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Yeah, I'm not entering my name anywhere. Thanks anyway, HTC. Besides, AlphaRev and Unrevoked already did your job for you.
Since our last update, many of you have asked how the bootloader unlocking process will actually work, and in particular why HTC's most recently released devices still have a locked bootloader. Rest assured we're making progress toward our goal to roll out the first software updates in August to support unlocking for the global HTC Sensation, followed soon by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. Because unlocking the bootloader provides extensive control over the device and modifications may cause operation, security and experience issues, new devices will continue to ship locked but will support user-initiated unlocking using a new Web-based tool.
So how will this work? The Web tool, which will launch this month, requires that you register an account with a valid e-mail address and accept legal disclaimers that unlocking may void all or parts of your warranty. Then plug in your phone to a computer with the Android SDK loaded to retrieve a device identifier token, which you can then enter into the Web tool to receive a unique unlock key via e-mail. Finally, apply the key to your device and unlocking will be initiated on your phone.
We're excited to bring bootloader unlocking to developers and enthusiasts, and we feel this new Web tool will meet your needs and continue to provide customers with the best experience. Thanks to the community for supporting these efforts!
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I figured they would want a way to know exactly which phones were unlocked. i'll stick with alpha revs method.
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Yeah, I'm not entering my name anywhere. Thanks anyway, HTC. Besides, AlphaRev and Unrevoked already did your job for you.
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?saved&¬e_id=10150305151453084&id=101063233083
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wow. some actual clarity on what they plan to do.
nice to see an update !
but for the evo3d is a bit late
Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
That blows. They couldn't just ship the damn thing unlocked.
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Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
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Well, if he did I hope he didn't sell them the serial numbers of the ones already unlocked jk
I guess it all makes sense (har har).
If it makes the carriers happy, who cares if this is how they do it? I'm sure whenever they release a bootloader unlocker someone on XDA will take it and make it so you can do it without the email/key. We're gonna come out ahead either way.
Well i guess now they will know when we unlock our bootloader and warranty I don't care since I don't use the warranty anyways
If you don't have an Evo3d well you don't have an Evo3d
I'd be curious to know from Google, Sprint and Samsung how many problems they have from the NexusS4G being very easily unlockable...I doubt it's very many...and HTC should suck on that.
I don't know if that's as much of a fair comparison - with the Nexus being near stock I wouldn't expect them to be flashed/bricked nearly as much as with the Evo4G.
The OG Evo gained so much from flashing - features, kernels, whole new versions of sense. And it had so many updates over the life of the phone, making for different rooting methods and having people flash their phones many many times, making it one of if not the most developed phone we have seen.
I'm quite certain the brick count on those were some of the highest anyone's ever seen as well. That's after all the returns from dead pixels, bad charging ports, and what have you. You can understand a carrier/manufacturer's wishing to prevent all that.
By the same token, it feels like HTC benefits greatly from the development community, perhaps using a lot of what they see here in their own updates (maybe even waiting for people to fix their bugs). They definitely see value in unlocking phones, which I guess we should be happy about.
As long as HTC keeps their unlocked policy I will remain a loyal customer.
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I don't know if that's as much of a fair comparison - with the Nexus being near stock I wouldn't expect them to be flashed/bricked nearly as much as with the Evo4G.
The OG Evo gained so much from flashing - features, kernels, whole new versions of sense. And it had so many updates over the life of the phone, making for different rooting methods and having people flash their phones many many times, making it one of if not the most developed phone we have seen.
I'm quite certain the brick count on those were some of the highest anyone's ever seen as well. That's after all the returns from dead pixels, bad charging ports, and what have you. You can understand a carrier/manufacturer's wishing to prevent all that.
By the same token, it feels like HTC benefits greatly from the development community, perhaps using a lot of what they see here in their own updates (maybe even waiting for people to fix their bugs). They definitely see value in unlocking phones, which I guess we should be happy about.
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Were there that many bricked E4G's? I don't recall hearing about that many of them in my tenure on the forum...admittedly I barely spent any time in General that year as Development was bustling from before day 1.
...but, per capita I doubt the brick-count was that far off the average for any other popular phone worth rooting. God knows I did horrible things to mine and never even had to fix it via adb/fastboot.... it was a very popular phone even among the average joe.
I know that HTC benefits greatly from the dev community. Where do you think they got the FPS-unlock from? Among other things. That's how open source works and is designed to work. That's also why myself and others were so shocked with the whole 'locking' fiasco.
...now, aside from our own speculation about how high the brick rate may or may not have been why not speculate about something more productive: How LOW the brick rate could be if they utilized eMMC's secure-write technology to make a 'mega-recovery' partition that would be locked and even WE wouldn't want to unlock it....that could be used in a worst case scenario to fully restore a phone to stock...to enable the unlocking that WE want and reduce the (understandable) liability of allowing full control that they want. We get unlock, they get insulation from liability of allowing such a feature (that most people STILL wouldn't know about or care about)....why don't they do that? eMMC makes that trivial to implement (as we found out the hard way)...neglecting the fact that they could have utilized any number of simpler technologies to accomplish the same thing even before eMMC...why not?
That's a topic for further speculation (get your tinfoil hats ready), but, why don't they do that? Play both sides of the field. No voided warranties, no brick returns, no pissed off modders....win win win, right? The carrier doesn't want that? Cool, let us know, we'll flock to the carrier that allows it...something tells me Sprint would be that underdog...
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Lmao,actually according to their explanation,their method sounds just like AlpharevX.It would be hilarious if alpharevX sold their method to HTC.
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Not at all like what AlphaRevX did. The only reason they had the serial number check was because it was in Beta so they could shut down their serial generator and stop people using their unlock if they found a problem with it.
This HTC method makes sense, and I think it's fair. Their tool only needs to hook up to your phone to get the device identifier token, the unlock actually happens on the phone itself. This way HTC gets a list of unlocked phones so when people go for support you can't lie to them that your phone was unlocked, but people can have day one unlocks on any phone from HTC going forward.
So now HTC wants to know who exactly is unlocking there phones??
Nice try you sneaky basterds
What's wrong with them knowing if you're unlocked? They have to do that... Otherwise insurance companies would get upset. This is legit and it if people screw their phones up due to user error while unlocked then they shouldn't be able to file a claim.
This also let's them see just how many people want to be unlocked so they don't try and take it away from us again
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What's wrong with them knowing if you're unlocked? They have to do that... Otherwise insurance companies would get upset. This is legit and it if people screw their phones up due to user error while unlocked then they shouldn't be able to file a claim.
This also let's them see just how many people want to be unlocked so they don't try and take it away from us again
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yeah....I dunno. They could (relatively) easily make the phones nearly brick-proof (see my above post) yet they do not. Why? I'm almost irritated by all of the altruistic sentiment for 'doing the right thing'....not because of the altruism, I actually find that refreshing and endearing. It's more because they could take steps to nearly eliminate the potential for bricking (and in doing so insulate the insurance company from liability...making that a moot point), but that people are defending a position that needn't exist.
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i guess it all makes sense (har har).
If it makes the carriers happy, who cares if this is how they do it? I'm sure whenever they release a bootloader unlocker someone on xda will take it and make it so you can do it without the email/key. We're gonna come out ahead either way.
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Haha, sounds exactly how alpharev did it...hmm, maybe they tore it out of alpharevs hands, i dont know, sounds fishy.
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yeah....I dunno. They could (relatively) easily make the phones nearly brick-proof (see my above post) yet they do not. Why? I'm almost irritated by all of the altruistic sentiment for 'doing the right thing'....not because of the altruism, I actually find that refreshing and endearing. It's more because they could take steps to nearly eliminate the potential for bricking (and in doing so insulate the insurance company from liability...making that a moot point), but that people are defending a position that needn't exist.
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You don't know why they're doing it. Maybe they wanna track the people that abuse the crap out of wireless tether... Maybe it's for other reasons. Who cares, they are unlocking it for us and that's all that matters. I have nothing to hide when I root so I care less. If you're upset about it then there are other options.
People are getting exactly what they wanted and they still find a reason to cry... Get over it already
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Need to take my Atrix in for warranty purpose. A few methods have been discussed and I'm looking for the safest means possible. Any opinion's on this? I leaning towards the SBF method using Moto's stock 2.3.4 via RSD Lite.
Sounds like having your cake and eating it too.. You seen all the warnings saying your void if you unlock right? Here is another thread about "relocking" (hiding "unlocked" is not relocking btw, relocking is impossible.) also there are many threads on this topic, feel free to search.
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Sounds like having your cake and eating it too.. You seen all the warnings saying your void if you unlock right? Here is another thread about "relocking" (hiding "unlocked" is not relocking btw, relocking is impossible.) also there are many threads on this topic, feel free to search.
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Dude why do you have to be such a DB all the time, i'v looked around these posts for about 30 min and i have seen you respond with same kind of Jack A remarks everytime. Were here for help not to be ridiculed.
Please don't take this the wrong way but the dev community is actively trying to get all manufacturers to allow for unlocked bootloaders and one of the main things most of us are willing to forfeit is our warranties so when someone decides to voluntarily do something that is known to void the warranty and then try to trick the manufacturer into fixing their phone under said warranty it hurts our argument. We all made the choice when we unlocked our phones so it is only fair that we take responsibility for our decisions.
Hopefully, in the future we can come to an agreement with manufacturers that there is an "opt-in" option for unlocking our phones and as long as we stay within the confines of the agreement then we can still have the option to have the phone serviced for physical defects.
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Dude why do you have to be such a DB all the time, i'v looked around these posts for about 30 min and i have seen you respond with same kind of Jack A remarks everytime. Were here for help not to be ridiculed.
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Please don't take this the wrong way but the dev community is actively trying to get all manufacturers to allow for unlocked bootloaders and one of the main things most of us are willing to forfeit is our warranties so when someone decides to voluntarily do something that is known to void the warranty and then try to trick the manufacturer into fixing their phone under said warranty it hurts our argument. We all made the choice when we unlocked our phones so it is only fair that we take responsibility for our decisions.
Hopefully, in the future we can come to an agreement with manufacturers that there is an "opt-in" option for unlocking our phones and as long as we stay within the confines of the agreement then we can still have the option to have the phone serviced for physical defects.
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I'm going to have to second this. as much as i dislike the "unlocked" at the top of my screen i made this choice. little did i know that it would actually say this when done:-( however rooting, rom, bootloader unlock, other mods done by us, unfortunately void our warranty.
however.... if you wanted a device that you could unlock bootloader or what not. you should have went with an inspire as you can turn s-on after being s-off and flash back to stock firmware. therefore in essence. not be hurting the valiant efforts of our communtiy to get the manufacturers to allow us more exploration.
I do feel your pain, yet like stated in every thread for rooting and romming and bootloader..... YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID!!!
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I'm going to have to second this. as much as i dislike the "unlocked" at the top of my screen i made this choice. little did i know that it would actually say this when done:-( however rooting, rom, bootloader unlock, other mods done by us, unfortunately void our warranty.
however.... if you wanted a device that you could unlock bootloader or what not. you should have went with an inspire as you can turn s-on after being s-off and flash back to stock firmware. therefore in essence. not be hurting the valiant efforts of our communtiy to get the manufacturers to allow us more exploration.
I do feel your pain, yet like stated in every thread for rooting and romming and bootloader..... YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID!!!
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It actual says may void warranty. I think until there is some agreement made, we don't have any rules regarding this. I mean unlocking the bootloader doesn't make some of the defects happen. As an American with consumer rights, I will hold them responsible, but only if not directly from my mingling. Also I have read that moto has fixed phones with unlocked bootloaders.
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It actual says may void warranty.
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"May" is not synonymous with "will." People continue to misinterpret those terms.
If unlocking the BL absolutely voided your warranty, they would have indicated as such with a term that meant "will."
I stand corrected. The point is valid.... "may" and "will" are different words and meanings.
However most times when the statement made by a corporation that includes "may" or "might" means you are out of luck.
Not to argue, because I do agree with you but in legal terms the word "may" does not mean the same thing as the normal definition.
may v. a choice to act or not, or a promise of a possibility, as distinguished from "shall" which makes it imperative. 2) in statutes, and sometimes in contracts, the word "may" must be read in context to determine if it means an act is optional or mandatory, for it may be an imperative. The same careful analysis must be made of the word "shall." Non-lawyers tend to see the word "may" and think they have a choice or are excused from complying with some statutory provision or regulation.
The underlined part highlights how they would see it as it implies you are making the choice to void your warranty.
Now, this is how I see it because I tend to think most definitions regarding legal terms is in place to protect companies and not consumers so if someone could elaborate and prove me wrong, I invite it with open mind.
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"May" is not synonymous with "will." People continue to misinterpret those terms.
If unlocking the BL absolutely voided your warranty, they would have indicated as such with a term that meant "will."
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Dude why do you have to be such a DB all the time, i'v looked around these posts for about 30 min and i have seen you respond with same kind of Jack A remarks everytime. Were here for help not to be ridiculed.
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Lol, you read all my other posts about this in the past 30 minute and still dont understand you voided your warrenty DA!? I dont care if you do or dont get service for your voided phone, and Im not gonna argue about the word may. I dont care. What i do care about is checking XDA without seeing the same GD threads over and Fing over again because DAs like you refuse to use the Fing search button. SMC.
lol funny arguments gotta love em. For one hiding the Unlock really doesn't matter considering I have returned one Atrix to where I bought it and they didn't care. Secondly Motorola has the "Choice" to deny you warranty repairs but they MAY accept the warranty repair and third they could always, if the phone was returned, reflash the bootloader to Lock it again. Plan and simple easy answer is it is ultimately up to Motorola if they want to repair it or not once it is unlocked.
I'm not talking about personal experience, it's about assuming responsibility for your actions. My whole point is accountability, there are people all the time trying to take advantage of the system and end up ruining it for everyone else. Society is fostering an entire generation of vain and spoiled derelicts.
You are right though, it could all come down to who you run into while trying to have your phone repaired.
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lol funny arguments gotta love em. For one hiding the Unlock really doesn't matter considering I have returned one Atrix to where I bought it and they didn't care. Secondly Motorola has the "Choice" to deny you warranty repairs but they MAY accept the warranty repair and third they could always, if the phone was returned, reflash the bootloader to Lock it again. Plan and simple easy answer is it is ultimately up to Motorola if they want to repair it or not once it is unlocked.
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I'm not talking about personal experience, it's about assuming responsibility for your actions. My whole point is accountability, there are people all the time trying to take advantage of the system and end up ruining it for everyone else. Society is fostering an entire generation of vain and spoiled derelicts.
You are right though, it could all come down to who you run into while trying to have your phone repaired.
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True more or less. Society is propagating the problem but it really starts with the way the government is running things as a whole. Not saying it's right but until something changes in society and the government it's just all down hill. Also if you look deeper banks have a Major role as well. Anyway enough on off topic issue's there yea I do believe it is ultimately up to Motorola whether they will repair the device or not. I would assume they would probably deny the repair if it had something to do with the actual Software of the phone considering you messed with it, hardware probably different considering software usually doesn't blow up hardware.
Thread about how to return phone after voiding warranty, contents:
some name calling, discussion about morality, the meaning of the word "may", society, laws, government, companies
to TS,
try 'accidentally' sinking your Atrix in the ocean for a minute, and then claim your warranty?
or try 2 cover it with your thumb while booting?
to others,
help TS, (like me?), don't condemn everything about what he had done in the past.
maybe, he's your friend next door, a helping hand's neighbor?
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however rooting, rom, bootloader unlock, other mods done by us, unfortunately void our warranty.
however.... if you wanted a device that you could unlock bootloader or what not. you should have went with an inspire as you can turn s-on after being s-off and flash back to stock firmware. therefore in essence. not be hurting the valiant efforts of our communtiy to get the manufacturers to allow us more exploration.
I do feel your pain, yet like stated in every thread for rooting and romming and bootloader..... YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID!!!
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Please show me where it states all these things, (rooting, ROMs', bootloader unlock, and 'other' mods), void our warranties.
Also, for the bootloader, as was already stated, it does say MAY void your warranty. The reason it says 'may' is in all probability because if your phone doesn't work/stops working for some reason they legally cannot refuse to warranty it unless they can attribute the problem to the act of unlocking the bootloader. Someone else stated in another thread that it really is not in Motorolas' best interest to start messing with people for unlocking bootloaders when they send in phones for repair. I would tend to agree with this. After reading all the threads I have seen over the last few months, I can't remember reading about anyone who has been declined warranty or been made to pay for repairs because they unlocked their bootloader. To the contrary there are many stories of people getting their phones back fully repaired and still unlocked with no issues.
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True more or less. Society is propagating the problem but it really starts with the way the government is running things as a whole. Not saying it's right but until something changes in society and the government it's just all down hill. Also if you look deeper banks have a Major role as well. Anyway enough on off topic issue's there yea I do believe it is ultimately up to Motorola whether they will repair the device or not. I would assume they would probably deny the repair if it had something to do with the actual Software of the phone considering you messed with it, hardware probably different considering software usually doesn't blow up hardware.
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I would love to see an agreement put in place that allows us to have "hardware" still under warranty regardless of "software".
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Thread about how to return phone after voiding warranty, contents:
some name calling, discussion about morality, the meaning of the word "may", society, laws, government, companies
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You're right, how could we have messed up so bad? We forgot to talk about Lindsay Lohan!
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to TS,
try 'accidentally' sinking your Atrix in the ocean for a minute, and then claim your warranty?
or try 2 cover it with your thumb while booting?
to others,
help TS, (like me?), don't condemn everything about what he had done in the past.
maybe, he's your friend next door, a helping hand's neighbor?
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@WiredPirate has already provided a link but I guess I can be pro-active and actually USE the "search" feature.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1201105
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1261413
There are more discussions as well.
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CaelanT said:
Please show me where it states all these things, (rooting, ROMs', bootloader unlock, and 'other' mods), void our warranties.
Also, for the bootloader, as was already stated, it does say MAY void your warranty. The reason it says 'may' is in all probability because if your phone doesn't work/stops working for some reason they legally cannot refuse to warranty it unless they can attribute the problem to the act of unlocking the bootloader. Someone else stated in another thread that it really is not in Motorolas' best interest to start messing with people for unlocking bootloaders when they send in phones for repair. I would tend to agree with this. After reading all the threads I have seen over the last few months, I can't remember reading about anyone who has been declined warranty or been made to pay for repairs because they unlocked their bootloader. To the contrary there are many stories of people getting their phones back fully repaired and still unlocked with no issues.
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You're right about Motorola should not reject people for warranty repairs, they still have a lot of work to do in rebuilding customer relations and their public image.
I would not care at all about people using their warranties if they just did it but I don't like all the threads discussing how to "dupe" Motorola because they made a conscious decision to unlock their bootloader knowing it "may" void their warranty. And don't get me wrong, I'm not siding with Motorola on the issue, I just believe people should fully understand the implications of their choices and until there is a set agreement on the issue then people should just accept the outcomes.
Also, people should continue to actively pursue getting these policies overturned by companies like Motorola and AT&T. The community has made great strides over the past year and we need to keep pushing.
I really wish people would search instead of crearing another thread on the same thing. People need to be coddled and what better way to start an argument/pity party by starting another thread without using search.
I voided my warranty and your mum.
If you're on Gingerbread, or have atleast updated to it, you can flash the stock gingerbread .sbf and it won't brick your phone. Just don't flash any other kind of .sbf , you can't go back to any other version. When you flash that with RSDlite, it'll take you back to stock and wipe the "unlocked" logo off your screen. It will still BE unlocked, it just won't say it.
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Please show me where it states all these things, (rooting, ROMs', bootloader unlock, and 'other' mods), void our warranties.
Also, for the bootloader, as was already stated, it does say MAY void your warranty. The reason it says 'may' is in all probability because if your phone doesn't work/stops working for some reason they legally cannot refuse to warranty it unless they can attribute the problem to the act of unlocking the bootloader. Someone else stated in another thread that it really is not in Motorolas' best interest to start messing with people for unlocking bootloaders when they send in phones for repair. I would tend to agree with this. After reading all the threads I have seen over the last few months, I can't remember reading about anyone who has been declined warranty or been made to pay for repairs because they unlocked their bootloader. To the contrary there are many stories of people getting their phones back fully repaired and still unlocked with no issues.
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Ok let me rephrase,
I have noticed people in the Atrix community, are not as well versed in being civil with each other, as members in my other device forums are. Point is. everywhere you read, when it comes to rooting, unlocking, there is a "chance" of the statement "may" void warranty. (don't act like you are dislexic or in a special ed class and cant read or never learned how to) Maybe go read again where these statements are at when you read the thread.
Also to install a rom, you need to be rooted, and in some cases like this device, you need to have unlocked bootloader and cwm or a recovery installed to flash the rom to your device.
Which yet again brings up the point you have to go to a forum, locate a thread, read the info, and most of them always say, there is a chance at "may void warranty" and not responsible if you brick your device, kick your cat, crash your car,pull your hair, beat the sh** out of your wife, murder your neighbor, or somehow end up having to dive to the bottom of the ocean to retrieve your dog.
I'm not a programmer. Actually starting school for programming in a month, but what makes it hard for Devs to unlock them selves?
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128-bit encryption key
Which is quite interesting. I am guessing they did it to prevent people from bricking their systems and returning them when in fact they are probably getting more returns now than they would have had the bootloader not been encrypted.
yup, by now the devs would probably have custom roms fixing all the issues...
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128-bit encryption key
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this means there are 128 ^2 possible combinations to test before finding the one for your device. This amount of tries would take years to brute force (trying every single one till you found it) even on today's most powerful super computers.
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this means there are 128 ^2 possible combinations to test before finding the one for your device. This amount of tries would take years to brute force (trying every single one till you found it) even on today's most powerful super computers.
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So close. It's actually 2^128. That's two to the power of one-hundred twenty eight.
Question, when you unlock the bootloader your warranty becomes void. Will there be a way to re-lock for warranty purposes?
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Question, when you unlock the bootloader your warranty becomes void. Will there be a way to re-lock for warranty purposes?
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no one is really going to know how it all works for asus until asus releases their tool with the specifics on everything.
but as far as the law goes, if whatever you need warranty work for has nothing to do with you loading custom roms or messing with the kernel etc, you should have no problem sending it in for warranted repairs.
ie, the power button is broken or the screen dies
Rooting can become illegal soon
But once your unlocked warranty void forever because they track serial
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Rooting can become illegal soon
But once your unlocked warranty void forever because they track serial
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I read that is what apple is doing and they are close to passing the bill. Its ridiculous, rooting is not all about pirating, its mostly for performance.
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Evo_Shift said:
Which is quite interesting. I am guessing they did it to prevent people from bricking their systems and returning them when in fact they are probably getting more returns now than they would have had the bootloader not been encrypted.
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IIRC Asus did explicitly say that it was nVidia forcing them to lock the bootloader on the Prime. This could of course be BS, but after such a public statement saying this, nVidia would have gone apesh*t if it was not the truth.
It's all to do with the Tegra3 and the Prime being basically a prototype released only for mass beta testing. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Still love my Prime though.
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It doesn't have to be! It is not a bill, but an exemption to the DMCA. If we can show our support by contacting the Copyright office and showing them that jailbreaking/rooting is beneficial, they can extend the exemption. The EFF has more info on how to contact the Copyright office and how to request that other electronics be included (did you know that tablets are NOT covered in the exemption?) like consoles, tablets, and more.
https://www.eff.org/pages/jailbreaking-not-crime-tell-copyright-office-free-your-devices
XDA has 337,000 active members. This effects all of us. Let them know it should not be illegal to use your electronics however you wish!
It does not affect ALL of us by any means, however, I have already shown my support by donating to the EFF. It's disgusting that a device that you have paid your hard earned cash for can be ruled over with an iron fist as though you are simply renting it for the duration of it's life....
.... Oh that business model sounds familiar.
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It does not affect ALL of us by any means...
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I assume that if you are on here, you are either a dev or get support from a dev. In either case, making rooting illegal again would give manufacturers cause to turn a deaf ear to us, making it more difficult to impossible to work with these devices and in turn help others. Even if you have never rooted a phone or even heard of jailbreaking, you would still (indirectly, yes) be affected, since fewer will want to put themselves in that position.
Devs will usually find a way around these locks, but the level of support will not be there as they will think twice about breaking the law (in the US at least).
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I assume that if you are on here, you are either a dev or get support from a dev. In either case, making rooting illegal again would give manufacturers cause to turn a deaf ear to us, making it more difficult to impossible to work with these devices and in turn help others. Even if you have never rooted a phone or even heard of jailbreaking, you would still (indirectly, yes) be affected, since fewer will want to put themselves in that position.
Devs will usually find a way around these locks, but the level of support will not be there as they will think twice about breaking the law (in the US at least).
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I concede, you make a very good point. I was referring to the fact that I am in the UK and therefore it does not DIRECTLY affect me, but again, you ARE right.
Doktaphex said:
I concede, you make a very good point. I was referring to the fact that I am in the UK and therefore it does not DIRECTLY affect me, but again, you ARE right.
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Thank you for supporting the EFF! All I can do at the moment is to support by getting people motivated.
monkey10120 said:
I read that is what apple is doing and they are close to passing the bill. Its ridiculous, rooting is not all about pirating, its mostly for performance.
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Rooting can be considered as illegal as it uses hacking methods, and so break the software that belongs to the company made the device, even if the software is in majority open source, there are always closed parts that are concern by trading laws.
And be precise please, the'illegal' rooting stuff is ONLY concerning USA.
Plenty of places with some very smart devs where rooting will never become illegal. Russia as an example, or China (where the exemption would only apply to US built product). If some countries want to kill off their engineering and software development communities, plenty of other places in the world will be only too happy to step in and take over.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, android is open source. So then there's no copyright infringement unless you hack the apps or something. IOS on the other hand isn't open source so jailbreaking it could be seen as infringing. But I still disagree that rooting/ jailbreaking should be illegal.
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I know I was able to unlock my sensation 4g for free using this method..surely the sim unlock code has to be stored on the device itself because it cannot ping ATT servers if service is unavailable because a different sim has been inserted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1232107
anyone smart able to chime in on this?
Interesting... That does make sense, but, unfortunately, requires the phone to be rooted first, which is an inherently dangerous task for people who are just looking to unlock and not root their phone. An unlock code costs only $8 online anyway.
Still, very interesting. Thanks for posting this!
poopymt3g said:
I know I was able to unlock my sensation 4g for free using this method..surely the sim unlock code has to be stored on the device itself because it cannot ping ATT servers if service is unavailable because a different sim has been inserted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1232107
anyone smart able to chime in on this?
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Though I can't really comment on if an unlock trick like would work, I do recall a while back there was a statement made by AT&T saying that if you've had your account in good standing for 3 months, they'll issue an unlock code to you no questions asked.
might be a route to try.
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Though I can't really comment on if an unlock trick like would work, I do recall a while back there was a statement made by AT&T saying that if you've had your account in good standing for 3 months, they'll issue an unlock code to you no questions asked.
might be a route to try.
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Not for the Note, ATT will release unlock code for good standing account in August. 6 months for the Note. Call almost 8 CSs and they all said that
Yeah I am a tmobile customer and bought a note from a friend on ATT they wouldnt give him the unlock code until 3 months after purchase..I saw some pretty bad reviews on the $8 dollar site..i should have my note soon so ill tinker around with it for a bit and if i fail ill pay the 25 bucks to unlock it..
I used a similar unlock trick to unlock a cheap Samsung Dart (Mini) I got. It used the /dev/block and I forget the rest of it. Then using a Hex editor I just searched for the 8 digit unlock code. I bet something similar would work for the Note.
I have heard 6 months as well.
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Interesting... That does make sense, but, unfortunately, requires the phone to be rooted first, which is an inherently dangerous task for people who are just looking to unlock and not root their phone. An unlock code costs only $8 online anyway.
Still, very interesting. Thanks for posting this!
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Rooting is not inherently dangerous. It's these types of posts that scare off people from the rooting community. This seems like it would work pretty good for some people.
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Rooting is not inherently dangerous.
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IMO, any simple action which could instantly turn one's phone into a very expensive paperweight through no fault of one's own is pretty dangerous. Add on top of that all the foreknowledge that must go into rooting a phone without error and things get even more dangerous.
I suppose we can agree to disagree, but until the tools to root phones become foolproof, I would never ever consider recommending someone who is not somewhat tech savvy to root their phone.
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It's these types of posts that scare off people from the rooting community.
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Again, IMO (and this is not directed at you) it's the attitude of many people on this site that scares people away from the rooting community. It's disheartening to see how often people are insulted on this forum just because they are trying to learn something. Again, not directed at you; just an observation of someone who is new to the forums and has read many threads...
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IMO, any simple action which could instantly turn one's phone into a very expensive paperweight through no fault of one's own is pretty dangerous. Add on top of that all the foreknowledge that must go into rooting a phone without error and things get even more dangerous.
I suppose we can agree to disagree, but until the tools to root phones become foolproof, I would never ever consider recommending someone who is not somewhat tech savvy to root their phone.
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Rooting is not inherently dangerous, as already stated above, and it is nearly impossible to hard brick your phone. If one does manage to hard brick their phone, it can't be said that it was achieved through no fault of their own, because it would take a concerted effort, or blatant disregard for safety, to achieve this. Even soft bricks are exceedingly rare if you simply follow directions.
Of course, it goes without saying that people who don't know what they are doing should not be messing with their devices. There are warnings on the top of every ROM/kernel/root/recovery thread telling you that you WILL brick if you do something wrong. But it's not like rooting or flashing custom ROMs is rocket science. All the hard work has already been done. All that is required from the end user is carefully read the instructions.
https://community.zteusa.com/community/blogging/blog/2016/08/10/did-somebody-say-bootloader
From Petershih:
We have heard you loud and clear. Throughout the last two months on Z-Community you have voiced the desire for an unlocked bootloader for the Axon 7, and today we are making this a reality.
In fact, an unlocked bootloader was something that has been in discussion internally at ZTE for quite awhile. But upon hearing more and more discussions on Z-Community about this topic, your mod team performed the necessary due diligence to present our case with internal stakeholders. After thoughtful debates and discussions, we are truly delighted to share the exciting news that fellow mobile developers have been waiting for: the U.S. versions of the Axon Pro and the Axon 7 will have their bootloader unlocked upon request here on Z-Community!
There are two important things to note: This procedure is reserved for those with a high level of technical expertise and have had experience flashing custom ROMs. Furthermore, unlocking the bootloader will void the device warranty that comes free with each Axon purchase.
To help streamline requests, we have created Developers Lounge sub-spaces within the Axon [Series] Forum. This is the exclusive space for mobile developers to request unlocking and share tips and tricks. Just to reiterate, unlocking the bootloader will void your device warranty.
To wrap up, we want to reinforce our mission behind Z-Community - share in each other’s passion for mobile and shape the roadmap for future products. While we may not comment on each request, suggestion or recommendation, we indeed listen to what our consumers want and make decisions based on that when possible. Lastly, if you’re a mobile developer and excited about this latest announcement, we want to hear from you in the comments section below - in other words, make some NOISE!
https://community.zteusa.com/community/forums/axon/developers-lounge-axon-7
AXON 7/Pro Bootloader Unlock Request
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Once verified, a follow up email will provide instructions on unlocking the bootloader.
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This is a highly technical procedure and we strongly suggest that you do not unlock the bootloader unless you have a high level of mobile development experience and you understand the risks involved. Before you proceed, please note that unlocking the bootloader of any ZTE device will VOID ITS WARRANTY effective immediately. Please DO NOT attempt to unlock the bootloader unless you are confident that you fully understand the risks involved which may include physically damaging the device, rendering it inoperable, altering its behavior, or otherwise creating undesirable results. If you decide to move forward with unlocking the bootloader and click the Next button below, you do so with the understanding of its consequences, including the IMMEDIATE VOIDING of your device WARRANTY.
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They require you to fill out the above form. So they def know your warranty is void.
Good news! Voiding warranty over a bootloader unlock does not make sense.
Great news ! Some points to clear out but overall happy to see things moving.
Loss of warranty is pretty standard, only a few company allow the bootloader to be unlocked while keeping the warranty (OP and Oppo, i don't know of any other).
US market only at the moment. Not to happy about that as i live in Europe, if nothing is made, it will kill the european market for ZTE. I personally will keep my preorder up but if there isn't any news about the european version, i certainly will not keep the device at the end of the month of free return...
Still overall a good news, to rejoice about !
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Great news ! Some points to clear out but overall happy to see things moving.
Loss of warranty is pretty standard, only a few company allow the bootloader to be unlocked while keeping the warranty (OP and Oppo, i don't know of any other).
US market only at the moment. Not to happy about that as i live in Europe, if nothing is made, it will kill the european market for ZTE. I personally will keep my preorder up but if there isn't any news about the european version, i certainly will not keep the device at the end of the month of free return...
Still overall a good news, to rejoice about !
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Oneplus, oppo, i think huawei, google nexus, htc all allow BL unlock without voiding warranty. And many brands say they void the warranty but as long as you return it to stock prior to sending it in your usually okay unless its samsung. the way zte is doing it is its void as soon as you ask to do it which isnt really right if theres a hardware defect not due to unlocking like say your charging port dying.
I won't copy my entire response to Peter's blog post over here, but I'll copy this:
I can honestly say this negatively impacts the chances that I'll keep the phone past the 30 days B&H will give me to return it. I will wait for an XDA dev to work their magic and possibly provide TWRP and root without a BL unlock (as in the case of the Intel-based ASUS Zenfone 2), but I'm not holding my breath.
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This is a half-ass solution. Voided warranties from bootloader unlocks are incredibly 2010. There's no reason why, if Google, OnePlus, HTC, Motorola, and Huawei all offer bootloader unlocks without voiding warranties, that ZTE can't. We still need to complain. It's a great start, but this isn't enough.
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This is a half-ass solution. It's a great start, but this isn't enough.
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Exactly!
WHERE IS OUR FREE PONY???
I am still thinking of canceling pre order. I feel like voiding the warranty is little demanding and could limit it's adoption in developer community. Honestly without strong XDA developer support I'll go to a op3, n6 or HTC. I want custom ROMs (sultan being my favorite). I want xposed and freedom of choice for the hardware. This is step in right direction but it still concerns me that it's a half hearted gesture.
ZTE could really use this as a opportunity to burst into the market much like OPO by embracing developers openly. It definitely has helped OPO.
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Exactly!
WHERE IS OUR FREE PONY???
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This is like getting a free pony, but them taking away the stable you originally bought for it, so it's just going to die.
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I won't copy my entire response to Peter's blog post over here, but I'll copy this:
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Berzerker7 said:
This is like getting a free pony, but them taking away the stable you originally bought for it, so it's just going to die.
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Not to mention you have to ask for permission to use said pony via ZTE USA forum. Not sure how thatll work. I think want to keep a database of those who have roots there phones as you have fill out a form with name, IMEI and such. Seems excessive.
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Sup RCZrider its starkiller base from zte :highfive:
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Haha. I like it when folks use the same handle on multiple forums. Makes it easier to keep up
Unlocking the bootloader versus taking a risk on their lack of quality control.... I guess that is all I need to say, I won't be purchasing an Axon 7!
Well I have the Axon 7 and I think it is a great phone has very good specs. and I haven't had any problems with it which I guess I have to consider myself lucky based on others having issues. But I have requested the bootloader unlock because I like to use custom roms on my phones. I am also concerned about the warranty being voided if you unlock the bootloader since there could be hardware issues occur having nothing to do with unlocking the bootloader. Which I expressed this on ZTEUSA forum hopefully they will change this to cover hardware issues, and if you read the comments from others there they also agree with what I have said so lets hope ZTE does to.
Problem solved!
This is great news. I was really torn between the OP3 and Axon 7. Now it's no contest. The next time I'm in the market for a phone, I'll see if ZTE's changed their policy. The hardware is still compelling.
Hola
A follow up question to those in the know, is it at all possible to get root on a official unlocked bootloader request, and then be able to somehow replicate the root process on locked devices? The idea or hope is that with an unlocked bootloader, there are some methods that our super devs can invoke to get root on even locked phones.
While I honestly knew that ZTE would provide unlocking bootloader (due to very vocal XDA / geeky folks) I also saw the voiding of the warranty part... it's only logical for a mid-sized OEM to take the sort of easy way out. ZTE is not developer friendly (from recent history).
While I may be ok with stock MiFlavor UI, root is more important for me as it can for the most part allow me to customize the areas that I want. Plus you'll never get very stable and fully functional AOSP based ROMs without full sources from the OEM... the audio, fingerprint, camera sub-systems are very likely closed sourced.
So, you have a broken speaker or bad battery by any chance, you are SOL'ed if you unlocked.... No thanks!
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Not to mention you have to ask for permission to use said pony via ZTE USA forum. Not sure how thatll work. I think want to keep a database of those who have roots there phones as you have fill out a form with name, IMEI and such. Seems excessive.
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I'll wait for someone to post their unlocking tools on the forums so I can unlock my phone without ZTE knowing.
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So, you have a broken speaker or bad battery by any chance, you are SOL'ed if you unlocked.... No thanks!
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Pretty much. And while there isn't really that much evidence to suggest the Axon 7 is plagued with manufacturing defects, there are enough issues reported on the ZTE forum that I wouldn't want to risk unlocking the bootloader within the return period (although I ordered from B&H and I doubt they would notice or care if it was unlocked).
My gray is still on preorder, scheduled to ship next Monday or Tuesday (for delivery on the 17th, I believe). I'll give it the full 30 days - so middle of September - for an enterprising dev to discover a way to flash recovery and gain root without unlocking the bootloader. If they can't, and even if there's nothing wrong with the phone itself (except the unimpressive camera), back to B&H it goes. I'm not especially impressed by the OP3, but the 2016 Nexus devices should be available for preorder in late September and shipping in October, so I may go that route as long as Google doesn't do something stupid with their pricing. And if not the Marlin, then the Zenfone 3 Deluxe bears some consideration if it's not stupidly priced.
Sorry, ZTE, you had your chance and blew it. I really wanted you to succeed, too
WTH you get a bootloader unlock like you wanted but now you're pissed on the voided warranty!?!?!
Its called protection form the morons that bork their phones out of the gate which happens on a regular basis. WHY SHOULD THEY PAY FOR SOME ONES STUPIDITY?
I also like how the people that root think they are special snow flakes and will make or break a company if their demands aren't met. This community ( custom users) is only a small part of the total number of devices sold and is only a blip on the financial map of a company...LOL