not directed to the OP, but entirely to sprint. This is such a bunch of BS. Sprint has this network vision crap, which don't get me wrong I am thankful for. It is pathetic it has taken this long to merely star the very much needed [complete] overhaul of their network
They spent millions to renew their sponsorship to Nascar. Which not only doesn't help existing customers, but brings in new customers which makes the network more congested. They should sink more money into the proliferation of better equipment for network enhancement instead. If your network is great it sells itself (I give you the Verizon network) instead of wasting money by sponsoring Nascar.
I see from this article that sprint CONTINUES to make bad decisions! I will give you a perfect real world example to illustrate my point:
Branchburg, NJ:
Population • Total 14,459 • Density 712.3/sq mi (275.4/km 2 )
Mesa, AZ:
Population • Total 439,041 • Density 3,536.6/sq mi (1,365.6/km 2 )
Phoenix, AZ:
Population • City 1,445,632 (6th largest) • Density 3,071.8/sq mi (1,188.4/km 2 )
Salt Lake City, UT:
Population (2010) • City 186,440 (127th in U.S.) • Density 1,666.1/sq mi (643.3/km 2 )
They are doing these network vision upgrades in the most illogical, senseless locations first?! The place they did this upgrade in a city with a population that is almost as low as the city I live in, IN ONE SQUARE MILE! My city doesn't have 4g yet! Your city, my city, and a very large city next to me have 10-100(literal) times the population, and 2-5 times the number of people per square mile than where this upgrade was done. What a terrible business decision, no wonder sprint has almost gone bankrupt. You should always do improvements to service how or where it affects the MOST amount of people in a positive manner. Branchburg, NJ should have been way far down the list. Sprint better start maximizing the number of people that have better servIce, and doing it the way they have been doing certainly won't achieve that! Am I right?
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Also, I think Sprint would rather test a less populated area, and iron out the kinks, than to do this to a large, densely populated area, where people would fill up message boards, make numerous calls to customer service should there be any issues. It's sort of like beta testing software. You release it to a small set of users, and work out the bugs before doing a rollout on a massive scale.
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Also, I think Sprint would rather test a less populated area, and iron out the kinks, than to do this to a large, densely populated area, where people would fill up message boards, make numerous calls to customer service should there be any issues. It's sort of like beta testing software. You release it to a small set of users, and work out the bugs before doing a rollout on a massive scale.
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This is actually a really logical reply, I shamefully hadn't thought of that before. There really is going to be that much testing required for hardware changes though? Seems a bit fruity to think their network engineers need a lot of testing when adding hardware. If this were more software I could easily see it, but the majority of the upgrade is physical changes. Seems silly to me
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This is actually a really logical reply, I shamefully hadn't thought of that before. There really is going to be that much testing required for hardware changes though? Seems a bit fruity to think their network engineers need a lot of testing when adding hardware. If this were more software I could easily see it, but the majority of the upgrade is physical changes. Seems silly to me
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To be honest, I don't really know if this is sprint's reasoning, but it sounds logical to me. But I can't count the number of times I've messed with my home network/car/home repair, to do things that, on paper, should be just plug and play, but I end up working through some issue hours/days later.
Edit: I do see your frustration, however. In the last 6-8 months, Sprint has had crappy service. Extremely slow "3G" speeds (more like 1X), and dropped calls/not receiving calls/etc. They finally fixed the 3G issue, so my speeds are in the 1.0-2.4 mb/s range, depending on when I run speed tests. But my dropped calls/calls not going through/not receiving calls is still an occasional issue, for both me, and the wife.
Sad Panda said:
This is actually a really logical reply, I shamefully hadn't thought of that before. There really is going to be that much testing required for hardware changes though? Seems a bit fruity to think their network engineers need a lot of testing when adding hardware. If this were more software I could easily see it, but the majority of the upgrade is physical changes. Seems silly to me
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This is hardware and software. both so yes they do need the testing to make sure stuff is running as intended on both fronts.
They both work together to allow the switching between the freq/spectrum's and make it easier for them to allocate how they see fit int eh future.
Hell yeah!!! http://www.tmonews.com/2011/12/its-...up-fee/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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GREAT!!!!!
You know how some people have seen 3G on some iPhones on T-Mobile?
You think this has something to do with it? You can check tmonews for the article btw.
Don't_get_too_excited...this_just_makes_a_sale_to_someone_else_easier.
DT_is_looking_to_sell.They_will_make_too_much_off_of_a_sale_of_TMo_to_NOT_keep_looking_for_buyers.
You guys think Google might try to buy T-Mobile now? I read that somewhere...
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You guys think Google might try to buy T-Mobile now? I read that somewhere...
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That would be sweet, but I don't see it happening..
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So when will all this take effect.. iPhone users with tmobile service have 3g service finally.
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So when will all this take effect.. iPhone users with tmobile service have 3g service finally.
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Only some in certain areas. However, it seems it is because of a "refarming" of the 1900 band, which kind of goes along with the $1 billion AT&T is giving (out of the 4) to DT in spectrum... If that occurs, T-Mobile could finally have the iPhone, whether some like it or not, and I think that's a no brainer that it would bring quite some more revenue.
I'm sorry I'm a noob and don't understand by refarming. I do know that att owns the 1900 band
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I'm sorry I'm a noob and don't understand by refarming. I do know that att owns the 1900 band
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At&t owns part of the 1900 band. T-Mobile also uses that band, along with i wireless, and many many providers around the country. (Including cdma carriers)
They are licensed for so much of that band. In mhz. The more the mhz, the more "room" they have. If they have 40mhz, they can refarm part for 3g and part for 2g instead of just using a little bit for 2g.
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Only some in certain areas. However, it seems it is because of a "refarming" of the 1900 band, which kind of goes along with the $1 billion AT&T is giving (out of the 4) to DT in spectrum... If that occurs, T-Mobile could finally have the iPhone, whether some like it or not, and I think that's a no brainer that it would bring quite some more revenue.
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There is no guarantee that the roaming agreements are between tmous and at&t, could be dutch telkom and at&t. Which would be an international roaming agreement. There is also no guarantee that tmous will see any of the 3bill in cash tk gets from the deal either.. We can only hope at this point, and wait and see..
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There is no guarantee that the roaming agreements are between tmous and at&t, could be dutch telkom and at&t. Which would be an international roaming agreement. There is also no guarantee that tmous will see any of the 3bill in cash tk gets from the deal either.. We can only hope at this point, and wait and see..
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The roaming agreements are for t-mobile usa.
This is the roaming info from the just released D.T. press release.
"The UMTS roaming agreement for the U.S. in T-Mobile USA’s favor has a term of over seven years and will allow the company to improve its footprint significantly among the U.S. population and offer its customers better broadband coverage for mobile communications services in the future. Population coverage will increase from 230 million potential customers at present to 280 million. As a result of the agreement with AT&T, coverage will be extended to many regions of the U.S. in which T-Mobile USA previously had neither its own high-speed mobile communications network nor the associated roaming agreements."
https://www.otciq.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=68986
Ah I see makes better sense now
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Unfortunately this isn't as good news as people think, tmobile is still only focused on the bottom line. I'm sure DT wants to get as much as they can out of tmobile before they sell it. It's a terrible environment to work in and it sucks for customers dealing with more and more out sourcing. There's a lot of negatives to tmobile just being abandoned by DT I was hoping it would go through. I'd just hate to see sprint try to buy tmobile I hate them and it would make all kinds of messed up network problems. There was talk about dish network being interested in a partnership I wonder what the hell that would look like. I hope DT would change there mind and try to compete in the US picking up the iPhone and building out network would go a long way for a company that has great prices and already great android devices.
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Unfortunately this isn't as good news as people think, tmobile is still only focused on the bottom line. I'm sure DT wants to get as much as they can out of tmobile before they sell it. It's a terrible environment to work in and it sucks for customers dealing with more and more out sourcing. There's a lot of negatives to tmobile just being abandoned by DT I was hoping it would go through. I'd just hate to see sprint try to buy tmobile I hate them and it would make all kinds of messed up network problems. There was talk about dish network being interested in a partnership I wonder what the hell that would look like. I hope DT would change there mind and try to compete in the US picking up the iPhone and building out network would go a long way for a company that has great prices and already great android devices.
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Well, if it helps any. D.T. Announced today they decided to consider t-mobile usa as "continuing operations" due to the failed merger.
Yea hope they do it was tough for tmobile to compete due to not having as much coverage as the big guys and not being as low priced as the little guys but I think this failed merger could help now with the coverage to make tmobile more dominant
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This is amazing news, I don't see Google buying tmobile since they bought part of Motorola something a company owning a wireless provider and a manufacturer. Look for the tmobile iPhone to come in possible end of 1 quarter or early second quarter.
I'm thinking DT won't sell now but look for a partenership with other company like dish network since they have some spectrum now.
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Can't disagree, but...
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Unfortunately this isn't as good news as people think, tmobile is still only focused on the bottom line. I'm sure DT wants to get as much as they can out of tmobile before they sell it. It's a terrible environment to work in and it sucks for customers dealing with more and more out sourcing. There's a lot of negatives to tmobile just being abandoned by DT I was hoping it would go through. I'd just hate to see sprint try to buy tmobile I hate them and it would make all kinds of messed up network problems. There was talk about dish network being interested in a partnership I wonder what the hell that would look like. I hope DT would change there mind and try to compete in the US picking up the iPhone and building out network would go a long way for a company that has great prices and already great android devices.
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While I can't really disagree with your premise, I have trouble agreeing with your wish that the merge went through. I’ve tried AT&T twice - hated their service, hated their customer service even more - and left them voluntarily (btw, I’m in metro-Detroit and my son is in LA, both of us had the same experience). Taking over T-Mobile no doubt would have resulted in a much larger coverage area for existing T-Mo customers (I have to roam onto AT&T networks at my cottage in Mid-Michigan, for example), but at the sacrifice of quality of service and the extreme sacrifice of customer service. Their contempt for customers, IMHO, is palpable. If you prefer the advantages that AT&T brings, and there are genuinely many, you can simply join them. But by destroying the advantages T-Mobile provides, again IMHO, it leaves a very large hole in the cellular system for consumers and absolutely will increase costs.
The problem now, I fear, is that this takeover attempt has all but destroyed T-Mo and I’m not very confident that it will survive in anything close to its current incarnation. Whether that’s a long-term improvement or not only time will tell. But I hate to see the decline in T-Mobile USA. They’ve been a very good provider for me.
BTW, the reason I even saw this thread considering the fact that I have a Touch Pro2 is that my current two year commitment is up in January and I’ve pretty much decided on an Amaze so I’ve been monitoring the Amaze thread for more than a month. I’m anxious to try my first Android device and all of you have only served to increase my excitement – thanks!
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While I can't really disagree with your premise, I have trouble agreeing with your wish that the merge went through. I’ve tried AT&T twice - hated their service, hated their customer service even more - and left them voluntarily (btw, I’m in metro-Detroit and my son is in LA, both of us had the same experience). Taking over T-Mobile no doubt would have resulted in a much larger coverage area for existing T-Mo customers (I have to roam onto AT&T networks at my cottage in Mid-Michigan, for example), but at the sacrifice of quality of service and the extreme sacrifice of customer service. Their contempt for customers, IMHO, is palpable. If you prefer the advantages that AT&T brings, and there are genuinely many, you can simply join them. But by destroying the advantages T-Mobile provides, again IMHO, it leaves a very large hole in the cellular system for consumers and absolutely will increase costs.
The problem now, I fear, is that this takeover attempt has all but destroyed T-Mo and I’m not very confident that it will survive in anything close to its current incarnation. Whether that’s a long-term improvement or not only time will tell. But I hate to see the decline in T-Mobile USA. They’ve been a very good provider for me.
BTW, the reason I even saw this thread considering the fact that I have a Touch Pro2 is that my current two year commitment is up in January and I’ve pretty much decided on an Amaze so I’ve been monitoring the Amaze thread for more than a month. I’m anxious to try my first Android device and all of you have only served to increase my excitement – thanks!
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It only makes sense for DT to try to improve coverage and market share for TMo US at this point. The AT&T deal had a big premium over what TMo was worth on a stand-alone basis, and it is highly unlikely they will see any offers anywhere near that now.
However, DT (and other German firms also) has a history of badly managing subsidiaries in the US (and even other EU countries), so I am not going to hold out too much hope that they will get their act together this time.
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While I can't really disagree with your premise, I have trouble agreeing with your wish that the merge went through. I’ve tried AT&T twice - hated their service, hated their customer service even more - and left them voluntarily (btw, I’m in metro-Detroit and my son is in LA, both of us had the same experience). Taking over T-Mobile no doubt would have resulted in a much larger coverage area for existing T-Mo customers (I have to roam onto AT&T networks at my cottage in Mid-Michigan, for example), but at the sacrifice of quality of service and the extreme sacrifice of customer service. Their contempt for customers, IMHO, is palpable. If you prefer the advantages that AT&T brings, and there are genuinely many, you can simply join them. But by destroying the advantages T-Mobile provides, again IMHO, it leaves a very large hole in the cellular system for consumers and absolutely will increase costs.
The problem now, I fear, is that this takeover attempt has all but destroyed T-Mo and I’m not very confident that it will survive in anything close to its current incarnation. Whether that’s a long-term improvement or not only time will tell. But I hate to see the decline in T-Mobile USA. They’ve been a very good provider for me.
BTW, the reason I even saw this thread considering the fact that I have a Touch Pro2 is that my current two year commitment is up in January and I’ve pretty much decided on an Amaze so I’ve been monitoring the Amaze thread for more than a month. I’m anxious to try my first Android device and all of you have only served to increase my excitement – thanks!
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The amaze is a great choice for android. The sense interface makes it a bit easier, but what i think is most important, is the amaze 4g supports both 850 and 1900mhz HSPA+ and tmobile. Most of the tmo phones that support at&t's bands only have 1900mhz. Consider this phone future proof in that regard. (Since im told at&t uses both 850 and 1900 for 3g/HSPA across the country)
So I just came across a story that I found interesting. Sanford C. Bernstein analyst says that bankruptcy for Sprint is "a very legitimate risk".
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120319-707703.html
That's what happens when u spend a billion dollars on iphones
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Perhaps eventually, but they are a long way from the total shutdown type of bankruptcy. At worst, they'll do a restructuring bankruptcy, but I don't even think it will come to that. They have made some bad decisions, but in the very important metrics of customer satisfaction and retention, they are doing quite well. A company can recover from bad technology investments (Lightsquared, ClearWire). When they start hemorrhaging customers, that's when you really have to worry.
animal7296 said:
So I just came across a story that I found interesting. Sanford C. Bernstein analyst says that bankruptcy for Sprint is "a very legitimate risk".
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120319-707703.html
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It's LightSquared's fault... That, and putting all their eggs into the iPhone basket. But to be honest, it hasn't had a chance to bounce back from it yet.
A lot of people have been thinking about this, but no one has wanted to say it.
Sprint will get bailed out if they were ever forced to close up shop. At&t and verizon are too big to be the only consumer choices.
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Sprint will get bailed out if they were ever forced to close up shop. At&t and verizon are too big to be the only consumer choices.
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This is true. Just as the government's been helping banks.
eXplicit815 said:
It's LightSquared's fault... That, and putting all their eggs into the iPhone basket. But to be honest, it hasn't had a chance to bounce back from it yet.
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it has 0 to do with the iPhone...They already stated they were on track for meeting the iPhone goals much much sooner than the deadline. I think over a year sooner than scheduled...
the thing is the analyst is missing some key things when he went on to spout about spectrum as that is NOT a problem for sprint with clearwire and also their own 800MHz LTE with 1900LTE they will be on par with Verizon at the least bit...
The one thing that is a little concerning is the maturities of the debt due in 2015...Doesn't give NetworkVision much time to show its wings and get more customers...Though with any other piece of debt they likely will not have much trouble rolling that amount to a later date paying a lil more premium...
I've been hearing this same tune every few years about Sprint. I've been with Sprint 11 years now, and to be honest I'm considering switching carriers for the first time.
Over the past 2 years my personal experience with their customer service has extremely poor. I've considered VZW but I have to take into account data limits.
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I've been hearing this same tune every few years about Sprint. I've been with Sprint 11 years now, and to be honest I'm considering switching carriers for the first time.
Over the past 2 years my personal experience with their customer service has extremely poor. I've considered VZW but I have to take into account data limits.
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If you've stuck around that long like I have then you might as well wait another year and see the effects of NetworkVision rollouts as they have already started and should greatly help most if not all issues like slow speeds and such...
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If you've stuck around that long like I have then you might as well wait another year and see the effects of NetworkVision rollouts as they have already started and should greatly help most if not all issues like slow speeds and such...
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Well I can say that personally from my experience with the "NetworkVision" rollouts that they have done nothing in my area. They completed 1 data speed upgrade and 3 data capacity upgrades (I live 1 mile from a sprint tower) and they have done NOTHING to help voice/data services. My phone actually defaults to roaming now, so I will just wait for sprint to cancel me.
If sprint wanted to avoid this they should've began their "NetworkVision" rollout before they launched the iphone...Hell they should've done it before they launched the OG Evo 4g. They had NO business having smartphones on their dumb network. Now they are scrambling because people are saying screw it and they are paying an extra $20-$30 a month to go to verizon or at&t.
I really, really hope sprint can make it. But from what i've seen from these tower upgrades they haven't made anything better in my area.
ronartest2005 said:
Well I can say that personally from my experience with the "NetworkVision" rollouts that they have done nothing in my area. They completed 1 data speed upgrade and 3 data capacity upgrades (I live 1 mile from a sprint tower) and they have done NOTHING to help voice/data services. My phone actually defaults to roaming now, so I will just wait for sprint to cancel me.
If sprint wanted to avoid this they should've began their "NetworkVision" rollout before they launched the iphone...Hell they should've done it before they launched the OG Evo 4g. They had NO business having smartphones on their dumb network. Now they are scrambling because people are saying screw it and they are paying an extra $20-$30 a month to go to verizon or at&t.
I really, really hope sprint can make it. But from what i've seen from these tower upgrades they haven't made anything better in my area.
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Those are NOT NetworkVision rollouts that your seeing on that website showing "data capacity upgrade" and such...those are mere lil band aid patches and should not be used in reference to what networkvision rollouts are...the NV rollouts involve a complete revamp of the cabinets and backhaul that will make dramatic differences in most of the troubled areas...
To put in perspective the backhaul changes are all being re-done to fiber or microwave based and the current backhaul is using the ancient bundled T1 based...
S4GRU.com has been putting up the rough rough schedule of the cities being done so far btw...
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xjman said:
I've been hearing this same tune every few years about Sprint. I've been with Sprint 11 years now, and to be honest I'm considering switching carriers for the first time.
Over the past 2 years my personal experience with their customer service has extremely poor. I've considered VZW but I have to take into account data limits.
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not trying to be rude. just making an observation. the majority of the time i hear of people with bad things to say about sprint's customer service it's from customers that have been with sprint for roughly ten years. i've personally had no problems with sprint at all, but i've only been with them for 2 years. is sprint just not that friendly to it's long time customers?
efan3719 said:
not trying to be rude. just making an observation. the majority of the time i hear of people with bad things to say about sprint's customer service it's from customers that have been with sprint for roughly ten years. i've personally had no problems with sprint at all, but i've only been with them for 2 years. is sprint just not that friendly to it's long time customers?
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no, people just expect more then the average person which is dumb in my opinion, it's like buying a car and expecting it to fill itself up for you, but if the gas pump is crowed then you should be ahead of everyone else just because you want gas -_-, i've been with sprint for 5-6 years now and my parents have been with them for 13+ i've never seen an issue and if there was, either i took care of it or i gave sprint a call for a simple refresh, people that complain about sprint service probably complain about their drinks being too cold at a diner -_-
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Those are NOT NetworkVision rollouts that your seeing on that website showing "data capacity upgrade" and such...those are mere lil band aid patches and should not be used in reference to what networkvision rollouts are...the NV rollouts involve a complete revamp of the cabinets and backhaul that will make dramatic differences in most of the troubled areas...
To put in perspective the backhaul changes are all being re-done to fiber or microwave based and the current backhaul is using the ancient bundled T1 based...
S4GRU.com has been putting up the rough rough schedule of the cities being done so far btw...
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Ah, I got ya. I just wonder how long (or if) for that matter sprint will do that where I live. Verizon currently has LTE here and it is fast, 20mbs down. But I am not in a large enough city that I think sprint will upgrade their towers within the next couple of years here. I really hope they do. Because I really don't want to leave for verizon. But it get tougher as each day goes by.
ronartest2005 said:
Ah, I got ya. I just wonder how long (or if) for that matter sprint will do that where I live. Verizon currently has LTE here and it is fast, 20mbs down. But I am not in a large enough city that I think sprint will upgrade their towers within the next couple of years here. I really hope they do. Because I really don't want to leave for verizon. But it get tougher as each day goes by.
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In my area VZW has LTE, USC is revamping all towers for LTE rollout, and Sprint still has about 100k download speeds. At the best I see 300k, it's getting old, it's been this slow for almost 2 straight years now. Unlimited....? Sure you can have all the data you can use, it's as slow as a dial up connection, but have at it,lol.
As far as the comment about Sprint meeting the iCrap expectations, yes they are meeting the expectations on selling them, but (and it was posted here somewhere) they are still losing money on the whole iCrap thing and will be for at least 2 years. Just because they're meeting the sales expectations doesn't mean it's making them money.
I was a fan of sprints until i.started consistently getting 70k down the past 15 months, hoping it would get better, hoping....hoping.....never happened. I'm willing to pay the extra dollars for the bandwidth on VZW. What good is unlimited data at a trickle? I'm out when this contracts up. I like sprint, really...but no data speed on a smartphone ain't gonna cut it.
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Ah, I got ya. I just wonder how long (or if) for that matter sprint will do that where I live. Verizon currently has LTE here and it is fast, 20mbs down. But I am not in a large enough city that I think sprint will upgrade their towers within the next couple of years here. I really hope they do. Because I really don't want to leave for verizon. But it get tougher as each day goes by.
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Where are ya located?
NetworkVision is going to be complete in a couple years, at least the tower upgrade and backhaul parts with most if not all being complete during next year...
They have already started up in NJ, Chicago, and a bunch others...I wouldn't pay much attention to the network.sprint.com site as the stuff there is nothing releated to the NetworkVision upgrades...
Just for an idea, those areas where you have horrid speed with great signal and its because the tower is over capacity...the backhaul change will make a huge difference.
Each T1 line is capable of about 1.5Mbps and bundles T1 lines is what's used now...microwave based backhaul is capable of over 1Gbps....each is going to microwave or fiber so that's a giant leap in capacity...
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Im sure Verison is happy...