Hey guys, as always i first would like to offer my praise and sincere admiration to everyone who has and continues to work on the Dx2. You are ALL amazing and the work you do has had me enjoying this phone ever since i have gotten it..
That being said, my dx2 is a company phone.. they pay for it and all its accessories and monthly cost etc.. So my big boss wanted to upgrade from his blackberry so he got a Razr Maxx. He can't get use to it and (to LOL) its incompatible with the bluetooth in his Mercedes (don't u WISH u had that problem)..
So anyway, he is offering me to take the Maxx (for Free).. Now i have to say, I have CM7 on my X2, and honestly i LOVE it.. Its Fast, It works, it never crashes.. I ask it to do something, and it does it.
Now yes, the Maxx is 4G, with supposedly insane battery life. I have read i think there is ics for it now too.. I dunno..
Question is.. Do i take the upgrade and lose MY upgrade (January 2013), to which a quad core or the s3 will be out then, or do i take the Maxx now?
Ill admit I'm leaning on keeping my x2.. I really have no issues with it (and I'm on Long Island with is excellent 4G)..
Well. I'd go razr cuz they just did a bootloader workaround. Forget quad core. They can hardly utilize the second core on our x2 and you want 2 more? But you could wait and boycott Motorola ...
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I'd probably jump on the razr, its a known winner.
Its the success story that we had hoped the X2 and/or Bionic would have been
if you wait and bet on a new model before its proven you have the potential to pick a phone with less dev support.
Razr Maxx. That phone is looking better and better to me every day. Why? My dad has it and his 4g, kexec'ed phone whoops the **** out of my X2
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January is a long way away or I would say to wait it out. Why would your upgrade change if the phone is already purchased? Anyway, the maxx has great battery life, 4g, kexec, and an ics leak, that sounds like a nice combo to me. On the negative side its moto and by 2013 the phones will dwarf the razr. You have a tough decision on your hands. I just hope you get away from this phone eventually. Im starting to hate it more and more. (Not trying to be negative just speaking my mind)
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I'm also curious as to why your upgrade would be lost if you're getting the phone from a non-Verizon source.
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If he gives you a phone, why would you lose your upgrade date? I've changed my activated phone (broke my DX, bought a DX2 off Craigslist) and my upgrade date stayed the same.
You should be able to activate his phone on your number and save the upgrade for something badass quadcore style
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LordRalh3 said:
You should be able to activate his phone on your number and save the upgrade for something badass quadcore style
from my X2 roaming the north
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What a NICE boss! Btw, why did he pick u over and above so many employees? Are u the ONLY employee under him? Btw,you could wait for the S3 or some other phone. But since it is a company phone will ur company allow u to buy any phone or they decide what phone u'll get?
Yes the S3 is probably a quad core phone (rumor has it that in US it will be dual core just like the HTC One XL thingy) or you can get the next nexus, but Jan is a long way. There are ALWAYS better phones round the corner. You have to just pick your poison and stick with it... And the Maxx is one of the best. Of course, I will NOT go for it purely on principle, NO MOTOROLA for me anymore! But you should decide if the Maxx will do ALL you want from a phone for the next 2 years or so. I believe it will...
Well, I'm one that went from the DX2 to the Razr Maxx. I'm also one that said no more Moto phones for me again. I guess I lied. When I first upgraded, I tried the other side and found out that the old saying "the grass is greener on the other side" doesn't hold true with these phones. The phone I bought (HTC Rezound) missed probably 4 out of 5 calls I received. It just didn't ring. Needless to say I can't have that. It is after all, first and foremost a phone. If it doesn't ring when you get a call, all the unlocked bootloaders in the world aren't worth having. Moto hardware is tough to beat.
So, with that said, yeah, I like the phone. There's lots of roms available for it. Yes, ICS roms are there too. They do have their quirks though. Much like CM7 for the DX2. I'm running Eclipse on it right now but from what I remember, the problems with it that were most noticeable were things like the camcorder not working (no Moto drivers available) and a Bluetooth issue. Bluetooth works fine but if you turn off the Bluetooth device you're using off and forget to turn Bluetooth off on the phone, and then make a call or somebody calls you, you won't hear them and they can't hear you. Seems to me that mine wouldn't even ring but it's been a while so I don't remember for sure. The easy fix is to turn off Bluetooth when you aren't using it. Also, and this was kind of the one issue that made me leave it, data can be iffy at times. I tried several of them (Gummy and Black Widow being the best for me) and had problems with data being dropped. Only time I had troubles with it was when I was in a weak area but a lot of my work is in areas like that and it would get quite frustrating. However, it seems to be a hit and miss thing. Some people have absolutely no problems with data on those two roms, others have the problems I have. I suspect it depends on the signal but others say they don't have problems even with a weak signal so; who knows?
I have no doubt though that when the ICS upgrade comes, those issues will be fixed with the new kernal that comes with it. The phone is free. You'd be a fool not to jump on it. It shouldn't change your upgrade path since you didn't buy it so you really have nothing to lose. If you don't like it, activate your X2 again, unless of course, you have to give that up to get this one. If that's the case, well, I'd still go for the Maxx.
One more thought. For the Razr and Razr Maxx, if it's a CDMA phone, XDA isn't the best place to find roms, mods or what have you, for it. Most of the stuff here is for the GSM version of the phone. There's a website out there that's pretty much totally devoted to the Razr. They have far more stuff there for the CDMA phone than you can get here. Don't know what the policies are here for posting links to other forums so I guess I'll leave it out. If you get it and want a link, PM me.
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Hey guys, as always i first would like to offer my praise and sincere admiration to everyone who has and continues to work on the Dx2. You are ALL amazing and the work you do has had me enjoying this phone ever since i have gotten it..
That being said, my dx2 is a company phone.. they pay for it and all its accessories and monthly cost etc.. So my big boss wanted to upgrade from his blackberry so he got a Razr Maxx. He can't get use to it and (to LOL) its incompatible with the bluetooth in his Mercedes (don't u WISH u had that problem)..
So anyway, he is offering me to take the Maxx (for Free).. Now i have to say, I have CM7 on my X2, and honestly i LOVE it.. Its Fast, It works, it never crashes.. I ask it to do something, and it does it.
Now yes, the Maxx is 4G, with supposedly insane battery life. I have read i think there is ics for it now too.. I dunno..
Question is.. Do i take the upgrade and lose MY upgrade (January 2013), to which a quad core or the s3 will be out then, or do i take the Maxx now?
Ill admit I'm leaning on keeping my x2.. I really have no issues with it (and I'm on Long Island with is excellent 4G)..
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are you sure youd lose your upgrade? if hes giving it to you, you wont lose it.
Yeah, your upgrade is based on your contract, not your phone. If you get a phone from a third party and you have it lit on your line, you won't lose the upgrade. This is coming from a former tier 2 billing support rep. ;-) enjoy your new phones.
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Hey sorry for my delay in response, been busy..
Ok the Reason i would "Lose" my upgrade is because we here are all on a corporate verizon contract. We have lets say 10-12 employees under this contract, and the owners and higher ups also have their wives and kids under the contract as well.. so that now becomes like 30 people.. They upgrade phones so often that they "Take" an upgrade for one line and use it for another etc..
So if I take the Maxx, my boss will "Take" my upgrade to use for HIS next phone, in effect taking away my upgrade.. Now that being said, i (not trying to toot my horn) am a very valueable employee here (I'm the CIO/Network Admin, in an IT Department of 1, aka ME) so I get treated Very well, for example my boss who is the owner of the company and the only person i report too 3 weeks ago just Gave me his 64G 3G Ipad2 because he got an Ipad3, and i didnt even ask nor want one.. I wont even mention the Corporate Gas card. x 10000
But now you know my conumdrum. He has the Razer Maxx now, and he LOATHES it. He is a very simplistic user, and he is staying on his blackberry (if you can believe that), so he said he is waiting for some friend to give him a new blackberry and he is supposedly gonna pass the Maxx off to me.. So i will have the Maxx, and the X2 at my disposal.
To the nice dude who said about the roms and such on other sites, i thank you, you can pm me any info you have, i would have googled and found them anyway, but if you know where the goods are it can save me some time.
I think part of my trepedation on the Maxx is honestly CM7 on the X2 is faster i will say that. The UI and snappiness of the phone over the Motoblurred Crapola on the Maxx just is a breeze and to me Much faster... Now obviouslyi would blitz the hell out of the maxx and insall some ICS variant on it, and i know the Maxx is getting the ICS upgrade, but is the ICS roms for it TRUE ICS? Or Emulated ICS?
I swore my next phone would have complete UI Hardware Acceleration, as smooth as the iphone, and i know ICS brings that, but only in its True form.
Thanks for all the replies tho, you guys/gals are the best.
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I think part of my trepedation on the Maxx is honestly CM7 on the X2 is faster i will say that. The UI and snappiness of the phone over the Motoblurred Crapola on the Maxx just is a breeze and to me Much faster... Now obviouslyi would blitz the hell out of the maxx and insall some ICS variant on it, and i know the Maxx is getting the ICS upgrade, but is the ICS roms for it TRUE ICS? Or Emulated ICS?
I swore my next phone would have complete UI Hardware Acceleration, as smooth as the iphone, and i know ICS brings that, but only in its True form.
Thanks for all the replies tho, you guys/gals are the best.
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Good to know why your upgrade will be gone! It makes sense and clarifies a mystery. The Razr Maxx will get ICS and it will be proper ICS (hopefully with the 3.0 kernel and even if not, the kernel it will use WILL have all drivers for hardware). Of course, this version of ICS will have Motorola's trademark crapware on top, but still it is ICS. I dunno what you mean by "emulated ICS".. Did you mean something like Samsung Galaxy S's "ICS-like value pack" (which is Gingerbread with some of ICS's features, kinda like CM 7.2)? If so, then rest assured that Razr Maxx WILL get ICS. Period. And it is rootable + it has great ROMs and a lot of devs. I must say I do admire the build quality of Motorola. The phones are sturdy and rock solid. My X2 was a rock. It could handle falls and the body felt premium and it doesn't make squeaks when you press it. My Dinc2's plastic back panel makes some squeaks and noises when I hold the phone, and it feels cheaper in quality.
So, the Razr Maxx is a pretty good phone. It has its caveats, it is locked down and Moto may stop supporting it once their next flagship phone arrives, ditching it like it did with the X2... Keep this in mind, when weighing the phone's pros and cons. I say wait till tomorrow when Samsung is gonna unveil the Galaxy S3. If it comes on Verizon and it is a beast (which it should) then hold out for that. Else go for this!!
Cheers! \m/
hehe, personally now I'd take a WM7 phone by any maker (as long as it is reasonable) over anything Motorola produces.
But honestly, to me, it's Verizon, I have absolutely no expectations of any of the other impressive phones. their top 3, (maxx ~ evil moto, nexus, iphone ~ evil apple)
No one X for us, no samsung note, no good sony phones, no galaxy SII, no Titan II with a super impressive camera, etc.
Anyways, might as well just take the Maxx for now, they get development love, and you don't have to worry about battery life, also your next upgrade after it would be promised quad core and most likely software that could utilize it better than dual core currently is XD
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Hey sorry for my delay in response, been busy..
Ok the Reason i would "Lose" my upgrade is because we here are all on a corporate verizon contract. We have lets say 10-12 employees under this contract, and the owners and higher ups also have their wives and kids under the contract as well.. so that now becomes like 30 people.. They upgrade phones so often that they "Take" an upgrade for one line and use it for another etc..
So if I take the Maxx, my boss will "Take" my upgrade to use for HIS next phone, in effect taking away my upgrade.. Now that being said, i (not trying to toot my horn) am a very valueable employee here (I'm the CIO/Network Admin, in an IT Department of 1, aka ME) so I get treated Very well, for example my boss who is the owner of the company and the only person i report too 3 weeks ago just Gave me his 64G 3G Ipad2 because he got an Ipad3, and i didnt even ask nor want one.. I wont even mention the Corporate Gas card. x 10000
But now you know my conumdrum. He has the Razer Maxx now, and he LOATHES it. He is a very simplistic user, and he is staying on his blackberry (if you can believe that), so he said he is waiting for some friend to give him a new blackberry and he is supposedly gonna pass the Maxx off to me.. So i will have the Maxx, and the X2 at my disposal.
To the nice dude who said about the roms and such on other sites, i thank you, you can pm me any info you have, i would have googled and found them anyway, but if you know where the goods are it can save me some time.
I think part of my trepedation on the Maxx is honestly CM7 on the X2 is faster i will say that. The UI and snappiness of the phone over the Motoblurred Crapola on the Maxx just is a breeze and to me Much faster... Now obviouslyi would blitz the hell out of the maxx and insall some ICS variant on it, and i know the Maxx is getting the ICS upgrade, but is the ICS roms for it TRUE ICS? Or Emulated ICS?
I swore my next phone would have complete UI Hardware Acceleration, as smooth as the iphone, and i know ICS brings that, but only in its True form.
Thanks for all the replies tho, you guys/gals are the best.
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Its an actual official ics leak, kernel and all. Aparrently motorola got ics right according to some, but it hardly makes up for their business practices.
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I am on my 4th replacement Eris (trackball issues, and charging port issues). It's mint, and I take good care of it, so it's not that I am abusing it by any means, but my charging/usb port is on its way out. I've had to exchange 2 others because of the well known trackball issues.
So, Verizon has offered me early upgrade pricing on any phone of my choice! Question is, which one is closest to my Eris (size) and feel. When the Eris came out, I admit, I liked the way it looked, and felt compare to the Droid 1.
Of course, I rooted it, since there is no way I could stand being stuck on 2.1, with Sense. I really want the Nexus S, but I'm on Verizon, and not able to move (company phone). I would prefer the most "google" experience, but if it's an HTC phone with Sense, I can live. I'll probably just root it anyway. So, here are my requirements:
* FAST!! (After having an Eris for so long, I yearn for speed!!)
* Most Vanilla Google like
* "smaller" form factor like the Eris
* Good dev community for rooting (like the Eris)
Actually, now that I think of it, my requirement for being Vanilla, is not really a requirement, since I can always root it
Here are some of the phones I have thought about:
* DINC (but, should I go for something even faster, or wait?)
* Samsung Facinate
* Droid 2 Global (don't really like the form factor, but 1.2Ghz is nice!!)
I don't really think there is much choice. Although I am a diehard Mac OS X guy (Mostly because it's Unix), the iPhone just doesn't do it for me anymore. I like Android widgets, and the notifications too much, and the iPhone sucks at those (or doesn't have it)
Any chance of the Nexus S coming to Verizon? I like that the Nexus phones are always on the bleeding edge of Android releases, which is what I really want the most
So, what does everyone recommend? Wait? Get a new phone now? Replace the Eris for the 5th time?
Can you wait out for the vzw Thunderbolt?
Personally I would get another Eris and wait for the new phones to come out. BTW next time, post questions like this in the Q&A or General sections.
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J/K...I'd wait for the new LTE phones to come out before getting one. They just leaked that the LTE pricing will be the same 29.99 for unlimited.
dinc is too old now. almost at the end of its life and so is the droid x. Samsung has horrible support as you can see by kaos having to go over to their forums to help them get froyo and its near the end of its life. Most of the fast phones that verizon has have a EOL in march. The d2g is the same processor as the x and d2 but overclocked. i had a x for 29 days and hated it. and that thing ran all day at 1.35. If you can handle the 4.3" screen wait for the thunderbolt. My experience with the x and looking at the rest of verizons going ons has made me realize i am leaving them. I have determined that its time to move to a mobile carrier that has similar views that i do in how handsets should be ran. That is why i am switching to tmobile and getting the G2. Tmobile is owned by a german company and for some reason the Europeans seem to be more accepting of all things unix. They have a good relationship with google and they have released 4 vanilla pure android phones. no one else has released any that i can think of.
I would get the DINC but only if you can without having to use your upgrade.
Currently on my 7th one, nd verizon has yet to offer me this. Just get the iphone, much more reliable
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I'm still on my first, but I'm saving my upgrade for the Droid Bionic. And how do you go through 4-7 Eris's?!?
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I'm still on my first, but I'm saving my upgrade for the Droid Bionic. And how do you go through 4-7 Eris's?!?
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track ball going out, screen unresponsive, phone restarting randomly... i'm about to be on my third.
The build quality was very uneven on the Eris. Most of the ones people are getting now have already failed in the past and will fail again. If you're on your first one like I am (over 12 months now) count yourself lucky and just ride it out. Unless things change I'll be changing carriers after this contract is up as it is anyway.
Do the verizon trade in credit thing. Eris is worth 132 to verizon. Then buy some used phone online (I recently got a mint droid for 130, I'm pleasantly surprised by how much faster it is over the eris and has a great dev community and super easy to root and is still supported by verizon. For now) and wait till the thunderbolt, bionic, x 2, droid 3, or the Inc 2 comes out and get that and use your promo pricing
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Do the verizon trade in credit thing. Eris is worth 132 to verizon.
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not anymore, they changed it today to 32
neederishelp said:
not anymore, they changed it today to 32
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That must be because of the iPhone? $100 drop is steep!
Get the Thunderbolt
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not anymore, they changed it today to 32
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Dangg. Whew I'm glad I did it last week haha.
Replace it with another Eris; then wait for the Thunderbolt (SVDO) or the Droid Bonic - or jump ship like me and just get an iPhone. *shrug* /2c
I only read your first post and haven't read anyone else's answers. IMHO, Either go for the Incredible or wait for the next HTC Android phone on Verizon, the Incredible's successor, whatever it will be. Shouldn't be too much longer, but I understand it's hard to be patient.
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currently on my 7th one, nd verizon has yet to offer me this. Just get the iphone, much more reliable
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boooooooo!!!!!!!!! -8974624
im keeping my eye on the bionic myself. wait it out just a little longer.
Before i begin my rant, a precursor..This is not a post about the Devs not getting us unlocked BL or whatever may be... Far far from that.. My thanks and Enormous respect and gratitude go out to every single Dev and User who has helped not only myself, but every other user on XDA and other boards with the Droid X2.
The party seems to be over. I think the bulk of us knew, getting the X2 was more of a bridge in the gap til our next big phone, which I believed would be a 2nd Gen 4G LTE device. The droid Bionic hit today and yes, its obviously a much more robust product, kinda the same kinda different, then our beloved X/X2.
Where I live (Long Island) 4G is pretty prevelant.. I have used the Pantech 4G modem on a macbook and it got me 35 Meg down over air (6 meg up), which almost made me faint. This isnt about speed tho and the x2's lack of 4g..
The facts are the Devs are all killing themselves, trying so hard to come up with a way to make teh x2 better.. Untapped and unrealized potential we have in this device. Unfortunatley i dont see a light at the end of this tunnel.
Perhaps Ice Cream will save us end of the year, or Q1 of 2012, but thats doubtful. I came to the X2 on the sheer hope and belif that NVidia's Tegra 2 was gonna reign the supreme King of all processors on the mobile market.. Yet new phones are using TI more now. Why? Dunno.. Motorola has been hush as to why they didnt use the Tegra in the Bionic..
When i got the x2, as im sure most of you had, it was $199.. 4 weeks later its $99. Now its buy one get one free. Every since i have used smartphones (Since the old samsung SCH-i600 Win Mo 2002 phone), I have never seen the life of a phone come and go so fast..
Maybe thats my most annoying thins. It may not be true that the phone is Dead, or that dev will cease, but it sure as hell feels like it, don't it? Look at the facts:
-Hardly Any new topics across 6 different forums (XDA, DroidForums, Motorola, AndroidForums Etc).
-Buy one Get one Free (aka verizon saying PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF OUR HANDS)
I just wanted to get this off my mind.. I love my x2, it has been by far the best phone i ever had, not even CLOSE.. The surely untapped potential of this device, and its dual core capability + Nvidida 3d backing just leaves me craving oh so much more.
A few points in response....
1, I feel you pain a little bit. Im not terribly concerned about the phone itself because, I do like it (except for the damn music skipping..thats pretty annoying).
I also do not enjoy the lack of "chit chat" so to speak on the different forum boards. On the D1, I could make a comment (or a theme) and 20 minutes later the thread was on the 2nd page. I enjoy the communication.
As a themer, I enjoy making them but you are right here somewhat. It takes a lot of hours to make a theme and probably even more over the long run to maintain it. My D1 themes were downloaded 1000's of times. So far, as of last night anyway, my X2 theme has been downloaded 42 times. That makes it real tough to convince myself to keep doing it. Not a slam in anyway, just a limitation of the amount of X2 users.
I bought my D1 as a BOGO and it was over a year before anything came out that made people abondon ship en masse.
The Bionic and probably every 4G phone to come has a price point of $299. Tough pill to swallow when thinking about bailing on the X2.
Eclipse is pretty much the only ROM I use and Nitro seems to be banging it out left and right. I don't think hes going anywhere anytime soon.
Thanks for such a fast response honestly.. It's good to clear the cobwebs around here every once in a while..
You make fantastic points on all fronts.
I can only imagine the time and effort put into your themes and roms etc.. One for which i would never have the time nor patience to get involved in.
As with all technology, and myself being in the IT industry for over 20 years knows, that You get the best, but as soon as you get it, its not the best anymore.. I think what hurt most of all in this entire process, was after the fight and aching to get GB on the X2, its like that was the end of the fight.. Nothing left to look forward too.
The phone works. Every android device has software issues. We all know this. I think the thing every user here wants, is to know just how far and what this X2 can really do.. What happens if we put the pedal to the floor, will this thing burn rubber? Or have we hit the ceiling? Is this all the x2 has and should we months from now when our contracts start dwindling down, start looking at the future alternatives?
My comparison (to laugh), the X2 is like the old Commodore 128. Built on top of the Commodore 64, best selling computer ever, the 128 had promise.. Was faster, more robust, etc.. It never reached its potential because 95% of the time, it was being used in Commodore 64 Mode. Then we all went out and got an IBM.
i dont see the phone being dropped any time soon. it has the new dual core and gpu chipsets and its 100$. not everyone can afford a bionic. also 4g isnt in that many places. i still see people with droid2s. im sure there are people in the boat i was in. pretty much i didnt want a non smart phone for 2 years and verizon had this at 100$ why would you pass that up if you are tight on money
I hear ya, but its not really about not wanting one because of lack of 4g in your area or like that. Obviously the $99 price tag is amazing for what it is, but what i'm saying is that in the what, 4 months the phone has been out it is already shelved, being dismissed, and honestly slowed to a crawl any and all wonderful enhancements we were all waiting and anticipating.
Its the nature of the beast.. Every phone or electronic device goes thru this, i just can not remember one happening tho THIS FAST?
I was an Avid HTC Touch Pro 2 user on verizon.. That thing was honestly DOG SH*T slow since day 1, yet the community kept that alive for me for almost 3 Years of use, as painstaking as it was.. Roms, apps etc that just kept me wanting more and more...
I feel (and i don't think im the only one) like with the Lack of chatter, as a previous post said, the lack of push from motorola, now motogoogle, the locked device etc.. we are at an impasse. Its not anyones fault. It is what it is..
Maybe some of us thouhgt for the initial $199 (more like $320 after all the docs, extra batteries etc that some of us, like me, bought) and we would honestly have a solid year + of things to look forward too.. Instead, (and again this is just my perception, i may be 100% wrong, and or you can see it different) I feel like the development cycle has slowed down because no one can crack this sucker. There pushing us out the door like an after thought..
Hell Verizon ran that Father's Day X2 commercial, for what, 3 weeks maybe.. Not even 1 commercial about the X2 since (Except for 1 buy one get one free offer i saw about a week ago). Aka, Dismissed. Now i didnt expect Verizon to push the thing for 6 months, obviously.. but hey i thought this thing was a special peice of hardware.. C'mon, its NVIDIA ffs. The King of 3D Graphics.. I was (and still am) convinced that if anyone out there was to make a 3d capable device that could have an interface that wipes the iphone off the map, it would be via NVIDIA.
It could be me overthinking things, or just the fact that i Love this hardware... After years upon years of windows mobile bashing my brains to puree (i havent played with win phone 7, its suppose to be SALTY with the Mango update).. To have a device that WORKS is amazing to me still.. I just want more, and i want the users who share the experience with me to have the best possible usage out of a decice that deserved better then it has gotten.
I agree with subdivision. I have and am still having buyers remorse with my x2. The devs for this phone have been great and worked very hard to make this a great phone, but lets face it 4g is where everyone is going now. Not to mention making huge leaps in custom deving a phone truly takes a large dev pool, something that we just don't have.
We recently switched our family plan over to my brothers Wells Fargo corporate account, with that comes one year contracts and no charge for extra lines.
I look forward to next June when I can change this thing in for the next phone.
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honestly a week or 2 ago verizon had nothing that was better than the x2 in my book with maybe the exception of the droid 3 but i hated the keyboard. now they have the bionic if you want to pay for it. i guess verizon just has ****ty phones
Ok I just got my DX2 Friday and I moved from the Droid Eris we spent 8mo to get a full working root for everyone s-on and leaked 2.1 users. Someone knows someone just like in our case who gave up an answer to what we were missing on vulnerability.
Has anyone gone outside of this forum to find Devs bftb0, TopazArron, JCase, Darchstar, rigmarts, tazzpatriot, punkaos,and zifnab06 these are all Super intelligent Devs/Hackers that I was in on the IRC with researching for months exploits.
Who do we have dev wise that has rooted a phone from a 0day? Are we setting up them an IRC server and letting only thoes members in? I see a lot of prommised money and that is all good but no traffic for a Dev to root a device is present. I am not aware of who found the current workarounds or if other exploits worked so if there are Devs active sorry didn't know just got the phone.
The Droid Eris had no commercial time at all I just found it cause it was cheaper than the Droid 1. Once an root was found the aboved mentioned move on to other devices but the Themers and ROM Devs steped in and are still going, all for a phone that isn't even sold anymore.
So instead of being all upset about it spend that time getting to know other devs from other forums and finding out exploits or befriending them to possibly work on our phone. I just tweeted Jcase to see what he is up to.
A good Dev will enjoy the challenge this Ef'n bootloader and Communist Motorola has created. And with the recent purchase of Motorola by Google could be a good thing, most of the Season Rooters have contacts in Google and could get info.
I just went to PM Jcase and he is currently active looking at the bounty page. Now since it is a bunch of people just offering money I would think if the second pot for a DX2 for the Dev to use has to be legit. They are going to have to have one or two if they do work on it.
I think our best hacker for x2 is navenedrob and he doesn't even own an x2 lol
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Once again, i don't mean to be repetitive, but please do not take this thread as a "OMG THE DEVS ARENT DOING ANYTHING JUMP SHIP" post.. Totally not my intent.
Voicing my frustration at Verizon, Motorola.. and to a lesser extent NVidia and Google. No phone is perfect, again we all know that. This device COULD be one of if not a TOP Tier phone for the next 2 years if the proper people and channels got together and did something about it.
First off Verizon could have really pushed the Dual Core Phone as the future, and heads above the rest, since it out benchmarked every phone they had almost 5 fold.
Motorola could have been seen as a savior, instead of a villain, by giving us that true open source Option.. Unlocked Phone, Choice to remove Blur etc..
Google could have gotten off its pile of huge money and stock and said "Hey, we don't like how you are using our OS on this device, that has to change Pronto"..
NVidia could have said "Hey why are you not taking proper advantage of Our Tegra 2 chipset to show really what this bad boy can do?".
What IF's.. Thats all we have had with this phone.. What iF it was unlocked.. What IF both cores were truly being used correctly.. what if.. what if.. what if..
Our phone is a Very Very good phone. I Love it.. I have tailored it to suit me SO well that i honestly wouldn't change it for any device short of maybe the Galaxy S 2 only cause that seems to be the phone thats making everyone go gaga.. but i will say the Simple reason i didn't get a thunderbolt or wait for the bionic was the scary 4G battery life issue.
My upgrade was available in MARCH. I waited until JUNE to get the X2 to research and make a proper educated decision, along with my friend Ringo was was an AVID X User, and how much he loved it. I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
Maybe if anything, maybe my post can somehow get a snowball rolling down a hill. Maybe it will or can motivate that bunch of people to come out of the woodworks and say, u know what, this thing really deserves to show what it can do.
If in any way i could help this community, hardware, software, money whatever was to my ability, i would in a heartbeat.. only because i believe in every single user who visits XDA and these forums as users who truly are INTO their devices and only wants the best for the user base.
I prey a year from now, we are all on some great custom rome, running ice Ice Cream Sandwich and saying my god how this almost 2 year old device is still one of the best phones on the market.
I'm with ya Sub, we were probably shopping phones about the same time. When it became clear that the bionic was a ways out I plunked down my cash for the X2. It was a big jump coming from my trusty TP2. I would have to say that my TP2 was the best phone I've had. It was FAR more stable than this thing. My wife is about ready to throw it out the window when it crashes and reboots at night and makes the famous "drooiiid" sound and wakes her up. Coming from winmo it seemed like android was the way to go since WP7 was going to be completely locked down. I have been disappointed to see how weak android is out of the box, and to see that I can't even do a wifi hotspot with this phone (at least without paying).
I do think that there's some light at the end of the tunnel though. I've seen a LOT more marketing for the X2 in the last couple weeks. Yes, they're selling them cheap, and they're doing BOGO, but they're doing the same thing with the Droid3. So I don't think its dumping excess hardware. Hopefully its building user base and with more users they'll fix some of the phones problems. Verizon sent me a trade-in notice offering $100 or more trade in for a bionic, so if I pitched a fit maybe they'd let me in on one of those. I considered it for a short time, but 4G is pointless for me for probably years. And I really do like the docks for the X2, I just wish they weren't so buggy.
I think I'm going to try to hang in there for a while, and hopefully we see some progress. Maybe somebody will even figure out how to get the thing to play an mp3 track without skipping.
Thanks man..
There are 2 people here in the boat with us.. Those that are under contract who HAVE to wait for something new, and those who aren't but love the X2 to stay with it...
I for one wouldn't change it right now as i love the phone, i just want it to succeed where others have failed, and truly take advantage of the hardware we were given.
I still want to know why motorola only put 512M (or 414 whatever) in this thing, which just made ZERO sense to me... With ram being so available, and So cheap, why not toss at least 1GB, or 2GB.. Set it apart.
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I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
I have PM jt1134 from the Fascinate forum. An effort to try and get another dev possibly interested in joining minds with others here. He's well respected there but I'm not sure of his interest here, if any. It's worth a shot!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
I'm pretty sure the tegra 2 didn't get along with 4g. That's why it was scrapped 9 mos ago.
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
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Yeah, d3 has a ti
Honestly I wouldn't worry about this phone fading away man it has a lot going for it. I mean we have Nitro w/ Eclipse and Naven whom is going to uploaded all atrix ports which I am looking forward to (esp alien rom). I know someone is working on getting CM7! We have 2nd init going for us now, and if moto keeps true to it's word an unlocked bootloader soon? As for the switch to TI I think it has something to do w/ the partnership w/ Google. Yes the Bionic has a tad more power under it's belt, but nothing earth shattering imo. The newer blur probably coded better, but I want a full AOSP experience anyways so I'm not too worried about that.
X2 pretty much carries the specs of the Bionic concept I think? The Tegra 2, 512 MB of DDR2, qHD, it just lacks 4G which I could care less about since I have a 100 mbps connection at home. FFC I could care less about either, the 1GB of RAM woulda been nice though. I still love the X2 though it's GREAT as a phone, best in call quality I've experienced in awhile. So don't worry the X2 will have development and will be around for awhile.
I think the responses in this thread give us all reason for future hope, granted its not blowing up XDA, but it still shows i think some true and viable interest here.. It was and is a downer to see lack of new threads, and just overall activity for our beloved X2, hence why i think i created this tread..
Stirr the pot.. Kick the tires.. See if the motor is still runnin or are we about to get sent to the junk pile.
Here is what i would love to happen in a perfect world:
Unlocked Bootloader (DUH)
A myrad of custom roms of all walks and versions of Android
Customization like the old Win Mobile devices
True dual core coding and usage of apps and the os
Freedom to truly take this thing to a new level.
Freedom is the key.. How is it were on an open source device, that is basically closed thx to Motorola.. How can google not be really P.O'd about that?
I believe in this user base, especially those here @ XDA, where honestly the true and best mobile programmers, coders, and customizers seem to come when things are happenin the way it should.
For all the trash people talk about this device, if someone ever cracks the bootloader you know for a fact were gonna have 50 devs and 5000 people jump on this phone overnight
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Hi Guys,
I've been considering between getting this or a Galaxy Nexus. I'd pretty much almost decided on the RAZR due to the superior build quality, but after looking on here; im now not too sure - 10 pages of the General Discussion threads paints an image of doom and gloom, faulty displays, stuck pixels, freezing, overheating etc.
Do you guys who own one of these recommend it or should i avoid and go for the Plasticy Nexus?
Look forward to hearing your opinions and any useful advice.
Cheers
Paul
I say no. Get the Nexus! Especially if you like to flash new roms!! Or if you want the Razr, get the Nexus and I'll trade you!!!
Wait for the razr maxx...awesome 3300 mah battery!
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I am looking between razr and rezound due to reception issues with nexus-i already had the charge and dealt with the reception woes from Samsung. Too bad reception is so bad it ruins the otherwise superior choice
I think you'd really like the RAZR, but wait for the MAXX so you don't have to worry about conserving battery. The extra thickness will make it more comfortable to hold as well.
Cheers for the advice guys.
Im still not sure what to go for though
I liked the build quality and design of the RAZR and actually like how slim it is. Not too fussed about the bigger battery in the RAZR Maxx - i generally stick my phone on charge every night so im sure the RAZR would get me through a day safely to be charged up and ready to go the next day.
The Nexus i'm interested in the HD display and Ice Cream Sandwich but im not too keen on the design and cheap look and feel of the device. It just seems to lack something i cant put my finger on.
The risk of getting a RAZR with issues seems to be too high though - why cant i have the Nexus put into the RAZR shell!!
paulrgod, I agree with alexh037 in saying wait for the Droid Razr Maxx (if possible). I went from the Samsung Fascinate (loved it) and wanted the Galaxy S II phone, but Verizon is the only carrier which decided to skip the Galaxy S II and go straight to the Nexus. I looked at the Nexus, the Razr, and the Rezound and the Razr won out. I understand the camera short commings, but I don't use my phone as my "main" means of photography, I use it as a phone and appointment keeper. The reception this thing has beats the Fasinate hands down. And ditto with sound quality (and loudness). The Razr is very easy to understand people I am talking with, and they say I am crystal clear even with a lot of background noise going on.
My only dissapointment is the Razr was released to the world in November 2011, and here it is two months later and the Razr Maxx is being released with almost twice the battery. Sucks for us early adopters!
I personally don't think it sucks. The original RAZR is amazingly SLIM. The new one is just .. sorry - FAT. And the current battery is OK. Most Android phones run on battery for one, max two days and you will achieve this with RAZR, too.
It depends on what u want from your phone i guess. I like both of them. But i definitely like how the razr looks and feels better then the nexus. But my only concern is getting back to stock using the fastboot files. Seems like alot of people are having trouble doin it. The nexus I think is pretty much impossible to brick and your able to unlock it. But i really don't care about a locked bootloader. I care about how difficult it is to get back to stock if u root the razr and something goes way wrong.
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I've read somewhere that the gnex's antenna is lacking.... that is a deal breaker for me... that's why I chose the RAZR, locked bootloader didn't stop my DroidX from getting quite a handful of roms, so I jumped on the RAZR wagon and am loving it
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Having had both I would recommend the Galaxy Nexus.
I used the Razr for about 5-6 weeks before picking up a Nexus. I really like the Razr and it is a great phone. I ended up having some issues with it though and that is what caused me to switch.
What I took into consideration:
Not receiving all text. People would show me the time stamped text on their phone, and I had not received in on mine hours later. (This was not a sim issue since I am using the same sim in my Nexus)
Locked bootloader. I know this had been talked about to death, but it is what it is. I never rooted my Razr because I had a Bionic before. I rooted my Bionic and one of the biggest draw-backs on the Bionic was the chance of being stuck with a hybrid off the update path. I just didn't want to deal with that on the Razr.
Lastly the screen on the Nexus got me. Watch the same youtube HD video, or put the same HD wallpaper on both phones and there is a big difference. More than I really thought there would be. For me, the screen is the biggest part of the phone. It hard to explain internals to the everyday person, but everyone can see the screen.
I also really like the feel of the Nexus in my hand. And as far as build quality, I have never known anyone to have a phone disintegrate in their hands. The Razr has superb build quality, but the Nexus isn't made out of tissue paper either.
Both phones are great! At the end of the day you need to decide which features are the most important to you. Then pick the one that suits you. If you need a large amount of storage then definitely pick the Razr. Just remember its not the do or die situation everyone makes it out to be. Pick what you like. Its like choosing between Ferrari or Lamborghini, Mercedes or BMW.
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I've read somewhere that the gnex's antenna is lacking.... that is a deal breaker for me... that's why I chose the RAZR, locked bootloader didn't stop my DroidX from getting quite a handful of roms, so I jumped on the RAZR wagon and am loving it
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This would be a big deal for anyone if it were true. but its not. Its only the way the signal is reported on the phone. Technically the Nexus is more accurate. The Razr and others display an inflated signal.
I will say that on the Bionic and Razr (although not near as bad as the Bionic) i did drop in and out of 4G regularly. Sometimes it would say I have 4G or I would be on wifi, but I would have no data connectivity. I would have to toggle airplane or wifi to get data back.
I live in a market that has had 4G for over a year now and I have had solid coverage since my Thunderbolt.
Yes, you should go for it. Mind you that most of those whiners are trolls who work as professional sh*t throwers. Razr is a durable and yet fast device. It works as it should out of the box. It didn't get a major update yet but its soon. All of the minor bugs will be corrected with the ICS build.
Thanks again for the feedback guys - i guess i need some more hands on time with both handsets to make up my mind. I'll see if i can get hands on tomorrow!
Something else you may want to consider is support behind the phone.
I have noticed the Razr threads become less and less active. Take a second and just scroll through the Nexus forums, then the Razr. The difference is night and day. The Razr forum is surprisingly sparse. This may be the work of an OCD Mod or just a lethargic user base. Its not a bad thing as long as any help you need will be there when you need it. Just worth taking under consideration.
Happy hunting.
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Something else you may want to consider is support behind the phone.
I have noticed the Razr threads become less and less active. Take a second and just scroll through the Nexus forums, then the Razr. The difference is night and day. The Razr forum is surprisingly sparse. This may be the work of an OCD Mod or just a lethargic user base. Its not a bad thing as long as any help you need will be there when you need it. Just worth taking under consideration.
Happy hunting.
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not necessarily "razr" threads, but motorola threads as a whole. very little "community" in most motorola threads compared to others.
very true though. I remember when i first picked up the Atrix on release day. For 2 weeks, there are SO little development updates. But about 8 months prior when I picked up the HTC Evo, the threads were updating almost non-stop.
Motorola released lots of "major" and "flagship" phones, but all of the phones pretty much failed to deliver in so many facets. While I've still got love for motorola, i cannot say i am not disappointed.
I have yet to see a device on Verizon that is open (no locked bootloader) and still gets decent GPS/reception. And I like using microSD cards, so I didn't go with the nexus.
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Dakota0206 said:
Something else you may want to consider is support behind the phone.
I have noticed the Razr threads become less and less active. Take a second and just scroll through the Nexus forums, then the Razr. The difference is night and day. The Razr forum is surprisingly sparse. This may be the work of an OCD Mod or just a lethargic user base. Its not a bad thing as long as any help you need will be there when you need it. Just worth taking under consideration.
Happy hunting.
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Locked bootloader has a lot to do with it...
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Dakota0206 said:
Something else you may want to consider is support behind the phone.
I have noticed the Razr threads become less and less active. Take a second and just scroll through the Nexus forums, then the Razr. The difference is night and day. The Razr forum is surprisingly sparse. This may be the work of an OCD Mod or just a lethargic user base. Its not a bad thing as long as any help you need will be there when you need it. Just worth taking under consideration.
Happy hunting.
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Even tho I like the razr and I kinda consider it over the nexus simply cause i dnt flash as much as most people. You 100% right about the threads. There is alot more goin on in the nexus threads then the razr. But i have got some pretty good help with the questions I asked in the razr threads.
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please go for Razr Maxx.
It is just a Razr, but with much better battery life.
1.1 mm thinker, seriously guys, who the fxxk cares that 1.1 mm? Your phone case will add at least 4.4mm!
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Locked bootloader has a lot to do with it...
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This is true.
I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
I have a Droid Charge with unlocked bootloader and it still gets no development. I still thoroughly enjoy the phone though. Of the phones on the market, the razr is the one I like best. Moto knows how to make a smooth fast phone with great reception.
If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
You should do a side by side comparison of the RAZR next to any other phone... that's what I did before buying my RAZR... I like having a removable SD card and HDMI out... the battery could sway you but I think with the maxx coming out someone will produce an after market cover, after all the battery isn't soldered in like the iphone is... I personally love the quality of Motorola phones... as far as development goes, I wouldn't let the locked bootloader get to you, I had my DroidX for 2 years with a locked bootloader and I still had quite a few roms to flash, doesn't anyone remember 2nd init? I'm sure the RAZR devs will find a way around the stupid bootloader... in the meantime everyone get into operation mosh, and let big red and Motorola know we mean business... I love my RAZR, I personally have a lot of faith in this product, I'm actually looking into learning how to develop for android just because I want to help anyone who takes up the torch to develop for this awesome device
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Can I ask what eclipse is? I'm kind of having the same feelings as the OP. I'm looking for a reason to keep my razr, but some of the other devices are calling for me.
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If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
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The only thing the locked bootloader prevents different kennels from being used. There are two or three roms out now plus a deodexed or two that you install with the bootstrap.
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I can tell you this. I tried out the Nexus for about a week, and took it back. While I LOVE ICS, the phone itself SUCKS. Esp next to the Razr. Slower, horrible battery life, cheap feel, lackluster camera...I could go on and on. I am pissed off too but it is still the best option out there so far.
Sorry for this extremely newb question. This is my first dabble in the Android world, I've always been an iPhone user since moving from dumb to smart phone.
I've been using the Arctic ROM for last couple of weeks and the latest version makes me never want to go back to the stock Rogers ROM. Now here's the question - given that even without an unlocked bootloader, one can still relatively easily flash a new ROM using CWM, what's this big deal about unlocked bootloader. Also what's special about this ever so elusive custom kernel that has been mentioned?
One of the biggest problems I'm seeing with the locked BL bs is that it appears to be scaring away developers who would rather go the easier route and develop on a unlocked machine. Yea you might get it to work on the Razr but it takes steps A-B-C-D-E and who knows how much more for the devs to get it working as opposed to A and B with a ULBL. Look around...we've got very very little in the way of development or ROMS....
If ROM'ing is really important to you, you really ought to get a GNex. Even if the bootloader does get unlocked (which is up in the air, since Moto's broken that promise in the past), there will be far more development for the GNex.
I got the RAZR for the killer hardware and the smooth user experience. I don't know that I'll ROM this even if they do unlock the bootloader, and I was a ROM junkie on my OG Droid.
ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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I pray that you are right. Though I love this phone more than any other phone I've had before (HD2, HD7, Sensation, G2X, Bionic), it's killing me that I can't mess around with it. I paid top dollar for this prostitute. And I want to do whatever I feel like to her, regardless of what her pimp says.
Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Sorry, I have no info on that.
the xoom already had an unlocked bootloader from the last update from what I can tell as on the motodev website, there is a file to relock it if needed
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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That is correct, no BS on my end because I have no reason to make something like that up. I was contacted and it doesnt mean its going to gappen right away.
Sporttster said:
I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
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Best price including shipment to Malaysia?
Maybe this sheds more hope on the X2 getting ICS? The main difference between the phones are the X2 has a dual-core processor while the Incredible 2 has a single-core, but the Incredible 2 has 768MB of RAM while the X2 has 512MB. They both came out at around the same time period as well. Wouldn't the dual-core/single-core processor make a bigger difference on performance with ICS versus the 256MB extra of RAM?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/1...nd-rhyme-will-all-receive-ice-cream-sandwich/
If the Incredible 2 gets it and the X2 doesn't I'm going to be slightly frustrated on the matter.
Hmm, unlocked bootloaders on older phones as well as ICS?
HTC is where I'm headed next when it's time to upgrade this summer...
Well, unless memory management is a real mess on Android, I don't see why 512MBs of ram isn't enough. I ran WinXP for something like 2 years with 512 for 2 years and it ran smooth and fast. Then I added another 512 and to be honest, I couldn't tell the difference. The two OS's don't even compare when it comes to size and what needs to be loaded into ram.
Granted, the processor on the computer was twice as fast as the one on the X2, but I know people who ran XP just fine on the same amount of ram and a 1GHz single core processor. A bit slower than mine, but it ran fine. Perhaps I'm missing something. Don't know but it doesn't make sense to me.
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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ashclepdia said:
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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You, sir, get a gold star and go to the head of the class. In other word, right on the money.
hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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The HTC phone owners I know absolutely rave about their phones. I haven't heard about any hardware failures from them, and we talk about our phones frequently. So far, I've heard the best reviews on the Rezound. Which HTC are you considering?
ashclepdia said:
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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+1 , indeed.
Think that the massive amounts of phones being created and released will decrease now that Google has acquired Motorola? That maybe, just maybe, they'll focus on quality over quantity?
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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I had a tmobile htc g1 for like 3 years. That thing was indestructible, and i even had gingerbread on it when it finally died. It fell into water no less, not even a hardware failure. Since then iv had an Incredible, which was a tough cookie as well, and a thunderbolt after that. Any talk of failures bar the software bugs the Tbolt had in its release IMO are pretty few and far between. i know i had great luck with them, and had i not loved my droidx so much in the time i had it, i probably wouldnt have a dx2. i do miss my unlocked bootloaders, and 1.8ghz OC on my tbolt too bad the battery life was atrocious. Id say go for an htc next
I also have to think that HTC has hit upon something with their recent commentary about shifting from producing a lot of models of smartphone to producing a few very GOOD models of smartphone. I'm all for this, I don't see any reason why there should be 10 varieties of phone from a single vendor on a couple of carriers, you're just creating problems like what we're seeing from Motorola here.
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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In my past experience with HTC phones they didn't last long at all. I had a few crap out on me with hardware failure. But, that was a few years ago they may have better hardware now. Or I would really hope so anyways.
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Every phone I've ever bought turned out to be crap and loose support within months. Next Time its either HTC or Samsung. I vowed not to get Motorola before I bought the X2 but bought it anyway. I love the phone but once again feel shafted.
Our company went with the origional incredible (10-15 phones) and didn't have many hardware issues that I'm aware of. Coverage was typical far as I could tell.
Me, I took a X back then and loved it till they killed it with GB. They offered me a few choices as a free replacement and I took the X2 thinking I had the docks etc for it.
At this point I'm not hesitating to jump ship from Moto, like alot have already said, to many phones pushed onto the market spreading the support for them way way to thin.
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i wasn't impressed with my samsung. my fascinate seemed like it was forgotten the moment it was released. nice screen, though. my inc2 is three times the phone that was, and is currently running ICS with very few bugs, save for buggy camera. the biggest issue and gripe about htc is the audio. on the inc2, at least, the audio levels are low on custom roms unless tweaked in the kernel, due to the weird way they did the audio on this phone. i do like the phone, but for pure modding, i don't think you can beat a nexus. that may be my next device. i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
tspderek said:
i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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Yep, the N1 (and its twin, the original Desire) is one of the best Android phones of all time.
I don't understand why you guys are complaining that X2 isn't getting ICS. I mean this phone came out in April or May11... There has only been 1 phone to even release with ICS since then and the next is still about a month out. By the time a ICS update would even hit for this phone, you would probably be a couple months from a upgrade anyway and a waaay better phone.
btw I had a HTC Incredible. Amazing phone and I abused the heck out of it on a physical and software level. Id go back to HTC in a heartbeat when their tegra 3 phone comes out.
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
754boy said:
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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but the fact remains
Motorola publicly stated/promised to give updates and support devices for 18 MONTHS AFTER RELEASE. our x2 is perfectly capable of handling ics, we SHOULD get it. if we don't I for one will chalk it up to Motorola being lazy, not trying hard enough,.and being greedy (many people WANT ics and by not updating x2 many people will go buy a new device)
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All this talk about HTC and Sami phones being better and all. But put aside cool features and even usability cuz of an unlocked bootloader. Do they sound as good as a phone?
I thought the D3 was a better sounding but had to choose ours cuz of the Bluetooth tone that is forced on D3 users. Yet I never heard a phone sound as good as the original Droid.
Rant off.
754boy said:
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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Because of hardware acceleration. It offloads graphical processing from the CPU and places it where it belongs: on the GPU.
Better multitasking via a kernel rewrite to make the system smoother.
Those are the two biggies for me.
And, unless the X2 gets an ICS kernel, you won't see those two things.