So I had recently rooted and unlocked the boot loader of my rezound. I am running
ICS on it and I am very satisfied. I have a few questions though:
What does s-off really mean?
Is there anyway I can run the phone with a SIM not from Verizon?
Thanks
Mike
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S-off just allows us to flash radios pretty much. It is not needed for flashing roms.
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The S in S-off/on just stands for signature. You are turning off signature checking(hence the term s-off) and allowing it to bypass that "feature". HTC did it to assist in making the device "unbrickable". If you keep s-on you can only flash certain things, and other parts need to be flashed via PH98IMG's.
With an s-off device, you are pretty much free to the world. If you have an engineering hboot flashed, you can keep your hboot in a locked status and still flash anything at anytime,but be aware if you attempt to s-on with an engineering hboot, you will brick.
S-off isn't really necessary right now since most of us have latest radios since ics ota hasn't dropped yet. Just wait awhile for s-off as it is still not perfectly safe yet IMO. I will wait awhile. I don't need leaked firmware and radios
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S-off will allow you to do rom installs in one flash without the need to do the PH98IMG.zip through the bootloader and it will also allow full restores from nandroid backups without the need to flash the kernel separately...
As s-off devices get more widespread, I expect the rom developers to switch to this method and stop packaging the kernel separately.
All great responses. thank you for the quick replies. As I look more into these things, I do have to ask.
What are you guys running on your rezounds?
S-off/on? Also are you rooted with a rom?
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996 said:
All great responses. thank you for the quick replies. As I look more into these things, I do have to ask.
What are you guys running on your rezounds?
S-off/on? Also are you rooted with a rom?
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I just have an unlocked bootloader with s-on. I'm waiting for more s-off users and for it to be proven failsafe or close to it
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Can someone explain the difference between these items? Also what each allows you to do and if it can be done on a stock phone with stock ota upgrade.
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cherylbaker said:
Can someone explain the difference between these items? Also what each allows you to do and if it can be done on a stock phone with stock ota upgrade.
Thanks
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With s-on you can only flash radios, roms, and kernels. With s-off you can flash radios, pri, roms and kernels. As well as remove the red warning message during first boot. If you are on the latest ota. I don't believe you can use s-off yet.
On a side note I am s-on and have only upgraded the radio and Rom and everything is running awesome with mean Rom 1.5
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With the new ota, when htcdev unlocked there is no more flashing of radios kernals or splash screens. It's pretty much capable of flashing custom recoveries and that is all.
My EVO Ways
So basically you can do nothing.. What about rooting..
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You will need to unlock to flash a recovery image after rooting if u plan on flashing roms or mods still tho.
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My friend told me that if you 'S-OFF' your phone, don't think he said only on the HTC Amaze, but it will remove the 4G and will only give Edge connection. Is that true? And what are the Pros and Cons for having your phone S-OFF'd?
Your friend is misinformed. If someone was to S-Off Your phone without your knowledge you'd never know.
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Your friend is misinformed. If someone was to S-Off Your phone without your knowledge you'd never know.
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can you please provide me a link on as how to turn s off? and also do you lose the screen ring unlock feature when you do s-off?
Under development there's a sticky. And s=off has no visible effect. It is just for development purpose it alone won't cause anything to be different visually
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Here is a question. I bought a tmobile branded amaze. The guy who sold it me said it's unlocked and I am using it on other networks. Does this also mean its s-off? And has unlocked bootloader? How do I check? I just want to remove tmobile bloatware so need to root can anyone help me out here?
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danyal241 said:
Here is a question. I bought a tmobile branded amaze. The guy who sold it me said it's unlocked and I am using it on other networks. Does this also mean its s-off? And has unlocked bootloader? How do I check? I just want to remove tmobile bloatware so need to root can anyone help me out here?
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Take out your battery and then turn your phone back on holding down the power and volunme down buttons. This will load up the bootloader screen where it will either say "s-on or s-off" and will say "locked or unlocked". The locked/unlocked refers to the bootloader
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to s-off the phone just means to make "ALL" files on the phone rewritable so the phone can n be fully modified in any way shape or form.. and if you supercid your phone you will be able to flash stock roms from any carrier, as for how to s-off your phone i suggest using the toolkit by hasoon found here
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to s-off the phone just means to make "ALL" files on the phone rewritable so the phone can n be fully modified in any way shape or form.. and if you supercid your phone you will be able to flash stock roms from any carrier, as for how to s-off your phone i suggest using the toolkit by hasoon found here
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Thanks. For explaining but I googled it. Can you tell me of a htc stock rom for amaze. The one I have is tmobile and am looking for carriers free rom without bloatware as I dont want custom rom?
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danyal241 said:
Thanks. For explaining but I googled it. Can you tell me of a htc stock rom for amaze. The one I have is tmobile and am looking for carriers free rom without bloatware as I dont want custom rom?
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see if you can find yourself a detoxed RUU, either that or you can root your phone and use titanium backup to uninstall the bloatware you don't want
I did as you said. Now I have unlocked bootloader with twrp and rooted. I made a full backup through recovery. I have s-on. If I do messup can I simply use twrp to restore? Secondly if I want custom roms installed I need to s-off the phone or also supercid?
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danyal241 said:
I did as you said. Now I have unlocked bootloader with twrp and rooted. I made a full backup through recovery. I have s-on. If I do messup can I simply use twrp to restore? Secondly if I want custom roms installed I need to s-off the phone or also supercid?
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You don't need to be s-offed to flash a custom rom.But it is better if you can s-off.
crazykas said:
You don't need to be s-offed to flash a custom rom.But it is better if you can s-off.
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Why is it better? And do I need to be supercid?
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first off stop everything your doing, you NEED 4EXT recovery for all HTC phones, it was specially built for HTC phones since they only work on HTC phones.. and it has a Smart Flash feature that allows you to successfully flash rom's while S-ON, S-OFF lets you re-write system files with full access.. before htc released the Unlock Bootloader codes it was the only way to flash a rom properly.. and SuperCID lets you change the Carrier ID to Blank so this way you'll be able to restore any RUU from any carrier if your trying to flash back to stock... but it seems like you want to flash a rom so just Flash 4EXT and make sure smart flash is enabled and find a guide or watch a youtube video on how to do a full wipe and flash your ROM... or if you dont want to do a full wipe look for android revolution HD and download the superwipe script and flash that before you flash your ROM
Pros:
1. Able to flash kernels (aka boot.IMG) without using 4EXT Recovery ..but I use 4EXT because madmaxx is an evil genius!!
2. Able to supercid. That means you can change your Carrier Identification and will be able to flash different carriers RUU.
3. Able to SIM Unlock without the need to ask your carrier for the unlock code.
4. Change your Splash Screen. That is the first screen that pops up when you reboot. Then its the bootanimation that comes after.
Cons:
1. Just the attempt to S-Off is stressfull. If you're not patient or not confident or can't comprehend what it is you're reading or watching then do not attempt it. You can end up with an expensive paperweight if you don't know how to recover from something so basic.
2. Another Con. If you do something so stupid and mess with the system partitions then chances are it can end up as a brick also. Only heard of one instance that happened. And it was about a year ago.
Can't think of anything else. But I too would change the recovery. You might not be able to charge your phone if it goes dead because I'm not sure if TWRP supports charging while off. Good luck.
Can I just use hansoon tool yo change recovery? Or is there a speical way as I have twrp?
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I use the paid app. But you can use the Hasoons Tool. Mind you that its not the most up to date recovery and 4EXT has been updated atleast a dozen times since then.
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I use the paid app. But you can use the Hasoons Tool. Mind you that its not the most up to date recovery and 4EXT has been updated atleast a dozen times since then.
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So I just go and buy the paid app from play store and It will install the updates for me?
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Yes. It was worth it a few months back but. You might be better off going to his website and downloading the newest recovery. Up to you.
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t. Then its the bootanimation that comes after.
Cons:
1. Just the attempt to S-Off is stressfull. If you're not patient or not confident or can't comprehend what it is you're reading or watching then do not attempt it. You can end up with an expensive paperweight if you don't know how to recover from something so basic.
2. Another Con. If you do something so stupid and mess with the system partitions then chances are it can end up as a brick also. Only heard of one instance that happened. And it was about a year ago.
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yeah i remember i wanted to throw my phone at a wall because i was pissed the wire trick wasnt working lol
I flashed twrp through Rom toolbox and I have 2 roms on the root of my sd card but when I try and flash them it says failed I have nocturnals venom Rom and the frozen Rom both for the EVO 3d I am familiar with flashing roms I have flashed them for the EVO 4g millions of times I am on hboot 1.58 and I am s-on I don't know if that matters but plz help how do I get them to flash any help and any links to what I need to do will be greatly appreciated thanks...
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I flashed twrp through Rom toolbox and I have 2 roms on the root of my sd card but when I try and flash them it says failed I have nocturnals venom Rom and the frozen Rom both for the EVO 3d I am familiar with flashing roms I have flashed them for the EVO 4g millions of times I am on hboot 1.58 and I am s-on I don't know if that matters but plz help how do I get them to flash any help and any links to what I need to do will be greatly appreciated thanks...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813818
I would star here as a reference point. This device is different to the 4g when it comes to all this stuff Start by unlocking your bootloader through htcdev and go from there.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813818
I would star here as a reference point. This device is different to the 4g when it comes to all this stuff Start by unlocking your bootloader through htcdev and go from there.
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Thanks for the help I want to know if there is a way for me to downgrade my hboot from 1.58 without re rooting my phone from what I have read is if I downgrade my hboot than I will be able to flash roms thanks for the help
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I believe uou first have to unlock your bootloader in order to be able to downgrade. And as far as being s-on you might not be able to flash many of tge available ROMS. Keep in mind that guide is for CDMA by the way
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I believe uou first have to unlock your bootloader in order to be able to downgrade. And as far as being s-on you might not be able to flash many of tge available ROMS. Keep in mind that guide is for CDMA by the way
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I think I'm cdma I'm on sprint that's cdma right?? Can I go to htcdev and unlock my boot loader using my phone or do I have to do it with a computer??
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Here's a really good put together by ramjet works well http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1889438
I think I saw in one of the threads you are on cricket? If so your flash is safe using this guide
You need a computer to unlock bootloader. Go to htcdev.com and you follow the guide there then continue with the link i posted. You are CDMA by the way. Also look at the guide this other guy posted by ramjet.
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I just rooted my Jewel and the only ROM I really want to try is stable CM10. I've read everywhere since I'm s-on it may not flash correctly. Is this true? I have the lastest H Boot and firmware and have not flashed any custom ROMs yet on this phone at least. Should I just flash it or should I do something else. I would appreciate any input.
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
I just rooted my Jewel and the only ROM I really want to try is stable CM10. I've read everywhere since I'm s-on it may not flash correctly. Is this true? I have the lastest H Boot and firmware and have not flashed any custom ROMs yet on this phone at least. Should I just flash it or should I do something else. I would appreciate any input.
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Very true. I have an FAQ post for specific questions like this. And about 2 new posts a day are asking this same question.
Latest firmware: you need to downgrade using babyracun and then S-OFF. That'll fix your every issue.
Earlier firmware: fastboot flash boot boot.img
That'll flash the kernel for S-ON and allow your ROM to boot and work.
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Delakit said:
Very true. I have an FAQ post for specific questions like this. And about 2 new posts a day are asking this same question.
Latest firmware: you need to downgrade using babyracun and then S-OFF. That'll fix your every issue.
Earlier firmware: fastboot flash boot boot.img
That'll flash the kernel for S-ON and allow your ROM to boot and work.
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I'll be honest I read the DirtyRacun procedures and it looks like brain surgery. Wow what happened to simple flashing without all this extras? So if I want to stay simple and keep S-On I just need to flash the boot img before or after flashing CM10? Sorry for my noobness (which I am far from) but I've been out if the rooting game for awhile. Thank you very much for the help.
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
I'll be honest I read the DirtyRacun procedures and it looks like brain surgery. Wow what happened to simple flashing without all this extras? So if I want to stay simple and keep S-On I just need to flash the boot img before or after flashing CM10? Sorry for my noobness (which I am far from) but I've been out if the rooting game for awhile. Thank you very much for the help.
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HTC happened. I did babyracun and facepalm within a few minutes. Far from any type of surgery. If you want to stay S-ON then you'll just need to use ROM's that are 3.16 based. No AOSP ROM will work with the latest touchpanel firmware. So... Just S-OFF. Its easy.
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Hi guys, this might be a stupid question but, can I root my Amaze and keep the stock rom?
Thanks in advance from an old noob!
dogallmighty said:
Hi guys, this might be a stupid question but, can I root my Amaze and keep the stock rom?
Thanks in advance from an old noob!
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Yes of course.
But we do have improved stock roms like ARHD so you might want to try them out.
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Ohh you can ..
Just use hasoon's 2000 AIO amaze toolkit to perform rooting...
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Thanks for the help guys. Worked great!
So I've got it all rooted and it works great. I'm just wondering about installing a new rom on it. From what I remember I need s-off. Is there any other way to do that aside from the wire trick?
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No... No... No...
Just do it...
It is risk free...
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dogallmighty said:
So I've got it all rooted and it works great. I'm just wondering about installing a new rom on it. From what I remember I need s-off. Is there any other way to do that aside from the wire trick?
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If your phone is T-Mobile branded and so is the rom (most are T-Mobile based anyway, like speed rom and android Revolution), just enable smart flash in 4ext settings and it should flash without s off. They both have to be T-Mobile branded though.
But s off is worth it you can flash any amaze rom after s off and super cid. Insulated wire works best but tape covered paperclips work too.
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If your phone is T-Mobile branded and so is the rom (most are T-Mobile based anyway, like speed rom and android Revolution), just enable smart flash in 4ext settings and it should flash without s off. They both have to be T-Mobile branded though.
But s off is worth it you can flash any amaze rom after s off and super cid. Insulated wire works best but tape covered paperclips work too.
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Yup....
But I thnk he has Asian amaze...
Than you must perform s-off
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Yup....
But I thnk he has Asian amaze...
Than you must perform s-off
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If it's unbranded, then he would have to S-OFF. Which is the international or "asian" amaze. I think I have a TELUS amaze but it's unbranded (it came unlocked). So basically my amaze is the wedlock orphan amaze, until I check the original CID. "Aint nobody got time fo dat!"
To the OP, if you're Amaze says T-mobile on it just turn on smartflash and you should be good! You won't be able to flash every thing like CM, or Dark Glass Mod, AOSP based roms, and other non T-mobile roms for now until you S-OFF, and supercid.
Once you do that your amaze is freeeeeee! :angel:
So one more noob question, which recovery should I have used? 4ext or twrp? From what I read originally twrp was the way to go, but upon further reading it sounds like I should have used 4ext instead. Is there really that much difference between the two?
dogallmighty said:
So one more noob question, which recovery should I have used? 4ext or twrp? From what I read originally twrp was the way to go, but upon further reading it sounds like I should have used 4ext instead. Is there really that much difference between the two?
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Definitely choose 4ext. It has smartflash so you can flash ROMS without being S-OFF. This only applied to T-mobile amazes on T-mobile ROMS. But people who have the amaze are mostly non-T-mobile so it hasn't been of too much use, but it can be for you if you have a T-mobile branded Amaze. Do you have a T-mobile branded amaze? (Amaze with T-mobile stamped on the front). If you do, you can avoid the S-OFF process (it's highly recommended anyway) and flash T-mobile based Roms here. :good:
yup .
but i suggest you to perform s-off bcoz after performing s-off every thing going to be good,
, you
and if you haven't t-mobile or other , i mean if you have to asian than there is no way you must have to perform s-off.
and ya use 4ext recovey.
:good: Hit thanks if I helped you !!! :good: :good: :good:
My phone was a telus phone that I had to get unlocked. So I'm guessing that getting s-off is the only way to go. Should I use the All-in-one program to flash 4ext, or could I use Goo manager? Is there any issue flashing over twrp?
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Than flash
4ext and enable smart flash..
And flash it
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Ok, so can I just use the all-in-one program to flash over twrp?
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Ok, so can I just use the all-in-one program to flash over twrp?
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I think so. It should work.
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Ok, so I've got 4ext installed and it works great. Thanks for the help on that. Now on to trying to get s-off. I've read the instructions and the trouble shooting sections on how to do it. My only question is what is meant by " Verify - You are on Stock RUU (not FreshROM, Stock Rooted, HarmonyROM - none of these will work!)" Am I Stock RUU or Stock Rooted? Because I try to run the ubuntu program and get as far as "booting device into junbuntu? mode" and it just sits there and does nothing.
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Ok, so I've got 4ext installed and it works great. Thanks for the help on that. Now on to trying to get s-off. I've read the instructions and the trouble shooting sections on how to do it. My only question is what is meant by " Verify - You are on Stock RUU (not FreshROM, Stock Rooted, HarmonyROM - none of these will work!)" Am I Stock RUU or Stock Rooted? Because I try to run the ubuntu program and get as far as "booting device into junbuntu? mode" and it just sits there and does nothing.
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Did you flash any roms??
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dogallmighty said:
Ok, so I've got 4ext installed and it works great. Thanks for the help on that. Now on to trying to get s-off. I've read the instructions and the trouble shooting sections on how to do it. My only question is what is meant by " Verify - You are on Stock RUU (not FreshROM, Stock Rooted, HarmonyROM - none of these will work!)" Am I Stock RUU or Stock Rooted? Because I try to run the ubuntu program and get as far as "booting device into junbuntu? mode" and it just sits there and does nothing.
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If you didn't flash anything, you are still on stock so I wouldn't worry about that.
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It says perform this while you are on stock ...means that...
You are safe to perform while your are on stock Rom ( which is given by your company )
I mean gb for you if you haven't flash any other Rom .....
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