Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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ninjasalad said:
Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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I see lots of development here for the nook. Too much, in fact, that no one seems to know what ROM to use.
I recommend just rooting the nook tablet so you can load the Android Market (AKA "Play Store") as well as the Amazon App store.
I recommend AGAINST installing any custom ROM found here on this forum. Too much fragmentation for too little benefit. (My opinion, of course).
I installed ADW launcher so I could access applications installed from the Play Store. If you use the Nook home launcher, you won't see these apps.
I rooted using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529553
This provided root access as well as the Play Store. I am happy with the tablet as it is - no custom ROM.
Have fun...
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DanGeorges said:
I see lots of development here for the nook. Too much, in fact, that no one seems to know what ROM to use.
I recommend just rooting the nook tablet so you can load the Android Market (AKA "Play Store") as well as the Amazon App store.
I recommend AGAINST installing any custom ROM found here on this forum. Too much fragmentation for too little benefit. (My opinion, of course).
I installed ADW launcher so I could access applications installed from the Play Store. If you use the Nook home launcher, you won't see these apps.
I rooted using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529553
This provided root access as well as the Play Store. I am happy with the tablet as it is - no custom ROM.
Have fun...
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There used to be an app, I think it was called "nook color app manager", that would allow you to add Market apps to your Nook Tablet app screen. I used to use it, but I can't find it in the Market now. It might have been something I sideloaded.
Edit It was sideloaded, but apparently no longer works with 1.4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760106
I disagree with the recommendation against installing a custom ROM. If you want to, go for it. For lots of people it's worth it to have their tablets exactly the way they want them. Unless you install the 5 touch upgrade you can always go back if you don't like it.
Also, IMO, the reason that the KF has more development than the NT even though the NT has much better stats is the bootloader. It took a long time before we were able to get around the bootloader (and even now it's a hack; a great hack but a hack nonetheless). Because of that a lot of would-be developers returned their NTs and went with other tablets (especially when the Nexus 7 came out at the same price as the NT16).
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There used to be an app, I think it was called "nook color app manager", that would allow you to add Market apps to your Nook Tablet app screen. I used to use it, but I can't find it in the Market now. It might have been something I sideloaded.
Edit It was sideloaded, but apparently no longer works with 1.4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760106
I disagree with the recommendation against installing a custom ROM. If you want to, go for it. For lots of people it's worth it to have their tablets exactly the way they want them. Unless you install the 5 touch upgrade you can always go back if you don't like it.
Also, IMO, the reason that the KF has more development than the NT even though the NT has much better stats is the bootloader. It took a long time before we were able to get around the bootloader (and even now it's a hack; a great hack but a hack nonetheless). Because of that a lot of would-be developers returned their NTs and went with other tablets (especially when the Nexus 7 came out at the same price as the NT16).
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Good points...
I have found that installing ADW launcher gives me a decent tablet experience without the risk of mucking around with hacked bootloaders and such.
I have access to Play Store apps, Amazon Apps, and B&N apps. I have a home screen launcher that works fine.
The only thing I would appreciate with a custom ROM would be the navigation soft-buttons. The navigation on the Nook's altered GB OS isn't the most elegant. But then again, it is billed primarily for purchasing and reading books and magazines.
The Kindle Fire got way more press than the Nook - and it's sleeker-looking (in some respects).
If I had a choice, I'd get a Nexus tablet - if only because it's a true Tablet that doesn't tie itself to an "ecosystem" (I hate that word, by the way).
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Try Button Savior if you want softkeys. They're not an ideal solution, but they work.
EDIT: Don't spend too much time in the first link - the second one is where the bulk of the good stuff is.
Dan, did you ever happen upon THIS thread? Read through the whole thing before you give it a shot, and don't forget to MAKE A BACKUP of your existing SystemUI.apk before you try anything. Also, give the screenshots some good lookings-over, as there are SEVERAL slightly different versions that folks post throughout the thread. Also, take a look HERE for the version I used before I started mucking about with custom or tweaked roms.
Most importantly, for anyone that does decide to install custom ROMs, check to make sure your ROM is for either 8GB or 16GB tablets before rooting!
I'm running a good job ROM with few issues, it's a battery drain but that OK.
I went back to stock w/a launcher for a few days but ended back on job again.
Nikkiel
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ninjasalad said:
Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
Sent from my HTC Sensation using xda app-developers app
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Umm...several months ago a bunch of us got together and ordered a NT for Rebellos (who lives in Poland), whose day job it is to code/decode software at the binary level. Since he got a chance to poke at it, we got ICS, JB, and an improved Cyanoboot. Development's moving faster than it is with the MyTouch 4G Slide at its age.
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Hi, didn't want to clutter the "bad news" thread nontechnical noob questions. If the tablet won't boot from SD
1) Will it still possibly be rootable where I could side load apps? I could live with the stock ROM if I could sideload apks, maybe.
2) Am I right to assume even if it is rootable where I can add apps, it is much more likely that I could brick it somehow?
Dang, just really crappy timing. I actually bought gift cards to get it (so I could get some cash-back deals). I can't return the cards. I guess if this thing isn't worth it, I can use them to get a refurb color.
Very surprised and disappointed they went this route (if they really did).
Damn
Same here, I could live with side-loading. But I think it's a bit early to write off bootable SD. Hopefully it's here relatively soon as I'd like to leave the stock experience in place for family members.
As an aside, I've got the original Nook Color (rooted of course), as well as the Transformer. Even without the benefit of ICS, I found that I still resorted to grabbing the NC for my bedtime reading (Google Reader and articles in RIL, rather than actual books). 7" is perfect, 10" a bit unwieldy for me.
I picked up the NT today and am very happy I did. It's a nail in the coffin for the Transformer, gonna sell it as the NT will meet all my needs. I'm saying this based on the stock experience with the expectation that we'll have ROMs at some point.
But soon enough we'll have a) root and b) ICS on the NT. It's gonna be sweet!
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm yet to see an Android device that XDA geniouses couldn't root.
Including the crazy-ass encrypted Craporola devices.
Rooting might be doable, but if the bootloader is encrypted, then installing a custom ROM like CM7 might be out of the question.
Case and point: look at how much agony the owner of the Motorola Milestone (the GSM version of the Droid) went through. Far as i know, they just got the official Froyo ROM within last few month, and most likely won't get GB, ever.
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Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm yet to see an Android device that XDA geniouses couldn't root.
Including the crazy-ass encrypted Craporola devices.
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Yeah i figured as much but wasn't sure if there was something out there I wasn't aware of. I'm using an Atrix. Despite Motorola's best efforts, the community eventually got into this thing.
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Rooting might be doable, but if the bootloader is encrypted, then installing a custom ROM like CM7 might be out of the question.
Case and point: look at how much agony the owner of the Motorola Milestone (the GSM version of the Droid) went through. Far as i know, they just got the official Froyo ROM within last few month, and most likely won't get GB, ever.
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That would suck but I think I could live with it. I just noticed that some of the nook apps are the tablet version rather than the phone versions. Evernote and Netflix, for example. Root and sideloading would probably suffice, although B&N would lose some goodwill.
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I could honestly care less about custom roms or anything like that. I'm fine with the NT stock experience.
But sideloading would be a very very good thing, just so I can get the few apps I'd like to use onto the thing. I'm only gonna use it to consume media- but I'd like to decide which apps I use to do that.
Rooting will get most users far, but compare to a full blown CM7 rom, there still many short coming with just root.
Example:
1. Tablet soft buttons, the CM7 tablet soft key are vital in making a lot of side loaded application work in NC.
2. Custom keyboard. one of my favorite app on NC is the thumb keyboard, which make typing on the NC in landscape orientation feel natural. With Root, the user can install the keyboard, but won't be able to enable the keyboard, since B&N remove some of the menus settings.
3. Honeycomb and ICS, with the source code for ICS just came out, CM9 is on the horizon, without unlocking the bootloader, NT won't get a taste of either.
So Root is a great start, but for many android hackers and purist, it is not enough.
1. Tablet soft buttons, the CM7 tablet soft key are vital in making a lot of side loaded application work in NC.
I have button savior on my manually rooted NC. Works fine. Am I missing something?
2. Custom keyboard. one of my favorite app on NC is the thumb keyboard, which make typing on the NC in landscape orientation feel natural. With Root, the user can install the keyboard, but won't be able to enable the keyboard, since B&N remove some of the menus settings.
I got the Palm input keyboard working on my rooted NC. Worked great. I forget what I swapped it out for, but it wasn't a problem - you just have to tell the device that your preferred keyboard just happens to be named the same as its preferred keyboard and lives in the same place.
3. Honeycomb and ICS, with the source code for ICS just came out, CM9 is on the horizon, without unlocking the bootloader, NT won't get a taste of either.
This may be for the best.
I'm looking at Honeycomb now on a 10 incher, and I'm not as happy with what I'm seeing as I'd hoped. ADB is more challenging, and putting files on the device via mass storage device is right out, which means a lot of my tools for managing content on it are gone, too - manually copy over stuff that Calibre used to just take care of? Bleargh.
Honeycomb pretty much requires your real, fast computer talk to your honeycomb device, aka a ****ty slow computer, over a serial link as if it were a peer, rather than just being able to get the storage and write files to it.
And if you use linux, your good, fast computer can't even talk to the ****ty, slow one that google's deliivered because they didn't bothered to warn anyone about this far enough ahead of time for the linux folks to really get working on trying to port over that stupid set of media player commands. Who knew that anyone would all of a sudden decide they were going to pronounce a brain-dead media player communications interface as workable?
Once you unplug and being passively consuming your pr0n again, the tablet's all good and pretty.
http://soledadpenades.com/2011/06/12/honeycomb-mtp-and-linux/
Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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I truly hope that it won't be such an involved process for us, but still... very cool to read what the genius devs put together as a workaround on other devices. We just need to hope that they jump on the Nook Tablet like they did the NC.
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Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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I have a Defy, and it need too 2ndInit to start custom rom like CM7/MIUI.
I hope that NT will be no boot-locked, but if it's the sadly truth I think that port 2ndInit will be not too much hard.
well we already figured out how to side load apps. they dont pop up in NT's GUI, but with 2 buttons you can launch Go Launcher and within there you can see everything you installed.
I would actual prefer to have the stock Rom, just rooted. I had CM 7.1 on my NC but removed it because I actually do use the NC as bookreader and that would the primary use for a NT. I have a TF and soon a TF Prime for the full tablet experience, which IMHO really needs a 10 inch or bigger screen.
I think I'm going to wait awhile on mine. I'm beginning to see others having certain issues that a n00by like me would probably not enjoy All & all I'm happy with my rooted 1.40 Nook. I may just wait for the SD card version of CM7 to play with it. I sure do admire these guys that know how to work with this code and develop OS systems Sure wish I knew how to do this stuff.
I'm perfectly content with the way I currently have my NT set up. Rooted, OTA-blocked, using an alternate launcher, and having a shortcut to the default launcher if I want to read something or browse the Nook Store.
Now if CM9 becomes available on the NT, I might have to give that a shot.
I think some of the main features that a custom ROM such as CM7 can provide are bluetooth and multi-touch (which isn't available yet but currently under development). I'm not sure that's available for a rooted stock ROM. I saw some video of someone using a PS3 controller to play emulated games on their Nook Color so I can imagine that would be a great freature to add on.
I'm going to wait until they do further testing with CM7, at least until they get to a beta stage but I think it's the way to go for me.
I'm just waiting for a sure way to access the nook library. I have some magazine subscriptions that I don't wanna give up.
One of the main reasons I got the Nook Tab is because I saw that people were working on getting CM7/9 going on it. I had a $250 gift card from work to B&N, so it was a winning situation for me. I doubt I would have bought it if CM7 hadn't been on the horizon. I've actually never used it stock, I had it rooted and all B&N stuff stripped off within hours of buying it.
I definitely recommend flashing CM7 unless you are completely married to the stock B&N Stuff, then wait for the SD install method. Flashing CM7 is easier than most of the steps required to root, side load, fix unreadable menu's, etc, all the dumb crap I had to d to make this thing usable.
Almost everything is available in the market. No sideloading, no finding apps with your browser and tricking the market, almost everything works. All my important apps and favorite games have worked with no issues.
Menu's are all standardized, everything is readable, all options are open, just fantastic having all those little pieces working in every app with no fuss or hacks.
Rebooting is so much faster, not sure if it was all the apps I had or what but my reboots took forever with my stock rooted, now are 3 times quicker.
The thing just feels snappier, not sure if it is a placebo effect or not, but definitely feels faster.
Overall it feels like a tablet instead of a hacked e-reader. There may be some bugs that surface and a few things are being looking to, but so far so good
CM7 was the reason why I'm going to get a NOOK... well and the books lol
I installed the B & N app from the market and everything works great. I have been able to use my existing account to purchase books i have been able to move books over onto the Sd card in .epub format and read them. Make sure to fix permissions andcormate cache anddevlick cache if you are updating from first CM7 alpha.
Yeah i love cm7
I was nervouse when i first did it but it turned out all right in the end. Now ive got CWM and titaniumbsckup functionality and i can flash any rom or anything. Not only is cm7 a great new version of the OS but it opens the door to all the other roms that you could ever want to install. Only complaint is that the HD youtube videos lag, but the devs know about it and are fixing it. Id highly recommend it. Hope you take the plunge!
-Silente
Sent from my CM7 Nook Tablet
the only thing that worries me is that I have 1 week left to decide if i want to buy the 2 year warranty. what would happen if i need to send in for repairs if it has cm7?
Lined up all the tools I might need if disaster were to strike. Stuck the zip onto an SD card & went for it. I'm not looking back. Warranty? I won't be needing no stinkin' warranty.
The Lord has indeed Blessed me this day!
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the only thing that worries me is that I have 1 week left to decide if i want to buy the 2 year warranty. what would happen if i need to send in for repairs if it has cm7?
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That would be a big VOID if they could tell. If it won't boot up not much chance of that
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That would be a big VOID if they could tell. If it won't boot up not much chance of that
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I installed CM7 and messed around with it for a day or so. It worked great - with the exception of streaming video. Where HULU and Vulkano (slingbox-like DVR that works with my Directv) were smooth as silk with rooted NT on CWM, the CM7 vers. video would briefly "hang/stutter" from time to time - a bit annoying. Others have reported this same issue, and I know that the Devs are working on this.
Also, I lost all of my B&N stuff - not a huge loss - but think I may wait for the SD card version which, if I understand correctly, will allow me to hang on to that.
That said, I reverted back to the stock 1.4.0 using the "magiccard" method, and then re-rooted with Albert's SD card method (vers 4.50). So, assuming the unit keeps working (will boot,) does anyone know if there is a way for B&N to tell that a unit has ever been on CM7/rooted? I thought the magiccard method basically wiped the partitions and put the stock rom back on.
Thanks! Bob
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I think I'm going to wait awhile on mine. I'm beginning to see others having certain issues that a n00by like me would probably not enjoy All & all I'm happy with my rooted 1.40 Nook. I may just wait for the SD card version of CM7 to play with it. I sure do admire these guys that know how to work with this code and develop OS systems Sure wish I knew how to do this stuff.
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I purchased my nook tab specifically to tinker with and have no investment in BnN ecosystem. So far I've have some really frustrating problems that took a week or two of research and tinkering to work out. It has been a great learning experience. I now know a little about the inner workings of the Android OS and have a functional tablet to play with while the wife watches Netflix. Getting CM 7 working gave me a real sense of accomplishment. Before getting the tab for xmas I only had experience rooting my Droid 3 (one click method at that), So I am a real n00b too. I just went into this wanting to tackle my own problems. My advice, if you like what you've got, don't fix what ain't broke. - yes I am a hillbilly thankyaverymuch!
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I'll try it out if/when an SD bootable version comes out. I read and buy a lot of graphic novels and comic collections that are only viewable via the built-in reader.
For awhile I was just following on the developments and waiting till a stable version was released of CM7 because I was able to do what was needed with stock + root. The other day I decided to do some catching up in the NT scene and figured the CM7 Alpha12 looked pretty stable, so I gave it a shot. I am really glad that I did this, the NT just runs so much better than it did using the stock firmware + root. I am loving CM7 Alpha12 so far. If you were skeptical about installing CM7 due to it's Alpha status and possible bugs, as long as you haven't invested a ton of money into the B&N Store or stream a lot of video content. I think you should give it a shot because TEAM-B has been doing a great job.
Changed my mind and glad I did! !!! Loving CM7
I think I am going to wait for the SD version.
I think after a stable method to root/ block/ flash comes out that us non-devs can execute with consistent success I will try CM7. I am rooted - Thanks Indirect! - but I also had problems with the last time I tried CM7. At this point it's just not worth the extra work to try and fix a borked NT. Having said that, Veronica's ROM here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1512373 is pretty awesome looking and I can't wait to try it out.
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I'm terrifically sorry - I've committed the noob crime of failing to search....and posting (inadvertently) in a thread that was already dead. I found the answer to my question. Sorry for the nuisance.
- Computerslayer
Is anyone working on a way to remove WebOS completely from our devices? I mean for those of us who have no desire to retain any part of the system, nor use it ever. It seems like an awful waste of space.
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Is anyone working on a way to remove WebOS completely from our devices? I mean for those of us who have no desire to retain any part of the system, nor use it ever. It seems like an awful waste of space.
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I think this will be done once we have a very stable port of android running.
Right now webos isn't taking up that much space and its nice to have a backup just in case. I'm with you though in wanting to eventually remove it completely.
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I think this will be done once we have a very stable port of android running.
Right now webos isn't taking up that much space and its nice to have a backup just in case. I'm with you though in wanting to eventually remove it completely.
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I believe it needs to be there for Android to work. Plus a lot of people like it including dalingrin
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I believe dalingrin stated in one of the earlier release notes for one of the alphas that he does not plan on finding a way to remove webos entirely (He likes it, and it can serve as a backup in case android turns to poo). But who knows, maybe some dev will find a way, only time will tell
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I would prefer to have it as well. Just want to play with open source webOS.
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I just see no point in keeping it. I haven't used it since I got cm9 on my TP. Also it would be nice to only boot into moboot with a button combination, like recovery on other devices.
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I have a few questions.
What are you putting on your touchpad that those ~2 GB are such a big deal? Also, if space was a concern why didn't you buy a 32GB model. I have 8 of the 10.5 storage available, and 1.1 of the system 1.5 free. I have all the apps I could want. Until last week there was no point putting movies on there, but now Netflix works I don't see a point anyway.
You can change the moboot delay to 1 sec (changing the delay to 0 will remove the auto boot, it just sits at moboot). Is a 5 second delay really such a big inconvenience every time you power cycle the device? How often are you power cycling the device anyway? At my check before I installed alpha 2 I had over a week of up time. I see no need to reboot the device unless I am flashing something.
While I almost never boot into webOS since CM9, I still see the value in a back up OS. And webOS is an elegant, smooth, intuitive experience. It would be one thing if CM7 was the back up, then i would be all over removing it. Yeah, the webOS app selection is bad, but so is tablet optimized android app selection. A solid web browser is 80%+ of my use on the TP. webOS had better browsers than gingerbread.
I just don't see the point of a new "how do I remove webOS?" thread every two weeks. Especially when the resounding response is generally "why?"
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I have a 32gb version, and with no expandable storage every gig on that thing is precious. IDK about you, but I have wayyyyy more than 32gb of music. Also as long as we have an ability to boot into clockworkmod, there is absolutely no reason to retain a "backup" os as you call it. As for power cycling my device, it just depends on whether or not I want to save battery; or if I encounter a bug (like touchscreen unresponsiveness or SOD).
IDK why, but to me this seems like it should be a trivial task to streamline this into a full fledged android device at this point. Also, I wasn't aware there were any threads about how to remove WebOS, I looked at the main page and expected to find one but didn't. Ergo, this thread.
Not trying to be rude-
I was forced to see this thread when I tried to open a new thread titled "Remove webOS":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1453930
A search for "Remove webOS" also found that thread in the general section and the following in just the first page of results on the Q&A forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1461517&highlight=remove+webos
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490575&highlight=remove+webos
I found those with less than 5 minutes of searching on xda.
A google search returned this as the first result (searched "remove webos"):
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/8571-anyway-to-remove-webos/
Again, I know this sounds condescending, but it's frustrating to see this question constantly. Maybe it's because on the Galaxy S II forum we are flooding with the same questions at least weekly; "How do I install an i9100 ROM?", "Where is ICS?", "I installed a i9100 ROM without reading the instructions, my phone is acting weird".
You weren't the first to ask this question, and you won't be the last to ask it. I bet we'll see another thread before February is over. Outside of the threads dedicated solely to this question there has been a lot of discussion of this topic. On twitter, Rootzwiki, and here on xda. There is more to it than just a penchant for webOS. I am fairly certain the android system could not function without some of the webOS architecture or files. I cannot find where I saw that off hand, but I am pretty sure that currently it's not possible, even if some of the devs wanted to do it. I didn't respond with this the first time, because I could not find the source.
I also have much more than 32GB of music. But with Google Music, Pandora, Slacker, and other similar apps I don't see the need to put music on my device. If you played all your music non-stop how long would it run before repeating? Days? I only have 500MB on my phone because there is no need for an artist discography when I only want 3 of their songs.
CWM is not a backup OS. It's a utility. Yes, i have never borked CWM, but if you have too many moboot entries how can you fix that from CWM? You can't. You have to either be in webOS or Android. When switching from one ROM to another often both entries are there, and for me more often than not neither will boot. I just get boot failures. Without webOS I would have to use webOS doctor to completely wipe the device and start over, and reinstall android completly fresh. This happened to me at least 5 times in the past two months.
I posted from the android app, you don't see suggestions of similar threads.
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I posted from the android app, you don't see suggestions of similar threads.
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That brings up an interesting point. How did you get the xda app to run on the touchpad? Are you using tapatalk? I could not get the xda app to run on any CM7 or CM9 variant. Judging by the market comments the xda app doesnt run on any tablets, even legit ones.
Personally for that reason I don't think the mobile app should have the ability to create threads. Also the search function on the app is beyond useless.
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I've just been restoring it with titanium. As you can see it works fine on my nook color with ICS as well. ---v
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I ma wondering if anyone runs without rooting or putting on custom roms..
I ask because I just got the prime and have not updated to the .21 yet.
Doesnt seem like I would miss a ton. Just curious..
Yes, I am. I'm running ICS, the latest patch/update/whatever that was pushed by Asus.
(Now, FWIW, I bought my Nook Color tablet last year with the full intention to root and wasted no time in doing so.)
For my TP, I just haven't seen the reason. Given the expense of my 64GB unit, the lack of any pressing reason to hack it, and the (apparent) potential to brick it, it's just not a road I want to go down.
For the Nook Color, the reasons to load CynogenMod 7 were considerable and undeniable. Also, the fact that the Nook always tries to boot from the Micro-SD first was re-assuring. For the TP, not so much.
I'm on the stock rom as well, I don't see any reason in rooting the Prime (at least currently)...
Ok, so it sounds like I am not crazy for wanting to not root it.
I just upgraded to the latest firmware and it seems to run very fast and without issues.
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on too much.
I rooted my TF101 and slapped custom roms all over the place. A bit scared to do so on my Prime.. Seems the risk is a lot higher..
I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I'm open to being enlightened, but I haven't run across any must-have functionalities/apps that require hacking.
too bad i came posting too late, cause i would say root your tablet just incase you do want it.. as theres no way of rooting your device on .21
and you can clear root by just doing a factory reset so there is only gain and no loses
too late now tho
Nascor said:
I'm on the stock rom as well, I don't see any reason in rooting the Prime (at least currently)...
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If I could, I would root BUT NOT UNLOCK. Having a rooted device allows a whole new set of apps that require rooting, and some of which I'd like to use.
If you decide to root, when available, keep the original files backed up someplace. With .15, wpa files could be changed for AD-HOC capability. If you tried to update to .21, you were given an error message and needed to restore the original files back.
Unless you want to void your warrenty, I definitely wouldn't unlock...and as a side note, you also can't get OTA update.
Bob
I am running stock with the latest firmware update. I'm pleased with the features so far, but as the custom ROMs mature, that may change.
acdcking12345 said:
I ma wondering if anyone runs without rooting or putting on custom roms..
I ask because I just got the prime and have not updated to the .21 yet.
Doesnt seem like I would miss a ton. Just curious..
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I'm still running stock here for now but that could change once I learn my way around a little better. Coming from a Linux background it feels odd not to have full access to the device.
I am running stock without any issue.
I also put the Nova launcher and EZOverlock which are a little bit smoother than the stock launcher.
I'm stock but rooted. For me root let's me use apps like TiBackup amongst others that i like and use. Other than that o have no plans to unlock or run roms. Heck I'm still running the stock rom on my DroidX rooted of course
The odds of bricking the Prime are just to high for me right now.
fasthair
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Jgrimoldy said:
Yes, I am. I'm running ICS, the latest patch/update/whatever that was pushed by Asus.
(Now, FWIW, I bought my Nook Color tablet last year with the full intention to root and wasted no time in doing so.)
For my TP, I just haven't seen the reason. Given the expense of my 64GB unit, the lack of any pressing reason to hack it, and the (apparent) potential to brick it, it's just not a road I want to go down.
For the Nook Color, the reasons to load CynogenMod 7 were considerable and undeniable. Also, the fact that the Nook always tries to boot from the Micro-SD first was re-assuring. For the TP, not so much.
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This is me exactly. Not sure I even booted the newer Nooks in the house into the stock ROM. My Transformer does what I need it to at this point, unlike the NOok that was locked down like crazy. I'm happy to hang out stock.
I think i would go nuts without root in my prime... i fact i couldn't use for the main task i bought this tablet for.
I take notes every day in classes using my Prime. It has replaced all books and note books, so using TouchScreen Tuner is a MUST, without this, stylus are just useless.
Then we have all those root apps like Titanium Backup, UMTS manager, Market Enabler and WidgetLocker.
Ooh, and of course the possibility to change the sound when i dock my Prime (sounds like a transformer transforming, super awesome if you ask me).
I am running Stock but I did Root because of I wanted to use AdFree and Titianium Backup Apps. I have an Android Phone that I love to Flash new ROMS to and I eventually will Unlock my Prime and do the same to I just don't see the need to at the moment.
I am, but, not so much by choice. I had root and lost it with .21 update. I will reroot when available, but am hesitant to unlock and void my warranty. Especially since asus has made it such a challenge to recover your device. If they are going to give us the unlock tool and we aren't going to be troubling their warranty division with the problems which ensue, just make it easier for us to fix our own problems.
I'm running stock. I I don't know much about rooting because I am new to Android.
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IMHO, the only reason to root this is so you can say "I rooted this." There's no reason to root the Prime, the way I see it. Yeah, there's a little bit of bloatware, but far less than was on my Samsung Galaxy S when I bought it, and with the 64 GB of memory it's not really necessary. I do wish that I could move apps to my SD card, so that could be a reason to root, but not a big enough one to get me to risk it.
I've also noticed that a LOT of people who claimed to be having these huge problems with the Prime also were working with a rooted device...
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stock as well. Though I would love to root to use the sixaxis app.
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I'm still on stock with the latest updates. When I first got my Prime there wasn't a real need to root, although it meant I couldn't run some apps like Adblock. There weren't many roms around at that time but now there's alot more. Now I've gotten used to running Prime stock and it doesn't present any issues for me and runs smoothly and I've kind of lost interest in custom roms (plus I don't have as much time as before). Lol, I used to change roms on my Nexus One nearly as often as I changed my underwear - you can assume that I changed my underwear often
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The Grey Elf said:
IMHO, the only reason to root this is so you can say "I rooted this." There's no reason to root the Prime, the way I see it. Yeah, there's a little bit of bloatware, but far less than was on my Samsung Galaxy S when I bought it, and with the 64 GB of memory it's not really necessary. I do wish that I could move apps to my SD card, so that could be a reason to root, but not a big enough one to get me to risk it.
I've also noticed that a LOT of people who claimed to be having these huge problems with the Prime also were working with a rooted device...
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There's many reasons to root a device. If you want to have super user permissions just like being a administrator on your PC, your gonna need to root it. Apps such as Root Explorer and as mentioned Sixaxis app for syncing your PS3 controller up with your prime, ROMManager, TiBu, SetCPU, and the list goes on. All up to the end user and what you prefer. The first thing I do is root my devices
Oh and most if not all issues people run into is due to a user error.. not because the device is rooted.
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Hello all,
Starting a thread to see if there is out there in XDA who happened to pick up the Ellipsis 8 yesterday for Black Friday?
I bought my Mom a smartphone finally being she was stuck with old tech and never owned a smart phone so I got her the Sony Xperia Z3v. She is overly excited.
Anyways, they gave us for free Quanta Ellipsis 8 QTAQZ3, and I have attempted the following to get root access;
1) Kingo Root
2) TowelRoot
3) Framaroot 1.9.3
Neither one of these options provided root. Upon digging up threads on XDA, I found that the older Ellipsis 7 was able to get rooted with both Kingo Root and Framaroot.
I am glad we have more interest in this tablet. I would like custom roms, but to at least root it. I actually got three of these yesterday. I have tried almost everything to root as well.
JAWheat411 said:
I am glad we have more interest in this tablet. I would like custom roms, but to at least root it. I actually got three of these yesterday. I have tried almost everything to root as well.
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Yeah I would just like to root it so I can remove all the Verizon bloat that came with it.
Yep I got 2 of them yesterday looking forward to seeing someone figure out how to root them.
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I tried all three listed above as well with no success. I would be eternally greatful for anyone who can help with rooting this device since Verizon was so keen on giving them out like candy on Black Friday.
I picked one up, havent really looked for any methods. Its been a pretty good device thus far.
I think what people need to look for in the software is some bugs like how every other root method works... i know My Verizon requests su when its first run, but anyways, this would probably be the best place to look.
Raiden8816 said:
Yeah I would just like to root it so I can remove all the Verizon bloat that came with it.
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You can get rid of most of the VZW bloat without root, using the app manager.
I would like to see a decent custom AOSP ROM for this thing.
Seems to perform about as well as the original Nexus 7, but the screen isn't as sharp or vivid... the colors are a bit washed out and bland looking, IMHO.
SquireSCA said:
You can get rid of most of the VZW bloat without root, using the app manager.
I would like to see a decent custom AOSP ROM for this thing.
Seems to perform about as well as the original Nexus 7, but the screen isn't as sharp or vivid... the colors are a bit washed out and bland looking, IMHO.
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Honestly i dont mind. For me its better than my ****ty Tab 4 that i had before it, so it works lol.
The only thing i wish is to gain root to put the nav buttons on the sides when rotated, but we havent obtained root yet.
Also multiwindow would be awesome.
Hopefully Someone Gets It!
I am hoping that one of our amazing Devs here on XDA will figure this out. I want root so I can get the full performance out of Tasker. Plus a few other things like a full debloat and such. I would have no problem making a donation to the Dev who figures this out lol.
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mike253 said:
Honestly i dont mind. For me its better than my ****ty Tab 4 that i had before it, so it works lol.
The only thing i wish is to gain root to put the nav buttons on the sides when rotated, but we havent obtained root yet.
Also multiwindow would be awesome.
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Are you referring to the Galaxy Tabs? If so I 100% feel you. I don't understand how their phones are so gooood (IMO LOL), But they fail so hard on there tablets. Im beyond done with those until they step it up...ALOT lol.
Come on people, no news is not good news. I can't do anymore digging into this until I am off this weekend.
Any updates?
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Any updates?
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Until enough people get this tablet, there won't be any incentive to develop for it...
I think this tab is awful.....I can see why its free ...and to the poster who said you can delete the Verizon bloatware ..u are wrong you can only disable some. no deleting of any system apps including the Amazon apps....We need Root bad.....the stock OS is archaic 4.4.2 and Not to add insult to injury there is no updates anytime soon according to Quanta......
studiorat said:
I think this tab is awful.....I can see why its free ...and to the poster who said you can delete the Verizon bloatware ..u are wrong you can only disable some. no deleting of any system apps including the Amazon apps....We need Root bad.....the stock OS is archaic 4.4.2 and Not to add insult to injury there is no updates anytime soon according to Quanta......
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Well, disabling is as good as deleting. Deleting them saves a small amount of space, a few MB... You have an SD slot, add more storage cheaply...
It is a basic tablet. I would never have bought such a tablet, but for free, what the hell, makes a nice news reader and stuff when lying in bed.
When I want a real tablet I do have a Dell Venue 11 Pro that works really well.
I am going to keep looking and digging all weekend. There has to be a way to get this rooted. I know my brother in law rooted the Ellipsis 7 with Framaroot. But, none of the versions have worked. I know it is due to the newer build of Kitkat. It just takes time for someone to find the exploit.
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I am going to keep looking and digging all weekend. There has to be a way to get this rooted. I know my brother in law rooted the Ellipsis 7 with Framaroot. But, none of the versions have worked. I know it is due to the newer build of Kitkat. It just takes time for someone to find the exploit.
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Unless someone creates an AOSP or faster ROM for this device, I just don't see what Root will actually do for us... I mean, saving 50MB of storage or whatever by removing a few apps that can be disabled without Root, doesn't seem like much incentive to a Dev, you know?
If we could get AOSP with a lean and fast kernel or something, I would be all over that like Richard Simmons on a Cub Scout, but I just don't see that happening...
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Unless someone creates an AOSP or faster ROM for this device, I just don't see what Root will actually do for us... I mean, saving 50MB of storage or whatever by removing a few apps that can be disabled without Root, doesn't seem like much incentive to a Dev, you know?
If we could get AOSP with a lean and fast kernel or something, I would be all over that like Richard Simmons on a Cub Scout, but I just don't see that happening...
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Well the main purpose for me to get root is to use things like ad blockers. Also to use xposed and titanium backup.
JAWheat411 said:
Well the main purpose for me to get root is to use things like ad blockers. Also to use xposed and titanium backup.
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I have not used TI... I never really have anything to backup... I mean my pics and stuff I back up to my PC, everything else is in the cloud... when I get a new phone or hard reset one, install a ROM, etc... My stuff restores from the Play Store so I never really have to do much other than a few tweaks and set up my launcher and home screens the way I want...
Never used ad block either, but I am sure that all the ROMs I have used over the years probably had that built in...
I just wish the tablet was a bit snappier... I think a smaller footprint and a faster kernel in an AOSP ROM would help, but that's probably all you can do for these things....
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I have not used TI... I never really have anything to backup... I mean my pics and stuff I back up to my PC, everything else is in the cloud... when I get a new phone or hard reset one, install a ROM, etc... My stuff restores from the Play Store so I never really have to do much other than a few tweaks and set up my launcher and home screens the way I want...
Never used ad block either, but I am sure that all the ROMs I have used over the years probably had that built in...
I just wish the tablet was a bit snappier... I think a smaller footprint and a faster kernel in an AOSP ROM would help, but that's probably all you can do for these things....
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Well titanium backup does back up your apps and games. But the difference is when you restore them it restores all data (like launcher layout) and settings like levels in games or app preferences. This will also backup and restore stuff you didn't get from the play store. Last time I checked the play store only restores app and not data.
Ad blocking would speed the tablet up a bit online. Also the tweaks you can do after rooting would increase performance greatly.
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Well titanium backup does back up your apps and games. But the difference is when you restore them it restores all data (like launcher layout) and settings like levels in games or app preferences. This will also backup and restore stuff you didn't get from the play store. Last time I checked the play store only restores app and not data.
Ad blocking would speed the tablet up a bit online. Also the tweaks you can do after rooting would increase performance greatly.
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I was about to respond to the other member but you made all the points I had to make haha. I 100% agree. I need root on this thing so I can run TB, Xposed, AD Away, Root Explorer, Debloat FULLY and not just disable, and a plethora of other things root is good for. Bottom line is it doesn't matter what the reason, ALL Android devices are better with root!