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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
parson33 said:
What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
Asus got its own perks... and besides viewing angles this tablet is doing what I need. I see no other issues unless you have to have HC OS.
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
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How does this help him? Buy an Asus, ipad, xoom or whatever the flavor of the week is?
The dev community and the price tag make the g tablet a win. If you were forced to run stock that's a different story.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
thebadfrog said:
Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Don't forget to mention that the touchscreen itself is a pain - hardly multi-touch at all.....
thebadfrog said:
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
thebadfrog said:
Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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All nice...but...none of this is what the OP asked. He/She wanted to know was this a good purchase at a good price. I'm sure he/she saw other tablets on the market and shopped within budget. There's always a step up you can spring for, show me a better tablet at or under $300.00 and I'll recant.
Should I buy the BMW, why not the Mercedes.
I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
parson33 said:
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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I believe my response answered the OP
schettj said:
If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
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is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
Quality is everything to me, my Xoom does everything I need and it's stable, plus it will most likely get regular updates to issues and featurees. Still, it looks like a great tablet compared the Galaxy Tab.
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jerdog said:
There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
lrs421 said:
Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Well that's good news. Enjoy, they're pretty much gone and many stores stopped accepting back orders.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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I didn't seriously consider any tablet when they were 400 dollars or over. I would buy an Asus down the line (when it is close to obsolete) when it hits 299.99 or lower.
However I was not aware Viewsonic did not support the G-Tablet very well. Is support in this forum from developers going to dry up in the next year? If I could get year out of this tablet I would be happy. Obviously I hoping for Gingerbread. Or Honeycomb rather? I am a newbie. (can't you tell?)
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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lrs421 said:
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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There are different factors too.... Look at the Nexus One. Still getting updates (albeit it's Google's), but TMobile is still pushing updates for the myTouch.... The Evo is 1yr old. Others are older and still getting development from the community at-large. A company's willingness to be open to the community contributes as well....
I recall about a month and a half ago, all of the xda peeps getting together and raising a big stink against viewsonic and nvidia about not supporting our choice of tablets, I also recall them saying that they were going to continue to support the tablet from that point on.
Well...... I haven't seen much from either of them and it seems that this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
First and foremost, this should not be in the development forum as it has nothing to do with development, it should be in General or Q/A.
To comment on your post, yes, we are probably **** out of luck.
Roxxas049 said:
this community is content to sit back and and get fed a load of crap from 2 companies that should have better track records for customer service than they have shown us.
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It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
schettj said:
It's called acceptance. I believe it's stage 5 of the grieving process.
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LOL ! ! RIP GTAB
actually there may be little stink becuase some people have realized that we dont' need VS to provide us what we need. They let the 1.2 bootloader out of hte bag, then closed the bag back up, rather quickly. The 1.2 bootloader is the same bootloader that Notion Ink uses on the Adam, also produced by Malata, also with the Tegra 2 Harmony hardware, and now also with the same bootloader as the G-Tablet.
So, since we've accepted that VS is going to be the proverbial dead beat dad, we've noticed that Notion Ink is a tad more responsible. So, what dad won't provide, maybe we can get from stepdad.
It's rumored that Notion Ink is getting an official GB update, with drivers from Nvidea. All VS had to do was make it possible for G-Tablet devs to port roms from Adam (done with 1.2 bootloader) and tada, they no longer need to support the device, because they can rely on others to do it for them.
We'd like them to continue providing updates, or at least admit that we are still here, but we don't necessarily NEED them to do it anymore.
Roxxas049 said:
What gives? are we dead in the water? Did they just say enough to appease us in hopes that we would just go away? Are we just going to sit here and keep saying to ourselves that something is "coming soon"?
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There are new and fresh ROMs around for the tablet. Our "community" is fairly large and crosses many forums.
are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
lgkahn said:
are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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Just have a look around. Roebeet is working on a HC port. Adam evs have begun working on a port for HC, and Roe is working on fixing the bugs to make it work on the G-Tablet. It's still in Alpha versions, but has caused some pretty big waves in the community...but, video drivers are proviing to be the deal breaker there right now, too.
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are there any honeycomb roms yet?
or any gb roms that dont disable the hardware video acceleration?
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The CM7.1 nightlies are GB and have some hardware acceleration built-in now.
Sorry about posting in rom dev. I always check here first and was saddened by the lack of new items coming in.
It isn't just the software that I'm speaking of, what about all the hardware that other tablet vendors have available the docking stations actually made for their tablets, the cases and covers that fit without any modifications.
I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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I went into a "tech" store the other day, won't mention which one, and when I explained that I already had a VS tablet the salesperson actually said.. "Well we sell real android tablets here so let me know if you want to talk about what we have in stock."
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That sounds like a sales pitch to me. Just because some people don't realize the potential of a product, doesn't make that product extinct.
My buyer's remorse is increasing...
They had 7" Galaxy Tabs on Woot.com for $260 yesterday. I wish I knew they were going to be lowered in price so much in anticipation of the 10" version coming soon, because I would gladly have bought one of these instead...
I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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+1
Just becuase it doesn't have the latest and greatest that a $800.00 tablet has, it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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I would take my gtab over a 7" galaxy tab anyday.
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Seriously ! Samsung is just as bad as VS when it comes to support in any way. Be happy with your purchase and in a year get a transformer when the price drops to 250 and it already has a fat stack of roms to play with.
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...it does exactly what I want and I knew what I was getting into when I bought mine from WOOT.
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+1
I read about it quite a bit here prior to my purchase and knew that I'd be able to at least get it rocking a solid and clean froyo.. If I can get GB and/or HC on it eventually that's just icing on the cake for me.. (I say eventually, because I won't jump until hw vid accel is nearly 100%)
-Xith
I look forward to kalel and the ice cream sandwich future. The only thing interesting to me in honeycomb are the pinch more tablet specific apps and the new 3.1 usb compatibility.
I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
as far as hardware and accessories, you'll just never get that with ANY android tablet. sure, you'll get some things from the manufacturer, like our dock, and official tablet, but there just isn't anything pushing third party vendors to make products specific to any android tablet. The main reason is that each tablet is just so different.
If we are going ot bite the bullet and insist n NOT getting an iThing, then we have ot accept that we won't have as many iAccessories or iDocks, or iCases, etc.
I bought a zune...2 of them actually, knowing that I wouldn't be able ot use any of the plethora of accessories that were made for the iPod.
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I hate to sponsor another site but you should go check out www.slatedroid.com Roebeet is there releasing tons of roms for this beast. I don't know why you are complaining unless you paid the full 499 or whatever price these tabs normally sell for. I picked mine up for 299 and haven't looked back. OCed to 1.4 ghz brilliant corners rom is running perfectly it ran great at stock too. Im getting between 3800 and 4100 in quadrant I have yet to get below a 3800. It runs all my games fine flash 10.3 and full market access. Its exactly what I want.
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No Netflix.
This is a placeholder post.
So jazzed to see what is possible with this device!
I'm on board!
Have any dev's commited to developing for Nook Tablet?
Drewmungus said:
Have any dev's commited to developing for Nook Tablet?
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I'm wondering the same thing. I'm looking at purchasing my first tablet and I'm having a hard time choosing between the KF and the NT.
DangKid said:
I'm wondering the same thing. I'm looking at purchasing my first tablet and I'm having a hard time choosing between the KF and the NT.
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Same here, one of those two is going to be my first tablet. I have no intention of keeping either stock though, so the dev community is going to make or break it for me. I've heard nothing but good things about the original Nook Color community so I'm leaning way more towards a Nook right now.
If the Nook Tablet is anything like a Nook Color, its going to be a modders playground.
the NC was by far the best android tablet on the market for the money. Just needed a bit of tweaks.
If BN took the NC and upgraded some Hardware, its going to be one sweet device.
WTH, where is my ICS port? It's been what.. 3 hours now.
Lazy developers...
(kidding, of course =)
after getting my hands on one today, it really is just new hardware in the same shell. the ui got a little bit of a makeover too but it's still pretty familiar stuff. overall it felt very snappy.
The B&N by our house has them in stock and on sale. I just picked one up. Never having the original Nook color to compare with, I can't comment on that but so far it's a nice little tablet. I really only picked it up for the eventual root and port action.
I'm curious about the K Fire as well, but the lack of SD card slot made me think that rooting, flashing and overall modding would be a pain. I've got 2 weeks before I change my mind and pick that one up instead. Either way, I'm excited!
I am not an Android development expert but....
I have seen that the ICS sourcecode can be built for the Pandaboard which has the same processor of the new Nook Tablet (TI OMAP4430).
Does this mean that the ICS ROM could run on the Nook Tablet as well? What am I missing here?
Thanks!
C.
connor32 said:
I am not an Android development expert but....
I have seen that the ICS sourcecode can be built for the Pandaboard which has the same processor of the new Nook Tablet (TI OMAP4430).
Does this mean that the ICS ROM could run on the Nook Tablet as well? What am I missing here?
Thanks!
C.
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It's not just a CPU thing. Every hardware need his own drivers.
Surely soon we will have a full port of ICS for our NookTablets, but now we have still no ROOT, so... just be patient
CM9 will arrive maybe in 2 months, MIUI on middle Dec.
We need Autonooter first.
Seems like the KF has already been rooted.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/16/kindle-fire-gets-rooted-with-one-click-paves-the-way-for-amaz/
Nook Tabled FTW
well im going to buy a Nook Tablet, cuz SD Card Slot and double size Space and RAM is really making the difference between the KF and Nook Tablet. i just hope that enough Developers would see that the same way and buy Nook Tablet so we can get KickASS Custom ROMS and goodies
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Have any dev's commited to developing for Nook Tablet?
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I'm tempted to expand my kernel hacking to OMAP - but it's hard to justify when I already have a Samsung 10.1...
Has kernel source been posted yet?
Entropy512 said:
I'm tempted to expand my kernel hacking to OMAP - but it's hard to justify when I already have a Samsung 10.1...
Has kernel source been posted yet?
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Do eeeeeeeet!!!
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I'm tempted to expand my kernel hacking to OMAP - but it's hard to justify when I already have a Samsung 10.1...
Has kernel source been posted yet?
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I didnt see it being released, but it looks like BN has good attitude towards rooting, as mentioned in other threads.
But yeah, please help us get this thing opened up, this would be an incredible tablet - powerful and small.
It makes me a tad sad to see the KF get rooted already and the NT has had little to no progress. I hope development picks up soon. It's kind of depressing to see Amazon stealing the thunder from the little guy.
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It makes me a tad sad to see the KF get rooted already and the NT has had little to no progress. I hope development picks up soon. It's kind of depressing to see Amazon stealing the thunder from the little guy.
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Keep in mind that BN moved up the release date at the last minute.. not every store had them today and the BN.com website still said 11/18..
I'd be surprised if we don't get root before too long.
Yeah, I believe the KF is already officially on sale, while the only NT owners are some lucky preorder customers who managed to get the unit earlier than planned.
Remember, right now, technically the NT is still a "pre-launch" device.
My guess is kernel source will show up when the NT support pages go live (they don't exist yet.)
I was able to just walk in to a store and buy one yesterday without a pre-order.. but I suppose I was lucky.
Here's hoping for the kernel source soon.
Does it seem like they will eventually figure out how to get custom roms and kernels, or is it still up in the air as to if its even possible. And I've read of the possibility of b&n doing an OTA update that would close the door on the current rooting method and side loading of apps, is there any reason to believe they would? Or is that just paranoid speculation.
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Does it seem like they will eventually figure out how to get custom roms and kernels, or is it still up in the air as to if its even possible. And I've read of the possibility of b&n doing an OTA update that would close the door on the current rooting method and side loading of apps, is there any reason to believe they would? Or is that just paranoid speculation.
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OTA updates to the BC broke rooting so I assume a OTA to the NT would do the same. Usually rooting was restored in a few days. Custom kernels are a different issue and currently is unknown.
Kindle has CM7 booting on it. may have to go for the kindle over the nook tablet. Custom roms and kernels are a big selling factor and the kindle seems much closer to that.
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posted in wrong thread.
Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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True... Sadly, I doubt the higher ups of B&N really care about that small 1% for whom this is a concern. I'm still on the fence myself, but for me it's a NT or just save my money and wait; The lack of uSD kills the KF for me and I don't need/want a tablet enough to justify anything with a higher pricetag.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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I think its a little early to say its being written off. The awesome developers on this forum are still working on it, and probably others too. Even if the fully rooted device is as far as it goes, it is still a great device for the money.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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Sad but true. Stupid of B&N to lock the bootloader ... hopefully, bad sales will validate the point!
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Sad but true. Stupid of B&N to lock the bootloader ... hopefully, bad sales will validate the point!
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Not likely. Stopped by B&N on the way from class today and saw 3-4 people walk out with the NT during the time(30 min?) I was hanging around talking to the "tech". They're still selling quite well, but time will tell if they can keep it up.
B&N couldn't care less about losing sales to those who aren't buying their low cost eReader to use as intended. There is little to no margin for selling it as a general purpose tablet so they really don't care that those who can't load a custom ROM aren't happy with their device. Lot's of more expensive tablets out there for those who want to do custom development and a Nook app for those who want to buy their online products.
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I wonder if the Kindle Fire is actually helping NT sales. The KF sell people on the idea of getting a 7" tablet, but they shop around and finds that the NT has better specs for a little more. They read reviews like Engadget that say the NT plays videos smoother. The NT is suddenly on their radar.
The average person wouldn't care a bit about the bootloader, though they might be disappointed to find out about the 1GB limit for own content.
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I wonder if the Kindle Fire is actually helping NT sales. The KF sell people on the idea of getting a 7" tablet, but they shop around and finds that the NT has better specs for a little more. They read reviews like Engadget that say the NT plays videos smoother. The NT is suddenly on their radar.
The average person wouldn't care a bit about the bootloader, though they might be disappointed to find out about the 1GB limit for own content.
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If I understand correctly if the Nook is rooted apps install in the 15gb partition so rooted nooks have access to more than 1gb. Of course your average user isn't going to root their device.
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If I understand correctly if the Nook is rooted apps install in the 15gb partition so rooted nooks have access to more than 1gb. Of course your average user isn't going to root their device.
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Sideloaded apps also. You wanna move files to the B&N partition, you use root file manager to move.
I wouldnt mind buying apps if b&n actually had any in thier market. They dont have crap.
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Atleast for me the NT led to a kindle sale. Custom roms and kernels are a big deal to me, and I'm guessing the kindle is a week or two away from CM7 and most likely CM9 as well. And maybe the devs figure out a way around NTs locked boot loader, but there also seems to be a good chance they don't. It was a simple decision.
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Atleast for me the NT led to a kindle sale. Custom roms and kernels are a big deal to me, and I'm guessing the kindle is a week or two away from CM7 and most likely CM9 as well. And maybe the devs figure out a way around NTs locked boot loader, but there also seems to be a good chance they don't. It was a simple decision.
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I keep reading on various forums that the locked bootloader is a Nook Tab killer. Why?????? Please educate an old man as to why this is such a big deal. Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale. Already there are people who have rooted the tablet. Please tell an ignorant old man WHY it is so important to unlock the bootloader. What would you do/have once you unlocked the bootloader that you can't do without? Is it just because the locked bootloader feels like a slap in the face to developers? I mean what more would you do to it that you can't already do with it locked down?
My Tab does everything and more than I'd ever do with a real tablet so I'm just very curious as to what all the fuss is about.
Custom ROMS and kernels allow you to really extend the life of your device (meaning the device won't seem outdated so quickly). The CPU can be overclocked, the voltage tweaked for better battery life, newer versions of the android OS can be uploaded, etc.
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... Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale.
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Question: What happens when B&N releases an automatic update (replacing your system and your downloaded apps) and it closes the hole that you used to install additional apps?
Answer: We don't know. Having a way around the bootloader (eg, booting SDcards) gives some assurance that we will be able to root future versions, allowing continued "unauthorized" apps.
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I keep reading on various forums that the locked bootloader is a Nook Tab killer. Why?????? Please educate an old man as to why this is such a big deal. Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale. Already there are people who have rooted the tablet. Please tell an ignorant old man WHY it is so important to unlock the bootloader. What would you do/have once you unlocked the bootloader that you can't do without? Is it just because the locked bootloader feels like a slap in the face to developers? I mean what more would you do to it that you can't already do with it locked down?
My Tab does everything and more than I'd ever do with a real tablet so I'm just very curious as to what all the fuss is about.
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Here's why:
- A regular build of Android is better than the dumbed down version used in the nook tablet line.
- Ice Cream Sandwich is 10x better than Gingerbread.
- A tablet version of Android is better than smartphone version used in the nook.
Thanks everyone for the quick education. I understand much better now. It does appear that with a locked bootloader the customer is at the mercy of the vendor. They control the software, they control the hardware you just bought and paid for. I get it now. Sounds like I just rented a Barnes & Noble portal to their content. They can close the back door to any other apps anytime they choose. Almost doesn't seem fair.
Title says it all. Guess it's time to look for a new device (Tegra 4???) then unlock and root my Prime. I still love my Prime, always have, always will.
It's not as loud as it used to be for sure.
Check out the TF300, TF700 forums too because a lot of stuff that applies to that also works on TF201.
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Title says it all. Guess it's time to look for a new device (Tegra 4???) then unlock and root my Prime. I still love my Prime, always have, always will.
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Just a series of posts by folks that needlessly brick their TPs.
Post something new and interesting? We've had like ten primedeath threads... Still a capable device. Wait till we have nvflash again!
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Like I said, I love my Prime. I'm just a little worried that the Dev's have abandoned it. I've rooted many devices in the past but it seems the Prime is very susceptible to bricking and I really don't want to do that. I’ve never bricked and of my devices and I don’t want to start with my $500 tablet. This is why I haven't tried to root yet. I hope we get 4.2 and an exploit can be found se we can root without unlocking. I guess I'll eventually unlock but I'd like to root first and I'm too am waiting on nvflash.:good:
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Ya, with two kids and a full time job I really have time to sit down and learn code. Some may have that kind of time, not me. My slate is full.
Thanks for your "help".
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Ya, with two kids and a full time job I really have time to sit down and learn code. Some may have that kind of time, not me. My slate is full.
Thanks for your "help".
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No, no, thank YOU for your complaining.
C'mon guys... No need to fight. Mods close plz...
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Guess that kinda stuff can't be helped, Asus did leave a bad taste in the mouths of tf201 owners... *sigh*
Well, at the moment I use my Prime only for Netflix. After getting Nexus 4 I have not used Prime for couch surfing because it is so laggy for web browsing. Just checking for news about 4.2 update from time to time.
If I ever again buy a mobile device from Asus, it will be 10" Transformer Nexus.
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Guess that kinda stuff can't be helped, Asus did leave a bad taste in the mouths of tf201 owners... *sigh*
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I love my Prime! What's to be bitter about? It's the thinnest 10 inch tablet ever made. I don't have my wifi modem 7 miles away from my device and I don't mount a tablet as a GPS device in my car (why would anyone), so every thing is nice!
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Like I said, I love my Prime. I'm just a little worried that the Dev's have abandoned it. I've rooted many devices in the past but it seems the Prime is very susceptible to bricking and I really don't want to do that. I’ve never bricked and of my devices and I don’t want to start with my $500 tablet. This is why I haven't tried to root yet. I hope we get 4.2 and an exploit can be found se we can root without unlocking. I guess I'll eventually unlock but I'd like to root first and I'm too am waiting on nvflash.:good:
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First things first, I dont believe you care if devs abandon the prime or not since you have already stated that you are unwilling to unlock your prime because you are afraid that you dont have the skill not to break it. What you want is for somebody to post an apk to root your prime with no effort to learn on your part. This is all fine, to each his own.
One place you wont find the primes devs is here complaining in the general section of this forum because nothing productive happens here. Over in the development section of this forum you will find devs hard at work porting 4.2, getting Ubuntu running, and porting paranoid android etc. I am glad this section of the forum is dying because it means most of the complainers and trolls have left for browner pastures.
Do yourself a favor, unlock your prime and go check out the cool new stuff for the prime over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1414
Dead? Au contraire, I visit the forums on a daily basis, I just don't feel the need to write pointless posts or start hopeless threads.
People like OP are why devs will abandon a device
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I love my Prime! What's to be bitter about? It's the thinnest 10 inch tablet ever made. I don't have my wifi modem 7 miles away from my device and I don't mount a tablet as a GPS device in my car (why would anyone), so every thing is nice!
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Except it's virtually unusable without an unlock and custom kernel/ROM flash. And no, voiding our warranty by unlocking is not a viable workaround for crappy internals and poor Asus coding.
Otherwise, battery life is poor, wifi is awful beyond about a room away (and I have a top of the line $170 Asus RT-N66U router) to the point that I can't even use it to stream video to my TV in the bedroom (my galaxy S3 picks up wifi at 90% speed in the same place, vs the Asus at 10%), and GPS is non-functional (dongle doesn't count). Don't get me wrong, it is a workable device, but it's far from a good one. Thinness does not make up for it's very real shortcomings.
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People like OP are why devs will abandon a device
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No. Devs abandon a device when people stop using it and the manufacturer stops supporting it. I doubt anyone actually gets butthurt because random internet posters are complaining. And the TF201 had a small user base to begin with.
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And, just check out the developer area. There are at least two brand new ROM's there (Androwook 2.0 and the latest Energy) released even while this "dead" discussion was going on. These new ROMs bring the prime up the the very latest Android Version. Does not seem dead at all to me.
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Except it's virtually unusable without an unlock and custom kernel/ROM flash. And no, voiding our warranty by unlocking is not a viable workaround for crappy internals and poor Asus coding.
Otherwise, battery life is poor, wifi is awful beyond about a room away (and I have a top of the line $170 Asus RT-N66U router) to the point that I can't even use it to stream video to my TV in the bedroom (my galaxy S3 picks up wifi at 90% speed in the same place, vs the Asus at 10%), and GPS is non-functional (dongle doesn't count). Don't get me wrong, it is a workable device, but it's far from a good one. Thinness does not make up for it's very real shortcomings.
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No. Devs abandon a device when people stop using it and the manufacturer stops supporting it. I doubt anyone actually gets butthurt because random internet posters are complaining. And the TF201 had a small user base to begin with.
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Mine works fine with the stock rom....
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Mine works fine with the stock rom....
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Perhaps you got a better device than some of us. In any case, I'm happy you've had good luck with yours, but many of us have significant issues with ours, especially the early adopters. Unfortunately, there is no fix for any of the issues I've described with mine.
Does anyone else around here feel that if they had the devices people are talking negatively about, you'd be just fine? Am I alone?