So I just came across a story that I found interesting. Sanford C. Bernstein analyst says that bankruptcy for Sprint is "a very legitimate risk".
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120319-707703.html
That's what happens when u spend a billion dollars on iphones
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Perhaps eventually, but they are a long way from the total shutdown type of bankruptcy. At worst, they'll do a restructuring bankruptcy, but I don't even think it will come to that. They have made some bad decisions, but in the very important metrics of customer satisfaction and retention, they are doing quite well. A company can recover from bad technology investments (Lightsquared, ClearWire). When they start hemorrhaging customers, that's when you really have to worry.
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So I just came across a story that I found interesting. Sanford C. Bernstein analyst says that bankruptcy for Sprint is "a very legitimate risk".
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120319-707703.html
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It's LightSquared's fault... That, and putting all their eggs into the iPhone basket. But to be honest, it hasn't had a chance to bounce back from it yet.
A lot of people have been thinking about this, but no one has wanted to say it.
Sprint will get bailed out if they were ever forced to close up shop. At&t and verizon are too big to be the only consumer choices.
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Sprint will get bailed out if they were ever forced to close up shop. At&t and verizon are too big to be the only consumer choices.
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This is true. Just as the government's been helping banks.
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It's LightSquared's fault... That, and putting all their eggs into the iPhone basket. But to be honest, it hasn't had a chance to bounce back from it yet.
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it has 0 to do with the iPhone...They already stated they were on track for meeting the iPhone goals much much sooner than the deadline. I think over a year sooner than scheduled...
the thing is the analyst is missing some key things when he went on to spout about spectrum as that is NOT a problem for sprint with clearwire and also their own 800MHz LTE with 1900LTE they will be on par with Verizon at the least bit...
The one thing that is a little concerning is the maturities of the debt due in 2015...Doesn't give NetworkVision much time to show its wings and get more customers...Though with any other piece of debt they likely will not have much trouble rolling that amount to a later date paying a lil more premium...
I've been hearing this same tune every few years about Sprint. I've been with Sprint 11 years now, and to be honest I'm considering switching carriers for the first time.
Over the past 2 years my personal experience with their customer service has extremely poor. I've considered VZW but I have to take into account data limits.
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I've been hearing this same tune every few years about Sprint. I've been with Sprint 11 years now, and to be honest I'm considering switching carriers for the first time.
Over the past 2 years my personal experience with their customer service has extremely poor. I've considered VZW but I have to take into account data limits.
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If you've stuck around that long like I have then you might as well wait another year and see the effects of NetworkVision rollouts as they have already started and should greatly help most if not all issues like slow speeds and such...
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If you've stuck around that long like I have then you might as well wait another year and see the effects of NetworkVision rollouts as they have already started and should greatly help most if not all issues like slow speeds and such...
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Well I can say that personally from my experience with the "NetworkVision" rollouts that they have done nothing in my area. They completed 1 data speed upgrade and 3 data capacity upgrades (I live 1 mile from a sprint tower) and they have done NOTHING to help voice/data services. My phone actually defaults to roaming now, so I will just wait for sprint to cancel me.
If sprint wanted to avoid this they should've began their "NetworkVision" rollout before they launched the iphone...Hell they should've done it before they launched the OG Evo 4g. They had NO business having smartphones on their dumb network. Now they are scrambling because people are saying screw it and they are paying an extra $20-$30 a month to go to verizon or at&t.
I really, really hope sprint can make it. But from what i've seen from these tower upgrades they haven't made anything better in my area.
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Well I can say that personally from my experience with the "NetworkVision" rollouts that they have done nothing in my area. They completed 1 data speed upgrade and 3 data capacity upgrades (I live 1 mile from a sprint tower) and they have done NOTHING to help voice/data services. My phone actually defaults to roaming now, so I will just wait for sprint to cancel me.
If sprint wanted to avoid this they should've began their "NetworkVision" rollout before they launched the iphone...Hell they should've done it before they launched the OG Evo 4g. They had NO business having smartphones on their dumb network. Now they are scrambling because people are saying screw it and they are paying an extra $20-$30 a month to go to verizon or at&t.
I really, really hope sprint can make it. But from what i've seen from these tower upgrades they haven't made anything better in my area.
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Those are NOT NetworkVision rollouts that your seeing on that website showing "data capacity upgrade" and such...those are mere lil band aid patches and should not be used in reference to what networkvision rollouts are...the NV rollouts involve a complete revamp of the cabinets and backhaul that will make dramatic differences in most of the troubled areas...
To put in perspective the backhaul changes are all being re-done to fiber or microwave based and the current backhaul is using the ancient bundled T1 based...
S4GRU.com has been putting up the rough rough schedule of the cities being done so far btw...
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I've been hearing this same tune every few years about Sprint. I've been with Sprint 11 years now, and to be honest I'm considering switching carriers for the first time.
Over the past 2 years my personal experience with their customer service has extremely poor. I've considered VZW but I have to take into account data limits.
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not trying to be rude. just making an observation. the majority of the time i hear of people with bad things to say about sprint's customer service it's from customers that have been with sprint for roughly ten years. i've personally had no problems with sprint at all, but i've only been with them for 2 years. is sprint just not that friendly to it's long time customers?
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not trying to be rude. just making an observation. the majority of the time i hear of people with bad things to say about sprint's customer service it's from customers that have been with sprint for roughly ten years. i've personally had no problems with sprint at all, but i've only been with them for 2 years. is sprint just not that friendly to it's long time customers?
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no, people just expect more then the average person which is dumb in my opinion, it's like buying a car and expecting it to fill itself up for you, but if the gas pump is crowed then you should be ahead of everyone else just because you want gas -_-, i've been with sprint for 5-6 years now and my parents have been with them for 13+ i've never seen an issue and if there was, either i took care of it or i gave sprint a call for a simple refresh, people that complain about sprint service probably complain about their drinks being too cold at a diner -_-
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Those are NOT NetworkVision rollouts that your seeing on that website showing "data capacity upgrade" and such...those are mere lil band aid patches and should not be used in reference to what networkvision rollouts are...the NV rollouts involve a complete revamp of the cabinets and backhaul that will make dramatic differences in most of the troubled areas...
To put in perspective the backhaul changes are all being re-done to fiber or microwave based and the current backhaul is using the ancient bundled T1 based...
S4GRU.com has been putting up the rough rough schedule of the cities being done so far btw...
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Ah, I got ya. I just wonder how long (or if) for that matter sprint will do that where I live. Verizon currently has LTE here and it is fast, 20mbs down. But I am not in a large enough city that I think sprint will upgrade their towers within the next couple of years here. I really hope they do. Because I really don't want to leave for verizon. But it get tougher as each day goes by.
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Ah, I got ya. I just wonder how long (or if) for that matter sprint will do that where I live. Verizon currently has LTE here and it is fast, 20mbs down. But I am not in a large enough city that I think sprint will upgrade their towers within the next couple of years here. I really hope they do. Because I really don't want to leave for verizon. But it get tougher as each day goes by.
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In my area VZW has LTE, USC is revamping all towers for LTE rollout, and Sprint still has about 100k download speeds. At the best I see 300k, it's getting old, it's been this slow for almost 2 straight years now. Unlimited....? Sure you can have all the data you can use, it's as slow as a dial up connection, but have at it,lol.
As far as the comment about Sprint meeting the iCrap expectations, yes they are meeting the expectations on selling them, but (and it was posted here somewhere) they are still losing money on the whole iCrap thing and will be for at least 2 years. Just because they're meeting the sales expectations doesn't mean it's making them money.
I was a fan of sprints until i.started consistently getting 70k down the past 15 months, hoping it would get better, hoping....hoping.....never happened. I'm willing to pay the extra dollars for the bandwidth on VZW. What good is unlimited data at a trickle? I'm out when this contracts up. I like sprint, really...but no data speed on a smartphone ain't gonna cut it.
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Ah, I got ya. I just wonder how long (or if) for that matter sprint will do that where I live. Verizon currently has LTE here and it is fast, 20mbs down. But I am not in a large enough city that I think sprint will upgrade their towers within the next couple of years here. I really hope they do. Because I really don't want to leave for verizon. But it get tougher as each day goes by.
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Where are ya located?
NetworkVision is going to be complete in a couple years, at least the tower upgrade and backhaul parts with most if not all being complete during next year...
They have already started up in NJ, Chicago, and a bunch others...I wouldn't pay much attention to the network.sprint.com site as the stuff there is nothing releated to the NetworkVision upgrades...
Just for an idea, those areas where you have horrid speed with great signal and its because the tower is over capacity...the backhaul change will make a huge difference.
Each T1 line is capable of about 1.5Mbps and bundles T1 lines is what's used now...microwave based backhaul is capable of over 1Gbps....each is going to microwave or fiber so that's a giant leap in capacity...
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I finally haz za 4gz...after the anticipated release date of late 2010 early 2011 my college's location (haven't tried at home) has 4g. Long Island, New York Suffolk county for all who dont know...
good ****!! prepare for your battery life to plummet to hell lol
the battery can get worse????
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the battery can get worse????
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lol haha right
iitreatedii said:
I finally haz za 4gz...after the anticipated release date of late 2010 early 2011 my college's location (haven't tried at home) has 4g. Long Island, New York Suffolk county for all who dont know...
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Haven't seen you in a hot minute buddy. You been alright?
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Ha that's why I have the extended battery lol
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Haven't seen you in a hot minute buddy. You been alright?
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Yeah got myself a bike and been riding around a lot, work 40 hours a week and go to school 5 days a week...times been busy lol
We have 2 Evo 3d's and 2 Evo 4g's in my household and have no 4g in our area (btw I live near the capital of NY????). I've been paying for 4g for over a year on these phones. Highway robbery.
Also a friend of mine has the thunderbolt and gets great 4g reception. What gives Sprint?
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We have 2 Evo 3d's and 2 Evo 4g's in my household and have no 4g in our area (btw I live near the capital of NY????). I've been paying for 4g for over a year on these phones. Highway robbery.
Also a friend of mine has the thunderbolt and gets great 4g reception. What gives Sprint?
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Don't mean to be "that" guy but let me start from the beginning...4g is not in every area. Progression is being made throughout the country as we speak. The 4g fee you mentioned is a smartphone fee that everyone pays. You are paying for premium data which is a mandatory add on. It is required to be a customer. It is not a 4g fee. And to top it off Verizon is not sprint. Same thing with t mobs and att...different carriers have better/worse coverage in different areas. So yes I'm sorry you have no 4g but I was, including millions of other customers, in the same boat as you. Sorry for being that "guy"
Where in Suffolk? I live in Nassau, and dont see 4G yet, but I also havent tried in weeks... hmmm
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Where in Suffolk? I live in Nassau, and dont see 4G yet, but I also havent tried in weeks... hmmm
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Well like I said in still on campus, on the shuttle bus from the parking lot to campus, for sheets and giggles I thought id flip it and check. Sure enough speediest.net 8k ...I go to stony brook university
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Well like I said in still on campus, on the shuttle bus from the parking lot to campus, for sheets and giggles I thought id flip it and check. Sure enough speediest.net 8k ...I go to stony brook university
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Thats sweet! I live in Nassau, im at work in NYC, but will ask my wife to try 4G on her evo
Troll alert!! I'm gonna be 'that OTHER guy and say, wow! It's hard for me to understand how the USA has such mediocre 4G coverage. My Canadian carrier (Rogers) has 90% of the population covered by 4G.
What really surprises me is that Rogers has accomplished this without charging any sort of premium. The ten dollar fee they're charging you seems ridiculous to me... Are they justifying this by saying it's going towards upgrading towers? Enlighten me! I'm paying the exact same price now that I was paying for my older 3G device.
The other thing is population density. Canada has a tenth of the population of our southern neighbors, spread out over a much larger land mass. This means that Canadian wireless networks have a fraction of the customer base, compared to American carriers (thus a fraction of revenue coming into their pockets to perform upgrades) Yet, as I stated earlier, they've managed to get almost the entire populated areas covered.
Where I live, I'm far from any major urban center. It's unfathomable to me that people living in the heart of New York are being left in the dust!
I'm not saying this to be an arse or to one-up you or anything like that. I'm truly sympathetic. I hope your carriers shape up and get you guys covered!
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Troll? Really, smh
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Troll alert!! I'm gonna be 'that OTHER guy and say, wow! It's hard for me to understand how the USA has such mediocre 4G coverage. My Canadian carrier (Rogers) has 90% of the population covered by 4G.
What really surprises me is that Rogers has accomplished this without charging any sort of premium. The ten dollar fee they're charging you seems ridiculous to me... Are they justifying this by saying it's going towards upgrading towers? Enlighten me! I'm paying the exact same price now that I was paying for my older 3G device.
The other thing is population density. Canada has a tenth of the population of our southern neighbors, spread out over a much larger land mass. This means that Canadian wireless networks have a fraction of the customer base, compared to American carriers (thus a fraction of revenue coming into their pockets to perform upgrades) Yet, as I stated earlier, they've managed to get almost the entire populated areas covered.
Where I live, I'm far from any major urban center. It's unfathomable to me that people living in the heart of New York are being left in the dust!
I'm not saying this to be an arse or to one-up you or anything like that. I'm truly sympathetic. I hope your carriers shape up and get you guys covered!
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Hey I graduated from Stony Brook. They really got 4G over there now? So all the quads have it as well I presume?
****ed up that Nassau and the rest of Suffolk haven't seen anything yet and NYC is completely covered for the most part.
if htc unloads the bootlocker you can have 4gs anywhere to have root. thats why sprint doesn't wanna do that
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if htc unloads the bootlocker you can have 4gs anyway to have root. thats why sprint doesn't wanna do that
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I'll second that. I have know idea what that post meant...
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Don't mean to be "that" guy but let me start from the beginning...4g is not in every area. Progression is being made throughout the country as we speak. The 4g fee you mentioned is a smartphone fee that everyone pays. You are paying for premium data which is a mandatory add on. It is required to be a customer. It is not a 4g fee. And to top it off Verizon is not sprint. Same thing with t mobs and att...different carriers have better/worse coverage in different areas. So yes I'm sorry you have no 4g but I was, including millions of other customers, in the same boat as you. Sorry for being that "guy"
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If I remember correctly it was started with the original Evo. Other smartphones (my Touch Pro 2, and the Intrepid and Centro we had on our plan) didn't pay the premium. Then there were rumblings of a class action lawsuit because Sprint was charging $10 a month for a service that only a fraction of their customers could get. So then Sprint changed it to all smartphones, but we were grandfathered in on our phones until we changed to Android.
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If I remember correctly it was started with the original Evo. Other smartphones (my Touch Pro 2, and the Intrepid and Centro we had on our plan) didn't pay the premium. Then there were rumblings of a class action lawsuit because Sprint was charging $10 a month for a service that only a fraction of their customers could get. So then Sprint changed it to all smartphones, but we were grandfathered in on our phones until we changed to Android.
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Right on, thanks for backing me up, yeah bro I was on the shuttle bus from the south p lot and said what the he'll let me try, bam 4g tower and 8 mb service..., and that root post...well let's pretend who never even mentioned anything lol
To the folks who are claming that Sprint is throttling them due to there net speeds sucking or download speeds suck. They don't throttle. Prl update won't fix it. If your losing connection all the time dropped calls and your location has good signal normally and net speeds.
Then you probably have a bad radio hardware issue with the phone. This goes to rooted users too if you flashed your kernel right and rom.
A bad radio will cause all sorts of issues slow speed no connection lost calls. No matter what prl you use or network edit you try will not fix it.
Have Sprint take a look at it they will tell you if your radio is spanked. My first evo 3d had a spanked radio brand new outta the box a few other folks same thing. Anyways those that have issues may wanna get it looked into.
Will I need the sprint insurance for them to look at it and fix it? Of can they look at it let me know and then ship it off to my 3rd party insurance?
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Will I need the sprint insurance for them to look at it and fix it? Of can they look at it let me know and then ship it off to my 3rd party insurance?
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I would talk to them first if you have insurance your fine. If not they might do it for a fee or a 3rd party store.
i think sprint just sucks theres nothing wrong with my radio it pulls 2 mbps all day on verizon
Sprint just sucks.
My 3d moves slow during the day & blazing fast at night. It rarely reached 1mb+ but it's definitely way faster @ night! What is up with that lol
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Mine lately been no 3g or slow like rigt now i have to use 3g and 4g omg fast but im my home it only work in the laundry room grr
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i think sprint just sucks theres nothing wrong with my radio it pulls 2 mbps all day on verizon
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I was talking about the folks who our on sprint's network.
Using the 00001 prl data speeds are almost at 2 mbs down. With latest pro update its .08 mbs down. Its sad that I get better speed on another carriers towers. Sprint used to be alright, but they are seriously falling behind.
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Um I'm 14 I don't understand what you guy are *****ing about. Im old enough to remember dail up and you guys being the mature adults should too. You guys take everything for freaking granted. Did your parents ever teach you that you get what you pay for? My family has 5 lines on sprint and we pay $250 a month while on Verizon we would've had to pay over $400 so understand this. INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD IT IS JUST GET IT AND LEAVE US ALONE!
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Very true.
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KeithDavid1181 said:
Using the 00001 prl data speeds are almost at 2 mbs down. With latest pro update its .08 mbs down. Its sad that I get better speed on another carriers towers. Sprint used to be alright, but they are seriously falling behind.
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how about my ****ty 125kbps down alot & 0-75kbps up!
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My E3D has been fine with 3G data - it depends where you're at... I live in a state capitol, and we still don't have 4G. My gripe is with my Wi-Fi - cable broadband SUCKS. They can throw nifty catchwords like PowerBoost at us, but one thing is clear: cable broadband systems for homeowners in municipalities are still 'node' based - when everyone in the same neighborhood is streaming video or surfing, the bandwidth drops. I can't wait for a good 4G WiMax connection, or a VPN...
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I was talking about the folks who our on sprint's network.
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I think what he is referring to is the fact that in your original post you said it could be a hardware issue, which means that if its a hardware issue then the same will occur when on verizons network while roaming. The other poster is getting great performance with verizon so therefore it has to mean that sprints network is ****. And to be quite frank, sprints network is garbage right now and that ain't no secret.
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I think what he is referring to is the fact that in your original post you said it could be a hardware issue, which means that if its a hardware issue then the same will occur when on verizons network while roaming. The other poster is getting great performance with verizon so therefore it has to mean that sprints network is ****. And to be quite frank, sprints network is garbage right now and that ain't no secret.
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What I stated in the op was if your normal signal was fine normally and data was fine in your area. Then outta the blue WiFi was messed up disconnecting and signal kept dropping calls and nothin seemed to work on stock then your radio is messed up.
Sprint's data and calls are fine for me best signal ever.
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Um I'm 14 I don't understand what you guy are *****ing about. Im old enough to remember dail up and you guys being the mature adults should too. You guys take everything for freaking granted. Did your parents ever teach you that you get what you pay for? My family has 5 lines on sprint and we pay $250 a month while on Verizon we would've had to pay over $400 so understand this. INSTEAD OF TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD IT IS JUST GET IT AND LEAVE US ALONE!
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Uh, well as a 14 year old there are a lot of things you simply just don't understand, hence your clueless post(no offense). If you buy a new car and it breaks down, should I not ***** about it because we never always used to have cars? If I am at the airport and my flight is delayed should I not ***** about it because air travel wasn't always around? If my gps unit stops working should I not get upset because not too long ago we were all using maps? I hope you get my point, this isn't about taking anything for granted. As technology becomes more advance the more we depend on them to get through each and everyday. Also, in my examples these are all things that we pay hard earned money for, so if your a paying customer then you expect some sort of working service in return.
Who is paying the cell phone bill in your house? Obviously it isn't you so what do you care if something goes out, it aint your money and its not like you can go and walk into an att/tmobile/verizon store and get service. You are stuck with whatever your parents decide to get, and thats it. On the other hand I bet if one of your parents gets upset because of crappy service, they aren't gonna say well cell phones haven't been around that long so its ok. No, they will find another carrier to go and spend more money in the process for better service. Thats not taking something from granted, thats just wanting something to work as it should.
I have been with sprint for over 10 years(you know, since you were 4 years of age) and for the first 8.5 years service has been exceptional but the last 1.5 years has been horrible and it seems like its getting worse and worse everyday. I travel quite a bit for my job so whether I am at home in atlanta or any major city from atlanta to new york city its the same crappy service. In the day time 3g is laughable at best and it only seems to work fairly well from 2am to 4am when the network isn't as cluttered. How can I do my job effectively and efficiently if the technology I am paying for takes a step back? If I have to send/receive important emails or any other form of communication and I am late because of the slow network then that could cost me a lot of time and a lot of money.
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What I stated in the op was if your normal signal was fine normally and data was fine in your area. Then outta the blue WiFi was messed up disconnecting and signal kept dropping calls and nothin seemed to work on stock then your radio is messed up.
Sprint's data and calls are fine for me best signal ever.
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That may be true for a very small fraction of customers but its not a secret that sprints network is in the toilet right now, thats not my opinion thats a fact. Hopefully when all this network vision stuff is completed with sprint then their service will improve but if not sprint will continue to bleed customers more then ever before. Its getting to a point now that the extra savings compared to the other carriers isn't even worth it anymore.
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Uh, well as a 14 year old there are a lot of things you simply just don't understand, hence your clueless post(no offense). If you buy a new car and it breaks down, should I not ***** about it because we never always used to have cars? If I am at the airport and my flight is delayed should I not ***** about it because air travel wasn't always around? If my gps unit stops working should I not get upset because not too long ago we were all using maps? I hope you get my point, this isn't about taking anything for granted. As technology becomes more advance the more we depend on them to get through each and everyday. Also, in my examples these are all things that we pay hard earned money for, so if your a paying customer then you expect some sort of working service in return.
Who is paying the cell phone bill in your house? Obviously it isn't you so what do you care if something goes out, it aint your money and its not like you can go and walk into an att/tmobile/verizon store and get service. You are stuck with whatever your parents decide to get, and thats it. On the other hand I bet if one of your parents gets upset because of crappy service, they aren't gonna say well cell phones haven't been around that long so its ok. No, they will find another carrier to go and spend more money in the process for better service. Thats not taking something from granted, thats just wanting something to work as it should.
I have been with sprint for over 10 years(you know, since you were 4 years of age) and for the first 8.5 years service has been exceptional but the last 1.5 years has been horrible and it seems like its getting worse and worse everyday. I travel quite a bit for my job so whether I am at home in atlanta or any major city from atlanta to new york city its the same crappy service. In the day time 3g is laughable at best and it only seems to work fairly well from 2am to 4am when the network isn't as cluttered. How can I do my job effectively and efficiently if the technology I am paying for takes a step back? If I have to send/receive important emails or any other form of communication and I am late because of the slow network then that could cost me a lot of time and a lot of money.
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That may be true for a very small fraction of customers but its not a secret that sprints network is in the toilet right now, thats not my opinion thats a fact. Hopefully when all this network vision stuff is completed with sprint then their service will improve but if not sprint will continue to bleed customers more then ever before. Its getting to a point now that the extra savings compared to the other carriers isn't even worth it anymore.
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Well down south the speeds are fine. My first Evo 3d phone had some crappy data and signal was wiggin out seemed fine in other areas then would drop to nothing. Had it swapped out and everything runs fine no issues. I have been all the way to Michigan and to Flordia with no issues. So I have no idea why you folks complain about your data speeds. I know at times towers can get slammed but I doubt it would happen all the time. I would for the sake of things get sprint to check your phone out can't hurt.
Well it seems they are already starting to decommission some of the towers which have IDEN on them it seems.
They are using NO as a test base to then take the results of what happens there to apply nationally starting in April evidently.
This is good news as it shows that they might be willing to move faster than initially stated with the iDEN overhaul as before its always been stated to not start till 2013...This will save them money in the near future and hopefully just hopefully allow them to complete the iDEN transfer sooner than expected and re-purpose the 800MHz spectrum to CDMA(1xAdvance)/LTE...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/06/sprint-nextel-iden-shutdown/
http://s4gru.spruz.com/pt/Sprint-un...site-with-Decommissioning-Tower-Maps/blog.htm
that 2nd link is the original source to the engadget article btw. first time ive seen that site, though it has some interesting information in it.
Nice find man lol been reading up on Google about it
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Nice find man lol been reading up on Google about it
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yeah its not big news as in it doesnt effect us one bit but the biggest thing MIGHT be that they might be getting the whole spectrum re-purpose done earlier than originally planned.
Looks like Orlando, FL and surrounding areas starts June this year. BALLIN!
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yeah its not big news as in it doesnt effect us one bit but the biggest thing MIGHT be that they might be getting the whole spectrum re-purpose done earlier than originally planned.
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Sprint is always slow lmao I still don't have 4G in my area for 3 years none. Tho I think it has been longer than that lol.
thing that got me the most was looking at the map of NO and seeing how many freaking towers they have there. Hell im here in Raleigh and dont even show a 1/10th that many in such a small area. given they have 4x the population we have here thats a ton of towers there imho.
Thanks for the link back to our site. We were the original tech page breaking the story, and almost no one has referenced us except Engadget.
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Thanks for the link back to our site. We were the original tech page breaking the story, and almost no one has referenced us except Engadget.
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Hey anytime. like i said first time I've seen your site personally and ive been with sprint and around for a long time. Deff looks like you have some solid info.
Yey! !!!!
I hope are phone bill goes down as they start pulling out the awfully stupid decision to invest in a DOA technology like iDen....
Sprint should of gotten the hint: not even its creator [Motorola] wanted it!
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Yey! !!!!
I hope are phone bill goes down as they start pulling out the awfully stupid decision to invest in a DOA technology like iDen....
Sprint should of gotten the hint: not even its creator [Motorola] wanted it!
/sarcasm /rant
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ha whatever it was great if you used it. Had it way back in the day when I was in high school and managing an amusement park. everyone having nextel was great, no need for separate radios and all that. Tons of people use it in all sorts of industries esp construction. just more ppl use reg cells overall so the need for that spectrum is getting bigger.
Just think if Sprint didn't invest in Nextel, they wouldn't even have that 800MHz spectrum and they still likely would of been outbid for the spectrum VZ got in the auction long ago...
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ha whatever it was great if you used it. Had it way back in the day when I was in high school and managing an amusement park. everyone having nextel was great, no need for separate radios and all that. Tons of people use it in all sorts of industries esp construction. just more ppl use reg cells overall so the need for that spectrum is getting bigger.
Just think if Sprint didn't invest in Nextel, they wouldn't even have that 800MHz spectrum and they still likely would of been outbid for the spectrum VZ got in the auction long ago...
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Lol,
I don't deny it was great, but I sure don't think it was a smart move to purchase the damn thing. I've used it both for work in the military as for personal and those days were fun, I got to admit.
But everyone saw that IDEN was dead weight for sprint because of hosting 2 almost incompatible technologies, they were going to have a single provider (inflation) for network devices and radio equipment and IDEN wasn't being accepted as a world standard and operating in very closed markets; they should of invested in a GSM infrastructure & spectrum and they would of had their money worth something right now.
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Lol,
I don't deny it was great, but I sure don't think it was a smart move to purchase the damn thing. I've used it both for work in the military as for personal and those days were fun, I got to admit.
But everyone saw that IDEN was dead weight for sprint because of hosting 2 almost incompatible technologies, they were going to have a single provider (inflation) for network devices and radio equipment and IDEN wasn't being accepted as a world standard and operating in very closed markets; they should of invested in a GSM infrastructure & spectrum and they would of had their money worth something right now.
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So they would drop their current cdma spectrum for gsm?....that there is a much bigger turnover. I look at the Nextel buy as getting subs and spectrum. Without that sprint likely bought up by VZ long ago imho...
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So they would drop their current cdma spectrum for gsm?....that there is a much bigger turnover. I look at the Nextel buy as getting subs and spectrum. Without that sprint likely bought up by VZ long ago imho...
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I do agree with you, but I do see one big mistake on both Verizon and Sprint. Investing in CDMA technology shouldn't of been their priority. GSM is the global technology which has become the standard world wide. Many countries are starting to migrate completely, e.g.: Latin & South America, EU and more...
It's no secret that the USA is no longer leader in Mobile technology, we have an overall inferior network vs many parts of the world. The US should join the wold in the GSM standard and not resit it.
I've worked in the backbone of CDMA and GSM networks, the cost associated to maintain a CDMA network is higher then the GSM counterpart due to how modular it is and how expensive the interconnection and expansion equipment are.
Just my honest opinion.
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I do agree with you, but I do see one big mistake on both Verizon and Sprint. Investing in CDMA technology shouldn't of been their priority. GSM is the global technology which has become the standard world wide. Many countries are starting to migrate completely, e.g.: Latin & South America, EU and more...
It's no secret that the USA is no longer leader in Mobile technology, we have an overall inferior network vs many parts of the world. The US should join the wold in the GSM standard and not resit it.
I've worked in the backbone of CDMA and GSM networks, the cost associated to maintain a CDMA network is higher then the GSM counterpart due to how modular it is and how expensive the interconnection and expansion equipment are.
Just my honest opinion.
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Well the cost also has to do with the fact that b/c of so many people using it, that alone brings down general costs for things. Partially reason Sprint switching to LTE over WiMax is that LTE has become much cheaper to roll out now that so many other providers are on board with it....
when you worked in the backbone of CDMA networks you shoulda given Sprints a nice kick in the arse btw as they need it there.
So my wife is up for an upgrade beginning of April. She has an Evo and its running like a dog and battery life sucks. I call up Sprint and ask if I can get her an early upgrade. There response is "No", we can't do that in our system. So I say you will not offer me anything if I pay the $50 termination fee. You would rather lose a 6 year customer than offer an early upgrade? No wonder they can't make any money. Was I talking to an idiot or is that Sprints business mentality?
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So my wife is up for an upgrade beginning of April. She has an Evo and its running like a dog and battery life sucks. I call up Sprint and ask if I can get her an early upgrade. There response is "No", we can't do that in our system. So I say you will not offer me anything if I pay the $50 termination fee. You would rather lose a 6 year customer than offer an early upgrade? No wonder they can't make any money. Was I talking to an idiot or is that Sprints business mentality?
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Thats pretty much how it is.
I filed Attorney General complaints against them, I filed FCC complaints against them. I spoke to retention, wrote the office of the president.. I dont think I left any stone unturned.
Thats how I ended up here. I had an Epic 4G Touch and it was awful. Worst radio ever. All I wanted was a reset of my upgrade. I didnt get it. After months of suffering with a complaint failure of a phone, I bought a Photon out of pocket.
Im just waiting for my contract to run out and Im bailing. I may go back to TMobile. I had good luck with them and the customer service there was outstanding.
hell im buying out my contract and going to verizon. atleast i will get what i pay for.
it depends on the date you try to get early upgrades, they can do it, trust me, but if you fall within a certain time frame, they just can't, so just call back and see if you can get another person on the line, if they still give you lip, talk to customer retention *remember them, they are your friends* they'll work something out, especially since you actually want to stay with the company
I buy my phones at radioshack. They told me that usually they can get early upgrades approved if you're within 3 months of your eligible upgrade date.
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good info on the early upgrades! i have to say, i'm not the most pleased w/ sprint either. I live about 20 minutes from their headquarters and regularly get dropped calls from within my hope. their answer is to buy their in-home tower.. granted it costs money and you need internet service to run it (i use my phone to tether my internet so can't use tower anyway)
anyway, when all is said and done, i don't like the coverage, but the price is really unbeatable for what services you do get ... at least that's my opinion
also - they tell you to pay for the tower to boost your signal, but will give it to you for free if you threaten to leave due to poor signal (friends did it)
i know this is off topic but the reception thing is whats getting to me.. i just signed up for sprint today because they had the lowest deposit for my **** credit and i really wanted the photon. the phone should come in by saturday (i hope) but the reception reviews through sprint are both confusing and scary. a lot of people say the reception sucks worse than any other carrier but some say its the best they've had. also in may area some friends say they love the reception and free roaming where sprint isnt available (using verizons towers) and some say they barely get reception at all and if your not in a populated area you can forget about it. i have played with the photon out in the country FAR away from civilization. went through back roads and held a phone converstion for over an hour on the photon from the country all the way to the city taking back roads and it did not drop my call. this was just one area i know but still pretty amazing.
i guess the real question is.. how is the reception when roaming? i live in arkansas and sprints coverage map is pretty poor here with sprint coverage only in the major cities here and the rest is roaming. and like i said the reviews for sprint coverage vs roaming have been mixed. its hard to get an unbiased opinion because i do know that it has a lot to do with the phones radio and the basic phones which dont have as many frequencies as the smartphones
My problem with Sprint is the high bands that they are using. I never get Wimax indoors, and I often roam at work since it's underground.
T-Mobile uses high bands too, and Verizon is too expensive since they don't have a M2AM plan.
AT&T is actually the best fit for me even with their crappy costumer service. First Tegra 3 phone that comes out, and goodbye Sprint.
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I just did an early upgrade from sprint on 2 phone line,one was due to upgrade in june that one costed $45 and the one for july costed $55. and that's how i got the photon's. that was 2 weeks ago.
I find them to be all over the place. After going back and forth with the people at [email protected] I actually secured a 10 month early upgrade, but my wife's line that is out in April I had no such luck pushing for an early so she can get an iPhone. Even though it would only cost me like $35 to terminate her line all together they were willing to let her go than upgrade her. I think if you have a legit gripe (I did) and are willing to go the distance with them (took me 2 months) then you have a good chance at success. But, in the case of my wifes line where I just wanted an early upgrade, no such luck.
I always recommend emailing your concerns to [email protected]. Some one will call you back directly and then you will have a direct number to call back. This way you open a dialog with one rep.
I'm an 8 year sprint customer. I've lived and worked in the same place since I've signed up. The last 6 to 8 months, signal has been awful. Pretty much coinciding with the arrival of the iphone.
I guess quickly signing up almost 1 million new subscribers has taken a toll on bandwidth.
I bet they will get through this in 6 months to a year, but it sucks horrible now.
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I'm an 8 year sprint customer. I've lived and worked in the same place since I've signed up. The last 6 to 8 months, signal has been awful. Pretty much coinciding with the arrival of the iphone.
I guess quickly signing up almost 1 million new subscribers has taken a toll on bandwidth.
I bet they will get through this in 6 months to a year, but it sucks horrible now.
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this is why i hate the icrap, but some people are too "dumb" to realize that the phone is a huge waste of money
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this is why i hate the icrap, but some people are too "dumb" to realize that the phone is a huge waste of money
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Wait, how is it a waste of money? iPhone destroys any Android phone in build quality/software besides the fact that it's such a closed ass system.
Only thing that might top the software is Blackberry, when they release QNX to smartphones and make more powerful phones, cause they're really lacking in that department.
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Jeff_in_LA said:
I'm an 8 year sprint customer. I've lived and worked in the same place since I've signed up. The last 6 to 8 months, signal has been awful. Pretty much coinciding with the arrival of the iphone.
I guess quickly signing up almost 1 million new subscribers has taken a toll on bandwidth.
I bet they will get through this in 6 months to a year, but it sucks horrible now.
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My parents/family has been with sprint since before I was born, I am 22 years old now. And we don't get special treatment from sprint, the only way to upgrade early is if its the main line. The signal sucks in my city/county as well.
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Wait, how is it a waste of money? iPhone destroys any Android phone in build quality/software besides the fact that it's such a closed ass system.
Only thing that might top the software is Blackberry, when they release QNX to smartphones and make more powerful phones, cause they're really lacking in that department.
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My parents/family has been with sprint since before I was born, I am 22 years old now. And we don't get special treatment from sprint, the only way to upgrade early is if its the main line. The signal sucks in my city/county as well.
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i look at a phone as a long term investment, if i can't get the most out of something that cost 200-300 bucks that i will be stuck with for 2 years tops, it's a huge waste in my opinion, that's like buying a car and your not able to add all your accessories and spoilers to get the most out of something that's gonna be with you for a while, that's why i stick with android, blackberry is for businesses hands down, can't argue with that, so most people that get the icrap are just isheep or they refuse to spend money wisely...IN MY OPINION
NVM, this is going to become a heated debate. Either of these phones being better than one another is subjective, I personally thing, for my needs, iPhone is better, but I got this Motorola Photon for $250 off contract and I'm really enjoying it.
I got a free early upgrade because I had the Evo and kept replacing them. So I know if you are having issues you can get an upgrade that way.
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/16/sprint-cancelling-early-upgrades/
(memo is in the link above)
Like dominoes, Sprint's consumer-friendly policies continue to fall one at a time. Citing "high costs," the Now Network will begin discontinuing its practice of allowing customers to upgrade their phone 10-14 days prior to the official date of eligibility. According to the memo leaked by TechnoBuffalo, the program will cease to exist as of June 1st. It sounds like this policy change is an unfortunate consequence of the company's large investments in iPhones and its still-dormant LTE network. It may not be enough to convince many Sprint customers to jump ship, but this isn't the first cost-cutting measure put forth by Dan Hesse's team -- and we have a hard time believing it will be the last. We've reached out to Sprint for official comment and will update you as soon as we have word.
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Next thing you know they will start limiting data...
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not sure why this is that big of a deal? is that really that much of an incentive?
unless your early eligibility window directly coincided with a major phone release (like the iphone5 which i hear has the same cloaking capability as Predator and is run by cold fusion with a display that beams directly to your brain) and you HAVE to be the first one to get it...then who cares if you have to wait until you are actually eligible for the upgrade to get it??
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Next thing you know they will start limiting data...
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Not happening
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You waited 20+ months, what is another 10-14 days?
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Not happening
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Yes it will definitely happen at some point. everywhere the iPhone goes eliminates the "unlimited Data Plan".
Verizon today also said that they're no longer allowing people to be grandfathered in. So no unlimited for anyone.
But i agree, this isn't that big of news too me but it is somewhat heartbreaking to see. First they destroyed the Premiere Members plan and now this.
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IMO that'd be their kiss of death. It's the ONLY advantage they have compared to ATT and VZ. With all the other niggling changes (the change in how discounts are applied, the change in how shared plans are accounted for, etc) they are barely ahead of VZ in price for me (4 4G phones - what where's 4g?? - and 1 basic phone, and i can get away with 4gb data most months no problem) and if the network doesn't get better, i'm gone, let alone how fast I'd bail if they limited their unlimited...
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Yes it will definitely happen at some point. everywhere the iPhone goes eliminates the "unlimited Data Plan".
Verizon today also said that they're no longer allowing people to be grandfathered in. So no unlimited for anyone.
But i agree, this isn't that big of news too me but it is somewhat heartbreaking to see. First they destroyed the Premiere Members plan and now this.
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here's an idea - TIER THE ISHEEP
leave us real smartphone users alone and limit/tier/throttle the iSheep users.
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IMO that'd be their kiss of death. It's the ONLY advantage they have compared to ATT and VZ. With all the other niggling changes (the change in how discounts are applied, the change in how shared plans are accounted for, etc) they are barely ahead of VZ in price for me (4 4G phones - what where's 4g?? - and 1 basic phone, and i can get away with 4gb data most months no problem) and if the network doesn't get better, i'm gone, let alone how fast I'd bail if they limited their unlimited...
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here's an idea - TIER THE ISHEEP
leave us real smartphone users alone and limit/tier/throttle the iSheep users.
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I still do not believe that iPhone has made connection slow for others and Sprint has said (if their truth to it or not) that iPhone has not slowed down data speeds for us other phones.
iPhone is not the problem, it's people who are with VZW who obviously don't mind paying a premiere price for their phone bills. Sprint is playing catch up with these other companies and becoming more and more of a elite company. no more of this VZW>ATT>SPRINT crap. they will be the 3 headed monsters in due time
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You waited 20+ months, what is another 10-14 days?
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True but reverse the question, does it hurt Sprint to keep something that small of a perk?
It probably cost more money to update the staff & the system on the few minutes they took to address it.
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Joey_UFC said:
Yes it will definitely happen at some point. everywhere the iPhone goes eliminates the "unlimited Data Plan".
Verizon today also said that they're no longer allowing people to be grandfathered in. So no unlimited for anyone.
But i agree, this isn't that big of news too me but it is somewhat heartbreaking to see. First they destroyed the Premiere Members plan and now this.
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With the burden that is iPhone I think sprint would dump the ifrown before the only ace sprint has
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Next thing you know they will start limiting data...
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Very possible it will. I've read an article (PCWorld, I think it was) that explained it clearly. Each carrier purchases/rents a certain amount of data spectrum. Verizon and AT&T started throttling and limiting data because usage on their respective spectrums were getting close to the limit. NOW, taking that into consideration, Sprint very literally owns/rents half of the spectrum that Verizon and AT&T do. So, what does that tell you? Eventually, even though they are not ready to state it publicly, chances are Sprint will abandon unlimited data.
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See above.
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True story, sir.
The thing is that Sprint always releases their flagship HTC phone in about the middle of May. Many people's upgrade date is June 1st, so that 14 days allows people who want to upgrade have the ability too pre-order. Now I hope that Sprint and HTC work together and make their flagship phone released on June 1st.
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Honestly guys do you really think the Iphone is what pulls in the data? I'll give you an example. With my evo 3D, I pulled in over 9GB's last month on 3G and a little 4G(no torrenting) but both of my sisters own the iphone and they used 4 GB's together on our shared plan. One is somewhat tech-savvy but is on it constantly while the other uses it mainly for phone and pandora. Most iphone users don't know how to rape the unlimited data plans like I do. It's only going to be unlimited for so long so why not use it up. You want to complain you should complain to the average user on this site. We are the people using up the data not most of the iphone users.
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Honestly guys do you really think the Iphone is what pulls in the data? I'll give you an example. With my evo 3D, I pulled in over 9GB's last month on 3G and a little 4G(no torrenting) but both of my sisters own the iphone and they used 4 GB's together on our shared plan. One is somewhat tech-savvy but is on it constantly while the other uses it mainly for phone and pandora. Most iphone users don't know how to rape the unlimited data plans like I do. It's only going to be unlimited for so long so why not use it up. You want to complain you should complain to the average user on this site. We are the people using up the data not most of the iphone users.
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I'd rather not look at it as a "use as much as I can while it's still free" situation. If I need to download something significant, I'll use my home computer on broadband. I rarely download new ROMs directly with my phone. I'd rather not contribute to Sprint even having to consider throttling by only downloading what I need to with my phone so I can use more when I really have to.
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I'd rather not look at it as a "use as much as I can while it's still free" situation. If I need to download something significant, I'll use my home computer on broadband. I rarely download new ROMs directly with my phone. I'd rather not contribute to Sprint even having to consider throttling by only downloading what I need to with my phone so I can use more when I really have to.
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sprint shouldn't consider throttling because people are downloading things with their phone, thats the whole point of havnig an unlimited data plan, to not have to nit pick when and which files to download
it'd be different if i was downloading movies to my phone, to then transfer to my computer instead of just using my computers broadband, but why wouldn't a user with unlimited data download a file through the phone, when the file is for the phone?
lets all stop streaming music also, i mean we could download it with our computers, then transfer it to our phones, then make a playlist, that'd save sprint from having to throttle!
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VZW>ATT>SPRINT crap. they will be the 3 headed monsters in due time
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How do you fit a gsm head on a cdma dragon body?
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