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Alright so Now that is appears as though the EVO 3D will never attain full Root lets see how big of a deal this really is.
I haven't made up my mind yet...however I am seriously considering it.
The phone in itself is still bad ass and i am pretty sure you can still gain Root and do some minor modifications.
However, the fact that you can not fully customize and flash roms and kernels that fit you the best is a big turn off.
HTC just turned into Apple with the elitist take it or leave it attitude in my opinion.
Not me its the future for most phones i'm not going to stay with an evo forever because of it. Besides eventually someone will figure a way around it if not with the 3d with something else. Look at the ps3 uncrackable supposedly and the xbox 360, psp and so on and so on where there is a will there is a way.
It saddens me that I won't be able to mod my device that I paid for, but I'll still get it, it think. Maybe I'll wait for it to release then get a 4g, instead. We'll see.
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I got a Nexus S 4G off contract just because a Nexus is always worth owning. I was able to attain my upgrade again and was ready to pull the trigger on the 3D and alternate until I found a preference, if ever. Now? Not a chance. Will stick to the Nexus and use my upgrade on either the next Nexus or a next gen WP 7.1 in the fall.
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I'm getting it day one.
Tapa tapa tapa
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Not me its the future for most phones i'm not going to stay with an evo forever because of it. Besides eventually someone will figure a what around it if not with the 3d with something else. Look at the ps3 uncrackable supposedly and the xbox 360, psp and so on and so on where there is a will there is a way.
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Be careful on what you say. That can give false hope and I hate to see people buy this phone expecting that someone will get on it and find themselves like other phone users.....sitting with the exact same phone they bought a year later.
Samsung Galaxy S 2, here I come! Unfortunately, I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while.
I will shed a tear for the EVO 3D on release day, mainly because I wanted the hardware improvements. But I'm not going to put myself in the same boat as the Droid 2 and Droid X which still have no root!
I still plan on getting it day 1 as well, I'm not really sure why so many people think Samsung is the magical catalyst in the equation to stop buying HTC products.
The Galaxy S looked great from afar, and that's pretty much all that it did. What makes anyone think Samsung suddenly got their act together and will be releasing timely, seamless updates for GSII? I'm confused...not to mention all the countless other flaws it has.
I'd much rather own a locked HTC phone than deal with the garbage that came from all angles of the current Galaxy S line.
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I'm still going to get it. I like sprints service and samsung has to prove that they can keep phones up to date. Plus, sprint does not get a whole lot of new phones like the other companies.
My game plan had changed, however. Before this news, I was going to use my upgrade and then trade in my evo. Now, I'll just buy the phone retail, save my evo and upgrade discount. That way, should something better come during quarter four, I have discount options, plus to the ability to sell the 3d and my evo.
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I'm still going to get it. I like sprints service and samsung has to prove that they can keep phones up to date. Plus, sprint does not get a whole lot of new phones like the other companies.
My game plan had changed, however. Before this news, I was going to use my upgrade and then trade in my evo. Now, I'll just buy the phone retail, save my evo and upgrade discount. That way, should something better come during quarter four, I have discount options, plus to the ability to sell the 3d and my evo.
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If you have a discount available but won't use it now for the 3d but use the discount down the line, why not save the money now and pay full retail on something else down the line. What if down the line you decide to keep your 3d and not buy something else.
If you are willing to pay full price for a device, might as well keep your money now and in your pocket instead of Sprints. Don't see your angle on this one.
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The Galaxy S looked great from afar, and that's pretty much all that it did. What makes anyone think Samsung suddenly got their act together and will be releasing timely, seamless updates for GSII? I'm confused...not to mention all the countless other flaws it has.
I'd much rather own a locked HTC phone than deal with the garbage that came from all angles of the current Galaxy S line.
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my thoughts exactly.
I don't know yet. I never really used the Root feature on my Hero, just for the occasional new look every few months. Not too sure that no root will be that big a deal for me. As long as its fast(er than my hero) and works for texting like it should, I'll survive.
Wouldnt matter to me i find all the customize apps on the market already matching my needs. I will probaby worry if i cant upgrade to the next firmware of 2012
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If...cracking it seems a nogo....it'll bring a sweet craigslist price..
Still buying it launch day....wife is always on my ass about flashing new roms anyway...... I will miss custom kernels though
At least I can still play with her Evo
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antjc80 said:
Still buying it launch day....wife is always on my ass about flashing new roms anyway...... I will miss custom kernels though
At least I can still play with her Evo
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+1 on being harassed by the Mrs. for spending too much time on my phone---especially when I am in recovery/rebooting when she is trying to get a hold of me.
Coming from a Hero on launch day, I am due for some new hardware. Since I am a Sprint Premier customer, I can certainly live with it for a year (assuming it makes it past the 30 day return period). I still plan to get one on launch day and shortly thereafter, be able to install SU and my rooted apps.
thetaman said:
Samsung Galaxy S 2, here I come! Unfortunately, I have a feeling I'll be waiting a while.
I will shed a tear for the EVO 3D on release day, mainly because I wanted the hardware improvements. But I'm not going to put myself in the same boat as the Droid 2 and Droid X which still have no root!
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My cousin got a droid 2 and he's rooted via Z4root. There's just not any ROMs or Kernels/Themes you can flash over it.
as long as it has a partial root so I can use wifi tether like the original unrevoked I'll be a happy camper, though I would love a myn rom on my evo 3d if thats not possible I still wanna use my rooted apps!
The price will deter me more than the fact that it's locked up. If it releases at $300 then I'll spend another $100 and get the Asus transformer and keep my Hero for another year.
Honestly... I was a little worried about 3D support with custom ROMs anyway. I'm sure HTC is doing a lot of stuff to get Android and Sense to work with 3D.
I've had some concerns with security on some of the custom ROMs lately anyways, so I will have no problem going back to stock sense. I actually really like sense... it was just too darn slow on the Hero. I'm sure it will be nice and fast on the Evo 3D. I'm still planning on getting it. But, like I said, if they announce a $300 price for it I'll consider cancelling my pre-order and spending another $100 to get a tablet. Smartphones aren't worth $300 when you can get laptops/tablets for $300-400 nowadays.
Now that people have the phone in their hands, is it worth it to upgrade to the Evo 3D. Since there are rumors of the SGS2 (within) coming to sprint on the 24th of july, would people recommend waiting or just get the 3D now and calling it good?
No BS assessment
HTC=LEGENDARY
SAMSUNG=NO COMMENT
I love my evo 3D its godlike, 3D is actually bad ass, I thought it was going to be annoying/gimmicky lol.
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Honestly you could second guess yourself to death.....There's always going to be the next great phone that's just around the corner. I got my 3vo and I love it, plus personally I'd never by another Samsung phone in my life.....but that's my opinion. If you look at the phone, try it, like it, and can see yourself using it for 22 months go for it, if not wait for the next one.
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Honestly you could second guess yourself to death.....There's always going to be the next great phone that's just around the corner. I got my 3vo and I love it, plus personally I'd never by another Samsung phone in my life.....but that's my opinion. If you look at the phone, try it, like it, and can see yourself using it for 22 months go for it, if not wait for the next one.
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So you think samsung will be as bad with updates as they were with the previous galaxy phones? I had an epic but i returned it because of the screen wobble and froyo never coming
I guess the real question is will anything coming in the next month be honestly significantly faster than the EVO 3D? If not, then why wait
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Now that people have the phone in their hands, is it worth it to upgrade to the Evo 3D. Since there are rumors of the SGS2 (within) coming to sprint on the 24th of july, would people recommend waiting or just get the 3D now and calling it good?
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My personal opinion is get the Evo. Even if the SGS2 comes out in July, you can always swap. Also, most any phone thats going to come out in the group is going to perform more than adequately. I like the look and feel of the Evo 3d, and HTC has a history of dev support.
I don't know....maybe they turned over a new leaf, but in the past I've had too many problems with Samsung to give them another chance. I had my HTC HeroC for the last 16 months and it has been a wonderfull phone...now my son has it. Good quality, lots of potential, durable.....but hey these are just my own opinions. Go have a look for yourself, if you like it get it. It's a pretty safe bet that in the next month Sprint's not going to put out anything that's going to exceed this phones capabilities.
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I don't know....maybe they turned over a new leaf, but in the past I've had too many problems with Samsung to give them another chance. I had my HTC HeroC for the last 16 months and it has been a wonderfull phone...now my son has it. Good quality, lots of potential, durable.....but hey these are just my own opinions. Go have a look for yourself, if you like it get it. It's a pretty safe bet that in the next month Sprint's not going to put out anything that's going to exceed this phones capabilities.
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The problem is that Samsung's international support is better than for their US products. Whether this is squarely on Samsung's shoulders is up for debate. They at least appear to be trying to appeal to the mod scene and with more than just words. I like their AMOLED screen, but I like the high res of the Evo 3d. They both look like great phones, but the Evo 3d got here first.
I guess I'll just go for it. It does look like there are some issues, but of course you always hear more from the people with problems than those who are content. Plus HTC looks like it has been receptive to fixing problems.
Buy the E3D and if you don't like it you have 30 days to exchange it.
You do realize that Samsung has provided the CyanogenMod team with SGS2's? That means that Cyanogen will most likely use that phone as the base for his ROM.
Samsung is loosening up their hold on their phones and the specs on the SGS2 phone are sick. I'm holding off for that phone instead because I won't use 3D as I already get migraines.
I'll wait for the next best thing.
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I'll wait for the next best thing.
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And always be waiting? If sprint came and said officially the within was coming on july 24th, and samsung would give better updates than it did with the epic. I would wait. But is the galaxy s 2 (within) going to be significantly better than the 3D?
Makes me feel much better!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1644167
Nice. Wonder if that's permanent, and what's the status on bootloader, and custom recovery.
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I wouldn't be surprised if HTC patches that before the release of the Evo LTE.
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I agree this does make me feel better but since the 3d now has plenty of working ICS builds i'm starting to think i might not NEED my evo lte. Considering dumping the preorder. I don't see much difference between the two now that i have ICS. Any thoughts? LTE non nonexistent , NFC (at least where i'm at) is also non nonexistent.
I do like the slightly bigger battery, and krait seems power friendly.
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I agree this does make me feel better but since the 3d now has plenty of working ICS builds i'm starting to think i might not NEED my evo lte. Considering dumping the preorder. I don't see much difference between the two now that i have ICS. Any thoughts? LTE non nonexistent , NFC (at least where i'm at) is also non nonexistent.
I do like the slightly bigger battery, and krait seems power friendly.
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I'm buying it, but only because it's the next big thing. I'll probably order it this weekend, and sell my EVO 3D next weekend with all of it's accessories to pay for it.
I like the larger battery. The processor is a huge upgrade. Sense 4.0 with ImageSense will definitely be useful (I have a daughter and I'm always taking pictures when we're out. Although, I just bought a $1000 DSLR, but I don't like dragging it everywhere with me). The fact that this model has an SD card slot, AND 16GB onboard is a big selling point for me as well. 4.7" screen gives me more viewing area (I'd get a note, but I don't think I could EVER get out of having HTC Sense).
Yeah i forgot about the camera that is another big plus. Something else i've always wondered was the B!tch Everyone has for the non removable battery. On my OG Evo i had 6 batteries i carried around with me all the time. I hated that. Why not just buy one of those recharge packs and if you need battery in a pinch use that. So many ppl i've seen are throwing this under the bus because of not being able to remove the battery.
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I'm buying it, but only because it's the next big thing. I'll probably order it this weekend, and sell my EVO 3D next weekend with all of it's accessories to pay for it.
I like the larger battery. The processor is a huge upgrade. Sense 4.0 with ImageSense will definitely be useful (I have a daughter and I'm always taking pictures when we're out. Although, I just bought a $1000 DSLR, but I don't like dragging it everywhere with me). The fact that this model has an SD card slot, AND 16GB onboard is a big selling point for me as well. 4.7" screen gives me more viewing area (I'd get a note, but I don't think I could EVER get out of having HTC Sense).
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Nice. Wonder if that's permanent, and what's the status on bootloader, and custom recovery.
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Its permanent. There is also a temp custom clockwork recovery that they are using to flash ROMs. They have a couple guys who have S-off on their phones but its still a WIP to get the bootloader unlocked. Looks really good for EVO LTE owners so far.
I am still on the fence about getting it. Due for my last yearly upgrade on June 1, but with the ICS leaks and the impending official release, I think I will be good for at least a little while longer. This phone getting root would drive my decision a little further to one side or the other.
Another point I forgot to mention is ACTUALLY having a true Beats capable phone. Not kinda works/kinda doesn't.
i will be glad to stop seeing n00bs refer to my phone as a "3vo"
i hope i won't be too rEVOLTEd about my choice
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i will be glad to stop seeing n00bs refer to my phone as a "3vo"
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So you're upgrading to the eVOLTe?
Vinchenzop said:
So you're upgrading to the eVOLTe?
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yes, buying it outright as i have no upgrade and I'm incredibley stupid and brainwashed like an apple fan fawning over a new Mac product
NewZJ said:
yes, buying it outright as i have no upgrade and I'm incredibley stupid and brainwashed like an apple fan fawning over a new Mac product
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I was more trying to start a stupid name trend with "eVOLTe". But nevertheless, glad to know I'll be sering you on the other side
Can't wait, 18th is right around the corner!
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was really hoping they would hold off on releasing this for a few more days...I for one will emphasize to the Sales rep at my local store that i DO NOT want him/her to take it upon themselves to force an update before I walk out the door.
never accept OTA updates on phones.
i wait for trusted devs to tell me what i need to do
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never accept OTA updates on phones.
i wait for trusted devs to tell me what i need to do
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Sneaky sales reps sometimes do it with out you knowing
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Fyi I saw a tweet from someone yesterday saying they have another method to optain root but they weren't releaseing it till next ota or something
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Ok I'm on a Epic right now, but my wife and youngest have EVO 3d's and they rock as good as my rooted Epic, so I'm thinking about getting one, only problem is I hate stock phones for all the obvious reasons, so I started reading here and I can't believe it you guys have actually rooted a EVO3D?
WOW, makes my decision to get one easy doesn't it, although it'll be next April when I do its nice to know I'll have root and roms a waiting
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Ok I'm on a Epic right now, but my wife and youngest have EVO 3d's and they rock as good as my rooted Epic, so I'm thinking about getting one, only problem is I hate stock phones for all the obvious reasons, so I started reading here and I can't believe it you guys have actually rooted a EVO3D?
WOW, makes my decision to get one easy doesn't it, although it'll be next April when I do its nice to know I'll have root and roms a waiting
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I'm afraid next April you won't find an EVO 3D for sale (maybe eBay/Craigslist). By then the EVO 4G LTE will be almost a year old and will soon be replaced (usually new flagship EVOs drop in June/July).
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Ok I'm on a Epic right now, but my wife and youngest have EVO 3d's and they rock as good as my rooted Epic, so I'm thinking about getting one, only problem is I hate stock phones for all the obvious reasons, so I started reading here and I can't believe it you guys have actually rooted a EVO3D?
WOW, makes my decision to get one easy doesn't it, although it'll be next April when I do its nice to know I'll have root and roms a waiting
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The EVO3d has been out for awhile... How is it hard to believe that xda devs rooted it?
Evo 3d FTW
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I'm afraid next April you won't find an EVO 3D for sale (maybe eBay/Craigslist). By then the EVO 4G LTE will be almost a year old and will soon be replaced (usually new flagship EVOs drop in June/July).
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And it'll take you guys about what, two hours to root that too?
kiewee3 said:
The EVO3d has been out for awhile... How is it hard to believe that xda devs rooted it?
Evo 3d FTW
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Cause I never bothered to look considering how fast that thing works all stock and how good every thing runs on it.
Evo 3d
you can buy them on amazon thats where i got mine and it was worth every penny
I can order one form Sprint I was just on their site and its only $199, woopie, thats $199 more than I have LOL PLUS I get to sign another 2 year contract, guess I'll wait till April and see whats what then.
OK, so I have my eye on the SGS3. I'd like to be able to develop for that like I do my Evo 3D, but I have a few questions since I don't have the phone and there's a lot of experience here. I could probably spend an hour or so searching for this stuff but I figure I might get better ideas from asking.
First, how is the dev scene for this phone? Does it ship s-off? Any issues specific to developing for this phone? Hows the camera? Does it have true zero shutter lag? HTC making phones with a half second shutter delay (that and quality issues) are one thing that has pushed me to try Samsung this time. Finally, it appears that some Sprint customers (like maybe ones with Sprint for 10 years) get an upgrade after a year. Sprint wants me to wait 2 years for any discount. I can't afford the full price but I know sometimes there are unannounced discounts or ways to get it cheaper. For example, Sprint said I didn't qualify last year for my Evo 3D either until someone here pointed out that I should check to see if I was a premier member (I think that was the term). Turns out I was and only had to mention it and I got the discount. Any ideas? Anything like that possible this time?
Oh, I want to keep my Evo 3D so I can develop for both, so I guess getting $100 trade-in discount is out too.
Thanks for any insight,
Mike
Samsung devices come with unlocked bootloaders, and there is no such thing as s-on or s-off, there is no signature checking in the bootloader.
There is a flash counter and service at the moment, but nothing to stop you flashing or developing custom roms.
Seriously hoping this is true. I switched over to the Epic 4G Touch a few months back. Gave my 3D to my Mom running MeanROM. Been missing it ever since. She gets awesome life running the old 3.3. Just came back home and now updating her to your latest version. Thanks for your hard work on this Rom and making my life a little easier. MeanROM=0 tech support for Mom's phone. :thumbup:
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mickeyxda,
I've been fan of your Mean Rom from Evo 3D and EVO 4G LTE. I recently gave my Evo 4G LTE to my wife and got my self a shiny new Galaxy S3 off of Craiglist for $250.
The Reason why I changed is because I got bored of Sense and although I like CM10, it's neither ready for prime time and missing a lot of the functionality from HTC. Also until Mean Rom 4.0 Sense roms tended to lag if you had lots of apps and Widgets like I did. The 2GB of RAM in the US GS III's was a big seller for me. Also like motion features a lot. This phone has never ever lagged for me on Touch Wiz.
That said, Its super easy to root theses Samsung Phones. Like veyka said, these phones have unlocked bootloaders. You just install a custom recovery using ODIN then flash a small root file to obtain root and avoiding installing factory recovery on boot.
I'll be honest with you, It would be awesome if you could develop Roms for GS III with the quality of your Mean Roms. Although the performance of Touchwiz is second to none I hate the fact the it takes up a lot of my screens real estate for the Dock. I hate that. By the way, few Sprint GS III roms include Google now for ICS like Mean Rom. Currently I use Blazer Rom with Apex launcher. For some reason the Apex launcher transitions are not as smooth as when installed on the Evo 4G LTE though. I guess that's an Apex Launcher issue.
Anyway, hope this info from a user stand point can motivate you to start developing for it.
Let me know if in any way I can assist you with your decision to develop or not. PM me if you want. I'm also on Google+.
mikeyxda said:
OK, so I have my eye on the SGS3. I'd like to be able to develop for that like I do my Evo 3D, but I have a few questions since I don't have the phone and there's a lot of experience here. I could probably spend an hour or so searching for this stuff but I figure I might get better ideas from asking.
First, how is the dev scene for this phone? Does it ship s-off? Any issues specific to developing for this phone? Hows the camera? Does it have true zero shutter lag? HTC making phones with a half second shutter delay (that and quality issues) are one thing that has pushed me to try Samsung this time. Finally, it appears that some Sprint customers (like maybe ones with Sprint for 10 years) get an upgrade after a year. Sprint wants me to wait 2 years for any discount. I can't afford the full price but I know sometimes there are unannounced discounts or ways to get it cheaper. For example, Sprint said I didn't qualify last year for my Evo 3D either until someone here pointed out that I should check to see if I was a premier member (I think that was the term). Turns out I was and only had to mention it and I got the discount. Any ideas? Anything like that possible this time?
Oh, I want to keep my Evo 3D so I can develop for both, so I guess getting $100 trade-in discount is out too.
Thanks for any insight,
Mike
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