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Well guys i have been using this TP for about 2 weeks (I bought the 32GB with touchstone at the firesale price) and I must say its bad ass! Personally I think its a nice looking tablet and it feels good in the hand. It may not be the lightest but I personally dont really notice it " fituging my hand". Now let me say I have been using "Palm" for years and think WebOS is by far the best OS with the worst people behind it... but I digress. After the original Pri and all the promises "Palm" made about new hardware just to keep the loyal customers waiting I dropped them. I am now a loyal android user and am using my romed Epic 4g with no problems (waiting for that Galaxy S 2 to drop).
So after putting my TP to 1.5ghz this thing is an amazing tablet and as far as specs go there is not many duel care 1.5ghz 1gb or ram having tablets out there. Plus the GPU is pretty amazing (and I dont think we have even started to utilize it yet). So for 150 bucks I think I got a good deal. If they where to put honeycomb on it this thing would rock (not that I like HC more the WebOS but all the apps really make it worthwhile). Now my favorite thing by far is the Touchstone, I fell in love with it with the Pri and missed it with every phone since. Why no one else has "copied" it is beyond me (yea there is Power matt but its not even close). It is amazing, not only does it "look cool" but its nice to just set the phone/tablet down and not have to find cords to hook up. The feel of tablet of smooth and I really like it.. even better then the Xoom or Ipad2 (yes I have had both). But one of the best features is the "Beats Audio" speakers. This tablet really sounds amazing compared to any other tablet.
So I just wanted to share ... Thanks for reading.
[DISCUSSION] webOS - A Rock to be polished into a Diamond
I'm a cappy and touchpad owner. I don't feel the hype of android on touchpad. You guys take all that effort and money to make WebOs better. There are a handfull of tablets with android around but there's only one with WebOs. Isn't that unique. Make those hours count on something special, not on something
more of the same. Still, I love Android!
loro1575 said:
I'm a cappy and touchpad owner. I don't feel the hype of android on touchpad. You guys take all that effort and money to make WebOs better. There are a handfull of tablets with android around but there's only one with WebOs. Isn't that unique. Make those hours count on something special, not on something
more of the same. Still, I love Android!
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I also managed to get a stupidly cheap touchpad and I have to say, I really don't know why webOS has been taking such a beating. Ok, the app support is very limited but I really like it, ok i've OC'd and tweaked a little but im more than happy with its performance. The only thing that I am missing is VNC and yes I know there is a VNC app in preware but it doesnt work on the touchpad, certainly not without a hardware keyboard anyway.
There are several website sites that just don't work on any of the android browsers I've tried but the touchpad handles them flawlessly. I have skype video which I can't get on Android either.
I'll be keeping webOS unless two things happen...
1) Android is available as a dual boot solution
2) There is no performance loss running Android
I feel the hype, but I'm not sure why...
I have a nook color that I ported to android. Yes, I understand that it does not even come close to the hardware in the touchpad but webOS is so much more fluid than gingerbread.
I really do miss all the available apps for android but also really like how webOS handles certain things, very easy to learn. Might have to hold out converting my touchpad over until they get honeycomb.
Wish some devs would put their effort into making apps for the touchpad. With so many sold, there is a good market there. I am willing to pay for apps, I think many people are, but really, there are no good ones right now.
Things the touchpad needs:
FTP client
Be able to connect to ad hoc networks (for tethering) my rooted OG droid only supports ad hoc for tether
Better Browser (firefox!) i'd even settle for an xscope or dolphin port! The browser is surprisingly severely lacking
There are so many more apps I could use but would settle for the above.
This probably isn't the right sub-forum, but I kind of agree. I also have a Nook Color with CM7 and am loving the slickness WebOS. The lack of apps is disappointing, but on the other hand a lot of Android apps are nothing impressive. I'm really not sure if I would put Android on the Touchpad if/when it's easily available (of course, I already have two other Android devices at home).
Like the above, ad hoc networking, some browser options or plugins, and personally a better PDF reader would be great (ezPDF on Android is nice), along with others. Hopefully since the market has grown from the fire sale, some devs will write or port more apps.
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The lack of apps is disappointing, but on the other hand a lot of Android apps are nothing impressive.
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There are far too many pointless apps out there both in the android market place and the store for that "i-thingy" that people are always harping on about
My needs are simple...
1) A web browser that works and has decent flash support - Check
2) Skype Video - Check
3) SSH Client - Check
4) VNC Client - FAIL
5) Occasional HD video playing (Kinda check)
I'm really hoping that a proper VNC client is developed, then I can forget about android.
foobar1977 said:
I also managed to get a stupidly cheap touchpad and I have to say, I really don't know why webOS has been taking such a beating. Ok, the app support is very limited but I really like it, ok i've OC'd and tweaked a little but im more than happy with its performance. The only thing that I am missing is VNC and yes I know there is a VNC app in preware but it doesnt work on the touchpad, certainly not without a hardware keyboard anyway.
There are several website sites that just don't work on any of the android browsers I've tried but the touchpad handles them flawlessly. I have skype video which I can't get on Android either.
I'll be keeping webOS unless two things happen...
1) Android is available as a dual boot solution
2) There is no performance loss running Android
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I agree with you guys that WebOs isn't that bad... However, I am going to port Android on mine for sure. The problem is the severe lack of apps. Developers are not going to want to develop for it since the Touchpads are dead. Yes they sold a crap ton of them in a matter of days but who wants to develop for an Os that will most likely be dead in a matter of years.
Something I would really like to see is a split keyboard like Thumb Keyboard or Swifkey Tablet. And Ad-Hoc Support would be nice too.
That's just my 2 cents.
Well my problem is that the SSL web login for my university wifi doesn't even work on the touchpad, which pretty much deem the tablet useless.
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I dunno if you knew about this, but WebOS natively supports USB-Host accessories. Look at that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRcvN50-nU (i am not the author, and not even an owner of touchpad yet)
it's on russian, but you can get the main idea: without any modifications, using microusb host cable and powered hub you can attach any USB KB to TP.
I have to say I agree with the OP in some sense. I'm an avid Android fan and I was once an avid windows mobile fan. WebOS seems like the marrying of Android, with its openness, and iOS, with its idiot proofness. I am excited about a dual boot but to be honest i won't see myself using android much on this tablet. I'm liking webOS more and more everyday.
i would actually want webOS with a sort of android app emulator if the apps is what you're after....otherwise i'm pretty happy with it, just wish someone would optimise the OS cuz i'm sure there's a lot of room for improvement
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I have to say I agree with the OP in some sense. I'm an avid Android fan and I was once an avid windows mobile fan. WebOS seems like the marrying of Android, with its openness, and iOS, with its idiot proofness. I am excited about a dual boot but to be honest i won't see myself using android much on this tablet. I'm liking webOS more and more everyday.
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I couldn't agree more, with the Touchpad updated to 3.0.2, overclocked to 1.8ghz on both cores and all the tweaks installed, it's a pretty good OS. I was looking ofrward to Android, now I think I'll stick with WebOS, or at most Dual-Boot, though as we've seen before, Android 2.3 doesn't work that fantastically on a tablet anyway...
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i would actually want webOS with a sort of android app emulator if the apps is what you're after....otherwise i'm pretty happy with it, just wish someone would optimise the OS cuz i'm sure there's a lot of room for improvement
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Did you load preware and overclock that helps smooth out the os quite a bit
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For me the 1990's era stock browser is the only major problem in the otherwise outstanding OS. I don't understand the logic of using such a basic featureless browser for such a critical aspect of the device.
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For me the 1990's era stock browser is the only major problem in the otherwise outstanding OS. I don't understand the logic of using such a basic featureless browser for such a critical aspect of the device.
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Yep. The awful browser and no alternatives is what makes webOS useless for me. Love the concept of the OS, but damn is it buggy. Have to reboot mine twice a day because the sound stops working. Haven't rebooted my iPad in over 3 months.
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I dunno if you knew about this, but WebOS natively supports USB-Host accessories. Look at that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRcvN50-nU (i am not the author, and not even an owner of touchpad yet)
it's on russian, but you can get the main idea: without any modifications, using microusb host cable and powered hub you can attach any USB KB to TP.
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Tried this with my USB Host cable I have for my Xoom and it doesn't work. It does however work beautifully on my Xoom .
Is there something I have to load on the Touchpad for it to Work?
muyoso said:
Yep. The awful browser and no alternatives is what makes webOS useless for me. Love the concept of the OS, but damn is it buggy. Have to reboot mine twice a day because the sound stops working. Haven't rebooted my iPad in over 3 months.
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I don't understand how people are saying the browser is awful? Maybe I just haven't experienced the issues people are having. It loads fast, it renders the internet just as a desktop would, flash works flawlessly. This is by far the best web browsing experience i've ever had. The only other thing i would want is tabs and a search function. I know advanced browser has this but advanced browser is super buggy.
I think webos can be a real competitor to the ipad, but many of the blogs I've watched seem to downplay the touchpad. I think a lot of people fear the touchpad is taking all the attention away from other tablets and gadgets. I've seen lots of hope with the Amazon tablet, but if HP comes back with another round of $99 touchpads all other tablets will be sitting on their butts.
It cannot be said enough, webOS is the most complete and most functional multitasking mobile OS out there. My wife has been a webOS fan and we just got 2 Touchpads and we love them, so do our kids. The ONLY thing missing are some key apps (Netflix, Googles) or this pad would be unbeatable which it almost is right now.
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I don't understand how people are saying the browser is awful? Maybe I just haven't experienced the issues people are having. It loads fast, it renders the internet just as a desktop would, flash works flawlessly. This is by far the best web browsing experience i've ever had. The only other thing i would want is tabs and a search function. I know advanced browser has this but advanced browser is super buggy.
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Ive posted about it elsewhere so I'll make it short. Doesn't render pages right. Glitches text rendering sometimes. No background downloading in background cards. Multiple cards open leads to the browser never re-sharpening the text when switching between them occasionally (25% of the time prob) until you close the card and reopen a new one. No search in page. Barely any customization. Slower than my Epic4g and iPad 1 at rendering and downloading webpages.
Flash works alright though. I don't really get what there is to like about the browser. It would be awesome if I didn't have an iPad or android phone to compare it to I guess.
I just made a video. Loading engadget. Single core 800mhz Ipad 1 on the left, Dual core 1.5ghz overclocked Touchpad on the right. iPad is using Safari and loading with ads and all and Touchpad has flash OFF and is using an ad blocker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmUyADNN4w
Pathetic performance by the Touchpad frankly.
Enough with the pre order talk.. I want to hear about the device. For everyone with the device, what are you first impressions? Build quality worth the hype? I have a honeycomb tab already, does quad core help it out ?
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I'll happily let you know in a couple hours when UPS delivers mine
Honey comb is horrible. Wifi and speaker are weak, ice cream sandwich can't get here fast enough. Some thing is just not right, almost feels like it is fps locked with the stutters I'm getting. No way should it be CPU limited with tegra 3 .. Living up to the hype? Let's just say I understand why they debated on delaying it on ics.
vincey2kr1 said:
Honey comb is horrible. Wifi and speaker are weak, ice cream sandwich can't get here fast enough. Some thing is just not right, almost feels like it is fps locked with the stutters I'm getting. No way should it be CPU limited with tegra 3 .. Living up to the hype? Let's just say I understand why they debated on delaying it on ics.
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Well thats not good.
I think your to hard on the device! You'll grow I it! Lol hopefully it doesn't suck it shouldn't all the reviews where great!
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vincey2kr1 said:
Honey comb is horrible. Wifi and speaker are weak, ice cream sandwich can't get here fast enough. Some thing is just not right, almost feels like it is fps locked with the stutters I'm getting. No way should it be CPU limited with tegra 3 .. Living up to the hype? Let's just say I understand why they debated on delaying it on ics.
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What the hell is up with everyone thinking that ICS will magically make everything better? I think most of the major performance-related improvements were done in Honeycomb (like hardware acceleration, for instance).
I guarantee you that if you're not satisfied with the performance now, you won't be satisfied with ICS.
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What the hell is up with everyone thinking that ICS will magically make everything better? I think most of the major performance-related improvements were done in Honeycomb (like hardware acceleration, for instance).
I guarantee you that if you're not satisfied with the performance now, you won't be satisfied with ICS.
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It's not performance its the screen transitions! Apple doesn't use them really it just changes screens android is supposed to look cool when changing screens! Lol don't complain!
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Read annadtech's review, they complain about the wifi , speaker and overall hesitant to recommend it as well. I think there spot on, hardware is there I believe it's the dam software..
hmmm well thats not a good start... all the reviews are positive. anyone else?
vincey2kr1 said:
Honey comb is horrible. Wifi and speaker are weak, ice cream sandwich can't get here fast enough. Some thing is just not right, almost feels like it is fps locked with the stutters I'm getting. No way should it be CPU limited with tegra 3 .. Living up to the hype? Let's just say I understand why they debated on delaying it on ics.
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stutters? where are you getting stutters? the only thing i complained about is the stock browser, its still slow. and weak speaker? are you kidding me, have you used an speaker on a tablet before? where and when did you get your device.
I've had the galaxy tab, iPad 2 and gf defiantly thinks it's weaker then her speaker and agrees. Hell my epic touch speaker is louder. I'm getting stutters in Web browser (HD dolphin, opera, and stock) during scrolling and even while loading. Force close on NFL direct TV app. and omg try Netflix , market stutters... The movies do actually play well though. I got mine through tiger direct yesterday. How's your wifi signal? Maybe I got one of the defective ones like Annatech did twice.
vincey2kr1 said:
Honey comb is horrible. Wifi and speaker are weak, ice cream sandwich can't get here fast enough. Some thing is just not right, almost feels like it is fps locked with the stutters I'm getting. No way should it be CPU limited with tegra 3 .. Living up to the hype? Let's just say I understand why they debated on delaying it on ics.
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Well ill add my 2 on the speker.WHen i played with the demo at Gamestop the speaker is louddddd.You cant even turn it up all the way its loud.....It was also moving smooth to me..
Postal76 said:
What the hell is up with everyone thinking that ICS will magically make everything better? I think most of the major performance-related improvements were done in Honeycomb (like hardware acceleration, for instance).
I guarantee you that if you're not satisfied with the performance now, you won't be satisfied with ICS.
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You're telling me an ice cream sandwich never made your day better?
Well, there will ALWAYS be outliers, in everything. Kind of the exception that proves the rule.
Pretty much everyone else here who's gotten hands-on with the Prime hasn't had this kind of negative experience, and so I'm going to be reserving my own judgment until I have mine in my own hands.
oasis9389 said:
hmmm well thats not a good start... all the reviews are positive. anyone else?
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Eh? The Anandtech reviewer, probably the most in depth one, felt he had okay wireless on his 3rd unit. Even then he said it wasn't as good as the original transformer. Many other reviews are very superficial.
For the record, I've ordered one. But I'm not emotionally invested in this device like many on this forum are (not saying you are).
vincey2kr1 said:
I've had the galaxy tab, iPad 2 and gf defiantly thinks it's weaker then her speaker and agrees. Hell my epic touch speaker is louder. I'm getting stutters in Web browser (HD dolphin, opera, and stock) during scrolling and even while loading. Force close on NFL direct TV app. and omg try Netflix , market stutters... The movies do actually play well though. I got mine through tiger direct yesterday. How's your wifi signal? Maybe I got one of the defective ones like Annatech did twice.
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I agree that the speaker might not be as loud, but i think it wins in its clarity, and franfly i think its loud enough when you are holding it. dolphin and stock stutters a bit for sure, but even opera? that's odd. how far away from the router are you, i have the early production one but wifi seems to be fine.
Try it before you buy!
I do not own one, but I have played with almost daily in a Gamestop store here in NYC.
Very disappointed. So much so that I cancelled my order with TD.
The speaker is soo quiet is just ridiculous. Much bigger than you'd think.
Screen is super bright but it has this very unatractive yellowish tint and the colors look washed out. Laggy as hell.
It is on display next to the Tab 10.1 and after playing with both side by side, I almost went and got the Samsung tablet instead.
I think I'll wait for the Tab 7.7 now. Screen and speaker sound is just too importabt to me.
I can't believe this, I'm not sure if you guys are trolling, but with EVERY review i saw the device was just superb smooth. Maybe the browser isn't too optimize, but overall the device is just smooth as butter in the video's. I can't see why that wouldn't be with the retail one.
JoeyLe said:
I can't believe this, I'm not sure if you guys are trolling, but with EVERY review i saw the device was just superb smooth, maybe the browser isn't too optimize, but overall the device is just smooth as butter in the video's, I can't see why that wouldn't be with the retail one.
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we need some more imput from people that have the device.. i expect some lag.. but i expect it to be much smoother than my og xoom.
Just been to the ASUS Benelux launch party and I had the chance to talk with the System Marketing manager at ASUS.
I added some more info (RED):
- I asked him about the GPS. He admitted that it is a hardware "failure" because of the aluminum back and that it will never reach the desired standard. However, he said they will NOT remove the GPS from the device and try to fix it a little with some more software updates. But he really pressed on the fact that they will NOT remove the GPS as rumored here...
- There were two ICS tablets present which he told were shipped from the Taiwan developers only for this launch and are send back later this weekend. The development menus were still present and next to the "eco", "balanced" and "normal" mode in the menu, I could also select a development mode. I wondered what this did to the tablet, but after some investigation in the settings menu it turned out that it clocked the CPU cores to 1.5GHZ or 1.6GHZ (see images below). This explains the tablets in the benchmarks Furthermore, there were alot of other development options, like forcing hardware acceleration to all applications (including 2D content). I ask him if the higher clock function will also be available in the retail ICS version, but sadly I won't But it shows that the tablet can easily be clocked higher than 1.4GHZ I tried to film the menus but the video turned out a bit fuzzy, if you want I can upload it tomorrow to youtube.
- They hooked up the tablet to a 3d tv and beamer and we could play 3d movies and riptide on it Was really nice and smooth!!
- Interesting fact he told too: The early development units of the Transformer Prime had a subwoofer built in the keyboard. However, these are removed from the retail versions
- I said the speakers were much better compared to the TF1. He explained that they made a design error there as the TF1 did have the same sized speakers but on one side it was in a much more cramped space. Therefore, they couldn't create the same size of resonance chambers as on the other side. This explains the difference in the loudness and bass of the sound on one of the sides like many users reported. He also told that they tried to patch that a little with levelling software, but it was a hardware issue. Therefore, to prevent the same problem, they opted for speakers on only one side on the TP.
- An entertainment dock for the TP will be introduced aswell. This is just some sort of a big speaker with a larger subwoofer where you can attach your prime to.
- Next to the origami sleeve, a full body sleeve will be introduced which will cover the tablet and the dock. That one will cost about €50,-
Maybe I forgot something, so questions... please ask!
Images are really large so I just linked to them:
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/91/201201062000521.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7373/201201062001011.jpg
VIDEO ADDED (A BIT OUT OF FOCUS) but in the last part you can see a bit of the ICS UI on the TP, I will add another one which show the new task manager:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUDAalMwCuw&context=C3d100a6ADOEgsToPDskKACJiRPST2zNh3foSHjofa
Nice heads-up
Have you actually had the chance to play with a HC Prime before?
If so can you tell us if you noticed differences in speed and all those things?
I am pretty sure we can re-activate that dev-mode via custom ROMs
Did you see whether that powersaving - contrast reducing - broken feature when changing to powersave mode is present in ICS?
How about the custom Quicksettingsbar, does it look like the HC one?
Yes I have one myself and they had a few HC versions there too Sadly I did not noticed alot of speed differences between HC and ICS. Neither did other people who were testing them. It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ). Also the keyboard lag was almost gone completely. But in terms of speed that was it, I think. Keep in mind that this was still a development version It did had alot less FCs than HC.
The quick settings bar was exactly the same as in the HC version (but with the Roboto font). I do not know about the power-saving feature, did not really paid attention to that but I did not see anything bad or funny happen when I switched to it (it did reduced the brightness like normal)...
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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Yes true, I will upload the video tomorrow (getting late now and it is a large file). It is not very good quality but it shows the UI a bit and if you look carefully you can read the DEV menu settings
flight777 said:
Yes I have one myself and they had a few HC versions there too Sadly I did not noticed alot of speed differences between HC and ICS. Neither did other people who were testing them. It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ). Also the keyboard lag was almost gone completely. But in terms of speed that was it, I think. Keep in mind that this was still a development version It did had alot less FCs than HC.
The quick settings bar was exactly the same as in the HC version (but with the Roboto font). I do not know about the power-saving feature, did not really paid attention to that but I did not see anything bad or funny happen when I switched to it (it did reduced the brightness like normal)...
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Nice to hear. Dev versions are normally way slower than release builds. So if the dev version runs the same speed we can be pretty sure ICS won't leave much place for complaints
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there are other things for dev mode like power saving being disabled, no timeout for screen and wifi always on, that sort of thing.
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Yea but those things are normal for any Android device. But ICS has way more options, that's pretty cool
Bedankt!
Did they also tell if the OC function was going to be a option in the final version which we get via OTA? Would be pretty cool, less need to root/unlock at least.
JoeyLe said:
Bedankt!
Did they also tell if the OC function was going to be a option in the final version which we get via OTA? Would be pretty cool, less need to root/unlock at least.
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Graag gedaan
Nope it won't like I said in the original post, only for ASUS devs At least, that was what he said... But I think our XDA devs have no problem to restore this feature
Did you ask about the bluetooth and wifi issues
Nope, but I tested it with both my HC version, the HC version they have there and the ICS version and they there was almost no impact on WIFI performance when bluetooth was on and vice versa. Wifi was fine during the party but they also placed one of their high end routers in the center of the room
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It was still really smooth however, maybe the transitions were bit smoother than HC and the browser was a big improvement (no lag ).
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I think the Prime on HC is plenty smooth and fast in general and don't really expect much improvement from ICS in this regard. However, if ICS manages to make for a better stock browsing experience, I think it'll pretty much live up to my expectations.
Good to hear. Hopefully my unit will not have any problems.
Did they already fix the hdmi audio issue, multi channel only relaying to left speaker?
wynand32 said:
I think the Prime on HC is plenty smooth and fast in general and don't really expect much improvement from ICS in this regard. However, if ICS manages to make for a better stock browsing experience, I think it'll pretty much live up to my expectations.
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Yah I agree. The speed is top notch. The smoothness is just a bit below ipad standards but its fairly marginal and doesn't effect actual usage. I have been pleasantly surprised with the speed and even smoothness of HC after hearing so many complaints about it on tegra 2 and other devices. Heck even text input for me has been very good.
I wonder if they fixed:
1. browser bookmarks sync function, which simply does NOT work
2. battery details on apps in the settings does not work. We need to see app battery usage, not just system processes. ICS has a greatly advanced function they showed at the ICS conference, it better make it into the tablet and Asus better have improved the kernel to collect and display the data with the cool new ICS battery usage display
3. we need more and better widgets as the selection is a joke
YES! I love posts like these from people on the inside. Another reason to love xda so much. I'm really interested in that Dev. overclocking mode. if its said it can easily be clocked over 1.4Ghz then with developers here we might could possibly see 2Ghz or a lil higher. of course stability and heat is a major factor. This is all great news. plus I like how they said they will still release software updates to improve GPS as best as possible. ICS sounds like its nice also. Thanks again for this info OP. Prime seems to get better by the day. Plus I got my NEODROID(NeoGeo emulator) installed. we on a roll
edit: I wonder if those overclocks are across the board, all 4 cores, or on a single core. regardless it'll be faster n more powerful. I WANT IT NOW! lol
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Nope, but I tested it with both my HC version, the HC version they have there and the ICS version and they there was almost no impact on WIFI performance when bluetooth was on and vice versa. Wifi was fine during the party but they also placed one of their high end routers in the center of the room
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you're not going to notice the problem with Bluetooth and Wifi both just enabled. When Bluetooth is turned-on but nothing paired and in-use for then it is just as good as being off.
You have to pair a Bluetooth device and operate it in conjunction with the Wifi,
the best way is to stream something like video (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, Amazon) on the Prime and listen to it in stereo with some stereo Bluetooth headphones. You're going to notice the problem in 1-3 minutes.
i really wonder if we can use all5 cores at once lol!
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the_game_master said:
you're not going to notice the problem with Bluetooth and Wifi both just enabled. When Bluetooth is turned-on but nothing paired and in-use for then it is just as good as being off.
You have to pair a Bluetooth device and operate it in conjunction with the Wifi,
the best way is to stream something like video (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, Hulu, Amazon) on the Prime and listen to it in stereo with some stereo Bluetooth headphones. You're going to notice the problem in 1-3 minutes.
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I was sending some photos which I took with the prime (8mp) to my mobile and in the meanwhile was browsing the web...
In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
Singhman said:
In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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I'll venture a guess here, and say no.
I've got a TP running GB, not overclocked. But GB and ICS are both still buggy as hell, which DQ's the TP in such a test.
If you're doing a speed test and you get FC's and reboots, IMO that should count for something.
I'm not trying to slam dev's here. I love the CM guys and everyone who's working so hard to give me Android goodness on the HPTP.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
But seriously, do you think you could compare a $100 tablet running 3rd party open source ROMs and software to the leading market standard?!
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In terms of browser speeds, time to open applications, google maps rendering speeds etc...is the Touchpad overclocked to 1.7 with CM9 running faster or not? thanks
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Well, first reply not withstanding, I'm running Xrons 2.9.1 at 1.782GHz and it's as smooth as silk with no FCs, reboots or any other faults.
I had the opportunity of using an iPad and all I can tell you is that the iPad owner was looking a little sick when he tried mine!
I wouldn't swop what I have and when a stable fully working CM9 hits the streets it will only get better.
I've tested them side by side and while browsing Opera Mobile under XRON 2.9 @ 192mhz/1.5ghz (up threshhold @ 40%) the TP was about 80% as fast as the iPad 2 at general responsiveness (zooming, scrolling through pages on heavy sites), and a tie at loading pages - some loaded faster on the TP and vice versa.
I also tried the stock XRON browser, but it was too choppy and there was really no comparison.
Google Maps is much faster on the iPad 2 with less jumpiness and is overall just smoother.
Strangely, Google Earth feels much more fluid on the Touchpad with smoother zooming/panning and faster loading.
General responsiveness probably goes to the iPad 2, the home screen is just smoother and more responsive compared to every launcher I tried (VTL, ADW, SPB Shell 3D, Launcher Pro and a few others), and apps tend to open faster.
Netflix is much better on the iPad 2, video is sharper with less compression and scrolling is much smoother.. Not sure if it is playing HD but there is a noticeable difference for sure.
Things have changed quite a bit on ICS and it could be closer now.
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You dont have ICS so you dont know how smooth ICS actually is in TP.
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It's an Alpha build. If it were in Beta, or out of Beta, I'd consider it. But there are certain implications associated with the Alpha stages of software builds.
iPad 2's GPU outright slays all android devices, so as far as UI you're not going to find a device that even comes close that's out right now, including the Transformer Prime /:
I've heard good things about the Nexus Tablet though.....
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While I love my HP TouchPad I have to tell you that nothing can touch the current A5 CPU/GPU the iPad 2 uses. It's amazing to say the least. But the TouchPad is good for lots of other things
I've compared my TP (both WebOS and Alpha 3 CM7) to my cousin's iPad 2 and the browsing experience is much better on the iPad. But like sean said, if ICS were in beta or even out then it would be a close battle. I'm running an ICS beta on my Samsung Fascinate and it's the most beautiful rom I've ever played with. Hopefully the TP gets to that same level.
Its hard to compare since they are running 2 completely different operating systems and browsers. Chances are the iPad2 will be faster only because its running a stable OS (I'm not saying Android is unstable, just that its not OEM).
But with the Touchpad you get decent hardware for a lot cheaper and you can run CM.
I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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Thanks!
I find the ICS browser on the Touchpad to be great. Its the first all around great browser I've used in Android in terms of scrolling experience, UI, etc.
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I'm not really sure where comments like 'buggy as hell' are coming from or what kind of experience other people are having, or apparently not having with some people not having tried and based on assupmtion, but the CM9 runs really smooth for me. The only area where it doesn't is Flash based video, which is a known issue due to the current lack of hardware acceleration.
Alpha is just a word. Some developers are very cautious and prefer to keep things in alpha and beta stages as long as possible to ensure everything is working as it should while others will just push anything out the door.
CM9 seems to run faster on the whole and is a much more responsive experience for me than CM7. I really haven't had any major issues either.
Honestly, even though it's an 'alpha' I've had no problems. On the other hand, I've definitely had the experience of dealing with lots of problems for final release products that I've paid for.
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I more or less agree.
I've had few major problems with CM9a0.5. I'd say it is at least as stable as CM7, and WiFi has actually been more stable for me compared to XRON/CM7 (although still not perfect). And of course the "tablet" experience of ICS is worlds ahead of GB.
The biggest downside to CM9 is the lack of video acceleration therefore lack of Netflix/Youtube HD and high bitrate 720p/1080p videos.
I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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I only tried overclocking my cm9 touch pad with setCPU once and it crashed. Have not tried it since.
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ICS>iOS 'nuff said.
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^^this
cm9 is just awsome. i wish i could get rid of the webOS part because it's a waste of space.
Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Friend at work as a Ipad2. Paid regular price for it. I took my TP in one day (with cm7) and again the other day (now with cm9). I think she feels rather foolish paying as much as she did and then seeing what I can all do with my $150 tablet...
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Probably not. Given the level of effort required for installation, maintenance, and learning the more technical side of things, she'd most likely stick with the iPad.
I dont know your work friend, but that's my guess.
People naturally think that because you managed to get the TP up and running with ICS, that it was worthless getting an iPad. But those people most likely are the same one's that don't have the knowledge to really enjoy the TP, not to mention put the effort into keeping it that way. And at the current state (not even to Alpha 1), it's no comparison.
i payed less than $100 for my touchpad............it now has ICS, it's as fast as any tablet on the market, and has great developmental support. why the hell would i want to pay $500 for another tablet? it's not just ipad, i had tossed around the idea of getting a transformer prime for a while and probably would have one if they weren't so hard to get. then ics hit the touchpad and well the rest is history. i'm happy now. but that's just me and my "$100 fast as hell ICS tablet" talkin.
The thing most people don't understand is if it's this close to an ipad WITHOUT hardware acceleration. It'll straight blow an ipad 2 out of the water when we get it. ICS is more like iOS in that it has hardware accelerated ui. Android never offered that before, which is why we have compensated with faster and more powerful processors up until this point.
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Hi guys,
I went to Best Buy yesterday and got to try your Asus Prime. Wow! I was impress by the speed and the Ics. I was gonna buy it but they freshed out.
However, I did some reading on your Q&A add I see that the little ***** is giving you some trouble. Is it that bad, is it happening to everybody? I currently own a gtb 7510. Is not bad. I have a custom rom Task14 and oc'd to 1.4 with petshoots kernel. Still, the Asus is pretty impressive with its speed is very responsive and the display is beautifull.
Gtap is ok but its still not @ par with the ipad2. I think the asus prime (the one I tried) does size up to the ipad3.
So, is everyone here having issues with the ATP?
Thank you.
Edit- I'm asking all this because I'm still on time to return my gtab.
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welll for me my Asus TF Prime been good do far. Had it for about 3 weeks.
I'm in the UK btw.
Everything is working and running smoothly on this tablet. No crashes whatsoever.
I guess it depends are lucky you are. For me I am lucky i have a 100% perfect Tablet.
But then every product I have brought by far has been good to me apart from the dell streak 5 which lasting for 2 monthes the screen suddenly broke!
I say go ahead buy this tablet, You won't regret it. Did I mention that this tablet looks sexy too!
It does look sexy!
It sure runs everything you throw at it.
I got 1080p .mkv files to play which I couldn't on my first Transformer.
It runs my playstation games great too (emu)
Wireless gamepad (BT) on the go. I am using the ps3 pad.
I do use onlive on my tablet and it is amazing.
Free splashscreen software which I stream my pc desktop to my Prime at times. Can play CS:S on it lol
web surfing is fine by far. No hipcups.
Incredible super IPS+. Makes this look comparable to the new ipad with the brightness full & IPS+
I would use my Prime to type on here but I am currently using it to watch the Engadget podcast lol
Using the keyboard dock is nice. typing won't be as good as what you get on your keyboard but will pass. the batt is amazing. Surfing the net, checking my email, movie watching (1-2) will last me a whole day. when I am playing games and watching movies (2-3), listening to music it will last about 5-6 hours for me. ALL THESE NOT DOCKING THE TABLET INTO THE KEYBOARD DOCK.
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It does look sexy!
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I shade one of the first batches as I got it a couple days before launch day(game stop) and I haven't had any problems with it at all, the new batches will have almost none of the reported problems except GPS but I love it, its great for browsing and movies
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I shade one of the first batches as I got it a couple days before launch day(game stop) and I haven't had any problems with it at all, the new batches will have almost none of the reported problems except GPS but I love it, its great for browsing and movies
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Talking about GPS . I havnt use it and never checked lol I am gonig to check see if mine is ok
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Talking about GPS . I havnt use it and never checked lol I am gonig to check see if mine is ok
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Please let us know how it's working.
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Please let us know how it's working.
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Yes working with no problems on my device.
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I got mine 1 week ago in Germany, got a C20 serial, and it works perfectly, the GPS is not the best one i have used but does works. Locks relative fast to 10 sat's with no wifi.
Wifi is fast, i get all my 32mb internet speed while testing with Speedtest.net, Bluetooth works wonders.
While using BT a2dp and wifi my internet does get slow but the connection never drops.
Screen quality is amazing and using EZOverclock increased the Performance speed to 1.6ghz making video and gaming experience really good.
I'm very happy with my transformer, I'd buy it again without even thinking.
Edit: video and gaming was perfect even before OC, i just wanted the extra power ^^
It has been a great experience for me. I have no problems with my device. It has nice feel about it and your hands will seldom get tired of holding it with extended use. The battery just keeps going and going.
Mine has also been great and is an early one. Everything works fine and even got gps locks the one time I tested it, haven't needed it since so it has been off for months. Wifi is fine on it so have absolutely no complaints, I really enjoy it.
get it! lol. had my prime since 12/22 and hasn't let me down yet. been using it nonstop. I came fro IOS/Ipad to the prime. The difference in speed, power, and everything is night n day better than my Ipad. if you get one now, chances very slim to get one with issues some experienced. its more than worth it. I'm still amazed at how well mines work and how thin and light this tablet is. plus the battery lasts long as a mofo.
Get it, its a great device I'm really pleased with mine. No issues with it although this is number 3. First 2 had bright spots on the screen when using a white background so make sure u check the screen very closely right away
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I'm really pleased with my Prime. I do get the occasional browser stutter but, apart from that, performance has been fine. I would say that it seemed more reliable once I took Chrome off and re-installed Flash (but this may just be coincidence!). GPS performance is the same as for other people i.e. iffy at best!
Only complaints from me are stock browser stutter, WiFi performance drops off considerably if I use my PS3 controller via BT at the same time, and screen glare (this thing is shiny)!
So I just use another browser besides stock, and use the controller with games that don't need WiFi, or if they do, I switch to my Logitech usb controller.
I've had mine for about 3 weeks, and just had a random reboot last night. I'm completely fine with that, my iPad 2 had a few random reboots in it's time as well.
I installed an anti-glare screen, which works fine.
The keyboard dock is great..!
The only issues I've had with my tablet were caused from unstable custom ROMs like CM9 KANG and AOKP Milestone 4. I'm currently running stock and haven't had any issues. I'll be waiting until an official build of AOKP or CM9 comes to the Prime before switching back away from stock.
paleman27 said:
Hi guys,
I went to Best Buy yesterday and got to try your Asus Prime. Wow! I was impress by the speed and the Ics. I was gonna buy it but they freshed out.
However, I did some reading on your Q&A add I see that the little ***** is giving you some trouble. Is it that bad, is it happening to everybody? I currently own a gtb 7510. Is not bad. I have a custom rom Task14 and oc'd to 1.4 with petshoots kernel. Still, the Asus is pretty impressive with its speed is very responsive and the display is beautifull.
Gtap is ok but its still not @ par with the ipad2. I think the asus prime (the one I tried) does size up to the ipad3.
So, is everyone here having issues with the ATP?
Thank you.
Edit- I'm asking all this because I'm still on time to return my gtab.
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The issues with the Prime are fairly overblown.
Most people don't have a single complaint with regards to their Prime. The vast majority of people who come to XDA looking to talk about the Prime are people who are having some kind of issue they want to resolve and aren't really representative of the overall community or Prime owners.
My experience is that WiFi is just fine. Nearly as good as my Windows laptop and better than my Galaxy S2 phone. It even works well when I am streaming music to a set of Bluetooth headphones.
I have a very slight light bleed in one corner that is only noticeable on the boot screen. However compared to my Dell laptop the light bleed would probably be considered non-existent. Viewing angles, color, saturation etc are all very good.
GPS doesn't work for Navigation which is why Asus removed it from the feature list, however it works perfectly fine for location-based services like Search.
In general there is nothing to complain about. The Prime is very good product and it has basically replaced my laptop as my go-to device for web browsing, email and light office work. If you combine it with the keyboard dock it is an even more useful device and battery life is stellar when compared to any similar laptop/tablet.
I honestly believe that the Prime is one of the best and most useful tablet devices available right now. The only reason that I might want to wait on purchasing it is to see what the TF Infinity will be like. The TF Infinity should be nearly identical to the Prime, but will have a better screen and possible better GPS. It will also cost $100 more.
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The issues with the Prime are fairly
I honestly believe that the Prime is one of the best and most useful tablet devices available right now. The only reason that I might want to wait on purchasing it is to see what the TF Infinity will be like. The TF Infinity should be nearly identical to the Prime, but will have a better screen and possible better GPS. It will also cost $100 more.
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lol..
You have to remember that the people complaining are a small fraction of the total userbase.
The problem with internet ratings is that when you have a problem, you'll be dam sure to look it up and post in the appropriate forum, blog, website.. whatever.
If you have no issue, why would you bother to look for the websites?
My prime is awesome, no issues whatsoever.
I'm only here because I happen to develop some minor stuff for another device on Android and now own a prime. but I'm the small percentage saying this thing rocks.
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No matter which XDA Device thread you read, you will be scared to hell. I mean if I would have a problem with my TFP I would post here, because there are tons of competent people around here.
Never fix your buy-decision on the xda threads of the device. I was happy with the last 3-4 phones I've had, but when I check the xda forums for them it seems like I'm the only one who was happy at all