I ma wondering if anyone runs without rooting or putting on custom roms..
I ask because I just got the prime and have not updated to the .21 yet.
Doesnt seem like I would miss a ton. Just curious..
Yes, I am. I'm running ICS, the latest patch/update/whatever that was pushed by Asus.
(Now, FWIW, I bought my Nook Color tablet last year with the full intention to root and wasted no time in doing so.)
For my TP, I just haven't seen the reason. Given the expense of my 64GB unit, the lack of any pressing reason to hack it, and the (apparent) potential to brick it, it's just not a road I want to go down.
For the Nook Color, the reasons to load CynogenMod 7 were considerable and undeniable. Also, the fact that the Nook always tries to boot from the Micro-SD first was re-assuring. For the TP, not so much.
I'm on the stock rom as well, I don't see any reason in rooting the Prime (at least currently)...
Ok, so it sounds like I am not crazy for wanting to not root it.
I just upgraded to the latest firmware and it seems to run very fast and without issues.
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on too much.
I rooted my TF101 and slapped custom roms all over the place. A bit scared to do so on my Prime.. Seems the risk is a lot higher..
I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. I'm open to being enlightened, but I haven't run across any must-have functionalities/apps that require hacking.
too bad i came posting too late, cause i would say root your tablet just incase you do want it.. as theres no way of rooting your device on .21
and you can clear root by just doing a factory reset so there is only gain and no loses
too late now tho
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I'm on the stock rom as well, I don't see any reason in rooting the Prime (at least currently)...
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If I could, I would root BUT NOT UNLOCK. Having a rooted device allows a whole new set of apps that require rooting, and some of which I'd like to use.
If you decide to root, when available, keep the original files backed up someplace. With .15, wpa files could be changed for AD-HOC capability. If you tried to update to .21, you were given an error message and needed to restore the original files back.
Unless you want to void your warrenty, I definitely wouldn't unlock...and as a side note, you also can't get OTA update.
Bob
I am running stock with the latest firmware update. I'm pleased with the features so far, but as the custom ROMs mature, that may change.
acdcking12345 said:
I ma wondering if anyone runs without rooting or putting on custom roms..
I ask because I just got the prime and have not updated to the .21 yet.
Doesnt seem like I would miss a ton. Just curious..
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I'm still running stock here for now but that could change once I learn my way around a little better. Coming from a Linux background it feels odd not to have full access to the device.
I am running stock without any issue.
I also put the Nova launcher and EZOverlock which are a little bit smoother than the stock launcher.
I'm stock but rooted. For me root let's me use apps like TiBackup amongst others that i like and use. Other than that o have no plans to unlock or run roms. Heck I'm still running the stock rom on my DroidX rooted of course
The odds of bricking the Prime are just to high for me right now.
fasthair
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Yes, I am. I'm running ICS, the latest patch/update/whatever that was pushed by Asus.
(Now, FWIW, I bought my Nook Color tablet last year with the full intention to root and wasted no time in doing so.)
For my TP, I just haven't seen the reason. Given the expense of my 64GB unit, the lack of any pressing reason to hack it, and the (apparent) potential to brick it, it's just not a road I want to go down.
For the Nook Color, the reasons to load CynogenMod 7 were considerable and undeniable. Also, the fact that the Nook always tries to boot from the Micro-SD first was re-assuring. For the TP, not so much.
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This is me exactly. Not sure I even booted the newer Nooks in the house into the stock ROM. My Transformer does what I need it to at this point, unlike the NOok that was locked down like crazy. I'm happy to hang out stock.
I think i would go nuts without root in my prime... i fact i couldn't use for the main task i bought this tablet for.
I take notes every day in classes using my Prime. It has replaced all books and note books, so using TouchScreen Tuner is a MUST, without this, stylus are just useless.
Then we have all those root apps like Titanium Backup, UMTS manager, Market Enabler and WidgetLocker.
Ooh, and of course the possibility to change the sound when i dock my Prime (sounds like a transformer transforming, super awesome if you ask me).
I am running Stock but I did Root because of I wanted to use AdFree and Titianium Backup Apps. I have an Android Phone that I love to Flash new ROMS to and I eventually will Unlock my Prime and do the same to I just don't see the need to at the moment.
I am, but, not so much by choice. I had root and lost it with .21 update. I will reroot when available, but am hesitant to unlock and void my warranty. Especially since asus has made it such a challenge to recover your device. If they are going to give us the unlock tool and we aren't going to be troubling their warranty division with the problems which ensue, just make it easier for us to fix our own problems.
I'm running stock. I I don't know much about rooting because I am new to Android.
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IMHO, the only reason to root this is so you can say "I rooted this." There's no reason to root the Prime, the way I see it. Yeah, there's a little bit of bloatware, but far less than was on my Samsung Galaxy S when I bought it, and with the 64 GB of memory it's not really necessary. I do wish that I could move apps to my SD card, so that could be a reason to root, but not a big enough one to get me to risk it.
I've also noticed that a LOT of people who claimed to be having these huge problems with the Prime also were working with a rooted device...
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stock as well. Though I would love to root to use the sixaxis app.
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I'm still on stock with the latest updates. When I first got my Prime there wasn't a real need to root, although it meant I couldn't run some apps like Adblock. There weren't many roms around at that time but now there's alot more. Now I've gotten used to running Prime stock and it doesn't present any issues for me and runs smoothly and I've kind of lost interest in custom roms (plus I don't have as much time as before). Lol, I used to change roms on my Nexus One nearly as often as I changed my underwear - you can assume that I changed my underwear often
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IMHO, the only reason to root this is so you can say "I rooted this." There's no reason to root the Prime, the way I see it. Yeah, there's a little bit of bloatware, but far less than was on my Samsung Galaxy S when I bought it, and with the 64 GB of memory it's not really necessary. I do wish that I could move apps to my SD card, so that could be a reason to root, but not a big enough one to get me to risk it.
I've also noticed that a LOT of people who claimed to be having these huge problems with the Prime also were working with a rooted device...
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There's many reasons to root a device. If you want to have super user permissions just like being a administrator on your PC, your gonna need to root it. Apps such as Root Explorer and as mentioned Sixaxis app for syncing your PS3 controller up with your prime, ROMManager, TiBu, SetCPU, and the list goes on. All up to the end user and what you prefer. The first thing I do is root my devices
Oh and most if not all issues people run into is due to a user error.. not because the device is rooted.
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Hi, didn't want to clutter the "bad news" thread nontechnical noob questions. If the tablet won't boot from SD
1) Will it still possibly be rootable where I could side load apps? I could live with the stock ROM if I could sideload apks, maybe.
2) Am I right to assume even if it is rootable where I can add apps, it is much more likely that I could brick it somehow?
Dang, just really crappy timing. I actually bought gift cards to get it (so I could get some cash-back deals). I can't return the cards. I guess if this thing isn't worth it, I can use them to get a refurb color.
Very surprised and disappointed they went this route (if they really did).
Damn
Same here, I could live with side-loading. But I think it's a bit early to write off bootable SD. Hopefully it's here relatively soon as I'd like to leave the stock experience in place for family members.
As an aside, I've got the original Nook Color (rooted of course), as well as the Transformer. Even without the benefit of ICS, I found that I still resorted to grabbing the NC for my bedtime reading (Google Reader and articles in RIL, rather than actual books). 7" is perfect, 10" a bit unwieldy for me.
I picked up the NT today and am very happy I did. It's a nail in the coffin for the Transformer, gonna sell it as the NT will meet all my needs. I'm saying this based on the stock experience with the expectation that we'll have ROMs at some point.
But soon enough we'll have a) root and b) ICS on the NT. It's gonna be sweet!
Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm yet to see an Android device that XDA geniouses couldn't root.
Including the crazy-ass encrypted Craporola devices.
Rooting might be doable, but if the bootloader is encrypted, then installing a custom ROM like CM7 might be out of the question.
Case and point: look at how much agony the owner of the Motorola Milestone (the GSM version of the Droid) went through. Far as i know, they just got the official Froyo ROM within last few month, and most likely won't get GB, ever.
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Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm yet to see an Android device that XDA geniouses couldn't root.
Including the crazy-ass encrypted Craporola devices.
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Yeah i figured as much but wasn't sure if there was something out there I wasn't aware of. I'm using an Atrix. Despite Motorola's best efforts, the community eventually got into this thing.
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Rooting might be doable, but if the bootloader is encrypted, then installing a custom ROM like CM7 might be out of the question.
Case and point: look at how much agony the owner of the Motorola Milestone (the GSM version of the Droid) went through. Far as i know, they just got the official Froyo ROM within last few month, and most likely won't get GB, ever.
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That would suck but I think I could live with it. I just noticed that some of the nook apps are the tablet version rather than the phone versions. Evernote and Netflix, for example. Root and sideloading would probably suffice, although B&N would lose some goodwill.
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I could honestly care less about custom roms or anything like that. I'm fine with the NT stock experience.
But sideloading would be a very very good thing, just so I can get the few apps I'd like to use onto the thing. I'm only gonna use it to consume media- but I'd like to decide which apps I use to do that.
Rooting will get most users far, but compare to a full blown CM7 rom, there still many short coming with just root.
Example:
1. Tablet soft buttons, the CM7 tablet soft key are vital in making a lot of side loaded application work in NC.
2. Custom keyboard. one of my favorite app on NC is the thumb keyboard, which make typing on the NC in landscape orientation feel natural. With Root, the user can install the keyboard, but won't be able to enable the keyboard, since B&N remove some of the menus settings.
3. Honeycomb and ICS, with the source code for ICS just came out, CM9 is on the horizon, without unlocking the bootloader, NT won't get a taste of either.
So Root is a great start, but for many android hackers and purist, it is not enough.
1. Tablet soft buttons, the CM7 tablet soft key are vital in making a lot of side loaded application work in NC.
I have button savior on my manually rooted NC. Works fine. Am I missing something?
2. Custom keyboard. one of my favorite app on NC is the thumb keyboard, which make typing on the NC in landscape orientation feel natural. With Root, the user can install the keyboard, but won't be able to enable the keyboard, since B&N remove some of the menus settings.
I got the Palm input keyboard working on my rooted NC. Worked great. I forget what I swapped it out for, but it wasn't a problem - you just have to tell the device that your preferred keyboard just happens to be named the same as its preferred keyboard and lives in the same place.
3. Honeycomb and ICS, with the source code for ICS just came out, CM9 is on the horizon, without unlocking the bootloader, NT won't get a taste of either.
This may be for the best.
I'm looking at Honeycomb now on a 10 incher, and I'm not as happy with what I'm seeing as I'd hoped. ADB is more challenging, and putting files on the device via mass storage device is right out, which means a lot of my tools for managing content on it are gone, too - manually copy over stuff that Calibre used to just take care of? Bleargh.
Honeycomb pretty much requires your real, fast computer talk to your honeycomb device, aka a ****ty slow computer, over a serial link as if it were a peer, rather than just being able to get the storage and write files to it.
And if you use linux, your good, fast computer can't even talk to the ****ty, slow one that google's deliivered because they didn't bothered to warn anyone about this far enough ahead of time for the linux folks to really get working on trying to port over that stupid set of media player commands. Who knew that anyone would all of a sudden decide they were going to pronounce a brain-dead media player communications interface as workable?
Once you unplug and being passively consuming your pr0n again, the tablet's all good and pretty.
http://soledadpenades.com/2011/06/12/honeycomb-mtp-and-linux/
Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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I truly hope that it won't be such an involved process for us, but still... very cool to read what the genius devs put together as a workaround on other devices. We just need to hope that they jump on the Nook Tablet like they did the NC.
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Not to second guess anyone here, but there always OTHER ways of doing things. Witness the Droid X where even with an encrypted bootloader an exploit was found called 2nd Init (http://cvpcs.org/blog/2011-06-14/2nd-init._what_it_is_and_how_it_works) which allowed the Droid X to get custom roms (albeit with the stock kernel) such as CM7 and MIUI.
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I have a Defy, and it need too 2ndInit to start custom rom like CM7/MIUI.
I hope that NT will be no boot-locked, but if it's the sadly truth I think that port 2ndInit will be not too much hard.
well we already figured out how to side load apps. they dont pop up in NT's GUI, but with 2 buttons you can launch Go Launcher and within there you can see everything you installed.
I would actual prefer to have the stock Rom, just rooted. I had CM 7.1 on my NC but removed it because I actually do use the NC as bookreader and that would the primary use for a NT. I have a TF and soon a TF Prime for the full tablet experience, which IMHO really needs a 10 inch or bigger screen.
Are you tired of the constant updates lately? I didn't know if it would fix my prime or break it further I was just hoping for the best with 13,14, and 15. I was also hoping someone could hack the unlock key so I could still have my warranty. Well yesterday I got irritated and decided to unlock. The entire time I had second thoughts because I am unsure if this tablet will last a year without breaking lol, so I clicked through as fast as I could (after reading all the unlock ops.) Well as soon as I was unlocked I felt a whole lot better about my prime. Maybe I have just lost faith in Asus, I don't know but as soon as I loaded virtuous I felt more secure about my purchase. I guess I have finally come to the conclusion that Asus ISNT going to have a miracle fix for the prime that fixes all the problems and after asking someone through PM twice for a refund since I was dissatisfied with the product (only to get no response what so ever..) I decided I would make the best of what I have and stop worrying.
I don't know how to explain it but now that my device is unlocked all of my uncertainties are gone. I will keep this device for the next year or so and crack flash like there's no tomorrow!
If you are undecided on unlocking I say go for it. (Assuming you read the tutorials!!) I did and I am much happier.
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what isseues did you have in each firmware ?
and what`s your sn ?
Reboots, bad wifi range, zero GPS, screen flickering, lag in the UI, bad battery life. Some of these issues would come and go depending on the update.
C10 serial.
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I have a C10 also, but with none of the issues you have mentioned other than the gps being totally useless. I'm not that bothered as i don't really need it but it does take the shine off an otherwise excellent product.
Could you let me know if installing a custom rom has made any improvement to your gps performance.
Cheers
Interesting, i was to on the fence about unlocking. I returned my Prime the other day. I've never had wifi probs on any of mine. Just got fed up with random reboot and YouTube glitches and browser freezing. One had dead pixels and light bleed.
Might have to pick up another today. Why not make it 5 lol.
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let me know how you like the virtuous rom. how is the battery life compared to stock? how is the overall speed of device now in your opinion? have you come across any shortcomings on the rom yet? I'm on the fence also but still holding on. I will at least wait till I see more roms. plus I'm really looking for a rom to bring 1.8-2.0Ghz+ speeds. then I might jump the gun if its stable and performs very well.
I think I know the feeling you talking about. its a feeling like you have more control now over the fate of your device now that you can flash new roms at will. did you use rom manager to install official updated CMW or did you use the unofficial method? or the all in one method with viperprimetime 4.5?
glad to hear you feeling more confident about device now that you have the power..lol
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let me know how you like the virtuous rom. how is the battery life compared to stock? how is the overall speed of device now in your opinion? have you come across any shortcomings on the rom yet? I'm on the fence also but still holding on. I will at least wait till I see more roms. plus I'm really looking for a rom to bring 1.8-2.0Ghz+ speeds. then I might jump the gun if its stable and performs very well.
I think I know the feeling you talking about. its a feeling like you have more control now over the fate of your device now that you can flash new roms at will. did you use rom manager to install official updated CMW or did you use the unofficial method? or the all in one method with viperprimetime 4.5?
glad to hear you feeling more confident about device now that you have the power..lol
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This. Yes more control over its fate lol. I tried to use rom manager but it wouldn't work for me. I did use vipers mod to unlock and install cmw. Virtuous is great, very stock feeling and buttery smooth. Ill let you know about the battery after a week or so of testing. I do like the 1.6 ghz overclock being the new performance mode. No screen flicker anymore either! It does seem very stable in the few hours I've tested it. Will update when I can.
Edit: GPS is just as dead as before zero birds.
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I won't get the fuzzy feeling until I can unbrick with nvflash, like with my phone (only not nvflash lol)
But I absolutely understand! 20 minutes after I picked up my phone from the Post Office, it was running custom ROMs (without voiding warranty... bah!). 10 minutes after I picked up my Prime it was rooted
Until then I'm still kind of sitting on a sharp edge with the Prime.
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I won't get the fuzzy feeling until I can unbrick with nvflash, like with my phone
But I absolutely understand! 20 minutes after I picked up my phone from the Post Office, it was running custom ROMs (without voiding warranty... bah!). 10 minutes after I picked up my Prime it was rooted
Until then I'm still kind of sitting on a sharp edge with the Prime.
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Is nvflash an Asus thing or Nvidia? I seen a post asking for it from Asus but are they the right people to ask?
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*EDIT: see lol, figured I was wrong. I was mistaken, but it is what will allow us to recover from some s/w bricking.
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Its strictly a nvidia program supplied by them. I have a version of nvflash for 'Linux for tegra' that supports tegra 3. Problem is, asus's half ass unlock does not allow us to use it even though it could recover what right now would be a hard brick.
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nelly1977 said:
I have a C10 also, but with none of the issues you have mentioned other than the gps being totally useless. I'm not that bothered as i don't really need it but it does take the shine off an otherwise excellent product.
Could you let me know if installing a custom rom has made any improvement to your gps performance.
Cheers
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I'm in the exact boat you are, C1 and no issues besides GPS. Just solved that today with GPS over bluetooth pairing with my Nexus. Ive got no need to unlock with Voodoo rootkeeper, haven't had any issue with Asus' OTA's (.13 had the battery issue but it disappeared for me in .14) and if they want to provide me with frequent updates- I'll take em. To each his own I guess.
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I'm in the exact boat you are, C1 and no issues besides GPS. Just solved that today with GPS over bluetooth pairing with my Nexus. Ive got no need to unlock with Voodoo rootkeeper, haven't had any issue with Asus' OTA's (.13 had the battery issue but it disappeared for me in .14) and if they want to provide me with frequent updates- I'll take em. To each his own I guess.
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Definitely, I'm glad your having great luck with your prime! As far as battery life on vitreous rom, it seems VERY solid. Still no concrete numbers but its been on for about 12 hours with about 5 hours of usage and I have 68% battery. I've ran several benchmarks during this time as well. Seems quite a bit better!
Edit: by the way, I am in no way hating on the prime. I was so excited when I got it (one of bestbuys first batches!!!) But I've just had more problems than is normally acceptable even from a new product. I love my prime so much I'm just disappointed with a few critical features and was hoping Asus could somehow fix these issues. I am a HUGE techie and even though I can get about 27-32 mbs from my prime upstairs, all my other devices get a solid 42 mbs which makes me sad face! Lmao.
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I had the same feeling as the OP, except it was the first day the unlock tool came out.
I had wholly intended on unlocking it right away.
I also love experimenting, learning and tinkering with this, so I've flashed and reflashed about 100 things on my prime so far, and I could not ask for anything more
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Is nvflash an Asus thing or Nvidia? I seen a post asking for it from Asus but are they the right people to ask?
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Its strictly a nvidia program supplied by them. I have a version of nvflash for 'Linux for tegra' that supports tegra 3. Problem is, asus's half ass unlock does not allow us to use it even though it could recover what right now would be a hard brick.
Is there anything I can do to improve the overall experience of the tablet?
I attempted rooting but I'm on .21 and a bit afraid of downgrading. Is it safe?
Are there any tablet-oriented apps? Most of the ones I restored from Titanium Backup are just enlarged, would be neat to know of a list of apps that use the Prime's real estate.
Thanks!
Do a search in this forum for widget and apps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1415
As far as rooting, it is safe. The next asus update will auto unroot you unless you have voodoo installed.
If you are talking about unlocking and flashing roms, less safe than rooting as more could go wrong and you can't reverse an unlock
Best advice I have for you is search and read the forum topics.
Apps
Hi,
you ask for tablet apps; I love my new Reader HD for rss-reading, it is a much better then the original reader app grom google.
Also the Dolphin Browser HD ist great; I use last pass plugin there and have all my pw handed in the browser.
Just go to the play store and use the selection from google for tablets, there you'll find much more tablets apps
ungraph said:
Is there anything I can do to improve the overall experience of the tablet?
I attempted rooting but I'm on .21 and a bit afraid of downgrading. Is it safe?
Are there any tablet-oriented apps? Most of the ones I restored from Titanium Backup are just enlarged, would be neat to know of a list of apps that use the Prime's real estate.
Thanks!
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I can't speak on the downgrading, because I rooted and unlocked my bootloader on .15...then went with custom ROMs from there. But rooting/unlocking is worth it if you ask me, to me that's what Android is all about. The Prime is great out of the box, but a custom ROM with Motleys kernel running @ 1.8 is sick. There's even 2 Cornerstone ROMs for our Primes.
I can recommend Nvidias app called NVision...super slick tablet app. Talks about Gadgets, games on PC,console, and mobile...cool stuff in general.
Any more rooting/unlocking/ROM questions, just ask....I've done it all.
Good luck and have fun with your Prime.
Welcome to the jungle my friend. An easy way to root without downgrading is to unlock and flash a good room from the start. I've had virtuous on motley and aokp on motley. Both are great. There is a tabletized market app that shows compatible apps. Dice player for video and Poweramp for music (plenty of others, just my preference). If you like Polaris, you won't want a non-stock Rom.
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ungraph said:
Is there anything I can do to improve the overall experience of the tablet?
I attempted rooting but I'm on .21 and a bit afraid of downgrading. Is it safe?
Are there any tablet-oriented apps? Most of the ones I restored from Titanium Backup are just enlarged, would be neat to know of a list of apps that use the Prime's real estate.
Thanks!
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Good luck with the new tablet...I would probably log a few days before ulocking just to make sure you don't notice any issues that need warranty attention. I had to send mine back to TX on two occations. Once it was stable, I unlocked and it's been fine since.
Thanks for the replies. I ended up downgrading to. 15, rooted and upgraded to. 21 and restored the root. I'm tempted to unlock but I got a bunch of reading to do prior. Will check out dome of the apps mentioned.
Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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ninjasalad said:
Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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I see lots of development here for the nook. Too much, in fact, that no one seems to know what ROM to use.
I recommend just rooting the nook tablet so you can load the Android Market (AKA "Play Store") as well as the Amazon App store.
I recommend AGAINST installing any custom ROM found here on this forum. Too much fragmentation for too little benefit. (My opinion, of course).
I installed ADW launcher so I could access applications installed from the Play Store. If you use the Nook home launcher, you won't see these apps.
I rooted using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529553
This provided root access as well as the Play Store. I am happy with the tablet as it is - no custom ROM.
Have fun...
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DanGeorges said:
I see lots of development here for the nook. Too much, in fact, that no one seems to know what ROM to use.
I recommend just rooting the nook tablet so you can load the Android Market (AKA "Play Store") as well as the Amazon App store.
I recommend AGAINST installing any custom ROM found here on this forum. Too much fragmentation for too little benefit. (My opinion, of course).
I installed ADW launcher so I could access applications installed from the Play Store. If you use the Nook home launcher, you won't see these apps.
I rooted using this method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529553
This provided root access as well as the Play Store. I am happy with the tablet as it is - no custom ROM.
Have fun...
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There used to be an app, I think it was called "nook color app manager", that would allow you to add Market apps to your Nook Tablet app screen. I used to use it, but I can't find it in the Market now. It might have been something I sideloaded.
Edit It was sideloaded, but apparently no longer works with 1.4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760106
I disagree with the recommendation against installing a custom ROM. If you want to, go for it. For lots of people it's worth it to have their tablets exactly the way they want them. Unless you install the 5 touch upgrade you can always go back if you don't like it.
Also, IMO, the reason that the KF has more development than the NT even though the NT has much better stats is the bootloader. It took a long time before we were able to get around the bootloader (and even now it's a hack; a great hack but a hack nonetheless). Because of that a lot of would-be developers returned their NTs and went with other tablets (especially when the Nexus 7 came out at the same price as the NT16).
liquidzoo said:
There used to be an app, I think it was called "nook color app manager", that would allow you to add Market apps to your Nook Tablet app screen. I used to use it, but I can't find it in the Market now. It might have been something I sideloaded.
Edit It was sideloaded, but apparently no longer works with 1.4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1760106
I disagree with the recommendation against installing a custom ROM. If you want to, go for it. For lots of people it's worth it to have their tablets exactly the way they want them. Unless you install the 5 touch upgrade you can always go back if you don't like it.
Also, IMO, the reason that the KF has more development than the NT even though the NT has much better stats is the bootloader. It took a long time before we were able to get around the bootloader (and even now it's a hack; a great hack but a hack nonetheless). Because of that a lot of would-be developers returned their NTs and went with other tablets (especially when the Nexus 7 came out at the same price as the NT16).
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Good points...
I have found that installing ADW launcher gives me a decent tablet experience without the risk of mucking around with hacked bootloaders and such.
I have access to Play Store apps, Amazon Apps, and B&N apps. I have a home screen launcher that works fine.
The only thing I would appreciate with a custom ROM would be the navigation soft-buttons. The navigation on the Nook's altered GB OS isn't the most elegant. But then again, it is billed primarily for purchasing and reading books and magazines.
The Kindle Fire got way more press than the Nook - and it's sleeker-looking (in some respects).
If I had a choice, I'd get a Nexus tablet - if only because it's a true Tablet that doesn't tie itself to an "ecosystem" (I hate that word, by the way).
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Try Button Savior if you want softkeys. They're not an ideal solution, but they work.
EDIT: Don't spend too much time in the first link - the second one is where the bulk of the good stuff is.
Dan, did you ever happen upon THIS thread? Read through the whole thing before you give it a shot, and don't forget to MAKE A BACKUP of your existing SystemUI.apk before you try anything. Also, give the screenshots some good lookings-over, as there are SEVERAL slightly different versions that folks post throughout the thread. Also, take a look HERE for the version I used before I started mucking about with custom or tweaked roms.
Most importantly, for anyone that does decide to install custom ROMs, check to make sure your ROM is for either 8GB or 16GB tablets before rooting!
I'm running a good job ROM with few issues, it's a battery drain but that OK.
I went back to stock w/a launcher for a few days but ended back on job again.
Nikkiel
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ninjasalad said:
Hi all, about 6 months ago I purchased a nook tablet for myself and then a Kindle fire for my wife. A lot of time has passed, and I am interested in rooting my nook. However, interestingly enough I noticed that the Kindle fire has much much more development going on, despite the nooks superior specs. Many roms seem to be kfire ports. Is there any reasoning behind this? Is the fire just a more publicized device? I remember hearing something about the book bootloader being locked or something but I don't remember exactly to be honest. Can anyone give some insight?
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Umm...several months ago a bunch of us got together and ordered a NT for Rebellos (who lives in Poland), whose day job it is to code/decode software at the binary level. Since he got a chance to poke at it, we got ICS, JB, and an improved Cyanoboot. Development's moving faster than it is with the MyTouch 4G Slide at its age.
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Hi,
I've had android devices for years and always kept them locked and stocked.
I've not got an Nexus 10 and was wondering is it actually worth rooting the thing and loading a custom rom?
Will I actually gain anything except be able to change where the home button is?
All thoughts welcome!
THanks in Advance.
If nothing else I would root it. That gives you the option of using programs like Titanium Backup to backup apps and install a custom recovery and have the ability to back up your whole device.
As far as custom ROMS go that's a personal choice. Right now there are not allot out due to the newness of the device, but I'm sure that will change very quickly as Devs stat getting it.
I would root to gain access to titanium back up and ad blockers but beside that there aren't that many great custom roms out there. Stock doesn't have bloatware or any common pitfalls of stock.
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If you are tech savvy, I would highly suggest all 3. You can improve things like battery life by undervolting the CPU and GPU, changing to more conservative governors, and having applications automatically shut off your wifi when your tablet turns off (can't remember if you can do that one without root).
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Yeah, i agree with above opinion. You need to learn things before rooting your tablet. You can check out many rooting videos on YouTube channel to learn about that more easily. Besides, many Google Play apps are free to play.
Check out qbking77 videos on youtube and you will get a how to on the rooting process
Ad blocking is one of the top ten reasons to own any Android device. Root is a vital part of the XDA experience.
It is seriously addictive playing around with different kernels and roms and root apps after you make that first plunge and learn how to do it just be prepared for a little frustration at first. Its very hard to find guides that don't assume you already know the terminology and general techniques! But after that first time, its easy
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It is seriously addictive playing around with different kernels and roms and root apps after you make that first plunge and learn how to do it just be prepared for a little frustration at first. Its very hard to find guides that don't assume you already know the terminology and general techniques! But after that first time, its easy
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So true, its fun and very addictive flashing different stuff on your device. You can also apply themes after rooting
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I was on the fence until i realized the advantages in battery life. I went ahead and did it and havent looked back yet. :good:
You get usb otg support with a rooted device which is crucial for the 16 gb version.
At the same time you dont lose anything when rooting. Especially the nexus 10 is intended to be rooted painlessly and you can revert the whole process too if need be
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You get usb otg support with a rooted device which is crucial for the 16 gb version.
At the same time you dont lose anything when rooting. Especially the nexus 10 is intended to be rooted painlessly and you can revert the whole process too if need be
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There is an app so you can use OTG without having root, called nexus media importer. Though you have to buy it.
Yes it is, ParanoidAndroid is well worth it. Plus titanium backup and all that good stuff.
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EvoYas said:
Yes it is, ParanoidAndroid is well worth it. Plus titanium backup and all that good stuff.
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How so exactly? I'm probably wrong, but I only figured PA to only really be useful either if you want to switch between tablet or phone UI on certain apps, and Tablet UI.
Hmm....
Interesting, thanks for the info.
I've got Nexus Media Importer and that's a godsend as I've got the 16gb.
The problem I have now is that I've been using my N10 since November and have just got it the way I like it.
Is there a way to back it up before it gets wiped when I unlock the bootloader?
Also, If I root will I be able to get OTA updates; I want to stick with stock for now.
Thanks in advance
I rooted mine to isse adblock and titanim backup, I will not be flashing another ROM in a good while, I want OTA and the tablet runs really well on stock
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Pharmbob said:
Hmm....
Interesting, thanks for the info.
I've got Nexus Media Importer and that's a godsend as I've got the 16gb.
The problem I have now is that I've been using my N10 since November and have just got it the way I like it.
Is there a way to back it up before it gets wiped when I unlock the bootloader?
Also, If I root will I be able to get OTA updates; I want to stick with stock for now.
Thanks in advance
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There is a way to backup most of the stuff you have on your tablet. It won't be a 1:1 copy tho. You will not get OTA updates but you can alwyas easily flash to stock and get them. In your case i wouldnt recommend rooting the tablet. If you are curious though about the possibilities you might unlock you should at least try it
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There is a way to backup most of the stuff you have on your tablet. It won't be a 1:1 copy tho. You will not get OTA updates but you can alwyas easily flash to stock and get them. In your case i wouldnt recommend rooting the tablet. If you are curious though about the possibilities you might unlock you should at least try it
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Well, that's me rooted! I used the Qbking77 method and it was painless.
Now, what is the first thing (after back up) should I do?
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How so exactly? I'm probably wrong, but I only figured PA to only really be useful either if you want to switch between tablet or phone UI on certain apps, and Tablet UI.
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Not the only thing you could do with PA - I have this flashed and LOVE it! this might be more of a personal thing but the ability to change your navbar color (battery, time, soft keys) per app is amazing! Again to each their own but I like this ROM on this tablet - I use the CM10 Nightlies on my phone as it suits it better.
To answer the OP - read as much as you can before you decide to Root and Flash - I believe all three is a must but I like to customize things.
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Well, that's me rooted! I used the Qbking77 method and it was painless.
Now, what is the first thing (after back up) should I do?
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Well now that you have root and a custom recovery you should try all the candy in this forum
Go to the nexus 10 rom section and try some roms. There are roms that change a whole lot like ParanoidAndroid and there are roms with more subtle changes (like mine).
Keep in mind that flashing a new rom will wipe anything on your tablet but its ok because you can make nandroid (complete) backups of your present state using the recovery.
Also i recommend you to try apps like GMD gesture control. It enables you to define custom gestures for nearly everything. (Comparable tp those on the ipad but more customizable)