[RANT] Galaxy Note DAC - AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note I717

This may be a thread that makes more sense in headfi.org but since it's related to the SGSNote, might as well tell you guys know.
Reference thread (one of many): http://www.head-fi.org/t/555006/samsung-galaxy-s2-vs-iphone-4
The Samsung Galaxy S had an exceptional Digital to Audio Converter or DAC that was a pleasure for Audiophiles to use.
The iPhone family due to its ultra popularity has multiple external DACs that are audiophile quality and bypass the POS Apple gifted on the iPhone.
But the SGS2, Skyrocket, Note and variants of the SGS2 (family) have been bestowed with a sub par quality Yamaha DAC. Now, if you read the thread, you will see that through PowerAMP and other means, such a bypass through the usb to use with an AMP, it fixes the atrocious headphone socket, but source quality is still poor. No one has as of yet created and most likely will not create a product that is compatible with the SGS2 family to bypass the awful Yamaha's.
So, we're stuck with sub par quality audio... Great. This is the only aspect I regret of selling my iphone 4. I was buying the HRT Streamer II meant for the iPhone, an exceptionally priced dac that bypasses the iphones source component.
My all FLAC/ALAC library and Beyerdynamic DT990's are very angry. There goes my music listening on the go.

Wait for Voodoo sound.
And stop using Flac. 320k mp3 is more than enough. Flac is a placebo.
Anyway. 320k mp3s sound great on my ATH-AD700s

Maroon Mushroom said:
Wait for Voodoo sound.
And stop using Flac. 320k mp3 is more than enough. Flac is a placebo.
Anyway. 320k mp3s sound great on my ATH-AD700s
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I notice the difference on my External Dac , and I have a crappy Fiio E9. All my mixtapes are 320k mp3s.
I can't wait for Voodoo, it helped get through Samsung's awful deving around the dac, but the yahama it self is still awful.

Voodoo Sound isn't coming, the stuffs it does do not apply in our situation.
We might however be able to pull some better quality out of the YDA165, I did some research on that with the SR, but didn't take it anywhere.

Da_G said:
Voodoo Sound isn't coming, the stuffs it does do not apply in our situation.
We might however be able to pull some better quality out of the YDA165, I did some research on that with the SR, but didn't take it anywhere.
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I wonder if I could remove the surface mounted (I'm guessing) chip from the mobo and install something nice, like a burrbrown. too bad I don't know anything about software to set it up, or if it is even possible to pull this off.
Here's hoping someone tries though.

We probably won't even get Voodoo LOUDER since supercurio doesn't support Skyrocket and other Qualcomm flavors of the GS2.
I'm not an audiophile, but I still find the sound quality disappointing. I guess most people don't realize or pay enough attention to sound reproduction to make Samsung put a better DAC in their recent phones. I'm sure they save money using the Yamaha, but I'd definitely be willing to pay a little bit more for the Wolfson they had in their last generation of phones.

teiglin said:
We probably won't even get Voodoo LOUDER since supercurio doesn't support Skrocket and other Qualcomm flavors of the GS2.
I'm not an audiophile, but I still find the sound quality disappointing. I guess most people don't realize or pay enough attention to sound reproduction to make Samsung put a better DAC in their recent phones. I'm sure they save money using the Yamaha, but I'd definitely be willing to pay a little bit more for the Wolfson they had in their last generation of phones.
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couldn't agree more!

yeap i do agree that samsung is doing a bad.job on that
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ygong said:
yeap i do agree that samsung is doing a bad.job on that
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I agree... The last at&t phone with the good sound DAC chip and supported Voodoo sound was the Samsung Infuse. The skyrocket and note are a no go, at least for right now.

And I thought I expected a lot from a phone...

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[Q] Voodoo Sound for Galaxy S II???

Hi,
Personaly I'm verry happy with the Galaxy S II except for it's sound quality.
It's quite horrible if you ask me so I was wondering if there's something like the Voodoo Sound mod wich we had on our Galaxy S..
Due to the sgs2 using a Yamaha and not a Wolfson DAC.. Supercurio has pretty much stated he is not developing Voodoo sound for the SGS2... Shame...
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Voodoo Color atleast?
Ferdimage said:
Voodoo Color atleast?
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What do you mean? Please rephrase.. Thankyou.
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Whats wrong with the sound, everything plays fine here it's currently the best mp3 sound I had, maybe change headsets? settings?
Edit: the headsets that were delivered with the phone are indeed horrible, try sennheiser or sony ears
jody2k said:
Whats wrong with the sound, everything plays fine here it's currently the best mp3 sound I had, maybe change headsets? settings?
Edit: the headsets that were delivered with the phone are indeed horrible, try sennheiser or sony ears
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You obviously haven't tried SG1 with Voodoo noooow that was the best mp3 sound I could get out of a phone
I have Sony's mw600. They sound quite good on my macbook for instance, but once plugged into my sammy it's horrible.
But now we know voodoo sound won't be developed, what are the alternatives?
gebruikershaes said:
I have Sony's mw600. They sound quite good on my macbook for instance, but once plugged into my sammy it's horrible.
But now we know voodoo sound won't be developed, what are the alternatives?
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CM7 normally improves the sound as well, let's hope they pay attention to this. I am using poweramp with some adjusted settings for now, and its not as bad as some people claim it to be. I am getting less noise readings than supercurio's test. But to be clear, its not at the same level as the sgs with voodoo sound for sure. Although I heavily doubt most people will be bothered by it. With the supplied earplugs you will have a ****ty quality anyway, and still people use them.
I used a wide range of headphones and earplugs and for now Im using my sony MDR-XB500 which don't really need an amp and supply some extra kick (something the sgs2 misses compared to the sgs)
If you are not an audiophile, just tweak the eq a bit and you will still enjoy your music.
And please stop claiming that the iphone 4 is so amazing in audio quality, its comparable with the sgs2 in noise levels. (did several readings myself, gf has an iphone 4)
I didn't, I said MacBook.. Anyway lets hope they pay attention to it indeed. Gonna try PowerAMP and DSP manager for now
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No need, look in your settings...
Due to the sgs2 using a Yamaha and not a Wolfson DAC.. Supercurio has pretty much stated he is not developing Voodoo sound for the SGS2... Shame...
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I have Sony's mw600. They sound quite good on my macbook for instance, but once plugged into my sammy it's horrible.
But now we know voodoo sound won't be developed, what are the alternatives?
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Something doesn't add up here. The MW600 are bluetooth headphones, they receive digital bits and use their own DAC to turn it into analog audio. The SGS2 DAC play no role here.
Notice the word 'plugged', I use them without the bluetooth receiver with an extension cord.
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Notice the word 'plugged', I use them without the bluetooth receiver with an extension cord.
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Oh, I thought "plugged" was meant figuratively...
And why aren't you using the BT receiver to fix this instead of agonizing ?
Noam23 said:
Oh, I thought "plugged" was meant figuratively...
And why aren't you using the BT receiver to fix this instead of agonizing ?
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Because I don't like caring extra stuff in my pockets.
gebruikershaes said:
Because I don't like caring extra stuff in my pockets.
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C'mon ... is the size of a AAA battery
designgears said:
No need, look in your settings...
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No way dynamic looks disgusting...
Im talking about having the ability to adjust RGB colors and Gamma, similar to what you get using CM7 ...
I need it to adjust the blue/greenish tint i have...
I hate the position of the speaker though
Always have my finger in front of it when I'm holding it in landscape
the sound CAN be enhanced.. I tried out an app a few weeks ago that turned up sound like 20% or something, it works like audioboost 2 does. so I'm sure the audio can be made louder. if you really care what the name of it was I can check out my history
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This Voodoo sound lark sounds very intriguing... does anyone know if there is a kernel available that I can flash onto my Samsung S2 which will enable the nicer-sounding Voodoo?
soraxd said:
the sound CAN be enhanced.. I tried out an app a few weeks ago that turned up sound like 20% or something, it works like audioboost 2 does. so I'm sure the audio can be made louder. if you really care what the name of it was I can check out my history
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what was the name of that app soraxd?

[Q] Audio Quality Amaze/MT4G

Hey guys I've read some posts, reviews and watched some video samples of the Amaze and from what I can tell..it's true, the audio recording on this phone is horrible.
I wanted to ask if anyone from this forum could compare it to the MT4G?
That's the phone I am currently using now and want to know how does it measure up to the MT4G's audio recording when shooting video.
I ask because I record a lot of videos with my MT4G and it's important that the audio quality on the Amaze isn't less than my phone.
1080p would be awesome to have (mine has 720p) but I don't want to sacrifice audio quality.
So with that being said, could anyone tell me from personal experience whether it's worse or better when compared to MT4G?
Thanks a lot.
I would ask if you are so concerned for professional reasons and then I realized a pro would use a real camera...
Not trying to be a prick or anything. Just curious.
What is with the concern of how well the audio is recorded off your phones camera?
Turboboxer said:
I would ask if you are so concerned for professional reasons and then I realized a pro would use a real camera...
Not trying to be a prick or anything. Just curious.
What is with the concern of how well the audio is recorded off your phones camera?
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Because I don't own a point and shoot camera so I rely on my phone to do all the recording.
I have two kids, 5 and 4, and I record them all day, everyday.
So yeah I just don't want to sacrifice the audio quality for better video quality.
Cause if you have kids that young you should know the audio is the most important part!! They say some of the craziest things. Lol.
Anyway, thanks for asking though. I don't mind explaining. Do you have any thoughts here?
nguyendqh said:
Because I don't own a point and shoot camera so I rely on my phone to do all the recording.
I have two kids, 5 and 4, and I record them all day, everyday.
So yeah I just don't want to sacrifice the audio quality for better video quality.
Cause if you have kids that young you should know the audio is the most important part!! They say some of the craziest things. Lol.
Anyway, thanks for asking though. I don't mind explaining. Do you have any thoughts here?
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If you want good audio quality on a phone camcorder, you're not going to have any luck with HTC, put simply. The Amaze is a fantastic phone and video quality is among the best out there, but audio has never been HTCs strong point. If you're looking for great audio, I'd suggest looking into a Motorola device, though T-Mobile really doesnt support Moto anymore it seems. If you do go with Motorola, just know that video quality will not be the best on most, at least from what I've seen. The Razr looks solid on both fronts. Then there's the iPhone 4S, which undoubtedly has the best of both worlds. Either way, I'll stick with the Amaze. I love it in every way.
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nguyendqh said:
Because I don't own a point and shoot camera so I rely on my phone to do all the recording.
I have two kids, 5 and 4, and I record them all day, everyday.
So yeah I just don't want to sacrifice the audio quality for better video quality.
Cause if you have kids that young you should know the audio is the most important part!! They say some of the craziest things. Lol.
Anyway, thanks for asking though. I don't mind explaining. Do you have any thoughts here?
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AWESOME!!!! Way better answer than anything I could think of. I definitely see where you are coming from. Audio would be very important.
Not that I have taken a lot of video with mine yet but I have to say it does not sound any better/worse than my iPhone's ever did. Video is a ****load better though
Turboboxer said:
AWESOME!!!! Way better answer than anything I could think of. I definitely see where you are coming from. Audio would be very important.
Not that I have taken a lot of video with mine yet but I have to say it does not sound any better/worse than my iPhone's ever did. Video is a ****load better though
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So it's not like a horrible difference yeah? Well that's good.
I mean my biggest thing was whether it'll be worse than my current phone.
myTouch 4G.
That's really what I'm trying to get at.
I don't have a problem with my phone's current audio recording.
I just don't want to be downgrading. =P
sportsinger75 said:
If you want good audio quality on a phone camcorder, you're not going to have any luck with HTC, put simply. The Amaze is a fantastic phone and video quality is among the best out there, but audio has never been HTCs strong point. If you're looking for great audio, I'd suggest looking into a Motorola device, though T-Mobile really doesnt support Moto anymore it seems. If you do go with Motorola, just know that video quality will not be the best on most, at least from what I've seen. The Razr looks solid on both fronts. Then there's the iPhone 4S, which undoubtedly has the best of both worlds. Either way, I'll stick with the Amaze. I love it in every way.
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I can understand what you're saying, but my thing was just whether it's an audio downgrade from my current phone, the HTC myTouch 4G.
That's all. But thank you for the suggestions and yeah I'm not a big fan of Moto phones either.
Thank you.
What about Music quality?
How is the audio quality for music and video? I use my phone as mp3 player.
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How is the audio quality for music and video? I use my phone as mp3 player.
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The audio quality is very good. But not stellar. Much depends on the source. If you use badly compressed mp3 files and cheap earbuds don't expect much. The phone can play .flac files if you install a 3rd party player like PowerAMP. That combined with a good set of headphones (I'm using Klipsch, which are also very good but not stellar) then the audio quality is more than adequate.
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The audio quality is very good. But not stellar. Much depends on the source. If you use badly compressed mp3 files and cheap earbuds don't expect much. The phone can play .flac files if you install a 3rd party player like PowerAMP. That combined with a good set of headphones (I'm using Klipsch, which are also very good but not stellar) then the audio quality is more than adequate.
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I'm not that much of an audiophile but I do have good earbuds so I guess I should be set. Thanks
Why don't you take you're kids to a t-mobile and take some test videos too compare? Seems Luke that would be the easiest thing for you to do and you would not have to rely on any the opinion of someone else.
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As far as recording, the audio is just as good as my vibrant...take that as you may--I am not a huge video guy. Plus, once you record, you can edit the audio on your pc.
PowerAmp is the single, most important app for me...in the car, at work, everywhere, the output is amazing.
alexp162002 said:
Why don't you take you're kids to a t-mobile and take some test videos too compare? Seems Luke that would be the easiest thing for you to do and you would not have to rely on any the opinion of someone else.
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Sounds like a good idea there. Lol. I will probably do just that. Thanks.
Beats Audio
Do you know if Beats Audio will be in the Amaze anytime soon or in the dev posts?
audio seem ok to me...I had the SGS2 which only provides MONO audio, and audio quality seemed good . This phone provides mono and Stereo so I played around with it and when I put it on mono audio the sound quality is much better, but then again you get mono....So It might have something to do with the extra microphones trying to pick up extra sound and cutting out the background noise....Personally I feel the sound on the Amaze is much more clear with high treble, than the SGS2, is the only phone I can compare it to. sound on SGS2 was muffled a little. also the speakerphone on the back and front of the HTC device sound much less muffled than My SGS2, I have no experience with motrola or any other brank of phone.
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Do you know if Beats Audio will be in the Amaze anytime soon or in the dev posts?
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We already got a couple of roms that have Beats Audio Hack. Check them out
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We already got a couple of roms that have Beats Audio Hack. Check them out
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Ok Thanks...
nguyendqh said:
Sounds like a good idea there. Lol. I will probably do just that. Thanks.
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I installed a app from the marketplace called Volume+, it was less than 2 dollars. But you can go to the dev website and download it for free. It boost up the volume from the audio playing from the loudspeaker and headset. I don't know if it will boost the recorded incoming audio. To me I had the MT4G rooted with a sense 3.0 Rom and I already love this amaze. As long as your hand doesn't block the microphones on the phone it is fine. Plus for 15 dollars you can buy the adapter to hook up to your tv and watch the glorious 1080p via HDMI. Also my Amaze is all stock. Plus the reception and call quality is very good.
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Audio Quality
keepzero said:
I installed a app from the marketplace called Volume+, it was less than 2 dollars. But you can go to the dev website and download it for free. It boost up the volume from the audio playing from the loudspeaker and headset. I don't know if it will boost the recorded incoming audio. To me I had the MT4G rooted with a sense 3.0 Rom and I already love this amaze. As long as your hand doesn't block the microphones on the phone it is fine. Plus for 15 dollars you can buy the adapter to hook up to your tv and watch the glorious 1080p via HDMI. Also my Amaze is all stock. Plus the reception and call quality is very good.
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This may seem odd but I found that, to me at least, it sounds better with the "stereo recording" off. That's how my MT4G videos sound.
Anyway, volume is not the problem here. It's sound quality.
I get the best recording with an app called rec forge, mono, wav and 22khz sample rate. The stereo recording does not improve the fidelity of the sound. I have yet to try an external Mic.
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Update, Fixed audio problems ?

So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
Audio quality seems fine to me. Rather average, but certainly not poor. I do hear some barely audible ticks through my headphones when nothing is playing, but haven't noticed them during playback. Some of the complaints about audio quality might be coming from those who dare to use the headphones supplied with the phone, as they are truly awful. The only real complaint I have is that button presses from my Sony headphones, which worked fine with my Titan, aren't recognized. Wonder if the music control / answer button works on any headphones other than the ones supplied.
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So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research on the Lumia's DAC and found that
It might, but most decent mobile DAC internally don't process above 600kbps or so (at least the zune HD does around there), though a bad studio also might use audio sources not upto the quality.
But I think there is noticeable noise with decent cans, even on a good audio source, at least with my ATH-M50s in a quiet area. Audio set to 5/30. It's noticeable every once in a while. Just a little bit of hissing after a song ends, and a little pop before the hissing stops. I'm using CD lossless rips (Zune converted to 256/320k) of Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, and Eminem CDs, for reference. If it was something like a recent Metallica CD, I'd blame it on the studio for sure .
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I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
Ricehead said:
Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research and found that
I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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A year ago I wanted to purge myself of Apple, so I sold my iPod and picked up an inexpensive Sony Walkman E Series for $65USD. I'm quite impressed with its size and performance.
Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
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So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
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Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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From what i can make out Nokia cant do anything to the firm/software to improve it, In my eyes they should make a revised version with as many bugs as possible fixed and offer a straight swap for your current Lumia.
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Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
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Noted, +1, Thank you
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Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
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Might get the Sansa has some good features and is super cheap, +1 for the input.
Lumia is lacking of bass, it's ok with monster purity, but with my Creative EP630 it's almost poor quality
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
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Looking forward to it
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People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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I haven't received any firmware update, but I got the 8107 OS update the first time I plugged in my device so I never really used the phone on 7740 or whatever it was on previously.
I did try the headphones that came with the phone and audio quality with those was indeed awful, but that's something I expected and with my own headphones audio quality is fine (average for a modern smartphone).
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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Yes, it will, it has been confirmed that our handset will, can't find the link for it.
The link to confirm the audio issue is being dealt with: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...bout-lumia-800-battery-life-audio-and-camera/
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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So really im just a dumbass because i didnt even realise there was a difference and that the lumia will be more than likely be able to run Apollo

Worth getting?

So is this player worth getting? I had Zune HD a while back but didn't use it a whole lot. I don't like using my Incredible as an mp3 player and I currently have a sansa clip+.
Is there something that stands this out over other mp3 players?
things I'm looking for:
Sound quality
ease of use (syncing, organizing, etc.)
battery life (my clip+ get 6-8 hours, I want 12+)
durability (i am butter fingered)
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So is this player worth getting? I had Zune HD a while back but didn't use it a whole lot. I don't like using my Incredible as an mp3 player and I currently have a sansa clip+.
Is there something that stands this out over other mp3 players?
things I'm looking for:
Sound quality
ease of use (syncing, organizing, etc.)
battery life (my clip+ get 6-8 hours, I want 12+)
durability (i am butter fingered)
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Well... since you seem to be familiar with Android devices already, I am not sure what else you are looking for. If you need just a music player, stick to what you have.
The Galaxy player 4.0 is a brilliant sounding player with Voodoo Sound installed which takes advantage of the Wolfson DAC which is regarded as one of the best audiophile sound chips. The sound quality is brilliant with wide soundstage, rich punchy bass and good mids and highs. The sound quality is up there with my Sony X1060 and Cowon J3.
Just got the 5.0 today will test out tonight! Hello everyone not new to xda just this section glad i cld join yall and help as much as pos
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For me - the 5.0 has a bigger screen than my GSII, but it's not as large as my Tab.
I actually find myself using it far more than expected - it's in a kind of perfect size range. However I almost never actually use it for media playback!
If I owned a Galaxy Note it would probably be pointless - but it's pretty well suited in the size gap between the DInc and Transformer the OP owns.
Well what it seems is that I might just upgrade my clip+ to the clip zip.
I love android but i think having three devices is a bit much. Granted the audiophile bit a few posts intrigues me.
I guess this is better for people without tablets/phone who still want andy in their pocket. A good phone upgrade is what I really need.
Why is the audio chipset diff in the 4.0 and the 5.0? Anyone know, seems kinda crazy to me.
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Definitely
Worth getting? Definitely. I've had iPod touch 4G and Galaxy Player YP GB70 and I'm just selling the iPod. The Samsung is way more practical in daily use. There are two GB70 versions here in Korea, white with TFT display and black with something that seems to be OLED. I like the white one more (have both currently ;-). Also in March there would be new version of Galaxy Player 70 introduced, maybe wait for that one and order directly from Korea..
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Why is the audio chipset diff in the 4.0 and the 5.0? Anyone know, seems kinda crazy to me.
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Oh yeah, forgot that difference... The MC1N2 in the 5.0 is a bit of a disappointment.

New Earphones, Best Music App?

Hey guys!
I've just invested in some decent Sennheiser earphones (never use stock ones!) and I'm now looking for a music app to match! I've found the stock music player lacks the dynamic range for the different types of music I listen to. My main genres are progressive rock, rock, techno/house and occasional classical. I've dabbled with the trial of Power Amp and was quite impressed, but wanted to know what other people have tried and gone with before I part with my meagre amount of money! Audiophiles, lend me your ears!!!
What are your recommendations/thoughts?
Cheers guys.
Probably already done it but don't forget to set up the adaptive sounds settings
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Probably already done it but don't forget to set up the adaptive sounds settings
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I'm guessing this only works with the stock player, or is it part of the system output and would also work with third party apps?
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On mine it's in settings, sounds and noticifications, sound quality and effects,
In here is adapt sound and other sound options they make my cheap blue tooth set sounds a little richer
And the adapt sound helps with my right ear hearing better than my left
imho poweramp is one of the best, has many frequency control, effects and a lot of theme like this:
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adaptive sound is really bad..go with viper4Android this is the best and could be used with all players..BTW I'm still stick to my old in ear beats headphones ..they were included in the HTC sensation XL times..
I use Neutron and it is great.
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adaptive sound is really bad..go with viper4Android this is the best and could be used with all players..BTW I'm still stick to my old in ear beats headphones ..they were included in the HTC sensation XL times..
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Not looking to root I'm afraid. While I've rooted my last few devices, I use my GS6E for NFC payments and rooting would cause this to stop working. Also my 1 year old boy keeps me too busy these days!
I did have some UrBeats earphones with my One X a few years ago before I sold them, and after recent reports that they are nothing more than a brand name behind cheap Chinese made earphones, I'd rather steer clear of them. Quite happy with my Sennheisers!
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Not looking to root I'm afraid. While I've rooted my last few devices, I use my GS6E for NFC payments and rooting would cause this to stop working. Also my 1 year old boy keeps me too busy these days!
I did have some UrBeats earphones with my One X a few years ago before I sold them, and after recent reports that they are nothing more than a brand name behind cheap Chinese made earphones, I'd rather steer clear of them. Quite happy with my Sennheisers!
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yeah..from me it's the opposite..the Sennheisers we're not have a good sound..and no there are zero payment things.. I mean I can not see any store where I can pay with NFC in Germany....
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yeah..from me it's the opposite..the Sennheisers we're not have a good sound..and no there are zero payment things.. I mean I can not see any store where I can pay with NFC in Germany....
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I think that if it wasn't for the NFC payments and that I've only got the phone for another 11 months, I'd probably consider rooting. As for the headphones, perhaps you ended up with some fakes? Plenty of them out there which is a shame.
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yeah..from me it's the opposite..the Sennheisers we're not have a good sound..and no there are zero payment things.. I mean I can not see any store where I can pay with NFC in Germany....
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In Poland everywhere where they have PayPass I can pay with NFC, the same thing.
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I think that if it wasn't for the NFC payments and that I've only got the phone for another 11 months, I'd probably consider rooting. As for the headphones, perhaps you ended up with some fakes? Plenty of them out there which is a shame.
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As for headphones and liking the sound or not, it depends on our music tastes and sound tastes greatly. Not all good headphones will be suitable for everyone.
I can recommend brainwavz and Soundmagic on my side. I have been using Brainwavz M3 with my S6 Edge and they sound great using Neutron. For desktop I have Soundpagic HP100 and they are great as well. Chinese, but if you read reviews on sites like Head-Fi.org, you will be surprised how good these are. I also have had Sennheiser MX980 for a few years and they sound nice.
The earphones I ended up getting are the Sennheiser CX 300-II. I know there are better ones out there for more money but considering I came from Logitech UE 200 they are a vast improvement, even on my laptop!
Just want to thank everyone for the replies. I'll probably end up going with Poweramp as I do like the features it offers and the different formats it plays. Quite a bit of my collection is in flac and although the stock player supports the format, the dynamic range of Poweramp is, imo greater.
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The earphones I ended up getting are the Sennheiser CX 300-II. I know there are better ones out there for more money but considering I came from Logitech UE 200 they are a vast improvement, even on my laptop!
Just want to thank everyone for the replies. I'll probably end up going with Poweramp as I do like the features it offers and the different formats it plays. Quite a bit of my collection is in flac and although the stock player supports the format, the dynamic range of Poweramp is, imo greater.
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Maven player? Jet audio? These 2 served me pretty good.
Viper audio if you're rooted. Not a player but a great way to control the sound

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