I won't pretend I know about how the lag fix increases the performance of my phone. I greatly appreciate the work Developers put into these releases, so this not meant to bash either.
I been using the one click from the market for a while (newer version doesn't work on my Fascinate), the phone is snappier and my quadrant scores are around 2500+ with my noticing it has something to do with I/O being very high with the default setting of about 680MB when installed. I also follow the other defaults loading on boot.
I never tried the older lag fix on the forum...
I'm running Voodoo .02 now and even though I know it's running EXT4 instead of EXT2 on Ryanza's, I notice quadrant scores of 1700+ and not that snappy feel (could be imagined). I do notice that Voodoo uses much less space.
Will the Voodoo fix increase in time with OC kernels or other fixes I'm ignorant of?
Will there be a fix for the 56FPS limit? (not that it's important)
Thanks in advance for the responses. I've always thought the Galaxy S line devices were the fastest, just wondering how to measure or take advantage of this.
Ryan's is ****.
Sorry, but that was mean. There is literally no comparison. Voodoo is miles better than the old lagfix. There is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that Ryan's was a temporary fix before Voodoo.
yeah, i was told that the OCLF was a loopabck command or something along those lines, therefore your quadrant scores are completly inflated, where as voodoo is actually closer to the real filesystems that other phones use or what sould have actually been implemented in the phone in the first place, so in reality the OCLF is jsut inflating your benchmarks, and voodoo is more along the lines of what the phone is actually capapble of. i think voodoo is much smoother and can tell a huge difference, i ran the OCLF for one day and got rid of it, also its pretty inpressive that with a real lafix(voodoo) this blows away all other phones that are out, even then ones on Froyo.
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Ryan's is ****.
Sorry, but that was mean. There is literally no comparison. Voodoo is miles better than the old lagfix. There is absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that Ryan's was a temporary fix before Voodoo.
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Could you be any douchier? Why apologize for something you say in a post when you can just delete what you say before posting it. If you really were sorry you wouldn't have posted that part. It's fine to say that you think one is better than the other, but to call something ****, then apologize right after....on a message board is the beyond doucheness.
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Could you be any douchier? Why apologize for something you say in a post when you can just delete what you say before posting it. If you really were sorry you wouldn't have posted that part. It's fine to say that you think one is better than the other, but to call something ****, then apologize right after....on a message board is the beyond doucheness.
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That was an edit. However, I'm not going to delete what I said just because it was my first instinct.
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That was an edit. However, I'm not going to delete what I said just because it was my first instinct.
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Sometimes our instincts can get the better of us.
I really don't know what you're getting at. I've seriously been a pretty nice guy about stuff lately and this is one instance where I've said something douchy. I do believe that Ryan's fix was a ****ty quick fix. It's better than stock but terrible because it inflates scores and uses terrible loops.
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I really don't know what you're getting at. I've seriously been a pretty nice guys about stuff lately and this is one instance where I've said something douchy. I do believe that Ryan's fix was a ****ty quick fix. It's better than stock but terrible because it inflates scores and uses terrible loops.
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Maybe I'm just being overly analytical, one of my pet peeves is someone apologizing for something they say on a message board, right after posting what they are apologizing for.
I mean, imagine how it would have looked had I just left "Ryan's is ****" or I had deleted it but the edit was still viewable by clikcing the "Edit by Gitykins" thing. I would have looked like even more of a dickhead.
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I mean, imagine how it would have looked had I just left "Ryan's is ****" or I had deleted it but the edit was still viewable by clikcing the "Edit by Gitykins" thing. I would have looked like even more of a dickhead.
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good point
ANYWAY, back to what we were talking about...
Yes, Ryan's OCLF was a great interim fix, but unless I am completely mistaken, even he wasn't thinking of it as the permant solution...
Voodoo, on the other hand, is the real deal, the ACTUAL fix.
Agreed, got mine and looking for a 2.2 rom now.
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Agreed, got mine and looking for a 2.2 rom now.
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Let us know if you find it.
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Let us know if you find it.
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i think samsung has it, but they are being meanies and wont release it :[
First I need to apologize for making this thread in the first place since most of my question was answered in the Original Voodoo thread (I shouldnt have scanned it)
Thank you for the answers, it did give me the information that I needed.
I would like to get into developing themes and have all the necessary know and tools. I am just having some trouble coming up with ideas. So here I am, suggestions?
You mean like a guide on how to theme?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=916814
No, I've got that down, i'm more looking for a concept to build on, like how we have black froyo and what not, im looking for suggestions on what kind of theme to make. but thank you for your response
Professional, clean lines/sharp, color choices that are easy on the eye, easily readable.. something that looks more professional/modern.
black/slate blue/gray
OK sorry about that. Thought you were talking about something else.
If I were to do a theme Id like to do something centered around engine block orange With transparency's
Windows 3.1 had a color theme called "Hot Dog Stand."
I would love to see that ported to the vibrant.
here: http://www.betaarchive.com/imageupload/1291247075.or.75467.png
Alright, well the past 2 posts sound nothing like what I was talking about.... maybe clean/sharp/professional is not what the masses want.
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Alright, well the past 2 posts sound nothing like what I was talking about.... maybe clean/sharp/professional is not what the masses want.
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I think i will most likely do the clean sharp and professional just cuz we need something to show other people who get phones for work to show them that these are just not toys. I do like the idea of a engine/car inspired theme tho that one is going to take alot of creativity to do. I will probably start with a clean and professional one. See what it turns into and use that to help me solidify my skill set. I know most people nowadays are using either tw d4a or eijenhar and i think most of the key roms are KA7 based.
Aren't most of these roms based off the deodexed voodoo ka7 kernel? if so thats what i will likely start themeing for.
Star Trek Consoles.
shreddintyres said:
I think i will most likely do the clean sharp and professional just cuz we need something to show other people who get phones for work to show them that these are just not toys. I do like the idea of a engine/car inspired theme tho that one is going to take alot of creativity to do. I will probably start with a clean and professional one. See what it turns into and use that to help me solidify my skill set. I know most people nowadays are using either tw d4a or eijenhar and i think most of the key roms are KA7 based.
Aren't most of these roms based off the deodexed voodoo ka7 kernel? if so thats what i will likely start themeing for.
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There is a new leak, doubtful you will ever be able to keep up (not a hit on you, just moves fast)....
KA7 and the voodoo kernel is money though. I am wanting to try Eugenes new kernel, but have not yet.. sounds like he has really improved the battery. Currently running Flagship V3 with no plans to switch, best rom I have used to date.
Glad to hear you are taking the clean route!
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There is a new leak, doubtful you will ever be able to keep up.... KA7 and the voodoo kernel is money though. I am wanting to try Eugenes new kernel, but have not yet.. sounds like he has really improved the battery.
Glad to hear you are taking the clean route!
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asjkf i thought the most recent thing was the vibrant 4g kernel eugene and tw were porting over, man i forget to check one day and im already behind.
Moved of: Samsung Vibrant > Vibrant General
To: Samsung Vibrant > Vibrant Q&A
Please put your questions to: Vibrant Q&A
I know everyone says to flash them all and find out what you like but i have some questions...i know the main difference is the UI between them all but what about the things in the background?.....
Performance?
Scripts?
Battery Life?
Features?
Options?
Customization?
Camera/camcorder function (interface/hd video)?
Thanks guys!
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I know everyone says to flash them all and find out what you like but i have some questions...i know the main difference is the UI between them all but what about the things in the background?.....
Performance?
Scripts?
Battery Life?
Features?
Options?
Customization?
Camera/camcorder function (interface/hd video)?
Thanks guys!
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I am not trying to come off as a **** so sorry if it seems like that.
its just that for someone to actually answer every one of those questions in depth and compare EACH of our available roms will take a LOT of time for something that can be found out fairly quickly as u said "just flash and try"...
A nandroid before starting will make checking them all out less hasseling if u don't.enjoy them...
But u could also just download the roms and use something like root explorer to go thru the system apps and check system/etc/init.d to see scripts being included and find out pretty much everything u want to know(except battery life...which.is subjective anyways depending on your personal usage preferences making it hard for anyone to really say which has "better" battery....not like we have custom kernels to go with the roms to improve battery/performance so there's only so much we can squeeze out of it)
I would love to sit here and explain the differences between roms on each thing.u ask but the.post would probably be about 10x as long as this one is
What I CAN say about all your questions is I feel like ALL our roms show a nice improvement over the stock equivalent
Thanks! I've been reading a bit on all of them but all I really found was UI differences. That's why I posed the question about behind the scenes. Thanks for the info though.
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And thank YOU for not taking offense
I wish I COULD answer all of those. Lol
But as I'm sure you know each rom has its benefits with the "behind the scenes" scripts/tweaks and such.
the thing about each.of those tweaks is that the dev who put them into their rom as they saw fit because they feel those are the mods that make the most of their rom.
And then on top of that we have a few mods/tweaks we can make (like build.prop edits or tweak those scripts) as WE feel benefits each of us depending on our usage and what we looking.for.
I tend to try and.keep the tweaks the dev instituted tho and altering then slightly sometimes rather than going and say, flashing speedy scripts to replace them. Sure they might benefit some but most of the tweaks in those scripts have usually been implemented somewhere by the dev and.if not then they felt it wasn't really needed to make the rom better. That's just my opinion tho. Some people swear by using certain tweaks across all roms and that's just fine also.
The BEST part about.all of this is that at least we can experiment somewhat to find what we like
now just imagine what would be available to us if we had unlocked bootloader. This would be considered probably THE BEST 3g phone available. But until then we are stuck wondering if we will be.locked in a cage forever. But at least we have.some.nice roms and stuff to mess with
I will say that I really do enjoy Eclipse 1.2. Battery life is alright, which may just be something that is a user or, I D 10 T error. FOr me it has been a learning experience having come from a DX, which apparently is way different haha.
So I've been thinking about purchasing a fascinate to use for a while, I want to get the galaxy nexus (like everyone else and their brother) but I'm likely gonna just wait until my upgrade is available in July. I currently have the droid incredible, which I do love, but the fascinate appeals to me due to the hardware (GPU, DAC, SAMOLED) and, possibly, development (part of why I'm here to ask your guys' help/opinions).
I use MIUI currently and would pretty much need to have it on whichever is my next device. I see you guys have MIUI builds and from what I can tell, they are pretty bug-free. Curious to hear if there are any issues that I should know about?
I've heard reports of GPS issues with the fascinate, how is it working for you guys on AOSP roms?
Obviously hacking/modding a Samsung is different than what I'm used to with HTC, but am I correct in assuming that you guys have a lot of options when it comes to tweaking kernels, etc? I guess I'm thinking of things like voodoo sound, and display calibration (things you can't do with HTC phones) but I need to do more reading to figure out what they do and how the work on this device...
I see a lot of references to odin and kies. Are either (or both) necessary for rooting and flashing roms, and are they mac compatible? (Researching this now, google should be able to help me with this)
Since the fascinate's hardware shares similarities with the galaxy nexus, it looks like you guys have one of the most functional ICS roms currently available. With ICS source being released and the similarity to the nexus, do you guys think development will continue to flourish on the fascinate? (At least for another 6-8 months)
Finally, looking around on ebay, it looks like a used fascinate can be had for around $90-$120, does that seem like a fair price?
Thanks in advance for any help, I look forward to hearing your insights and opinions!
Im currently running ics v3 on my fassy and I cant see upgrading my device for a long time. Development is still going fairly strong, people here are very helpful for the most part. I would say its definately worth getting a fascinate if you can score one for a 100 bucks. We also have the most lulz than any other section on xda. I know odin wont work with mac, so I cant help you there...but there are a few threads around here with folks using macs with the fassy. Take some time and read up a bit more...can already tell you have done some lurking. Hope to see ya around here more if you end up getting a i500.o
*oh and gps works really well now with some of the latest rom/kenel combos. On cm7 nighlty 112 w/ glitch kenel I was getting a lock in 10sec & 5ft accuracy. Ics v3 is not quite that good but close.
I can't speak to the price, but the development here is excellent despite the phone's age. We have an excellent selection of both TouchWiz-based ROMs and AOSP MTD ROMs. As for kernels, we have at least 3 in each category between here in XDA and Rootzwiki (many of the AOSP ROMs and kernels can also be downloaded from ROM Manager if you don't want to go to Rootzwiki.
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Thanks and thanks!
I feel like I'm probably a little spoiled already since the dev support behind the incredible is pretty strong, but from what I've seen, there's a lot of active development going on here too. Also, most of the activity in the inc dev section is related to sense roms, which I couldn't be less interested in anyway.
The big thing for me is the ICS development going forward, I just see a lot more happening with the fascinate as opposed to the incredible. Basically, us incredible users aren't going to get a fully functional ICS build until a similar HTC device gets upgraded or Qualcomm updates the drivers for our old hardware (probably not gonna happen). I am skeptical as to how quickly HTC will be upgrading their devices to 4.0, and even when that does happen, it will only be newer models meaning, our devs will have to do some driver/EGL hacking and backporting to get HW acceleration working (as I understand, at least). So bottom line, it's just not looking that great for ICS on the incredible, at least for a while, but since the fascinate's GPU is the same as the galaxy nexus', you already have HW accelerated ICS, which is amazing!
I do have some other things I'm curious about with the fascinate, more so hacking Samsungs in general, but I'm pretty sure some searching should yield results, I don't wanna be asking things that have already been gone over! Thanks again, and I'd love to hear more input/opinions/advice, or if anyone could point me in the direction of some good rooting/ROM FAQs. I've looked around here but some of the stickies are either old or have broken links, still gotta check out the fascinate section at rootz though.
EDIT: droidstyle - just saw your guide over at rootzwiki, awesome.
Welp, after researching it, I went for it. Should be here Friday or Saturday so I'll be seeing you guys around!
Welcome
Has anyone seen John Connor?
and a hearty welcome to you good sir. Seriously I would say that that this is one of the easiest devices to get up and running on custom goodies.
ODIN is absolutlely indespensible and a necessity along with updated Samsung drivers. After that all you need to do is ODIN the appropriate CWM Recovery and flash your Rom of choice
Of course read up first so get the right stuff downloaded but that is the gist of it, couldn't get much simpler lol
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
Hey, thanks guys! Really looking forward to getting my feet wet in the Samsung realm. I'm not seeing many options as far as running Odin on mac (aside from running in a VM, which can be wonky), but fortunately I have access to a windows machine. I'll probably be using the guide droidstyle put up on root wiki for rooting and flashing my first couple rooms, but if anyone is aware of some other good guides, I'd love to check em out.
Heimdall is an open source alternative to odin. Its available in osx, linux, and windows. I personally prefer it.sure to its greater granularity.
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This device is one of the hardest devices to brick also. Odin usually fixes all.. And if you're smoking crack while flashing and find that you have tried to flash ios or wp7 while in your mind jelly state. The fascinate has the unbrickable mod. But really unless your flashing roms for other devices or force feeding it pastrami sandwiches through the battery cover you won't need it
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Haha, that's good to head since I do like to spark myself up a crack rock whilst flashing rooms But really, I'm pretty good with fully reading and following directions so I've never been too worried about a brick but it's nice to know that the phone is resilient like that.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this heimdall tool, sounds like that could be what I need if I don't wanna mess around with drivers and windows nonsense.
Also, it looks like I was wrong about the incredible and ICS, our devs are working on getting HW acceleration fully working as we speak. Oh well, I already ordered the fassy still has some distinct advantages like the DAC, GPU, and screen, things that simply can't be improved on the incredible with software. Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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Haha, that's good to head since I do like to spark myself up a crack rock whilst flashing rooms But really, I'm pretty good with fully reading and following directions so I've never been too worried about a brick but it's nice to know that the phone is resilient like that.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this heimdall tool, sounds like that could be what I need if I don't wanna mess around with drivers and windows nonsense.
Also, it looks like I was wrong about the incredible and ICS, our devs are working on getting HW acceleration fully working as we speak. Oh well, I already ordered the fassy still has some distinct advantages like the DAC, GPU, and screen, things that simply can't be improved on the incredible with software. Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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You will really like it from the incredible. So much of an upgrade. Its like a mini galaxy nexus (get it?) And its gpu is, however, pleasing.
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Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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As far as i can see GPS is only an issue with TouchWiz based Roms, and even then there are "fixes" in place that improve performance.
I've never had an issue on any of the AOSP Roms. Thr first cold lock takes time but after that it is fine. You can also grab an app from the market called GPSAids, it is made specifically for Galaxy S devices and if nothing else is a good way to check satalites in view/in use and such.
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
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You will really like it from the incredible. So much of an upgrade. Its like a mini galaxy nexus (get it?) And its gpu is, however, pleasing.
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I feel like it's sort of a galaxy nexus "lite", which sounds intriguing to me. I'd definitely like to spend a little time with a Samsung device before upgrading to the nexus later on, I'm looking forward to it!
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As far as i can see GPS is only an issue with TouchWiz based Roms, and even then there are "fixes" in place that improve performance.
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Thank you, that is good to know as I don't plan on running anything but AOSP roms anyway. It's just an issue I've seen brought up in multiple reviews, but since they're reviewing stock software, that would make sense.
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I feel like it's sort of a galaxy nexus "lite", which sounds intriguing to me. I'd definitely like to spend a little time with a Samsung device before upgrading to the nexus later on, I'm looking forward to it!
Thank you, that is good to know as I don't plan on running anything but AOSP roms anyway. It's just an issue I've seen brought up in multiple reviews, but since they're reviewing stock software, that would make sense.
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Yes. Jt1134 "changed permissions" for the gps. aosp gps locks in seconds while indoors now..
Can't believe Samsung fails so bad at coding. But hey they keep making bleeding edge phones, and jt1134 keeps buying Samsung. Then Samsung is the only phones I'll be using. Thanks jt
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Great bargain phone
I agree that Jt1134 is doing great thing with this phone, we can't lose with the potential growth that he has already made available.
Don
PS my daughter (almost 16) is ready for ICS and just need the camera to work for it to be perfect, otherwise how can a teenager live without a camera?)
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I agree that Jt1134 is doing great thing with this phone, we can't lose with the potential growth that he has already made available.
Don
PS my daughter (almost 16) is ready for ICS and just need the camera to work for it to be perfect, otherwise how can a teenager live without a camera?)
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The camera has been working on Jt's ICS for awhile now.
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Yes. Jt1134 "changed permissions" for the gps. aosp gps locks in seconds while indoors now..
Can't believe Samsung fails so bad at coding. But hey they keep making bleeding edge phones, and jt1134 keeps buying Samsung. Then Samsung is the only phones I'll be using. Thanks jt
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My GPS concerns were definitely put to rest after flashing an AOSP rom (MIUI in my case), I'm getting just as good, if not better, GPS performance as I was with my previous device. There are a couple lingering issues: data either going out entirely or being unusably slow, phantom soft button presses, and non-functional BLN.
But all in all, I like this device way more than the incredible, the amount of control you have with voodoo sound/color & voltage control paired with glitch is amazing. And I haven't even gotten around to trying ICS yet!
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My GPS concerns were definitely put to rest after flashing an AOSP rom (MIUI in my case), I'm getting just as good, if not better, GPS performance as I was with my previous device. There are a couple lingering issues: data either going out entirely or being unusably slow, phantom soft button presses, and non-functional BLN.
But all in all, I like this device way more than the incredible, the amount of control you have with voodoo sound/color & voltage control paired with glitch is amazing. And I haven't even gotten around to trying ICS yet!
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Phantom button presses are the norm for this device, I think everyone gets them for the most part. As far as slow data, are you refering to how slow the theme browser is on MIUI or just in general. I know the theme browser is painfully slow but i never had issue with anything else. What modem are you using? On AOSP Roms EC09 seems to be a fan favorite so to speak and has always been the best for me. Also if data drops out toggle airplane mode on then off, should bring it back.
For BLN do you have BLN Control or Blinky installed from the market? It will not work without one of those installed. Blinky is free but I think BLN Control (the paid version) is well worth it since it has more options to fiddle with.
Hope this helps lol
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."