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The Director of HTC promises drivers for the Qualcomm phones!!
http://www.htcclassaction.org/responses.php#update_20080214_2
And for the dutch readers here, on tweakers .net, a dutch ICT website (in dutch ofcourse) 8-P says:
http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/51901/htc-directeur-belooft-drivers-voor-geplaagde-toestellen.html
Guess we'll just have to wait and see, but this is good news.
The display drivers really are incredibly sucky on the Qualcomm devices.
I am starting to believe in miracles...
Do you think that they'll unlock gps and wifi??
Billokko said:
Do you think that they'll unlock gps and wifi??
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Why should they.. they didn't promise GPS nor WIFI, only a state of the art peformance monster. Guessing that IF they would provide us with WIFI (and maybe GPS), that would be with WM6.1
They nly gonna optimise drivers for the processor and the gpu(ati) wich result in better performance in video's and scrolling and such.
Since they did'nt announce gps and wifi with the release of the dual, the wouldn make a driver for it.
gr. bram
So We have accelerated GPUs in our Niki's? without drivers though?
Kurt
rumble291 said:
So We have accelerated GPUs in our Niki's? without drivers though?
Kurt
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Most of the HTC product line with the Qualcomm MSM7200 have accelerated video processing. However it isn't used. In any of them. It was first noticed (I think) on the Kaiser.
Try an action game that uses the touch screen, and you'll see the problem. I put Tomb Raider on mine, and start her moving, alls fine. Try to touch the screen to turn the character, and the frame refresh rate drops through the floor.
They've used software graphics "acceleration", ie. the drivers do NOT make use of the hardware available on the phone.
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So We have accelerated GPUs in our Niki's? without drivers though?
Kurt
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Yup, the qualcomm msm 7200 is a all in one chip that features:
- 400mhz processor
- Gps
- Wifi
-Gpu(ati)
in our duals the only driver we have is for the processor, so we arent using the gps wifi and gpu.
HTC announced that the dual hasnt support for wifi and gps so we must live with that becouse we knew we hadn't.
BUT htc dit also announce in their press release of the dual that is would use the full capability's of the msm 7200(except for the gps and wifi).
Since the framerates drop when watching video's, playing games or scrolling in internet explorer, they dont use the gpu inside the chip but a sofware acceleration wich is generated by the cpu.
so instead of using the gpu they extra ballast the cpu for graphic acceleration.
Stupid htc.
gr. bram
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The Director of HTC promises drivers for the Qualcomm phones!!
http://www.htcclassaction.org/responses.php#update_20080214_2
And for the dutch readers here, on tweakers .net, a dutch ICT website (in dutch ofcourse) 8-P says:
http://life.tweakers.net/nieuws/51901/htc-directeur-belooft-drivers-voor-geplaagde-toestellen.html
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Seeing is believing....
I believe I read somewhere that there were issues with the HTC touchscreen drivers before the MSM7200/7500 devices. I have an Ipaq 2210 which runs tomb raider flawlessly without the use of a GPU.
That said, the processor wasn't designed to run alongside one.
For those interested the 2210 uses an Intel PXA255 processor clocked at 400Mhz. By my reckoning our Duals should out-perform this device simply due to advancement in the various technologies. But apparently this is not so :-(
Oh right I see. I bet they wont release an update for the GPS and WiFi though. Just hope that the thread about WiFi and GPS can get the WiFi and maybe GPS to work on our niki's would be great make a pretty dam good phone even better.
Kurt
when the phone was first announced and the prototype versions being showed htc said that there were was NO WIFI HARDWARE in the phone to keep the size of the phone down.
is this true or not...
has anyone actually opened the phone to see if this is true or not or is everyone just obsessed with whether or not it can be unlocked with software.
it would be a bit hard to unlock what is not there to begin with!
ahm ... if u looked into the wifi threads u'd see the pictures .......
i have seen the pictures but it was never advertised to have wifi.
and if it is as easy as a software fix it woudl have been sorted already.
correct?
not correct
well thank you for clearing that up in such detail for me.
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Yup, the qualcomm msm 7200 is a all in one chip that features:
- 400mhz processor
- Gps
- Wifi
-Gpu(ati)
in our duals the only driver we have is for the processor, so we arent using the gps wifi and gpu.
HTC announced that the dual hasnt support for wifi and gps so we must live with that becouse we knew we hadn't.
BUT htc dit also announce in their press release of the dual that is would use the full capability's of the msm 7200(except for the gps and wifi).
Since the framerates drop when watching video's, playing games or scrolling in internet explorer, they dont use the gpu inside the chip but a sofware acceleration wich is generated by the cpu.
so instead of using the gpu they extra ballast the cpu for graphic acceleration.
Stupid htc.
gr. bram
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This is of course really irritating! I thought I would be able to watch videos on my device but in fact it is useless for this! As it would be such an easy fix I can't see why HTC wouldn't do this. If they seriously think I'll buy a new HTC then they are seriously mistaken! By the time my Touch Dual is paid off on my plan then the Apple Iphone 3G will hopefully be available here in Sweden!
perhaps all this is due to the quallcomm/widcomm suit ??
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This is of course really irritating! I thought I would be able to watch videos on my device but in fact it is useless for this!
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You can view movies in touch dual! You just have to reduce the size of the video to qvga (320x240) which is the size of the touch screen. If you try to see a "normal" movie in the touch, it will have to render a lot of useless pixels which you wont see in the tiny screen, and that makes it slower. I used to watch movies all the time in my prophet (200mhz) with no problem at all, and great quality!
X10 is garbage! this is outrageous!
Yes really, they got it working, you want it so bad try porting it yourself
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cry about it?
if you want it so bad for your phone, learn to port it yourself. until then, since you rely solely on other peoples' hard work and sweat, shut up and be patient.
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cry about it?
if you want it so bad for your phone, learn to port it yourself. until then, since you rely solely on other peoples' hard work and sweat, shut up and be patient.
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Oh snap. That was awesome.
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I might start to look into trying to port it this weekend
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I might start to look into trying to port it this weekend
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Good news man
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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Its turning out to be harder then i though... I think no one will get it until offical updates come out for other phones
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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So EGL = gpu driver? If thats the only setback, would it be possible to get an ICS rom with software rendering as a proof of concept, or are there other pieces missing?
GB/CM7 is pretty good on the Atrix, if we dont see ICS for a few months it doesn't hurt us in any way. I'd like to think most of us can be patient if we lack the skills to help.
I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
According to anandtech, Tegra 2 support is essentially ready, so I think as long as nvidia releases the source for ics (libs?), someone will try to port it. Hell, I have a good 5 weeks during break, I might as well try then.
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Buddy, check out any of the kernels available in the dev thread and you'll see that the GPUs are overclocked.
WiredPirate said:
I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
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Doubt the iPhone will see ICS, the newest model that can run android as far as I know is the iPhone 3G, which was incredibly slow under Gingerbread.
mac208x said:
X10 is garbage! this is outrageous!
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222 posts and zero thanks? Is this what you do, go around XDA and post useless threads like the guy complaining about returning home early despite nobody asking him to "to get MIUI ported on his grandma's phone"?
Are you guys related by any chance?
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Depends on the benchmark, yes - texture-heavy rendering tends to perform better on the 540 in the OMAP4460 thanks to it's dual channel memory controller and high clock (and that's probably the directly relevant part to UI rendering to be honest, though as I said - lower resolution screen ) but the Tegra 2 is quite substantially ahead in geometry-heavy rendering (and games on mobiles are starting to move that way now, following the desktop landscape over the past 5 years or so.) Averaged out, the performance of the two is very close.
Plus, as I said, the GPU in my phone is running at 400MHz which ought to even things out in the GLMark 720p tests somewhat even if they are biassed to one architecture or the other. While the GPU in OMAP4460 may overclock just as well from its stock 400MHz, I'm only really concerned that the phone can run as fast as a stock GNexus to maybe skip the next generation of mobile hardware and tide it over until Cortex A15-based SoCs on 28nm process start to emerge with stronger GPUs. I don't really think I'm CPU performance bound with a 1.4GHz dual-core A9 - and increasing the number of equivalent cores without a really substantial boost in GPU horesepower seems worthless right now, even if ICS takes better advantage of SMP (re: Disappointing early Tegra 3 benchmarks - although it does seem GLMark stacks the odds against NVidia GPUs more than other benchmarks?)
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Depends on the benchmark, yes - texture-heavy rendering tends to perform better on the 540 in the OMAP4460 thanks to it's dual channel memory controller and high clock (and that's probably the directly relevant part to UI rendering to be honest, though as I said - lower resolution screen ) but the Tegra 2 is quite substantially ahead in geometry-heavy rendering (and games on mobiles are starting to move that way now, following the desktop landscape over the past 5 years or so.) Averaged out, the performance of the two is very close.
Plus, as I said, the GPU in my phone is running at 400MHz which ought to even things out in the GLMark 720p tests somewhat even if they are biassed to one architecture or the other. While the GPU in OMAP4460 may overclock just as well from its stock 400MHz, I'm only really concerned that the phone can run as fast as a stock GNexus to maybe skip the next generation of mobile hardware and tide it over until Cortex A15-based SoCs on 28nm process start to emerge with stronger GPUs. I don't really think I'm CPU performance bound with a 1.4GHz dual-core A9 - and increasing the number of equivalent cores without a really substantial boost in GPU horesepower seems worthless right now, even if ICS takes better advantage of SMP (re: Disappointing early Tegra 3 benchmarks - although it does seem GLMark stacks the odds against NVidia GPUs more than other benchmarks?)
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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Don't you get tired if writing those long rants? We understand you know something about CPU architecture, and that Tegra isn't the best one out there, but damn man, it's the same thing in every thread. Just chill out and try to stay on topic for once
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edgeicator said:
I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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I think you are not seeing the whole picture...
The Tegra 3 (Et-Al) is not just about its quad core implementation, remember that the GPU will offer 12 cores that will translate in performance not seeing as of yet on any other platform.
Benchmarks don't tell the whole story! Specially those benchmarking tools which are not Tegra 3 optimized yet.
Cheers!
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I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
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LOL I ran all the iDroid ports on my iphone. Not one was even in alpha stage, I would not even count iDroid as a port since you cant use anything on it.
why cant our dual core 1.5ghz phones even play 1080 flash videos smoothly
hyphydragon said:
why cant our dual core 1.5ghz phones even play 1080 flash videos smoothly
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Technically, Gingerbread does not fully support dual core processors...
hyphydragon said:
why cant our dual core 1.5ghz phones even play 1080 flash videos smoothly
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you mean youtube 1080p or something like that??? good question, guessing our phones don't have the decoders to do that and do not take full advantage of the gpu and cpu. But in any case our screens are not 1080p its not even 720p, it's qhd meaning 1/4 of actual 1080p. so there would be no point anyways..
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Technically, Gingerbread does not fully support dual core processors...
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hmm, I didn't know that, so technically we have a phone that's not using its full potential at the moment, its kinda like when all these dual core computers came out with windows xp, when it wasn't even supported...The players also have to support hardware encoding and there's a lot of other factors..
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you mean youtube 1080p or something like that??? good question, guessing our phones don't have the decoders to do that and do not take full advantage of the gpu and cpu. But in any case our screens are not 1080p its not even 720p, it's qhd meaning 1/4 of actual 1080p. so there would be no point anyways..
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hmm, I didn't know that, so technically we have a phone that's not using its full potential at the moment, its kinda like when all these dual core computers came out with windows xp, when it wasn't even supported...The players also have to support hardware encoding and there's a lot of other factors..
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Pretty much. lol. You can see that multi-core support was added to Honeycomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
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Pretty much. lol. You can see that multi-core support was added to Honeycomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history
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Hah whats funny is that I have a galaxy tab 10.1 and my phone runs videos that the tab can't and a better smoother performance too...lol...it has a lot to do with the player and the decoders as well and how they use the system. samsung is the master of that, they include a lot of good support for video and audio play on their phones...but unfortunately I refuse to upgrade to touchwiz on my tab and rather stay stock honeycomb and just convert videos on my desktop and watch them later on my tab.
i had the sensation before the amaze and it played 1080 perfect with the exact same cpu/soc and less ram and lower clock 1.2ghz, and ill respectfully disagree that playing videos in 1080 doesnt make a difference as it clearly does
720p cant read small text on streams and in 1080 i can read it perfect just its going at 2 fps >,<
btw i had faux kernel on my sensation and i also have it in my amaze
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i had the sensation before the amaze and it played 1080 perfect with the exact same cpu/soc and less ram and lower clock 1.2ghz, and ill respectfully disagree that playing videos in 1080 doesnt make a difference as it clearly does
720p cant read small text on streams and in 1080 i can read it perfect just its going at 2 fps >,<
btw i had faux kernel on my sensation and i also have it in my amaze
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I don't know, maybe its not true 1080p or true 720p, they might have been encoded with loss of quality to save space...ask others see what they think. If you think that's the case download this program it converts all files to other files...and convert the flash videos to mp4 1080p files
http://www.freemake.com/
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I don't know, maybe its not true 1080p or true 720p, they might have been encoded with loss of quality to save space...ask others see what they think. If you think that's the case download this program it converts all files to other files...and convert the flash videos to mp4 1080p files
http://www.freemake.com/
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thank you for being so helpful but the video i m referring to is on live streams like on twitch.tv justin.tv or own3d.tv
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thank you for being so helpful but the video i m referring to is on live streams like on twitch.tv justin.tv or own3d.tv
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make sure to have adobe flashplayer installed
Felinos11 said:
make sure to have adobe flashplayer installed
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also make sure you're getting decent reception wifi preferably, so the data can come in clearly and not choppy. what is it that you're trying to watch I'll try it on my phone and see if I have the same problem then try my gf sensation and see if I see a difference... unless its something inappropriate lol
I imagine ics has dual core support right? I mean, its built on honeycomb, hopefully well have hd on YouTube lol
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I know its a Andreno 220 but how does it fair with something found in Nexus, S2, Tegra 2?
better then Nexus S/ Galaxy S but bit lower then ATT Galaxy S2 and iphone 4S
Take a look at this review
It's a decent gpu except battery consumption and heat problem
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Take a look at this review
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Where is the link?
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Where is the link?
Sent From My HTC Amaze
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Oh shoot. I'm really sorry. Forgot about link.
http://alturl.com/qr6jh
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I know its a Andreno 220 but how does it fair with something found in Nexus, S2, Tegra 2?
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yes every phone is geared towards something, I believe the amaze is geared towards best picture taking. SGSII seems more of a gaming device to me. although I must say I feel like the CPU on this device makes up for the galaxy tab 10.1 that I have with tegra 2. My videos are much smoother on my phone especially if I overclock, but I rarely watch videos on such a small screen I rather use my tablet. decoders are also a big part of watching movies. right now all the phones I have seen are not able to decode MKV files very well, since MKV is actually a bin that can contain many file formats such MP4 AVI, with the advantage of high quality, soft encoded subtitles and much more verstatile..I have yet to see a good player that plays MKV files smoothly on android!! GPU is more for gaming and can to a great extend be compensated by the CPU, once we get dual core support with ICS you won't have any problems playing games, not that you should have any right now!!! there's also a rom out that supports dual core cpu, you might want to check that out, if you're looking for a good gaming experience.
I could be wrong but I think the tmobile SGSII also uses andreno 220 no?
Adreno 220 outperforms Tegra 2 in Anandtech benchmarks: http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218757
hope this is not too much info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg lol
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hope this is not too much info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg lol
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Haha
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Yes I was right, the tmobile SGSII runs the same snapdragon processor as the amaze since they needed it for the 42mbps 4g speeds speeds: thus it runs the same gpu as ours...the other SGSII's from Att, verizon, and sprint run the exynos processor which has a better gpu. Right now at T-mobile this is the best you can get
exynos gpu is quadcore but wastes more battery obviously
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1277987
more info, snapdragon processor runs 720 an1080p videos better than the exynos, processor according to wikipedia!!
This makes me feel a bit better. My Cousins LG 2X was getting higher score based on him then my AMAZE despite me having more RAM and faster CPU in Quadrant. Stock i score ~ 2.8K and with Custom ROM ~ 3.1K
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This makes me feel a bit better. My Cousins LG 2X was getting higher score based on him then my AMAZE despite me having more RAM and faster CPU in Quadrant. Stock i score ~ 2.8K and with Custom ROM ~ 3.1K
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Those scores mean nothing!!! ask the more experienced people!
holy crap those benchmark results on the exynos thread were ridiculous. I honesly dont care though, my sensation handled eternal legacy and dead space perfect so im not worried. i would rather have a better camera then gpu on a phone, since i game on my laptop and if i wanted mobile gaming id get the playstation vita which i probably am lol
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holy crap those benchmark results on the exynos thread were ridiculous. I honesly dont care though, my sensation handled eternal legacy and dead space perfect so im not worried. i would rather have a better camera then gpu on a phone, since i game on my laptop and if i wanted mobile gaming id get the playstation vita which i probably am lol
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exactly what I said about mobile gaming , psp gives you a much better mobile gaming experience, but having a great camera on a phone you can save money on a point and shoot for the most part, especially with our camera.
seansk said:
exactly what I said about mobile gaming , psp gives you a much better mobile gaming experience, but having a great camera on a phone you can save money on a point and shoot for the most part, especially with our camera.
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agreed! the vita has crap cameras but ps3 graphics, im sold aha. i liked my sensation camera so i know i will love the Amaze camera. I was supposed to get my Amaze today but it snowed and UPS rescheduled the date
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I have yet to see a good player that plays MKV files smoothly on android!!
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mx video player has dual core support, a little off topic but it works wonders on even the larger mkv files (~10gb) and has hi10p support now..
F033x said:
mx video player has dual core support, a little off topic but it works wonders on even the larger mkv files (~10gb) and has hi10p support now..
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tried it, still choppy!!! depends how the video was also encoded. I usually get very high compressed mkv's
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stratax said:
agreed! the vita has crap cameras but ps3 graphics, im sold aha. i liked my sensation camera so i know i will love the Amaze camera. I was supposed to get my Amaze today but it snowed and UPS rescheduled the date
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haha, if you like your sensation's camera, Amaze will blow it out of the water...it f/2.2 so takes very macro shots, 28mm which gives you a really side field compared to any phone camera you use today (basically you don't have to move back to get someone entirely in the picture) and backside illuminated for low light conditions... my gf has the sensation, I've tested them with the same conditions. There's no comparison, for the photo enthusiast this is it.
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tried it, still choppy!!! depends how the video was also encoded. I usually get very high compressed mkv's
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hummm..
are you on a stock rom?
because ive tested multiple mkv's (from 170mb to over 10gb) even those at hi10p bitrates, and they run flawlessly on mx.
our adreno 220 is beast imho, coming from the 205 i have noticed a huge difference in the capacity of gaming (sans gta3).
i just wish that the hardware recognized video formats like mkv, ogm and mt2s as native..
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haha, if you like your sensation's camera, Amaze will blow it out of the water...it f/2.2 so takes very macro shots, 28mm which gives you a really side field compared to any phone camera you use today (basically you don't have to move back to get someone entirely in the picture) and backside illuminated for low light conditions... my gf has the sensation, I've tested them with the same conditions. There's no comparison, for the photo enthusiast this is it.
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That's great news ive done some research on it when i was about the get the Radar but ended up with the Sensation. but not getting the Amaze, pretty excited since i love taking pictures and all.
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hummm..
are you on a stock rom?
because ive tested multiple mkv's (from 170mb to over 10gb) even those at hi10p bitrates, and they run flawlessly on mx.
our adreno 220 is beast imho, coming from the 205 i have noticed a huge difference in the capacity of gaming (sans gta3).
i just wish that the hardware recognized video formats like mkv, ogm and mt2s as native..
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oh i'm sorry I havn't tried in on my phone yet, maybe I should, I usually don't like watching video's on my phone, I was referring to my galaxy tab 10.1, with tegra 2, and I don't know how the glaxay tab is formatted but will not let me put more than a 4 gig file on it , I havn't been tweaking my tab as much as my phone lol
Notice how the nexus 5 lags whilst the galaxy s3 and nexus 10 are smooth?
Nexus 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMnXO8cMgY
Galaxy s3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVD0zHygm4
Nexus 10- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTcbt4sHps
Could this be because the snapdragon is crap or because of optimization?
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
abhibnl said:
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
Wow
The fact that the nexus 10 can run that game at that crazy resolution is pretty impressive
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
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Well we'll hope for the best, these new drivers does work though. Graphics performance is kinda better now
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
yeah it snapdragon 2.3ghz to keep up with the 1.9ghz of exynos
Hey there,bull,calm down. S3 doesn't suck. I use it every day heavily and multitasking,RAM management are amazing. Yeah,I agree,S3 lags in all of new games,but there's a reason. Know it? Because it's old already. Soon 2 years will pass since S3 was released and of course new games will lag on such an old device.
So again,calm down there.
Someone needs to chill
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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Don't be an idiot. The Exynos on the S3 is far superior to the Qualcomm version. The Exynos version had a quad-core CPU vs. dual-core for the Qualcomm version. That's what the OP is talking about and you just sound like an immature little teenager.
On the S4, it's a different story because Samsung's big.LITTLE was poorly implemented on the Exynos. However, on the new Galaxy Note 3, Exynos is just as good, if not better than the Qualcomm 800. And when Samsung updates the chipset with octa-core capability, it has the potential to surpass the competition significantly.
As for your idiotic argument of popularity, Samsung decides which regions will receive Exynos chips based on LTE availability and Qualcomm's licensing restrictions. It's not based on popularity, it's based on patents and licensing costs.
I don't have any lag on my S3 and I happen to like comparisons of different chipsets, even from YouTube. You aren't qualified to speak on everyone's behalf and I appreciate this thread which asks a perfectly fine question.
I think mali and snapdragon are sort of budget type processors whereas qualcomm and exynos(some models) are the higher end of things
Mali=Exynos
Snapdragon=Qualcomm
jinosong said:
Mali=Exynos
Snapdragon=Qualcomm
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU. The Exynos version of the S4 didn't have a Mali GPU, it had a PowerVR one.
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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Yes but you made the wrongful assumption that mali is something that just goes with exynos. Exynos is made by Samsung while Mali is made by ARM and not even by Samsung at all
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
Theshawty said:
What?
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
Iqbal Ansari said:
I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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He's talking absolute truth,which people don't want to believe to.
AssassinGEO said:
Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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*sigh*
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*sigh*
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What's up? Maybe I misunderstood something? English isn't my native language,my apologies.