So i installed my skinomi screen protector since my other one was scratched and got water under the screen somehow.. Thought it would dry up but it's pretty bad and it's been 24 hours now.. Also there seems to be something wrong and the bottom right of the screen has brighter light coming through in lines. What do i need to replace if i ever choose to get a new screen, a digitizer? I'm not sure what to buy to fix this and any suggestions on where to get a good one. I know the ones on ebay are cheap but i'm afraid they might be bad or something. Any help would be great as this could have been avoided if i didn't use too much solution. Only if i could go back in time....
Try using a blow dryer on low heat near the screen.
I did that, i think i did everything possible. The grey spots probably don't worry me as much because i have a feeling they'll dry out but what's worrying me is the screen seemed to have white lines that are getting bigger and spreading a bit. It's not completely white but it's a lot brighter than other areas. I had to bite the bullet today and use it because of emergency or else i would have let it dry for a few days. I'll take a picture tomorrow afternoon to show what it looks like.
If someone can help i'm planning to open it up and try to clean the screen but if it doesn't get cleaned all the way what would i need to buy to replace it, the LCD screen or a digitizer? I was thinking the LCD because the digitizer is mostly just a glass screen that usually doesn't need replacing unless it's cracked right?
Right, but there's a pretty decent chance you'll crack the digitizer when removing it from the LCD, so you may as well order the complete assembly...should be around $45.
Well i forgot to take a picture today but i'll take one tomorrow of the before and after. I'm receiving my pry and screwdriver set tomorrow and i'll try to clean it before trying to replace this. I'll report how it goes.
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Well i forgot to take a picture today but i'll take one tomorrow of the before and after. I'm receiving my pry and screwdriver set tomorrow and i'll try to clean it before trying to replace this. I'll report how it goes.
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You'll have to be very careful. I was and I still screwed the digitizer trying to clean out some water I had under mine. I ended up having to order a new lcd+digitizer combo.
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You'll have to be very careful. I was and I still screwed the digitizer trying to clean out some water I had under mine. I ended up having to order a new lcd+digitizer combo.
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Yea i did it and was very careful, it wasn't perfect but i didn't crack it or anything, just a little part on the corner that seemed to peel the adhesive off from the digitizer so it looks a bit ugly there. The LCD is completely clean and i cleaned under the digitizer and turned the phone back on but unfortunately it wasn't water in between the digitizer and LCD, the water seemed to be in the LCD so i just went ahead and ordered a new digitizer + LCD combo so they'll be easier to install as a whole than separate.
Apart from all that the screen seemed to have gotten more grey covered on it. I'm not sure if the grey spots are the water marks or the brighter spots because as time passes there are more grey spots covering the screen. Not like it matters anymore.
Also i bought the digitizer + LCD from ebay from hong kong cause it's the cheapest and i feel as if they're manufactured there anyways so there shouldn't be a problem in quality?
Sucks that it had to end up like this, i've never had problems installing wet protectors but i think i'm staying far away from them now...
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my baclstone started acting funny with screen alignment getting messed up a we times by itself and than it completely stopped responding...
even the touch sensitive hardware buttons donot work no more...i have hard reset many times did task 29. i have changed different roms and went back to stock rom but screen doesnt respond at all... not even the backlight turn on to full brightness when screen is tapped?
anyone have any idea whats broken lcd or digitizer or both... or maybe something else.... and there is no official htc repair shop so i probably gotta fix it on my own
Probably digitizer is broken, if you see no cracks on lcd(blurry, black areas) then replace only digitizer.
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Probably digitizer is broken, if you see no cracks on lcd(blurry, black areas) then replace only digitizer.
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yes no cracks or blurry or black areas.... just tht screen is not responding to touch at all....
and i have to send it for repair and wait 2 weeks for it... thanks alot
I've got exactly the same problem, can you let me know how you get on please. Where can you buy a digitizer from, are they easy to fix?!?
You might want to know... if you are trying to just replace the digitizer you will most probably damage the LCD. I just opened mine today, the digitizer is glued to the LCD, it is hard (or impossible) to split them apart because the LCD is made of multiple layers that can break apart very easy (then is done).
Even if you can take them apart you need to glue the new digitizer to the LCD and then again the digitizer to the case, most probably your new digitizer will come with no adhesive
// I should have bought digitizer+LCD from the start.
I faced a similar situation last month. The screen calibration was a problem and later.. performed a hard reset. It actually starting working fine, but only for a couple of days. I was not able to allign the screen after reset. I enquired with the HTC US customer care.. they offered to repair the digittizer for about $335( very expensive!! i know). Later, on a trip to India, I got it fixed in bangalore for Rs.7089/-( digitizer+LCD cost) + Rs.411/-(service charges). The service advisor told me that even though the LCD is fine, they could not peel the digitizer as its a complex layered stuff. So, eventually had to replace both. Its back to normal now. Cheers!!
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You might want to know... if you are trying to just replace the digitizer you will most probably damage the LCD. I just opened mine today, the digitizer is glued to the LCD, it is hard (or impossible) to split them apart because the LCD is made of multiple layers that can break apart very easy (then is done).
Even if you can take them apart you need to glue the new digitizer to the LCD and then again the digitizer to the case, most probably your new digitizer will come with no adhesive
// I should have bought digitizer+LCD from the start.
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Actually, you need to glue just the digitizer to the case. I changed mine yesterday, just digitizer, and without damaging the LCD, so it is possible :] My old digitizer was cracked though, but I would say it was even harder because of that.
What I was going to say is, that fortunately I was able to reuse the double sided tape which glues digitizer to the housing. But after few such repairs it probably won't be possible. So buying the LCD + digitizer combo will be necessary eventually :/
When I replaced mine, after I seen how it is inside I decided to buy digitizer+LCD in one pack. It was 60 GBP on eBay and looks like the original.
The only problem was the glue, I used 3M double sided tape 2mm which needed to be cut in most areas but screen is not held properly this way. I might have to open it again, otherwise is all good, image quality and all.
Maybe best solution is to first try to take apart digitizer from lcd and THEN decide what to order, if it goes well get only digitizer, otherwise if you damaged the LCD get both of them sealed, getting both has another advantage, they are already sealed and there is no chance to have dust on your screen.
How did you use the tape?
Okay so I am sharing my experience for everyone. I had recently broken my screen, and I needed to replace the screen. I bought a screen digitizer off of eBay, and....Destroyed the phone sub frame. The reason I am posting is because I am warning all of you, you need to buy a full display assembly online. This includes the whole new display( glass and LCD) wires and bits, and a full subframe. Unless you are superior to an Asian 12 year old working in the factory that made your phone (hint hint, wink wink, you're not) than you need to buy a full assembly, or end up like me an destroy your phone.
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+1.
Unfortunately, I saw this post after doing damage to my phone. The plastic housing that the digitizer /lcd sits in is verrrryyy easy to damage around the edges when you try to separate the screen. Heating it with the heat gun to get the separation actually makes it even more fragile and prone to damage. Thankfully I was able to return digitizer/lcd and get full setup from here :
http://www.etradesupply.com/oem-htc-evo-4g-lte-lcd-screen-and-digitizer-assembly-with-front-housing-and-light-guide.html
Hopefully things will go a little better this time.
Wow, that includes the plastic frame? I replaced my screen a couple of weeks ago (glass and LCD), and the edges of the frame did get slightly chewed up. It's not too bad, but I wish I had known abut this item.
On a positive note, I suppose I can get a job in China when the economy completely collapses.
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Ya my screen got waterlogged after I got trashed and left it out in the rain. Let everything dry out and thankfully all the boards and connectors work. I ended up going the cheap route and just buying a screen and not the frame. I almost successfully got the thing apart. I do have a small chip in the frame on the left side but my case covers that. I only paid around $50 but I did give myself around $50 in headaches. Definitely spend the extra $50 and just get the whole package.
If you do decide to try and separate the screen from the frame, use a lot of heat. Not necessarily high heat, but for a good duration. Get the adhesive nice and warm. Then pry it loose through one of the holes in the housing/frame (go at it from the back) and slowly work it away from the frame. Once you get it off, heat the adhesive back up and then add some 5 minute quick epoxy to the black adhesive pads in the frame. Then use some clamps and let the epoxy cure. There is a great video I followed below. It took me a while and I will probably ride with this for a minute until it bothers the hell out of me. My gf said she can't even notice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae52Ug8vFwA
case screen cover plastic sheet work?
I'm just wondering how many naked phones get broke compared to well protected?
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I'm just wondering how many naked phones get broke compared to well protected?
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I have a Incipio NGP case on mine all the time and I always have a screen protector installed (usually the cheap ones from Amazon). I have never had a problem with the screen until I left my phone out in the rain. The Gorilla Glass II is decently strong but only to a certain extent. I mainly use the screen protector from scratches if I accidentally put it in the same pocket as my keys.
I was afraid of breaking mine one day, fortunately for me my volume button went out first and I have Best Buys insurance and the replace the phone with no deductible.
Seems like screen issues are pretty common on this model. I'm on my 4th Evo now because the screen kept failing on me. Based on what I read it sounds like I'd never want to have to replace this myself.
I got my pebble blue GS3 a week ago. It was used, but in pristine condition, with a scratch-less back and front. Since day one, I've been using a rubber back protector for the phone, which covers the back as well as the sides completely.
Today, I dropped my phone from pocket height on the floor, and picking it up I didn't notice any scratches or cracks and the phone worked perfectly fine. The phone was in the back protector as always, so I didnt think any thing of it and put it back in my pocket.
A few hours later, sitting on my laptop, I picked up my phone to make a call and noticed the golden colored discoloration in the bottom right corner of the phone (see attached pictures). I assume this was the corner on which the phone was dropped.
The discoloration appear to be air bubbles, stuck inside the screen. When I press the corner of the bubble, it shifts slightly and changes shape as air bubbles under screen protectors do. When I press it really hard, the golden starts disappearing and becomes blue just like the rest of the phone. The screen and touch works completely perfectly, and there is absolutely no difference in the quality of the AMOLED. From this, I assumed that the digitizer is fine, but I cant for the life of me figure out how these bubbles formed and why they wont go away
I searched for hours, but couldn't find a single post with the same problem. I would love to hear some ideas to try and get rid of this discoloration. I've barely had this phone for a week, and seeing it ruined already makes me sad
If it cant be fixed, I guess the final solution would be to get the front glass replaced. But before that, I would like to try any and all suggestions that you guys might want to throw my way
The glass is glued to the digitizer whit some sort of gel.
Your glass has come off the digitizer and form air bubbles.
The only way to restore it is change the glass and digitizer.
Maybe a really tight case can solve it when it pushes the glass to the digitizer.
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The glass is glued to the digitizer whit some sort of gel.
Your glass has come off the digitizer and form air bubbles.
The only way to restore it is change the glass and digitizer.
Maybe a really tight case can solve it when it pushes the glass to the digitizer.
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I was planning on getting a heat gun somehow, and heat the corner at 180F. It is said its the temperature at which the gel between the front glass and the digtizer melts or something, and becomes easy to seperate.
Do you think this would work? There is just a golden colored bubble, and it isnt affecting the working of the digitizer in any way. It is just next to the back button, and the button works absolutely perfectly.
Still waiting for any more suggestions on how to fix this Would also appreciate if someone could link me to someone with the same problem as this. I swear I've searched for hours and didnt find anything.. I can't be the only one in the world
The golden color is the top film from the digitizer.
So I don't think a heat gun is doing the job.
You can try but be very careful not to damage it more.
Wish you good luck.
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Still waiting for any more suggestions on how to fix this Would also appreciate if someone could link me to someone with the same problem as this. I swear I've searched for hours and didnt find anything.. I can't be the only one in the world
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You are not alone. My S4 have the same issue, and the screen bezel is thiner than the S3... Started a couple weeks ago just after a visit to the carrier tech support, was there for unknow poor signal issue, solved by a SIM replacement and reprogramming. I know they dropped on the floor or on a work table/desk it as is "naked" without the protective case... Came back after a couple of days when I noticed the "stain" on right bottom corner and they said they handle the devices careful also have rubber pads on floor and tables to protect in the event of an "accidental drop"... So they will not replace for free, only via insurance and I have to pay a difference $$$
Anyhow, after that I dropped it so bad on rough concret right on that corner, protective case do they work but I think that corner took a good shock... I do massage the spot and it gone away for a couple of days then come back. I don't k know if temperature changes affect as it could be moisture from condesation penetrating the thin edge between bezel and screen...
I will try different cases to see if it can mask the damage until I can afford the insurance diference $ then will replace or maybe upgrade my phone...
Hi,
I have a Z2 with a shattered front screen w/o touch working, and I'm thinking about replacing it myself, since I already got a new phone, and the old one will just lay unused untill it's throwed away. Therefore, I won't spend a lot of money on a repair when I can manage to do it my self. If was just wondering if this would be enough to replace the LCD and touch? I've watched a few tutorials on YouTube, and it seems to be enough, just wat to be sure before ordering anything.
Also, will a hairdryer be enough to remove back/screen? Or do I need a heatgun?
-Skanin
I have had a Ghost touch issue so I had to change the Digitizer. Yes, its easy to replace the touch screen by urself. I dint use any hair dryer or heat gun bt yes hair dryer will do the work. Go for it. Its a great deal. I got it very costly in India Rs. 4800 which is near to $75.
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I have had a Ghost touch issue so I had to change the Digitizer. Yes, its easy to replace the touch screen by urself. I dint use any hair dryer or heat gun bt yes hair dryer will do the work. Go for it. Its a great deal. I got it very costly in India Rs. 4800 which is near to $75.
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Thanks! I bought the screen and got it this Monday! Successfully replaced the screen today, but with three minor flaws. When I removed the back cover, I wasn't prepared for the battery to be stuck in it, so I used force and a little metal piece broke, I think is was a protector of some sort. The second flaw was the "glue" for the screen. I was a little unprecise, so some of the "glue" is visable outside the screen. Thirdly I forgot to place back the "batteryholder" the black thing that was around the battery before I put the backcover back on.
The phone and screen works, for now at least! I did this mostly for fun, so I won't be disappointed if it suddenly stops working
Thanks again!
Here I have attached picture of the failed glue and the metal thing that broke, and the thing I forgot to place before I put the backcover back on
I've just dropped my three month old Honor 7 and the screen is cracked from the bottom right corner. I bought it new from Amazon UK (sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.), it wasn't through Vmall. Is the screen covered under any form of warranty? If not, where's the cheapest place to get it fixed in the UK?
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I've just dropped my three month old Honor 7 and the screen is cracked from the bottom right corner. I bought it new from Amazon UK (sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.), it wasn't through Vmall. Is the screen covered under any form of warranty? If not, where's the cheapest place to get it fixed in the UK?
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I think the screen is guaranteed against manufacturing faults, but not the glass against accidental damage.
When I trod on mine in the back of a car, I called Hihonor support and they quoted me £70-80 + £15 inspection and postage charge, which I thought was reasonable, however when calling their repair centre to book mine in they laughed and said it would be at least £130 for Honor 7 screen replacement - they can't do just the glass as it's all bonded to the digitiser and screen.
I decided to buy a new screen (with glass, digitiser and interior frame attached) from eBay for about £40 and fitted it myself. Not as easy as the videos on youtube make it look - it is very difficult to get apart for a start, then the battery is hard to remove. Also, various parts (including all the buttons, vibration motor etc have to be heated with a hairdryer to separate them from the old screen frame and re-installed into the new frame.
Luckily mine is working perfectly now, although I think the screen may not be quite as bright as the original one was.
I wouldn't try to buy just the glass, or even the glass and screen (without the frame) - you'll never get it to look as good as new.
Good luck and let us know how you get on with having it repaired or doing it yourself.
You can PM me if you need any advice
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I think the screen is guaranteed against manufacturing faults, but not the glass against accidental damage.
When I trod on mine in the back of a car, I called Hihonor support and they quoted me £70-80 + £15 inspection and postage charge, which I thought was reasonable, however when calling their repair centre to book mine in they laughed and said it would be at least £130 for Honor 7 screen replacement - they can't do just the glass as it's all bonded to the digitiser and screen.
I decided to buy a new screen (with glass, digitiser and interior frame attached) from eBay for about £40 and fitted it myself. Not as easy as the videos on youtube make it look - it is very difficult to get apart for a start, then the battery is hard to remove. Also, various parts (including all the buttons, vibration motor etc have to be heated with a hairdryer to separate them from the old screen frame and re-installed into the new frame.
Luckily mine is working perfectly now, although I think the screen may not be quite as bright as the original one was.
I wouldn't try to buy just the glass, or even the glass and screen (without the frame) - you'll never get it to look as good as new.
Good luck and let us know how you get on with having it repaired or doing it yourself.
You can PM me if you need any advice
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Thanks dude, much appreciated. I was into it until you started mentioning removing parts by heating them up then thought I'll leave it to the experts. :laugh: Honor UK have quoted me £80 as it's a pretty clean break so I'm going to give them a go and see what they say. If they do the same as they did for you, which they said they wouldn't!, then I'll go with that. Will let you know.
I'm surprised their aren't more threads on hear about replacing screens because this phone does feel fragile despite being reasonably weighty so I'd have thought there'd be loads of cracked screens out there. I dropped my old S5 a couple of times from higher up and the screen survived both times. Am now thinking a tempered glass protector might be in order for the 7 :fingers-crossed:
Mine had a glass protector, but I guess they don't cope with treading on! I've put one on the new screen too.
I also have an S-line gel case which acts as a bit of a buffer against drops.
Let us know if you get yours done for £80
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Mine had a glass protector, but I guess they don't cope with treading on! I've put one on the new screen too.
I also have an S-line gel case which acts as a bit of a buffer against drops.
Let us know if you get yours done for £80
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After reading reviews of the official Honor repair company, SBE Limited, and how they appear to be happy to scam people I thought I'd have a go myself. So I bought a replacement front glass and thought I'd give it a go.
Dissembling the phone is really easy, once you've got the hang of the clips holding the back on, and taking it all apart was easy. What wasn't so easy (read nigh-on impossible) is separating the front glass from the digitiser. I tried and tried and in the end the touch screen just split into a number of layers so I'll need to order the complete screen assembly. My concern is you mentioned you bought one off ebay and it wasn't as bright as the original. From this I'm guessing it wasn't an original screen? I'd like to get an original if I can. Do you have a link to the one you bought? How long did it take coming from China?
Don't know if this is relevant but under the hicare app it allows you to price up replacement parts. Could not find any mention of the Honor 7 but it did list the Honor 5X as £35 so might be worth trying this way to see if they do have the Honor 7.
I got mine from eBay seller called bestsellstuff.
£35.27 at the moment and mine came quicker than expected with 2nd class delivery free.
I don't think any of the eBay sellers will say they are genuine screens, but I think they probably all are - I can't imagine they would be cheap to replicate. Maybe they are seconds or find their way out of the factory somehow....
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Don't know if this is relevant but under the hicare app it allows you to price up replacement parts. Could not find any mention of the Honor 7 but it did list the Honor 5X as £35 so might be worth trying this way to see if they do have the Honor 7.
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Thanks for the nod. Tried it but no joy. For some reason they don't support the Honor 7. Very Huawei tbh, they're left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. A bit all over the place.
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I got mine from eBay seller called bestsellstuff.
£35.27 at the moment and mine came quicker than expected with 2nd class delivery free.
I don't think any of the eBay sellers will say they are genuine screens, but I think they probably all are - I can't imagine they would be cheap to replicate. Maybe they are seconds or find their way out of the factory somehow....
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Great stuff, have just ordered the last one they had in stock in they're in France also, so should be quicker than coming from Hong Kong. Funny thing is I hadn't seen their add before, it hadn't come up with my ebay search for 'Honor 7 replacement screen'. Without having the name I'd not have found it and paid more so thanks again! :good:
Here are a few tips for when it arrives:
Don't peel off any of the blue plastic film until you're ready to do each part - it's very sticky underneath.
Take photos as you go along incase you need to go back a astep.
I'm not sure if you got to the stage of removing the battery before - it is stuck down very strongly. I just gradually prised mine out, but you might find heating it a bit will release it easier. There aren't any cables underneath it (as some other Honors have).
When heating (with a hairdryer) the small bits of circuit board and components that need to be transferred to the new frame, only do it for long enough to get them to peel off (I used tweezers to do this).
When you come to install each part, there are very small bumps in the frame that you need to line up the equally small holes on the part - makes positioning them easy! Then use a plastic tool to press them firmly onto the frame.
When you come to put everything back, make sure that the very small narrow ribbon cable that goes under the tiny flip-up bracket (the connection to the smart key) goes in fully until it stops. I didn't put mine in completely and the smart key wouldn't work until I re-did it properly.
You may notice that there is a square-ish hole and some slots in the frame (under where the battery goes?) on the new frame which aren't on the old one. If so, you might want to cover them up with some black gaffa tape or thin card - I suspect they are the cause of some light areas at the very sides of my screen, but I don't want to strip mine down again.
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Here are a few tips for when it arrives:
Don't peel off any of the blue plastic film until you're ready to do each part - it's very sticky underneath.
Take photos as you go along incase you need to go back a astep.
I'm not sure if you got to the stage of removing the battery before - it is stuck down very strongly. I just gradually prised mine out, but you might find heating it a bit will release it easier. There aren't any cables underneath it (as some other Honors have).
When heating (with a hairdryer) the small bits of circuit board and components that need to be transferred to the new frame, only do it for long enough to get them to peel off (I used tweezers to do this).
When you come to install each part, there are very small bumps in the frame that you need to line up the equally small holes on the part - makes positioning them easy! Then use a plastic tool to press them firmly onto the frame.
When you come to put everything back, make sure that the very small narrow ribbon cable that goes under the tiny flip-up bracket (the connection to the smart key) goes in fully until it stops. I didn't put mine in completely and the smart key wouldn't work until I re-did it properly.
You may notice that there is a square-ish hole and some slots in the frame (under where the battery goes?) on the new frame which aren't on the old one. If so, you might want to cover them up with some black gaffa tape or thin card - I suspect they are the cause of some light areas at the very sides of my screen, but I don't want to strip mine down again.
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Great tips, thanks again. I'll be sorting it as soon as it arrives. Will report on how I get on.
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Here are a few tips for when it arrives:
Don't peel off any of the blue plastic film until you're ready to do each part - it's very sticky underneath.......
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Sorted!! Thanks for the advice, was really useful. Took it all on board, took my time (about 1hr) and fitted the new screen. Clipped it all back together and worked perfect first time. £35 to get your screen fixed, amazing. I'll always fix a cracked screen from now on, these repair companies are just profiteering.
Thanks again.
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Sorted!! Thanks for the advice, was really useful. Took it all on board, took my time (about 1hr) and fitted the new screen. Clipped it all back together and worked perfect first time. £35 to get your screen fixed, amazing. I'll always fix a cracked screen from now on, these repair companies are just profiteering.
Thanks again.
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Great news!!
Did you have to cover the square hole and slot to stop light leakage?
Also, is there any light bleeding at the sides and is there any difference in brightness from the original screen?
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Great news!!
Did you have to cover the square hole and slot to stop light leakage?
Also, is there any light bleeding at the sides and is there any difference in brightness from the original screen?
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The screen and housing isn't original Huawei, it's a pattern unit but tbh it looks totally identical in use, no less dim than the original screen. There's also no bleed at all. There weren't any hollows and slots to fill with card under the battery. The only hollow was at the base of the battery as it sat slightly higher up (towards the top of the phone when laid flat) in the casing so I filled that with folded card.
The only slight issue is that the screen shape (rounded corners of the glass) when looking at the phone from the front doesn't fit into the corners of the casing absolutely perfectly. Tbh only a phone nut would notice it, wouldn't be an issue to anyone else.