Just out of interest, are any devs working on hacking bootloader? We had similar thing with HTC Sensation, where HTC promised unlock tool ( and fulfilled their promise) but AlphaRevX beat them to it with Revolutionary. Advantage of Revolutionary is that HTC don't know about you unlocking bootloader and its easy to return to complete stock for warranty purposes.
I'd rather do it this way than official way. So, is anyone working on it? I think I've seen IEF lurking around here.
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This is for the prime right? Cos the voodoo root tool also has an unroot option, I've returned 2 primes so far, both rooted, and unrooted. Using voodoo, had no problems returning them. Chances are they will be returned to asus by who ever you buy from, not sure places like comet or pcworld would have any idea how to check if you have altered anything and by the time they make it back to asus you will have your replacement. I even forgot to unroot a htc desire once returned it to virgin and never heard anything more about it.
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This is for the prime right? Cos the voodoo root tool also has an unroot option, I've returned 2 primes so far, both rooted, and unrooted. Using voodoo, had no problems returning them. Chances are they will be returned to asus by who ever you buy from, not sure places like comet or pcworld would have any idea how to check if you have altered anything and by the time they make it back to asus you will have your replacement. I even forgot to unroot a htc desire once returned it to virgin and never heard anything more about it.
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I'm not talking about root. I'm talking about security off flag here, which would allow flashing custom roms.
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Tinky, I too am wondering about this. I know that early on in the forums people were talking about the encryption and the difficulty in unlocking the bootloader of the prime. I also don't know if the announcement of the unlock tool so quickly might have discouraged devs from trying. I hope they are out there working on it but I haven't seen anything about it here.
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Tinky, I too am wondering about this. I know that early on in the forums people were talking about the encryption and the difficulty in unlocking the bootloader of the prime. I also don't know if the announcement of the unlock tool so quickly might have discouraged devs from trying. I hope they are out there working on it but I haven't seen anything about it here.
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HTC announcement didn't discourage AlphaRev team. So there is hope, I hope.
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I looked to buy the Nook Tablet for a while before I realized I had more money than I thought. My Prime is on its way.
The thing is they have found 2 ways past the locked bootloader. One is an exploit in the code and another was said to be universal. The coding talk was way over my head, however someone should definitely check them.
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Well, not many people are daring enough to risk bricking a $500 tablet. I would though if something like RUU for HTC were present. Sadly though, I heard NVFLash don't work.
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Well, not many people are daring enough to risk bricking a $500 tablet. I would though if something like RUU for HTC were present. Sadly though, I heard NVFLash don't work.
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Once bootloader is unlocked you can use update.zip to flash RUU back. It doesn't have to be RUU.exe
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I'm not talking about root. I'm talking about security off flag here, which would allow flashing custom roms.
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Sorry my mistake then. Personally i very much doubt they will unlock the bootloader until they aren't spending all their time with fixing other things. Last thing they will want to do is have to deal with peoples bricked primes. Even if its the users fault it will still take time to work out what they have done, cos the shops will be the ones returning them. Not the user.
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I looked to buy the Nook Tablet for a while before I realized I had more money than I thought. My Prime is on its way.
The thing is they have found 2 ways past the locked bootloader. One is an exploit in the code and another was said to be universal. The coding talk was way over my head, however someone should definitely check them.
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What is your source for these statements?
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I looked to buy the Nook Tablet for a while before I realized I had more money than I thought. My Prime is on its way.
The thing is they have found 2 ways past the locked bootloader. One is an exploit in the code and another was said to be universal. The coding talk was way over my head, however someone should definitely check them.
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Can you link us the two sources you read. Id be interested myself as a programmer.
I don't think that the quality Devs are working on this. Or they're being drowned out by all the crap on these forums. Coming from the Captivate, galaxy s, and nook communities on XDA, this forum is a mess, and its not the fault of any mod. I would hate to be a mod on this forum.
As for attacking the bootloader, I think that many are waiting to see what method Asus uses to see if they can duplicate it for ourselves. With no UART access known yet or secure recovery option, no ones wants to risk it, as was mentioned earlier. We need an AdamOutler or the like to unify the work being done and take the lead on this tablet.
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Its gonna be difficult for any Devs to unlock the bootloader because if i recall the Primes BL is not only locked but encrypted as well...Without the keys..finding a way is extremely difficult..so unless someone from Asus decides to give use the keys..we're stuck waiting for the unlock solution from Asus..Devs don't wanna brick their devices as stated since its so difficult finding a prime..Another device I have the Atrix also had a locked and ecrypted bootloader...it was only unlocked when Moto unofficially leaked a build that had a fastboot unlock command present.
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Its gonna be difficult for any Devs to unlock the bootloader because if i recall the Primes BL is not only locked but encrypted as well...Without the keys..finding a way is extremely difficult..so unless someone from Asus decides to give use the keys..we're stuck waiting for the unlock solution from Asus..Devs don't wanna brick their devices as stated since its so difficult finding a prime..Another device I have the Atrix also had a locked and ecrypted bootloader...it was only unlocked when Moto unofficially leaked a build that had a fastboot unlock command present.
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I remember that as well. However, I don't know if you remember kholk over in the Atrix forums. He was said to be extremely close to cracking the bootloader. Also, we had a custom recovery long before a bootloader unlock. I wonder when we will see one for the Prime.
You just have to go over Nook Tablet forum on XDA, its exactly AdamOutler and others, Nemith etc who unlocked the thing. I followed them in real-time from november to january. The threads in android development are all there, ex : " Unlocking the bootloader and next steps "
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Developers are smart. They're also patient. I believe that instead of unlocking something that will be officially unlocked in a month, they choose to bide their time or attempt other projects.
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Its gonna be difficult for any Devs to unlock the bootloader because if i recall the Primes BL is not only locked but encrypted as well...Without the keys..finding a way is extremely difficult..so unless someone from Asus decides to give use the keys..we're stuck waiting for the unlock solution from Asus..Devs don't wanna brick their devices as stated since its so difficult finding a prime..Another device I have the Atrix also had a locked and ecrypted bootloader...it was only unlocked when Moto unofficially leaked a build that had a fastboot unlock command present.
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That didn't stop AlphaRev from unlocking HTC Sensation and multiple other HTC phones (encrypted bootloader I mean). There is always a workaround, its just a matter of finding it if anyone is looking at it.
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So I helped adam and those guys root and unlock the nook tablet, and let me tell you we spent countless nights working on it. It was only in the source code that we found the loop hole. I'll go snooping around the source code to see if there's anything I can use. There's always a fail safe designed into the system the question is why would we need need it. They said they were going to release it in February so let's give them their time and see what they can do.
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So I helped adam and those guys root and unlock the nook tablet, and let me tell you we spent countless nights working on it. It was only in the source code that we found the loop hole. I'll go snooping around the source code to see if there's anything I can use. There's always a fail safe designed into the system the question is why would we need need it. They said they were going to release it in February so let's give them their time and see what they can do.
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Well I suppose technically they have a week left to do it, but come on, do we really think they'll release it next week? How long did it take for the original transformer? did they promise an unlocked BL for that?
Asus download site now has Unlock Device v6 for ICS in the support section
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I dont think this has been posted, But here is the latest on the HTC Bootloader unlock
http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/03/htc-explains-official-bootloader-unlock-process-asks-you-to-sig/
Yeah that sucks, but what did you really expect? HTC can't be expected to support unlocked phones bc ppl can really screw up their phones if they don't know what they're doing. HTC is only protecting themselves and this was absolutely expected IMHO. Good news article though regardless.
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Thanks for the info, didn't catch that. Please keep in mind next time that this may be an official development for information on the official bootloader unlock, but that does not make it development, this technically belongs in general.
No your right, it wasnt posted in DEVELOPMENT, it IS however posted in GENERAL (where it belongs!)
Hmmm.... Lets see here.
1. Root Phone w/ out HTC.
2. Do whatever you want.
3. Have hardware error and need warranty repair.
4. Back to stock we go!
5. ????
6. Profit!
Umad HTC?
had a feeling that was going to happen but not to sound hard on you this is the development section this should be placed in general section just a heads up
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No your right, it wasnt posted in DEVELOPMENT, it IS however posted in GENERAL (where it belongs!)
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Wow, it got moved really fast! Lol
So what would that do to Sprint insurance if you root with HTC? Does that mean you might as well cancel it or will Sprint still replace?
Do you think HTC knows we already have these devices unlocked. Lol
Although sucks if this is where Androids future is going.
I'm glad that some companys have listened to the community. We asked for them to give us unlocked bootloaders t and they are ACTUALLY delivering. Of course it voids the warranty I'm not suprised at all. Stops *****ing bout it cuz they could've NOT unlocked them and than everything would be the same. Change is good in my opinion.
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Makes good sense to me - Archos says the same (or similar) and it hasn't stopped people.
Maybe it'll clear out the riffraff.
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Makes good sense to me - Archos says the same (or similar) and it hasn't stopped people.
Maybe it'll clear out the riffraff.
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Definitely will. We'll have less people coming over to this forum and whining at us because we won't hold their hand through the entire rooting process (although there has been enough of that already anyways), and more time for expansion ROM cooking.
And +1 to easily being able to fool anyone into thinking our warranty isn't void.
Lets be honest here, anyone on this forum would never use the MFW anyways, we are all here for one reason and one reason only. To get the most out of our phones and exploit their capabilities. You technically void your warranty with any other root anyways, so what's the difference? We are all taking a risk at doing anything with our phones in the first place. I can't say I blame HTC for taking their stand. They will give you the unlock, but you have to be willing to put your feet in the water too.
I just think it's funny. During the flame wars there were multiple people saying "htc would not release something that voids warranty."
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I saw this posted yesterday, but ever since I started rooting phones with my Hero a year and a half ago I always knew it technically voided the warranty. It is easy to switch back to stock and I have never had them even check when I returned a phone in the past.
Glad that they are going to release it. Not suprised that it voids the warranty. No different than putting mods on your car.....
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Lets be honest here, anyone on this forum would never use the MFW anyways, we are all here for one reason and one reason only. To get the most out of our phones and exploit their capabilities. You technically void your warranty with any other root anyways, so what's the difference? We are all taking a risk at doing anything with our phones in the first place. I can't say I blame HTC for taking their stand. They will give you the unlock, but you have to be willing to put your feet in the water too.
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This is exactly why it was in HTCs best interest to release the unlocked bootloader before we got perm-root.
To bad...they fail.
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Isn't that what RUU's are for?! I haven't had any problems at all returning previously rooted phones to Sprint, even after bricking my GF's Optimus S trying to get it back to stock, they took it back and gave us a new one. If you don't know how to revert to stock, you shouldn't be messing with root in the first place.
Just my opinion..
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Well...I think It's cool they are unlocking the bl ..even though at this point It's futile and the people who know what they are doing already have Their phone unlocked..I'm not gonna give them much credit though..they should not have locked it down in the first place..It's like someone punching you in the face and then giving them credit or appreciation when they apologize
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It's like someone punching you in the face and then giving them credit or appreciation when they apologize
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This made me LOL.
+1 to RUU to stock... Funny story, when I traded in my Hero at Best Buy, the guy saw my CM7 Gingerbread ROM and was like, "Sweet, didn't know you could put gingerbread on this thing." He never even batted an eye that it was rooted.
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I'm losing faith in the quality of HTC's dependability. They even drop your warranty if you transfer your evo to another line on your account. That's retarded because you're still the user of the device.
So I know there are already some pretty talented devs working on the prime. My quotation is... Is anyone working on unlocking the bootloader? Just curious.
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I doubt anyone is working on it. Asus has already said they will unlock it. It would be nice if a dev could figure it out so we didn't have to possibly void our warranty, but hacking an encrypted bootloader is not easy without a leak from Asus or direct help from them.
Yep we need a leak, bc 128 bit encryption ain't no picnic
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No one is gonna work on the boot loader since it would take so much work to gain such little ground with the unlook tool coming at some point.
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Thought u cracked the bootloader viperboy????
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sporty377 said:
Thought u cracked the bootloader viperboy????
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Not sure if serious...
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Not sure if serious...
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On a serious note... Can't wait... My prime should be here next week. Can't wait until we get an unlock and have ViperROM on this beast! I'm about to switch back to it on my 3D!
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What we should do is start asking Asus when are they going to unlock it for us. They claimed once ICS dropped we would get access. I have wrote on there FB and twitter profiles and asked when are we going to get it unlocked. I think we need to ban together again and spam the crap out of them to get what they said they were going to give us.
We have bigger fish to fry, let them get this thing working correctly first, we have root, just have to wait a little bit. I read on here somewhere about a February release time frame..........
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What we should do is start asking Asus when are they going to unlock it for us. They claimed once ICS dropped we would get access. I have wrote on there FB and twitter profiles and asked when are we going to get it unlocked. I think we need to ban together again and spam the crap out of them to get what they said they were going to give us.
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Because asus really needs another thing to be bothered with right now, when their current flagship tab is experiencing many quality control issues.
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Because asus really needs another thing to be bothered with right now, when their current flagship tab is experiencing many quality control issues.
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I agree. As much as I'd love an unlock tool now, I'd say we should all wait until most of the problems settle down a bit before we go spamming them about it.
Yeah, but we could have the developers here working for us as well. A lot of them could do better jobs than most companies to fix the problems. Having asus working on one end and developers here, we could accomplish so much. Once the bootloader is unlocks it will still take some time for the developers to do there thing. So the earlier they have access, the better IMO
Sorry to revive a dead thread but I didn't want to make a new one.
Why wouldn't devs want to unlock it? That way we don't have to void our warranty. Also, how do we know it will be a complete "unlock"? If you have looked at HTC's unlock tool, you'll know what I mean. If you use HTC's unlock tool, it makes it a ***** to flash kernels, cant be done through recovery, and they cannot flash radios with their unlock tool. How do we know that asus won't pull the same ****. This is just my opinion though. I'm not a dev by any means.
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I'm sure the devs would love to just be able to unlock it but the encryption they use is so good you basically need Gary Key or someone from Asus to leak us the bootloader encryption key. Brute force methods would apparently take longer than the life of the device.
I just wonder how many devices would not have been returned if we could do a proper wipe on our own had the bootloader not been encrypted.
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Sorry to revive a dead thread but I didn't want to make a new one.
Why wouldn't devs want to unlock it? That way we don't have to void our warranty. Also, how do we know it will be a complete "unlock"? If you have looked at HTC's unlock tool, you'll know what I mean. If you use HTC's unlock tool, it makes it a ***** to flash kernels, cant be done through recovery, and they cannot flash radios with their unlock tool. How do we know that asus won't pull the same ****. This is just my opinion though. I'm not a dev by any means.
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I flash kernels every couple of days with my HTC unlocked method Evo 3D. The only thing that sucks is that I have to be at a PC to use the fastboot method to get into recovery. There is also an app that you can use to flash a kernel. I haven't tried it yet, but I heard it works great. I haven't tired flashing a radio yet though so I can't comment on that. If it was just a locked bootloader that would be one thing, but they (ASUS) put a 128bit encryption on the bootloader as well. It would take a long time for them to break it. Maybe with the unlock tool, someone could see how they use it and find out how to break it with out using the tool by ASUS. But we won't know until the tool is out and available to the public. I am hoping once it's available, and rom's/tweaks/kernels/ect start being made, more developers will buy a TFP and join in to make this tablet into a beast!!
I think Asus unlocking the bootloader would be a brilliant move for them. They would get rid of sooooo many warranty claims. It would be the single best thing they can do to keep the TP from becoming a major financial black hole for them.
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I think Asus unlocking the bootloader would be a brilliant move for them. They would get rid of sooooo many warranty claims. It would be the single best thing they can do to keep the TP from becoming a major financial black hole for them.
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Asus like any company comes down to being a business and businesses want money not to please every customer corporations are greedy and that's the facts
But don't you see ? If they allow you to unlock your bootloader, the moment you do that you are waiving away your rights to warranty. So one less warranty claim to worry about. One less warranty expense going against what must already be a very deep hole in their earnings.
It better be fully unlocked with an nvflash recovery! Otherwise I am returning it both of them and the dock
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Yeah, I know there has to be a lot of people who wouldn't have returned theirs if they could have simply downgraded back to Honeycomb while the issues with ICS were worked out. That along with it voiding everyone's warranties would have meant a whole lot Primes not getting returned.
Asus is in the business of making money though so apparently they make more of it by having a wifi tablet locked down while the returns roll in than they would otherwise. I can't imagine too many devices being bricked because of flashing roms but apparently ASUS has done the research that it is cheaper for them to do it this way.
It certainly isn't carrier influence, which I could see in the case of a 3G/4G device, but this is a wifi only device. No carrier to screw over here with tethering or whatever.
Just an FYI, I messaged ASUS on their FB page about the bootloader. They said that the unlocker is ready and they are just waiting for the final legal agreement that will be needed to proceed. Should be seeing it very soon....fingers crossed!
Im glad. But im still gunna wait a little. Probally untill some roms start showing up
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Source please?
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Try FB for the source (ASUS North America).....that's where I would look. Roy's post was on Sat at 12:20am. That should help you out but I don't see where they replied back with the info. Did they PM you the info?
Yeah I can't find the post and Asus has about 40 facebook pages so ya 1 for each country
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Any updated info on the bootloader unlocker for the Transformer Prime???
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ASUS Last I heard it's mostly finished. Just reviewing and going through the logistics and legal stuff involved. Should be coming out soon. -Mark, ASUS
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They really need to fix their Facebook fragmenting its worse than android fragmentation all the different pages contradict each other when they say stuff
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Any updated info on the bootloader unlocker for the Transformer Prime???
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Not to sound like a douche but id believe it more if you jus screen shot it since its a short convo. Much more believable IMHO
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Im glad. But im still gunna wait a little. Probally untill some roms start showing up
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I will wait a week or two as well. I want to see if they can find a way around using the Asus bootloader unlocker. I hope we get a lot of developers working on the TFP. The more the merrier
I'm surprised they didn't release it earlier. It'll free them up of people making anymore warranty claims on bad hardware. That's what scares me a bit. I'll wait until ROMs show up first. So far, no hardware issues for me.
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Try FB for the source (ASUS North America).....that's where I would look. Roy's post was on Sat at 12:20am. That should help you out but I don't see where they replied back with the info. Did they PM you the info?
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Hey dude, thats my post XD
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Hey dude, thats my post XD
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I know. It took me about 3 minutes to find it on FB. You said in your OP that you contacted them on FB, so I looked to see exactly what they had to say lol.
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Not to sound like a douche but id believe it more if you jus screen shot it since its a short convo. Much more believable IMHO
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Here you go.
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I will wait a week or two as well. I want to see if they can find a way around using the Asus bootloader unlocker. I hope we get a lot of developers working on the TFP. The more the merrier
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im interested in a way around it too. similar thing happened on epic 4g touch. unlocking the bootloader caused a counter to be set off and an ugly triangled appeared in the boot splash (proving unlocker was used). but after a while, they figured out how to do it without the phone recording it was unlocked. i want this for the prime, in case i ever have to send it in
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Here you go.
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thanks for s/s
@strechwookie - since they are using only a few SBKs for all Transformers I think the SBKs will soon be read from the tool so you can unlock without it.
Could be like the Atrix too, when unlocking it's bootloader you permantly burn a fuse... so while you may be able to "hide" the unlock on the boot screen by returning to stock, a savvy RMA tech could still tell if you had originally unlocked the bootloader.
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I rather think they are going the HTC way. This tool won't be some kind of *.exe you'll download but a webinterface.
You enter your serialnumber and it generates an unlock code based on the serial number.
This was ASUS will always know if you used their tool or not.
The only chance for us getting away with warranty is to write some kind of keygen which does the same as ASUS' tool.
If they are doing it right this won't be possible.
Of course someone could always try to hack the bootloader AlphaRevX style, but i guess not many would be brave & experienced enough to try that.
normally, and with every other device i have owned i have not hesitated to unlock bootloader and void warranty as i have been confident in its build quality, but with this, not so sure. I have already returned one for the reboot issue, an the current one i have has some kind of screen touch issue where when i touch the screen it creates a sort of watery thing under where i touch- only in one particular area of the screen, and there is a part under that which is too white... hard to explain , but long story longer, i dont trust Asus' build quality to void my warranty totally.
I still believe it should be like the nexus'- why should rooting automatically void ALL warranty? If they stuff up the screen, battery, chip etc how would me running a custom rom affect that (assuming it hasnt- eg. OC to extremes etc)...
so i will be RMAing my prime before unlocking and then i will think about it long and hard and hope for someone to come up with an unofficial way to unlock... plus Asus will probably screw us over like HTC did with their pseudo unlock...
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I'm surprised they didn't release it earlier. It'll free them up of people making anymore warranty claims on bad hardware. That's what scares me a bit. I'll wait until ROMs show up first. So far, no hardware issues for me.
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Not really, its normally fairly easy to reverse a root and put it back to factory settings so they will never know.
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Awesome! Thank you! Now I can genuinely be excited ^_^
Anyone know if any specific devs or groups are working on S-OFF for this phone? I know its still brand new, but was hoping to have some people to follow on Twitter.
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Anyone know if any specific devs or groups are working on S-OFF for this phone? I know its still brand new, but was hoping to have some people to follow on Twitter.
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None that I know of so far. To new at the moment and there wasn't the big pre-order like the SG3 had to create a large user base.
Wonder if paperclips will be resurrected for this device like the rezound..
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Wonder if paperclips will be resurrected for this device like the rezound..
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Whatever works. lol
There is a toolset in development forums to unlock and get permanent root.
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There is a toolset in development forums to unlock and get permanent root.
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HTCDev unlock + permanent root does not equal S-OFF. Unlocking your bootloader with HTCDev leaves S-ON but gives you the access to install a custom recovery and custom ROM, while restricting your ability to flash radios and kernels (not entirely restricting, mind you, but it just requires a workaround). S-OFF means a complete removal of limitations from your phone, including the ability to directly manipulate the kernel and radio. Although S-OFF is not absolutely necessary for what most people do with rooted phones (recoveries and ROMs still work fine with S-ON), some people prefer complete S-OFF.
That being said, since the bootloader is unlockable with S-ON, the impetus of getting S-OFF is significantly reduced and thus there are fewer people working on it than there were on, say, the original Incredible where it was the only way.
Chances are you will get a lazy panda port.
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That being said, since the bootloader is unlockable with S-ON, the impetus of getting S-OFF is significantly reduced and thus there are fewer people working on it than there were on, say, the original Incredible where it was the only way.
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This is what I'm worried about. I have had multiple returns with my original Dinc and my Inc2, so voiding my warranty via HTCDev is not an option for me.
con247 said:
Chances are you will get a lazy panda port.
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Doesn't that require to be unlocked first or has that been bypassed now?
I've sent back many phones here at work that were unlocked and "tampered". Never had a problem whatsoever. Really I think what they mean by voiding your warranty is if you did something after unlocking it that was completely unrecoverable by HTC (which honestly I think is next to impossible) then there's a possibility that they could not honor the warranty. Really I think it's more of a disclaimer that is more based on legal obligations than it is a threat or warning.
I think it depends largely on the cause of the damage to your device. If you're returning a device because of an obvious physical hardware problem (shattered screen, for example), they aren't going to say "oh, whoops, your device's software was tampered with which obviously made the screen break, no go" and anger you as a customer. So I don't think you have to worry about that. However, if you're returning because of something that could be linked to software (audio not working or the phone failing to boot, for example), they will definitely void your warranty. The "tampered" thing is just in place to shield them against warranty abuse--it would cost them a lot of money if a lot of people unlocked via HTCDev, did something stupid to brick their device, and then got it replaced if HTC had no grounds to void their warranty. It's also used as a dissuasion for less experienced users who might risk it if they knew the warranty was solid but wouldn't risk unlocking the bootloader if they were worried about having to replace the device at full price.
But really, the best solution to all of that (in my opinion) is to get the Asurion insurance through Verizon. It's a little extra money, but you know you'll always be able to replace your device for $100 even after the warranty expires and they usually do not even bother to look at the replacement phone before they RUU it back to factory. People have sent rooted phones with custom ROMs installed to Asurion (really obvious ones, like an Incredible running ICS) without a problem.
So this is kinda a dev question, but not really. More of a stock software question that needs dev knowledge to answer. And yes, I've done a significant amount of searching. In fact, this is the first time in two years that I haven't been able to find an answer that way. I'm sure someone will let me know if this isn't the best forum for this question, and if it isn't please do so.
I read on one of the threads about the bootloader f**kery that while anyone who got the ota is completely f'd, moPhos that shipped with 2.3.5 do not have such locked down bootloaders. Is this correct? Assuming it is, I have a hypothetical to pose.
Say the phone I'm working on is insured and has never been tampered with, so insurance is still valid. Owner wants ICS, but accepted the OTA, like many others, not knowing the consequences. I tell him it can't be done. Well, he keeps pestering me about it, saying there must be a way. One day he breaks his phone, and gets an insurance replacement. Now, if insurance sends him another moPho 4g, this one would have been updated at the factory, and thus not have the crappy bootloader, correct? Without the impregnable bootloader, downgrading bootloader should be possible and then have some fun, yes?
So basically, and hypothetically, would getting an insurance replacement maybe be a way around the bootloader problem?
Brief description of my experience with Android devices:
Devices owned and heavily modded: HTC G1, HTC Droid Incredible, Motorola Triumph, HTC Evo V
Devices moderately-heavily modded for others: Evo 4g, Inspire, Galaxy Nexus, Droid 2, Bionic, and a couple of ICS tablets
Summary: Not an expert dev, but far from a noob at this point. Enthusiast, I would say.
This could work if your client's device was an electrify, but as far as I know its not possible to unlock the bl on a photon shipped with 2.35.
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Some have posted they got 2.3.4 back from an exchange.
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