Is anyone working on a way to remove WebOS completely from our devices? I mean for those of us who have no desire to retain any part of the system, nor use it ever. It seems like an awful waste of space.
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unsivil_audio said:
Is anyone working on a way to remove WebOS completely from our devices? I mean for those of us who have no desire to retain any part of the system, nor use it ever. It seems like an awful waste of space.
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I think this will be done once we have a very stable port of android running.
Right now webos isn't taking up that much space and its nice to have a backup just in case. I'm with you though in wanting to eventually remove it completely.
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muyoso said:
I think this will be done once we have a very stable port of android running.
Right now webos isn't taking up that much space and its nice to have a backup just in case. I'm with you though in wanting to eventually remove it completely.
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I believe it needs to be there for Android to work. Plus a lot of people like it including dalingrin
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I believe dalingrin stated in one of the earlier release notes for one of the alphas that he does not plan on finding a way to remove webos entirely (He likes it, and it can serve as a backup in case android turns to poo). But who knows, maybe some dev will find a way, only time will tell
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I would prefer to have it as well. Just want to play with open source webOS.
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I just see no point in keeping it. I haven't used it since I got cm9 on my TP. Also it would be nice to only boot into moboot with a button combination, like recovery on other devices.
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I have a few questions.
What are you putting on your touchpad that those ~2 GB are such a big deal? Also, if space was a concern why didn't you buy a 32GB model. I have 8 of the 10.5 storage available, and 1.1 of the system 1.5 free. I have all the apps I could want. Until last week there was no point putting movies on there, but now Netflix works I don't see a point anyway.
You can change the moboot delay to 1 sec (changing the delay to 0 will remove the auto boot, it just sits at moboot). Is a 5 second delay really such a big inconvenience every time you power cycle the device? How often are you power cycling the device anyway? At my check before I installed alpha 2 I had over a week of up time. I see no need to reboot the device unless I am flashing something.
While I almost never boot into webOS since CM9, I still see the value in a back up OS. And webOS is an elegant, smooth, intuitive experience. It would be one thing if CM7 was the back up, then i would be all over removing it. Yeah, the webOS app selection is bad, but so is tablet optimized android app selection. A solid web browser is 80%+ of my use on the TP. webOS had better browsers than gingerbread.
I just don't see the point of a new "how do I remove webOS?" thread every two weeks. Especially when the resounding response is generally "why?"
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I have a 32gb version, and with no expandable storage every gig on that thing is precious. IDK about you, but I have wayyyyy more than 32gb of music. Also as long as we have an ability to boot into clockworkmod, there is absolutely no reason to retain a "backup" os as you call it. As for power cycling my device, it just depends on whether or not I want to save battery; or if I encounter a bug (like touchscreen unresponsiveness or SOD).
IDK why, but to me this seems like it should be a trivial task to streamline this into a full fledged android device at this point. Also, I wasn't aware there were any threads about how to remove WebOS, I looked at the main page and expected to find one but didn't. Ergo, this thread.
Not trying to be rude-
I was forced to see this thread when I tried to open a new thread titled "Remove webOS":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1453930
A search for "Remove webOS" also found that thread in the general section and the following in just the first page of results on the Q&A forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1461517&highlight=remove+webos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490575&highlight=remove+webos
I found those with less than 5 minutes of searching on xda.
A google search returned this as the first result (searched "remove webos"):
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/8571-anyway-to-remove-webos/
Again, I know this sounds condescending, but it's frustrating to see this question constantly. Maybe it's because on the Galaxy S II forum we are flooding with the same questions at least weekly; "How do I install an i9100 ROM?", "Where is ICS?", "I installed a i9100 ROM without reading the instructions, my phone is acting weird".
You weren't the first to ask this question, and you won't be the last to ask it. I bet we'll see another thread before February is over. Outside of the threads dedicated solely to this question there has been a lot of discussion of this topic. On twitter, Rootzwiki, and here on xda. There is more to it than just a penchant for webOS. I am fairly certain the android system could not function without some of the webOS architecture or files. I cannot find where I saw that off hand, but I am pretty sure that currently it's not possible, even if some of the devs wanted to do it. I didn't respond with this the first time, because I could not find the source.
I also have much more than 32GB of music. But with Google Music, Pandora, Slacker, and other similar apps I don't see the need to put music on my device. If you played all your music non-stop how long would it run before repeating? Days? I only have 500MB on my phone because there is no need for an artist discography when I only want 3 of their songs.
CWM is not a backup OS. It's a utility. Yes, i have never borked CWM, but if you have too many moboot entries how can you fix that from CWM? You can't. You have to either be in webOS or Android. When switching from one ROM to another often both entries are there, and for me more often than not neither will boot. I just get boot failures. Without webOS I would have to use webOS doctor to completely wipe the device and start over, and reinstall android completly fresh. This happened to me at least 5 times in the past two months.
I posted from the android app, you don't see suggestions of similar threads.
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I posted from the android app, you don't see suggestions of similar threads.
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That brings up an interesting point. How did you get the xda app to run on the touchpad? Are you using tapatalk? I could not get the xda app to run on any CM7 or CM9 variant. Judging by the market comments the xda app doesnt run on any tablets, even legit ones.
Personally for that reason I don't think the mobile app should have the ability to create threads. Also the search function on the app is beyond useless.
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I've just been restoring it with titanium. As you can see it works fine on my nook color with ICS as well. ---v
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Hi, didn't want to clutter the "bad news" thread nontechnical noob questions. If the tablet won't boot from SD
1) Will it still possibly be rootable where I could side load apps? I could live with the stock ROM if I could sideload apks, maybe.
2) Am I right to assume even if it is rootable where I can add apps, it is much more likely that I could brick it somehow?
Dang, just really crappy timing. I actually bought gift cards to get it (so I could get some cash-back deals). I can't return the cards. I guess if this thing isn't worth it, I can use them to get a refurb color.
Very surprised and disappointed they went this route (if they really did).
Damn
Same here, I could live with side-loading. But I think it's a bit early to write off bootable SD. Hopefully it's here relatively soon as I'd like to leave the stock experience in place for family members.
As an aside, I've got the original Nook Color (rooted of course), as well as the Transformer. Even without the benefit of ICS, I found that I still resorted to grabbing the NC for my bedtime reading (Google Reader and articles in RIL, rather than actual books). 7" is perfect, 10" a bit unwieldy for me.
I picked up the NT today and am very happy I did. It's a nail in the coffin for the Transformer, gonna sell it as the NT will meet all my needs. I'm saying this based on the stock experience with the expectation that we'll have ROMs at some point.
But soon enough we'll have a) root and b) ICS on the NT. It's gonna be sweet!
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm yet to see an Android device that XDA geniouses couldn't root.
Including the crazy-ass encrypted Craporola devices.
Rooting might be doable, but if the bootloader is encrypted, then installing a custom ROM like CM7 might be out of the question.
Case and point: look at how much agony the owner of the Motorola Milestone (the GSM version of the Droid) went through. Far as i know, they just got the official Froyo ROM within last few month, and most likely won't get GB, ever.
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Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm yet to see an Android device that XDA geniouses couldn't root.
Including the crazy-ass encrypted Craporola devices.
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Yeah i figured as much but wasn't sure if there was something out there I wasn't aware of. I'm using an Atrix. Despite Motorola's best efforts, the community eventually got into this thing.
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Rooting might be doable, but if the bootloader is encrypted, then installing a custom ROM like CM7 might be out of the question.
Case and point: look at how much agony the owner of the Motorola Milestone (the GSM version of the Droid) went through. Far as i know, they just got the official Froyo ROM within last few month, and most likely won't get GB, ever.
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That would suck but I think I could live with it. I just noticed that some of the nook apps are the tablet version rather than the phone versions. Evernote and Netflix, for example. Root and sideloading would probably suffice, although B&N would lose some goodwill.
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I could honestly care less about custom roms or anything like that. I'm fine with the NT stock experience.
But sideloading would be a very very good thing, just so I can get the few apps I'd like to use onto the thing. I'm only gonna use it to consume media- but I'd like to decide which apps I use to do that.
Rooting will get most users far, but compare to a full blown CM7 rom, there still many short coming with just root.
Example:
1. Tablet soft buttons, the CM7 tablet soft key are vital in making a lot of side loaded application work in NC.
2. Custom keyboard. one of my favorite app on NC is the thumb keyboard, which make typing on the NC in landscape orientation feel natural. With Root, the user can install the keyboard, but won't be able to enable the keyboard, since B&N remove some of the menus settings.
3. Honeycomb and ICS, with the source code for ICS just came out, CM9 is on the horizon, without unlocking the bootloader, NT won't get a taste of either.
So Root is a great start, but for many android hackers and purist, it is not enough.
1. Tablet soft buttons, the CM7 tablet soft key are vital in making a lot of side loaded application work in NC.
I have button savior on my manually rooted NC. Works fine. Am I missing something?
2. Custom keyboard. one of my favorite app on NC is the thumb keyboard, which make typing on the NC in landscape orientation feel natural. With Root, the user can install the keyboard, but won't be able to enable the keyboard, since B&N remove some of the menus settings.
I got the Palm input keyboard working on my rooted NC. Worked great. I forget what I swapped it out for, but it wasn't a problem - you just have to tell the device that your preferred keyboard just happens to be named the same as its preferred keyboard and lives in the same place.
3. Honeycomb and ICS, with the source code for ICS just came out, CM9 is on the horizon, without unlocking the bootloader, NT won't get a taste of either.
This may be for the best.
I'm looking at Honeycomb now on a 10 incher, and I'm not as happy with what I'm seeing as I'd hoped. ADB is more challenging, and putting files on the device via mass storage device is right out, which means a lot of my tools for managing content on it are gone, too - manually copy over stuff that Calibre used to just take care of? Bleargh.
Honeycomb pretty much requires your real, fast computer talk to your honeycomb device, aka a ****ty slow computer, over a serial link as if it were a peer, rather than just being able to get the storage and write files to it.
And if you use linux, your good, fast computer can't even talk to the ****ty, slow one that google's deliivered because they didn't bothered to warn anyone about this far enough ahead of time for the linux folks to really get working on trying to port over that stupid set of media player commands. Who knew that anyone would all of a sudden decide they were going to pronounce a brain-dead media player communications interface as workable?
Once you unplug and being passively consuming your pr0n again, the tablet's all good and pretty.
http://soledadpenades.com/2011/06/12/honeycomb-mtp-and-linux/
Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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I truly hope that it won't be such an involved process for us, but still... very cool to read what the genius devs put together as a workaround on other devices. We just need to hope that they jump on the Nook Tablet like they did the NC.
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Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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I have a Defy, and it need too 2ndInit to start custom rom like CM7/MIUI.
I hope that NT will be no boot-locked, but if it's the sadly truth I think that port 2ndInit will be not too much hard.
well we already figured out how to side load apps. they dont pop up in NT's GUI, but with 2 buttons you can launch Go Launcher and within there you can see everything you installed.
I would actual prefer to have the stock Rom, just rooted. I had CM 7.1 on my NC but removed it because I actually do use the NC as bookreader and that would the primary use for a NT. I have a TF and soon a TF Prime for the full tablet experience, which IMHO really needs a 10 inch or bigger screen.
anyone else here notice a lag in the keyboard typing especially on browser, say like replying in a forum...plus the accuracy does not seem to be very good.
Same here! It was fine for a while after I disabled the ripple effect. But starts slowing down again. Its one of the main reasons I keep getting back to android. WebOS has nice interface.
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Yea but until wifi issues are fixed (unless I didn't read enough) on cm7 I may hold off bbefore putting android on it. Web os is sweet but its plain left out when it comes to apps. I feel ripped off actually lol.
There's an android app called sign my pad its awesome and may be what my wife needs for her work.
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Yea but until wifi issues are fixed (unless I didn't read enough) on cm7 I may hold off bbefore putting android on it. Web os is sweet but its plain left out when it comes to apps. I feel ripped off actually lol.
There's an android app called sign my pad its awesome and may be what my wife needs for her work.
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Wi fi is not perfect on cm7 but is working well enough to not have to use web os. You are missing out since Android is working great even in an alpha stage. There is no reason to not give it a try since there is no risk in doing so.
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No problems on WebOS keyboard; I kind of like it better than the stock android keyboards.
As for CM7 Android, it's definitely still an alpha product; it is great if you don't have any problems, but if you do, you are just out of luck. I had no problems with Alpha 2 with Xron's great package 1.37, but alpha 3 with Xron's 3.3 package gives me wifi nightmares. I've seen a few posts with problems like mine - the wifi has to be re-enabled after every boot - also, my wifi drops the connection after 3 or 4 minutes. Kills me because otherwise it is so great. I'd recommend trying it - maybe you'll be like most people and won't have any of the wifi problems.
iirc the breif reading i did so far its a dual boot? so i dont really lose webos at all and can boot into either OS?
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iirc the breif reading i did so far its a dual boot? so i dont really lose webos at all and can boot into either OS?
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Correct. You do not lose web os if you install cm7. That is the beauty of the touchpad. Two operating systems available in one tablet. You have a choice on which to use on demand.
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One of the things I like about the webOS keyboard is the accuracy of it, but there is indeed some lag when typing in some forms.
Also, Shift + Enter actually works on the webOS keyboard unlike all Android soft keyboards it's useful for the facebook site or entering a new line
And the webOS browser renders full pages better than most Android browsers as well
I've noticed that android keyboard works ligtyears better for me and typing and zero lag.
Typing seems good for me on WebOS. Sometimes taps seem a little off, but I'm not sure if it's me or not. Anywho, you may want to check out some of the patches in preware. There are some to address scrolling speed and you can disable the ripple effect on clicks.
Personally, I really like WebOS and haven't bothered with the CM7 alpha's yet (I do have two other Android devices in the house though -- one a Nook running CM7, so I know what's out there).
Is it possible to totally remove webos from the touchpad and install Android only? Would be nice to have the maximum storage space available. Thanks all.
I wouldn't want to remove webOS. I've been an Android user for a pretty long time, but find that I like webOS better.
In Cyanogen's original post, introducing their android port, they address this and say that webOS should be left on the tablet.
Actually it's pretty neat having dualboot, you get the best of both worlds. But to each their own. I haven't run across any posts that address this, but if I do, I'll post the link.
They wouldn't nuke webos because the android OS is still in alpha, so if anything should happen you'd be left with a dumb tablet.
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Definitely like the dual boot, prefer it that way!!
I wish I could ditch WebOS, waste of space on my tab, not booted into it since the day Alpha 1 was released and have no intention of ever booting into WebOS again.
Not a good idea to nuke webOS just yet as we do not have a stable release of any Android distribution yet.
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Another thing to think about is that portions of webos are necessary right now for booting cm7. Removing webos completely would result in a brick. Just sayin......
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And warranty purposes if you want a replacement/insurance claim
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I tried CM7 and Xron's take on it. I didn't think I was going to because I have a 4.3" android phone, no desire to see that experience scaled and stretched. I immediately saw I was right. Gingerbread does not lend itself to tablets well, IMO.
The first thing I did in android? Googled "moboot default webOS." I will leave it on there in the event I absolutely want to watch netflix or something. I just feel that the cards, and multi-tasking gestures in webOS is so much more intuitive.
I would try a Honeycomb build or ICS, but I just don't find a buggy phone OS a good fit for a tablet. Not that I'm complaining, its an alpha build, but even smooth and stable, I would not want 2.3 on here.
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I wish I could ditch WebOS, waste of space on my tab, not booted into it since the day Alpha 1 was released and have no intention of ever booting into WebOS again.
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afaik CM-Release states that WebOS hardly takes up any space so it would be dumb to ditch it just for space issues?
Don't plan on removing web os. The more I learn the more I think I can wait on a stable Android Port to live along side web os.
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I tried CM7 and Xron's take on it. I didn't think I was going to because I have a 4.3" android phone, no desire to see that experience scaled and stretched. I immediately saw I was right. Gingerbread does not lend itself to tablets well, IMO.
The first thing I did in android? Googled "moboot default webOS." I will leave it on there in the event I absolutely want to watch netflix or something. I just feel that the cards, and multi-tasking gestures in webOS is so much more intuitive.
I would try a Honeycomb build or ICS, but I just don't find a buggy phone OS a good fit for a tablet. Not that I'm complaining, its an alpha build, but even smooth and stable, I would not want 2.3 on here.
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yep thats my point too. great developement. stable and responsive alpha. but it still feels like a stretched phone os. webos feels so much more tablet optimized.
Well, we understand that it is just Alpha builds. However, going on about how you do not want to wipe WebOS because of Alpha/Beta/Not Tablet Roms, doesn't help. It is just a personal opinion there. I would love to wipe out the WebOS part as well, if nothing than to free up more space. However, I do understand that it is an essential part to the Mods to work and I would not. If the day comes and the Mods are independent, I would wipe it.
As far as warranty is involved, did you not just void the warranty by installing the CM on the touchpad?
Not to say webos is bad, but I just would rather dual booting Ubuntu-native and CM9 alpha 2.
How would you charge it if the battery was dead?
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How would you charge it if the battery was dead?
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How would you charge it if the battery was dead?
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I have the 16GB Touchpad. Currently running Android ICS (the CN version). Prior to that, I had Gingerbread... probably installed it back in October? My point is that I have not booted into webOS at all since October. I don't even remember what webOS looks like anymore.
My Touchpad is used daily and I have been happy 99% of the time. No real reason for me to keep webOS on it. On other other hand, how much storage space can I gain if I "nuke" webOS out of my Touchpad? Is it 2GB, 3GB, or perhaps more?
Thanks!
Firstly, lthe Android team doesn't have any way to do this. It is so till necessary on occasion to have WebOS on here, because the underlying firmware (below the kernel) requires it.
Secondly, even if you did completely remove all the other partitions from WebOS, yo would only gain yourself approximately one gig of space. 1056 MB to be exact. Then you need your /boot which is 30, so you gain 1024. Not a significant amount of space, so why bother, especially since you still need the WebOS in case something goes terribly wrong and out have to reform pat or reinstall anything.
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i think the better question should be: "when can we get a stable ICS on the HP Touchpad?"
it will be nice to be able to run just a "stable" ICS on the hp touchpad. i will never wipe out webos for any alpha or beta OS, even when i can.
Hi,
First of all, I did a forum search and it seems that not a lot of people are experiencing the same problem as me with the GS3 (almost all related entries are about HOX).
I own an international Galaxy S3, recently updated to Jelly Bean (Vodafone Spain firmware). Thing is multitasking management in my device is a complete crap... for instance, if I open the Kindle app (or the web browser or any other app), then open another app, wait 20 secs and open Kindle again through the multitasking button... it works as expected, reopening the app in the same state it was... but if I wait around 4 or 5 minutes, multitasking doesnt work, this means when I try to reopen the previous app, the S3 redraws it (refreshes it) so I lose the page i was reading on Kindle or the webpage and scroll I had opened in Chrome, etc etc etc.
It just seems to me that memory management in this device goes like this: "Do a kill -9 to every running app process after a given (short) amount of time".
I really like Android and all that but, coming from an iPhone 4 as my previous phone, I've got to say that multitasking management in iOS was far superior... I could reopen apps that had been several hours in background and it always saved the app state, never experiencing these annoying "refreshes" or "redraws" or whatever it's called.
Is there any fix for this? Maybe some custom ROM with better memory management??
I just want to subscribe this thread. Interesting question!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1888081
There, enjoy 7+ apps at the same time.
There are several threads about this already... I know, because I made one of them and there was another one with the same subject. ("Multitasking issues?" And the other one was something with ram
To the topic, I'm having the same issues, but on the galaxy S2 I didn't experience such problems. I don't know but something is really f***** up with the memory management...
You can try making a swap partition, there is a thread somewhere on here about how to make one. That'll dump some memory on the SD CARD. Instead of killing the app..
I can assure you it is not a general android problem. As on the s2 with the same amount of memory (1gb) I didn't have any problems. I thought this phone would be an upgrade.. it is in many ways, but the memory management is really a huge let down...
So my recommendation for you is to first try to remove the bloatware (apps of Samsung or other using memory which you don't need) and see if it makes a change.
If you're still not satisfied try the swap partition.
This phone with it's current software configuration needed 1.5gb of Ram, but with some mods and tweaks you'll be fine!
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Same problem here
http://android.caotic.it/2012/10/samsung-galaxy-s3-presto-jelly-bean-4-1-2-con-multi-window/
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Put Samsung and Google against the wall...
I'd argue that it is a general android issue. I had exactly the same problem with a htc One X, which also has a high res screen and only 1Gb of mem.
I think the problems with the S3 is ignored because lots of the reports on the web about the S3 is about the US version, which runs fine on it's 2Gb.
This IS a big issue, and i wish someone with a bit of authority would stand up and put Samsung and Google against the wall.
The customers shouldn't have to tweak the OS by adding adding virtual memory management, and whatnot to get basic functionality working.
I had no problems running web radio software in the background on my htc Desire, but with my S3 I can't have anything in the background basically.
This really needs to be resolved. I'd rather have a simpler launcher and having RAM enough to keep stuff running in the background.
I'm running JB since a week ago now, and the behaviour is the same.
I must say I'm dissapointed with Android, first having to live with the Desire for years, that came with next to no space to install apps and now th S3 having no RAM to run in...
Hans
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I'd argue that it is a general android issue. I had exactly the same problem with a htc One X, which also has a high res screen and only 1Gb of mem.
I think the problems with the S3 is ignored because lots of the reports on the web about the S3 is about the US version, which runs fine on it's 2Gb.
This IS a big issue, and i wish someone with a bit of authority would stand up and put Samsung and Google against the wall.
The customers shouldn't have to tweak the OS by adding adding virtual memory management, and whatnot to get basic functionality working.
I had no problems running web radio software in the background on my htc Desire, but with my S3 I can't have anything in the background basically.
This really needs to be resolved. I'd rather have a simpler launcher and having RAM enough to keep stuff running in the background.
I'm running JB since a week ago now, and the behaviour is the same.
I must say I'm dissapointed with Android, first having to live with the Desire for years, that came with next to no space to install apps and now th S3 having no RAM to run in...
Hans
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Remember, this is the first Jellybean update batch, there should be tons of updates later fixing bugs instead of getting it "working", 1GB is enough when managed properly.
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I'd argue that it is a general android issue. I had exactly the same problem with a htc One X, which also has a high res screen and only 1Gb of mem.
I think the problems with the S3 is ignored because lots of the reports on the web about the S3 is about the US version, which runs fine on it's 2Gb.
This IS a big issue, and i wish someone with a bit of authority would stand up and put Samsung and Google against the wall.
The customers shouldn't have to tweak the OS by adding adding virtual memory management, and whatnot to get basic functionality working.
I had no problems running web radio software in the background on my htc Desire, but with my S3 I can't have anything in the background basically.
This really needs to be resolved. I'd rather have a simpler launcher and having RAM enough to keep stuff running in the background.
I'm running JB since a week ago now, and the behaviour is the same.
I must say I'm dissapointed with Android, first having to live with the Desire for years, that came with next to no space to install apps and now th S3 having no RAM to run in...
Hans
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The US 2gb version has a max hidden app limit of 50 hence no complaints.
The others have a 20 max hidden app limit.
Most android devices have a 15 max hidden app limit and some sense roms it's as low as 10.
How do I know?
Because I fixed it
http://goo.gl/IvGL1
There are other vital changes that I make but Maximum Overdrive the biggie.
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Remember, this is the first Jellybean update batch, there should be tons of updates later fixing bugs instead of getting it "working", 1GB is enough when managed properly.
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The problems are identical on 4.0.4, and I've not seen any acknowledgement on the issues neither from Samsung or Google. I used to think the Apple believers were the most tolerant to absent functionality, but this really puts us on the top as android users. I would probably accept it from a low end device for $100, but the S3 is the pinnacle, the superphone, in short, the dogs bollocks, or awesome, like a hundred billion hotdogs.
I think it just stinks and the thought of having to keep using the S3 every day for a year or two in the current sorry state really pisses me off. The thing is it's my work phone, and I don't expect I'll get a new premium phone if I try 'scrapgrading' it. If it was mine, I'll sell it in a hartbeat.
/Hans
The same non-existing multitasking brought me here. I got my GSG3 on Saturday, 4 days ago. Am loving it so far.
But one thing I was looking forward the most is mostly absent: switching between apps without them reloading every time I access them again.
I had a HTC Sensation (768mb RAM) where as soon as I left the browser and returned to it, the page was being reloaded, even if I just left quickly for checking my mails or whatsapp. Not cool if you're surfng on your mobile network and have a datacap. Same goes for Games.
Then I had a Xperia S (1 GB Ram) for a few weeks. Same crap. Even if I didn't leave the game but just clicked the standby button, the game would reload when unlockign the phone a few minutes later.
Am really disappointed to see this happen all over again with the Galaxy S3. iOS might not have real multitasking, but I'd take it any day over the crap we are being served.
Just ****ing freeze the app if you can't make it run constantly in the background, I don't care, I just want it to resume EXACTLY where I left it.
I always had the impression its because of low RAM. Even with the SGS3, my RAM is usually something like 730/833mb without really doing anything. Even after clearing memory it's still 614/833mb used. Of course stuff's gonna close.
I really wanted to go for a 2GB model but there simply is nothing on the market here in europe apart from the new Nexus 4. I actually wanted that one real bad - until I learned about 16GB, no SD Card slot and non-removable battery.
So yeah the SGS3 is awesome in many ways, but this blows. I have yet to find a phone that satisfies all my needs. Oh well maybe with the S4, but there's always something isn't it?>.<
before S3 a had a HTC Sensation..multi tasking din't work at all, it always refresh|reload apps
on S3 and android 4.0.4 i think multitasking work better but not so good
as far as i know the only one phone work well with multitasking is Google Nexus and the phones with clean OS from Google.
others brand make modification with OS for their launcher etc and multitasking was broken
This problem is so annoying. Even on my HTC Desire HD switching between apps worked better. I really hate Samsung for all the Touchwiz bloatware crap and for not releasing the Exynos sources/documentation.
Well, I don't have such problems, multitasking is working just fine here unless I open a 2 gb game or Google maps or Google Earth. My ram is between 530 and 640. I have some redraws on home screen sometimes, especially on the weather widget, I can't deny that. Also is true, no 2 gigs phone in Europe until now. I bought mine in May. I will get the S4 next year. Hope to see a better and faster phone.
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demlasjr said:
Well, I don't have such problems, multitasking is working just fine here unless I open a 2 gb game or Google maps or Google Earth. My ram is between 530 and 640. I have some redraws on home screen sometimes, especially on the weather widget, I can't deny that. Also is true, no 2 gigs phone in Europe until now. I bought mine in May. I will get the S4 next year. Hope to see a better and faster phone.
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demlasjr, close all apps and then try opening a page in the browser, leave with home key. start a game, leave again. then open whatsapp/messaging and leave again. finally, open any other app (FB or youtube or whatever) and leave one more time with home button.
Thats just 4 (four) apps! By now the phone has killed your game and your browser. Just bring up the recent apps menu and switch back to the browser. It will reload your entire page from scratch, not a big deal when on wifi but a real pain in the ass when on mobile data. Now try switching to you game, it will reload from the starting screen instead of from where you left.
This IS an issue. People in denial are either oblivious to it (the average user sure is) or they don't mind their apps relaoding from scratch. I could make a nice video to show it since alot of ppl pretend they don't have the problem, but I'm too lazy to prove the obvious and since our international GSG3's all run on 1gb and more or less the same firmware, this simply can not be the case. What is possible is people using only 2-3 apps all the time, thus they never experience the problem. But there are others who don't use their smartphones only for texting and FB.
As a reference, see this thread http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/629432-multitasking.html. Exactly what I'm talking about.
Only remedy so far is installing aokp, it alleviates the problem a bit because it allows more open apps. it's still not good.
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demlasjr, close all apps and then try opening a page in the browser, leave with home key. start a game, leave again. then open whatsapp/messaging and leave again. finally, open any other app (FB or youtube or whatever) and leave one more time with home button.
Thats just 4 (four) apps! By now the phone has killed your game and your browser. Just bring up the recent apps menu and switch back to the browser. It will reload your entire page from scratch, not a big deal when on wifi but a real pain in the ass when on mobile data. Now try switching to you game, it will reload from the starting screen instead of from where you left.
This IS an issue. People in denial are either oblivious to it (the average user sure is) or they don't mind their apps relaoding from scratch. I could make a nice video to show it since alot of ppl pretend they don't have the problem, but I'm too lazy to prove the obvious and since our international GSG3's all run on 1gb and more or less the same firmware, this simply can not be the case. What is possible is people using only 2-3 apps all the time, thus they never experience the problem. But there are others who don't use their smartphones only for texting and FB.
As a reference, see this thread http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/629432-multitasking.html. Exactly what I'm talking about.
Only remedy so far is installing aokp, it alleviates the problem a bit because it allows more open apps. it's still not good.
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I agree with you bro....I am struggling to find an alternate solution to this problem as I don't want to root my phone as I just bought it 15 days back.
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Read my post on page 1.
Its fixed.
Yesterdays update makes the fix all automatc.
http://goo.gl/IvGL1
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Read my post on page 1.
Its fixed.
Yesterdays update makes the fix all automatc.
http://goo.gl/IvGL1
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To be honest, saying something is fixed, and then pointing people to a page that suggests a fix which is just as confusing and difficult to use as the supercharger script, which I could not get to work for love nor money, won't help the majority of people who want a nice and easy fix to something that requires a nice and easy fix.
I tried the supercharger script a number of times and could never get it to stick no matter what I tried so the multitasking patch surely will be just as difficult to get working for the layman as that.
What people really need is a CWM runnable file that fixes this issue.
I will personally use a custom ROM that manages to fix or at least alleviate the issues until Nexus 4 comes back into stock or the Optimus G comes out next year lol.
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demlasjr, close all apps and then try opening a page in the browser, leave with home key. start a game, leave again. then open whatsapp/messaging and leave again. finally, open any other app (FB or youtube or whatever) and leave one more time with home button.
Thats just 4 (four) apps! By now the phone has killed your game and your browser. Just bring up the recent apps menu and switch back to the browser. It will reload your entire page from scratch, not a big deal when on wifi but a real pain in the ass when on mobile data. Now try switching to you game, it will reload from the starting screen instead of from where you left.
This IS an issue. People in denial are either oblivious to it (the average user sure is) or they don't mind their apps relaoding from scratch. I could make a nice video to show it since alot of ppl pretend they don't have the problem, but I'm too lazy to prove the obvious and since our international GSG3's all run on 1gb and more or less the same firmware, this simply can not be the case. What is possible is people using only 2-3 apps all the time, thus they never experience the problem. But there are others who don't use their smartphones only for texting and FB.
As a reference, see this thread http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s3/629432-multitasking.html. Exactly what I'm talking about.
Only remedy so far is installing aokp, it alleviates the problem a bit because it allows more open apps. it's still not good.
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I tried mate. I tried with Tapatalk + whatapp + yahoo mail in Dolphin + cut the rope. Everything works fine and no redraws or refreshes. Only with Google Earth and Maps or very very big games. I can even make a video to shop you that I have no issues. Try this combination and let me know if you have redraws
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Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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I see lots of development here for the nook. Too much, in fact, that no one seems to know what ROM to use.
I recommend just rooting the nook tablet so you can load the Android Market (AKA "Play Store") as well as the Amazon App store.
I recommend AGAINST installing any custom ROM found here on this forum. Too much fragmentation for too little benefit. (My opinion, of course).
I installed ADW launcher so I could access applications installed from the Play Store. If you use the Nook home launcher, you won't see these apps.
I rooted using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529553
This provided root access as well as the Play Store. I am happy with the tablet as it is - no custom ROM.
Have fun...
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DanGeorges said:
I see lots of development here for the nook. Too much, in fact, that no one seems to know what ROM to use.
I recommend just rooting the nook tablet so you can load the Android Market (AKA "Play Store") as well as the Amazon App store.
I recommend AGAINST installing any custom ROM found here on this forum. Too much fragmentation for too little benefit. (My opinion, of course).
I installed ADW launcher so I could access applications installed from the Play Store. If you use the Nook home launcher, you won't see these apps.
I rooted using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529553
This provided root access as well as the Play Store. I am happy with the tablet as it is - no custom ROM.
Have fun...
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There used to be an app, I think it was called "nook color app manager", that would allow you to add Market apps to your Nook Tablet app screen. I used to use it, but I can't find it in the Market now. It might have been something I sideloaded.
Edit It was sideloaded, but apparently no longer works with 1.4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760106
I disagree with the recommendation against installing a custom ROM. If you want to, go for it. For lots of people it's worth it to have their tablets exactly the way they want them. Unless you install the 5 touch upgrade you can always go back if you don't like it.
Also, IMO, the reason that the KF has more development than the NT even though the NT has much better stats is the bootloader. It took a long time before we were able to get around the bootloader (and even now it's a hack; a great hack but a hack nonetheless). Because of that a lot of would-be developers returned their NTs and went with other tablets (especially when the Nexus 7 came out at the same price as the NT16).
liquidzoo said:
There used to be an app, I think it was called "nook color app manager", that would allow you to add Market apps to your Nook Tablet app screen. I used to use it, but I can't find it in the Market now. It might have been something I sideloaded.
Edit It was sideloaded, but apparently no longer works with 1.4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760106
I disagree with the recommendation against installing a custom ROM. If you want to, go for it. For lots of people it's worth it to have their tablets exactly the way they want them. Unless you install the 5 touch upgrade you can always go back if you don't like it.
Also, IMO, the reason that the KF has more development than the NT even though the NT has much better stats is the bootloader. It took a long time before we were able to get around the bootloader (and even now it's a hack; a great hack but a hack nonetheless). Because of that a lot of would-be developers returned their NTs and went with other tablets (especially when the Nexus 7 came out at the same price as the NT16).
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Good points...
I have found that installing ADW launcher gives me a decent tablet experience without the risk of mucking around with hacked bootloaders and such.
I have access to Play Store apps, Amazon Apps, and B&N apps. I have a home screen launcher that works fine.
The only thing I would appreciate with a custom ROM would be the navigation soft-buttons. The navigation on the Nook's altered GB OS isn't the most elegant. But then again, it is billed primarily for purchasing and reading books and magazines.
The Kindle Fire got way more press than the Nook - and it's sleeker-looking (in some respects).
If I had a choice, I'd get a Nexus tablet - if only because it's a true Tablet that doesn't tie itself to an "ecosystem" (I hate that word, by the way).
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Try Button Savior if you want softkeys. They're not an ideal solution, but they work.
EDIT: Don't spend too much time in the first link - the second one is where the bulk of the good stuff is.
Dan, did you ever happen upon THIS thread? Read through the whole thing before you give it a shot, and don't forget to MAKE A BACKUP of your existing SystemUI.apk before you try anything. Also, give the screenshots some good lookings-over, as there are SEVERAL slightly different versions that folks post throughout the thread. Also, take a look HERE for the version I used before I started mucking about with custom or tweaked roms.
Most importantly, for anyone that does decide to install custom ROMs, check to make sure your ROM is for either 8GB or 16GB tablets before rooting!
I'm running a good job ROM with few issues, it's a battery drain but that OK.
I went back to stock w/a launcher for a few days but ended back on job again.
Nikkiel
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ninjasalad said:
Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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Umm...several months ago a bunch of us got together and ordered a NT for Rebellos (who lives in Poland), whose day job it is to code/decode software at the binary level. Since he got a chance to poke at it, we got ICS, JB, and an improved Cyanoboot. Development's moving faster than it is with the MyTouch 4G Slide at its age.
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