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Anyone else think its going to be almost impossible to get one? Look at the evo... its STILL out of freakin in and out of stock online...
With the earthquake in Japan slowing the manufacturing industry down, I would imagine there will be shortages of a lot of products, beyond what there normally would be.
I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
The only reason they keep running low on stock is because they haven't ramped up production. If Sprint wanted to, they could flood the market with EVO 4Gs.
I'm going to bust my ass to get on the list.
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I doubt it. Most who got an EVO now wont be able to upgrade and that means less purchases.
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Perfect reason to preorder one! I know I will.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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some of qualcomm's part comes from japan. so.......yeah.......it means delay.
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some of qualcomm's part comes from japan. so.......yeah.......it means delay.
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KIRF to the rescue?
NEW FLASH!!!
There are to few Premier members that will qualify for the upgrade now that it won't make any difference.....
Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
BTW, I have a feeling that the Japan issue is really a non issue; mostly because the phone won't be released till the summer. Also, Toyota and other car manufactures have already gotten their plants running, so there has to also be a way to ship them out. If you get a auto factory running and can ship a ship full of cars out, I think they should be able build phone parts and ship a billion phone parts out...
I went to verizon the other day with a friend of mine and he was checking out the Thunderbolt. He àsked how their stock has been and they guy said they have sold a ton of them but HTC has been shipping them as soon as they run out. so they haven't had any problem keeping them in stock. Im not sure but im thinking that could be a sign for us that they will keep a decent stock this time and not miss out on sales like with the Evo.
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Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
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Due to the recent change in the gold/silver Premier levels?
If that's the case, because I'm still gold, I'll be ahead of almost everyone. Sweet! I'm so tired of my HTC Hero already, been holding out all this time for a dual-core.
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NEW FLASH!!!
There are to few Premier members that will qualify for the upgrade now that it won't make any difference.....
Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
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There are still going to be a lot of people using full upgrades/other lines on family plans as well as new customers. Not to mention the people who are still eligible for premier upgrades, and, of course, those who will buy the 3D outright. I fully expect demand to be as high or higher than the OG Evo.
My store is still selling out of stock on the 4G whenever we get them, so the demand is there. You also have to factor in a year of people talking about the EVO which spreads it appeal to the more average customers, as opposed to the 4G launch which was driven by tech-types who knew it was coming.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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You don't see why plant closures in Japan from some large semiconductor manufacturers would slow them down? Not to say it's going to grind to a halt, but it will have an effect, even if only a small one.
NewZJ said:
I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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also you are thinking wrong. you think if korea has been hit with the disaster, you are probably thinking apple will now rule thw world? wrong.
apple uses lg displays, samsungs chip. world can not survive alone anymore. no lg and samsung=no apple.
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There are still going to be a lot of people using full upgrades/other lines on family plans as well as new customers. Not to mention the people who are still eligible for premier upgrades, and, of course, those who will buy the 3D outright. I fully expect demand to be as high or higher than the OG Evo.
My store is still selling out of stock on the 4G whenever we get them, so the demand is there. You also have to factor in a year of people talking about the EVO which spreads it appeal to the more average customers, as opposed to the 4G launch which was driven by tech-types who knew it was coming.
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I'd say the reason you're still selling out of EVO's are because, on Sprint, there's nothing that compares to it in over all features. Sprint is very limited in what top tier phones they carry, and they just don't seem to want to stock them. Believe me, it's not a manufacturing issue. If it were, it'd be almost impossible to get an iPhone.
Here's another possible problem for block buster sales of the EVO 3D. Unlike last year, where Sprint was the only one offering 4G and the was really no comparable phones to the EVO 4G, it's a different story now. Verizon's spring roadmap has been leaked and they are announcing more 4G dual core phones in May.
If people see comparable phones sooner on another carrier and it's available sooner, why wouldn't many people just switch? Especially since LTE is the new buzz word and we've all come to see that LTE coverage is very good (I'm talking about actually having coverage where coverage is supposed to be), with great building penetration? In addition to that, Verizon is saying they'll have 4G (LTE) available in 147 markets by the end of this year, where Sprint/Clearwire looks frozen. Sprint won't even give a hint on what's to be expected by end of year. Because of this, Sprint's price advantage is gone... No one wants to stay on yesterdays network, that's clogged, when you get get new for just a bit more a month.
Sprint reps on different forums and over the phone and in most places have been told from HTC there will be no shortage of EVO 3D's.
Many people are acting like after 1 day you will not find one and that just will not be so.
#1 many people who got the evo are not changing.Yes we have most of us on here but the normal world person is not going to change just yet.
#2 The EVO was a all new thing.That phone was A FIRST.It was hyped like no other and there had not been many new phones before it so many people used there upgrades.
#3 People who got the EVO of them more then 50% do not have a upgrade to use.
you read on here about all the people getting extended but again in the real world not many people understand it can be done.
Lastly the phone has not had much fanfare.We on here and other sprint forums look at it totally different then the real world sprint people.
i called up my Best buy and my local RS and local Sprint store and between all 3 there was 10 pre orders total! and 2 of them were mine at Best buy.So besides me there was 8 others.
People going around saying they will only get as many as were pre ordered and a few extra is just not the case.
Sprint is doing these upgrades to get people to reup for 2 years and help sales of these new phones.
The EVO was a totally different ballgame then what the evo 3d will be.Will i get 1 day 1? Yes will there be a shortage? NO.
If you want to debate it go ahead but sprint has posted a few times already this will not be the case.
i mostly agree. I doubt there will be a shortage
But I also did preorder and I'll be at the store early on release day mainly because the radio shack I'm going to is super busy on a normal day and I work second shift so I'd like to get it done before i go to work.
Yes i will be also going early but those who can't get to best buy or RS or the sprint store on day 1 are not going to be SOL.
You MUST also understand and i know this to be fact! there are MANY and i say MANY sprint reps who work at sprint on HERE and sprint users who try and hype it for sales.
They have stock plus want more people in there there stores and will hype stuff.Heck on SU alone i know of 15 alone i have talked to on there.
So again if you cant get 1 day 1 i think you will have no problem day 2.
As amazing as this phone is, it won't sell as well as the EvO.
The Best Buy near me (Orange, California no less) only has about 20 preorders for the EvO 3D...a week after it was announced.
I went to preorder the EVO 2 days after it was announced last year, at the same store and there were 100 existing preorders.
Granted, there is more than one Best Buy, but I'm near a "HUB" in this city. People are aware, and don't really care as much.
The word EVO isn't as tantalizing as it once was. Cool phones though.
No shortages this year!
I disagree. The evo is still hard to get sometimes... so i don't see it being any different for the 3d.
Where? tell me where you can't get the evo? heck they lowered the price to 99$ and best buy online and stores have tons.
Sprint.com has not had a shortage in months.
Now if you are a sprint rep and want to hype what is just not there fine but please a shortage of evo's? check ebay if you want to see there is no shortage.Heck people with new evo's in box are under cutting each other on EBAY now cause of lack of new sales.
But please share with me where the shortage is for the current evo?
ahh ok a sprint rep lol.just got a IM saying the above me is a sprint rep no wonder the lie about a evo shortage lol when in fact there is plenty no matter where you look.
SO MR I WORK FOR SPRINT SHOW WHERE THE EVO SHORTAGE IS OR WAS IN THE LAST MONTH ANYWHERE LOL.
They didn't have it in stock online a couple weeks or maybe a little over a month ago.
Why so angry? Not like i am attacking you?
What? an im from who? wtf are you talking about? I don't work for sprint in any way or shape?
I called in a few weeks ago to see if they might offer me some type of deal and the guy on the phone told me they were oos...
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Where? tell me where you can't get the evo? heck they lowered the price to 99$ and best buy online and stores have tons.
Sprint.com has not had a shortage in months.
Now if you are a sprint rep and want to hype what is just not there fine but please a shortage of evo's? check ebay if you want to see there is no shortage.Heck people with new evo's in box are under cutting each other on EBAY now cause of lack of new sales.
But please share with me where the shortage is for the current evo?
ahh ok a sprint rep lol.just got a IM saying the above me is a sprint rep no wonder the lie about a evo shortage lol when in fact there is plenty no matter where you look.
SO MR I WORK FOR SPRINT SHOW WHERE THE EVO SHORTAGE IS OR WAS IN THE LAST MONTH ANYWHERE LOL.
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Ive been on my account online every week at least 1-2 times per week i check the other phones and the prices.
This is why i can say there was never a shortage in months on sprint.com of the evo.
But the new evo 3D has been said by high up sprint reps no shortage at all is expected and they were assured by HTC there would be no shortage.
In fact the EVO is more popular then the evo 3D as your average joe is not going to take the time to sell his EVO and then pay out for the EVO 3D.
I am just posting because many are trying to put the fear out there will be a shortage so people jump on it when they may want to wait a few days but are scared they will miss out.
Goodluck whichever way you guys go.
companies such as HTC don't make the same mistake twice. There will most likely be a surplus of Evo3d's.
I, for one, am not worried about getting one on launch day. I believe that there will be plenty of them available. I have yet to see a commercial from Sprint like I did for the EVO4G.
Sprint has learned its lesson from last year. They have been mass producing the EVO 3D since early May. There will be plenty to go around. Trust me
I'll know the exact numbers next Wednesday
Well the thing is there are 2 reasons there will be plenty avil.
With the evo shortage they already have told sprint there will be no shortage.
And unless you are on XDA SU or PPC Geeks and such not many outside that even know or care about it.
And those who own a evo again less then 50% have a upgrade avil to jump to it.
Will the phone be a winner? i think so.Will it sell out everywhere like the evo did day 1 and for weeks?
NO
I facking love that people are arguing whether there will a shortage or not.
Listen up, artficial shortages are done all the time so the product get deemed by the media "hot selling". HTC isn't relying on Samsung for their screens like last year however I'm sure stores are going to keep some stock in the back for a few days to "create a shortage". If I'm wrong, dont facking flame, its just a phone
That is why i posted the thread on other sites where more Sprint employees are they try and hype it just like in here.They want to create panic so everyone blows out there upgrade and once you do you have 2 more years unless you use a etf.
The thing is i will like this phone and i will use this phone.But i hate when people start the i am camping out stuff and so on because the fear of OOS hit them.
This will be a good phone but HTC will not let there be a shortage again like with the evo and already has told Sprint this will not happen.
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That is why i posted the thread on other sites where more Sprint employees are they try and hype it just like in here.They want to create panic so everyone blows out there upgrade and once you do you have 2 more years unless you use a etf.
The thing is i will like this phone and i will use this phone.But i hate when people start the i am camping out stuff and so on because the fear of OOS hit them.
This will be a good phone but HTC will not let there be a shortage again like with the evo and already has told Sprint this will not happen.
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Best advise I can give is to ignore it then, if they aren't hurting you it shouldn't matter. If you pre ordered you will be good, let the idiots camp out if they want... Heck, i'd even drive by and laugh at them. I know i'll be feeling comfy at home the night before and go pick mine up in the morning. Just remember that we will all have our sweet evo 3d's really soon and we can all relax
Of all the arguments to get into this is one of the dumbest imho.
Who cares?!
it doesn't matter in the end one bit. If you really want the phone youll find a way to get it period. If you dont, then you wont.
This is hardly worth drumming up the conversation about. I could care less if sprint employees are hyping it up to sell it and create a panic. Thats their damn job to begin with! And rdcrds argument about getting people to blow their upgrade is a little redic and meaningless. The ppl that want it will get it and the ones that dont, wont. end of story.
Who cares if ppl camp out anyway? let em be a apple like idiot camping out for phones.
I don't care if people camp out that is fine.The thread was not about people camping out.In fact i really only try and reply when someone has a question or says something.
But please do not get into a heated discussion about it.
Just to show you How sprint employees try and hype/make people panic is if you were to start a thread like this on SU.com the employees of Sprint go into the thread and start a flame war because on then the thread gets closed.It has happened many times in the past.
My only purpose of this thread really is to let people know who if they can't get it day 1 they will be avil with no shortage.Htc has told Sprint there will be plenty avil unlike the EVO launch.
Some people do not have the $50 to spare to put a pre order in and have to wait till launch to get it.I just hate sprint employee hypes who go on these forums and try to push a shortage when there just won't be 1.
Again completely pointless. If you want the phone your going to get it some way or another. If you dont then you wont.
pointless thread imho. least deff not worth its own thread. coulda just stated that you herd supply was going to be able to meet demands this time in the other threads. sorry just dont get the point of caring about sprint ppl hyping or trying to cause a panic over a device. who cares,
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Where? tell me where you can't get the evo? heck they lowered the price to 99$ and best buy online and stores have tons.
Sprint.com has not had a shortage in months.
Now if you are a sprint rep and want to hype what is just not there fine but please a shortage of evo's? check ebay if you want to see there is no shortage.Heck people with new evo's in box are under cutting each other on EBAY now cause of lack of new sales.
But please share with me where the shortage is for the current evo?
ahh ok a sprint rep lol.just got a IM saying the above me is a sprint rep no wonder the lie about a evo shortage lol when in fact there is plenty no matter where you look.
SO MR I WORK FOR SPRINT SHOW WHERE THE EVO SHORTAGE IS OR WAS IN THE LAST MONTH ANYWHERE LOL.
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When I checked online a couple of weeks ago at Sprint, the EVO was out of stock... In fact, just now is the first time I have seen it available on their site in awhile.
The EVO launch was a mess, there was a shortage from the beginning and they are just now catching up. There won't be a shortage of the EVO 3D as both Sprint and HTC will be better prepared for the launch.
A good friend of mine in KC, MO had to wait over 3.5-4 weeks to get an EVO. He was leaving AT&T & the iPhone and was bummed that they were out of stock for so long. I should also mention however that he was waiting for the white EVO.
I was debating ordering the evo 3d through sprint premier tonight, but I'm really interested in the s2, i'm on an older phone that I just can't hold for another month..
If the S2 is released on July 24th as expected, does anyone see any issues with switching to it when it may be just barely outside of the 30-day period?
I thought they said the s2 was going to be out around christmas time.
It's rumored that the phone will come out July 24th, but I wouldn't make plans according to that.
There's a 30 day satisfaction guarantee anywhere you buy, but if you exchange the phone with Sprint or Sprint.com, they will charge a $35 restocking fee. If you do so with BestBuy or RadioShack, there is no fee.
But if you order the E3d tonight, and the Within (GS2) comes out July 24th, it'll be just 3 days outside your 30 day period.
Yea, I guess i'm curious as to how lax they are with that policy. I've never worked with it before.
The SGS2 July 24 rumor is a highly suspect date. At this time, I believe that the rumor originated from one blog, mentoining two "independent" sources, both of which were Sprint employees. We haven't heard anything else since that time to confirm the information. There was one tidbit, however, that identified a different Samsung phone that might be released on the 24th. There was also another Sprint employee who claimed that the Within (Sprint's SGS2) would not come out until Q4 at the earliest.
Combine this with the fact that we have heard/seen nothing official from Sprint or Samsung regarding a release, even confirming plans for the phone, the July 24th date is highly suspect. The only other info leading to belief that the SGS2 will come out on Sprint as the Within is the ad for a 3rd party case, where it is mentioned.
We don't even know when the Photon will release, and that has been announced officially with specs, etc.
I wouldn't try to time my purchase/30 day plans on such flimsy information. They might be true, but there's a good chance you will be looking at July 24th without a significant move available, as far as superphones go on Sprint. We'll see.
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Yea, I guess i'm curious as to how lax they are with that policy. I've never worked with it before.
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They were not lax with me at all. I have the NS4G all the known issues, and they admitted to me that some phones were having these issues. However, they would not extend the 30 day trial. Some people have stated that they were able to get an extension, but I was not.
My guess is that we'll see the Within around September. I can wait for that. The 3d isn't much of an upgrade IMO.
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My guess is that we'll see the Within around September. I can wait for that. The 3d isn't much of an upgrade IMO.
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And the Sammy is?
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And the Sammy is?
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Yes. From all indications it is.
Don't count on any liberties with the 30-day return policy. If you just can't stand to go another month with the phone you have now, then wait as long as you can (a couple of weeks perhaps?) before dropping for the 3VO, that'll also give you a little time to get some user feedback from the folks who are getting theirs up front.
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Don't count on any liberties with the 30-day return policy. If you just can't stand to go another month with the phone you have now, then wait as long as you can (a couple of weeks perhaps?) before dropping for the 3VO, that'll also give you a little time to get some user feedback from the folks who are getting theirs up front.
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I'm going this route. If after a few weeks most of the 3VO owners are praising the device, I may cave and get one. Definitely not a launch day purchase though.
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Yes. From all indications it is.
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I'm not trying to start a fight, actually kind of curious. Maybe there is something about the SGS2 I dont' know, but how is it more of an upgrade than the Evo 3D is to the Evo 4g?
Evo 3d has dual core processor vs single core of original
Evo 3d has double ram of original
Evo 3d has qhd s-lcd vs wvga of Evo 4G, Galaxy S, Galaxy S2
Like I said not trying to start a fight, just honestly want to know what am I missing about the Galaxy S2 that is more of an upgrade vs it's predecessor than the Evo 3D is to it's predecessor?
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I'm not trying to start a fight, actually kind of curious. Maybe there is something about the SGS2 I dont' know, but how is it more of an upgrade than the Evo 3D is to the Evo 4g?
Evo 3d has dual core processor vs single core of original
Evo 3d has double ram of original
Evo 3d has qhd s-lcd vs wvga of Evo 4G, Galaxy S, Galaxy S2
Like I said not trying to start a fight, just honestly want to know what am I missing about the Galaxy S2 that is more of an upgrade vs it's predecessor than the Evo 3D is to it's predecessor?
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Great question! Now, who can answer that?
donatom3 said:
I'm not trying to start a fight, actually kind of curious. Maybe there is something about the SGS2 I dont' know, but how is it more of an upgrade than the Evo 3D is to the Evo 4g?
Evo 3d has dual core processor vs single core of original
Evo 3d has double ram of original
Evo 3d has qhd s-lcd vs wvga of Evo 4G, Galaxy S, Galaxy S2
Like I said not trying to start a fight, just honestly want to know what am I missing about the Galaxy S2 that is more of an upgrade vs it's predecessor than the Evo 3D is to it's predecessor?
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And here we go! j/k
I don't know what the big deal about the galaxy s2 is either. I hope it has a better radio in it than the NS4G.
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And here we go! j/k
I don't know what the big deal about the galaxy s2 is either. I hope it has a better radio in it than the NS4G.
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I'm not trying to start a fight, just want the fact that I am obviously missing. I know the Galaxy S2 has the higher internal storage, and may ship with exynos processor or tegra 2(which would be a shame if it's Tegra), but how is the Evo not an upgrade from it's predecessor when it bumps up every stat?
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I'm not trying to start a fight, just want the fact that I am obviously missing. I know the Galaxy S2 has the higher internal storage, and may ship with exynos processor or tegra 2(which would be a shame if it's Tegra), but how is the Evo not an upgrade from it's predecessor when it bumps up every stat?
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I know you aren't trying to start a fight just messing around. In my opinion you are not missing anything. I don't get it either.
how about wait a few days, let the reviews come in. decide, then get it. then if the G2 comes out on the 24th, you will be within the 30 days lol.
easy peasy
i see the evo 3D as on par with the sgs2. the gs2 might have diff processor and screen technology, but imo the evo 3d is an upgrade from practically any phone currently out. i have the thunderbolt at the moment and the specs of the 3d made me drool. really hoping that it doesn't turn out like the g2x cuz i really didn't notice better performance compared to the thunderbolt, plus i only got 2g.
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i see the evo 3D as on par with the sgs2. the gs2 might have diff processor and screen technology, but imo the evo 3d is an upgrade from practically any phone currently out. i have the thunderbolt at the moment and the specs of the 3d made me drool. really hoping that it doesn't turn out like the g2x cuz i really didn't notice better performance compared to the thunderbolt, plus i only got 2g.
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I'm not nuts about Tegra 2. It's still not as powerful as I was hoping it'd be. That's why I think it'll be a shame if Samsung can't produce enough of their processors and have to switch to Tegra 2 for the SGS2 US phones.
I bet they will intentionally release it outside of 30 days after the 3D, this way they don't have a bunch of spec-crazy people jumping ship just because it's the "next big thing". I would bet it won't hit until 2 months after the 3D.
Sprint doesn't want you returning one for another, they want the 3D to be their flagship phone for a while.
For those former evo owners were there lines at the sprint store. I'm not asking about iphone style lines, because if you think about it they are actually really really sad, but what should I be expecting with the evo 3d. There also doesn't seem to be the amount of promotion for the evo 3d that there was for the evo.
Fortunately the customers service branch of sprint agreed to allow me to upgrade both my phones ahead of my upgrade cycle but I am still unable to pre order from Amazon.
I can't answer about the lines, but I do want to correct one point though.
This phone has probably gotten more promotion prior to launch than the Evo. The Evo didn't really get a marketing push until after it was already launched. I remember seeing a few threads on the forums talking about how the Evo sales would have done even better if there had actually been some marketing behind it prior to release, and basically complaining about the lack of any marketing campaign for the Evo. It was a month or two later that you started seeing ads for the Evo on more than just one channel.
I worked at a one of the largest corp stores in the country during the evo release.
was only 3-4 people in line waiting, and if i recall one just wanted to pay his bill haha.
(now im not talking new york or LA) but we were a top 50 store sales/traffic
actually, the PRE had a much larger line, probably 30 people, we sold out after about 2 hours of being open.
android wasnt really HUGE at the evo release tho, so we'll see.
there could be a slight rush..but like you said, nothing compared to iPhone.
My friend got his evo from sprint on launch day last year
.and he was the first person in, and by the time he was done there were about 7 other individuals waiting.
But all that will probably depend on where you live and what not. In my metro area, there are 4 sprint stores, 3 radioshacks, and 3 bestbuys within ten miles away from my house. So I am confident there will be no issues here.
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I can't answer about the lines, but I do want to correct one point though.
This phone has probably gotten more promotion prior to launch than the Evo. The Evo didn't really get a marketing push until after it was already launched. I remember seeing a few threads on the forums talking about how the Evo sales would have done even better if there had actually been some marketing behind it prior to release, and basically complaining about the lack of any marketing campaign for the Evo. It was a month or two later that you started seeing ads for the Evo on more than just one channel.
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To be fair I really shouldn't have put that in there because since the evo was released I discontinued my cable subscription and now watch all my tv programming from the internet so that effectively puts me out of the mainstream consumption of traditional marketing. So I really can't gauge the amount of tv advertising the 3d is getting/
I do know is that android now has a customer base that it didn't really have when the evo was released. I purchased the htc hero as soon as they were released. I never received any kind of notification from sprint that the evo was being released but I have released at least 5 emails from Sprint about the Evo3d.
Is there any other observations about 1st day reception of the evo and predictions about the 3d?
Figures are not definitive but just a observation. I have a friend who is a district manager for a few Sprint stores in the Tri-State area of PA, DE & NJ where I live. Not corporate stores, but those authorized retail stores. A few of his stores reside in some of the more popular shopping malls in the area. Anyway I was at one of the stores yesterday picking up a new battery for my Epic & I asked how the 3D was selling compared to the Evo 4G & he said they weren't selling anywhere close to how the OG Evo did last year. Not even that many people coming in asking for it. He said a couple of the stores still had original stock from release day, where as last year they couldn't keep them in any of the stores. He also said that he has seen more returns for the phone also. Not for the locked bootloader but other reasons. So that magic number of 10%, that people around here keep tossing around as the percentage of people who actually want a unlocked bootloader may be actually higher when you factor in that the phone isn't selling like Sprint/HTC thought. Like I said in the begining, none of this is definitive, just a observation from a friend who is in the know, at least at the 10 or more stores he oversees.
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I dont think the bootloader has much if anything to do with it. The reason is simple really.. when the Evo came out last year it was the first and only of its kind. There werent any other 4G phones out with the massive screen. It took the other carriers a while to catch up but now you have Tmobile with its own Sensation, Verizon with its own Thunderbolt, Charge, Iphone and soon to be Bionic. AT&T with its own Infuse, Inspire, Atrix, Captivate, etc. So the Evo doesnt really have anywhere near as much luster now as it did a year ago. Add to that the fact that a ton of people are still locked into contracts and there's your answer.
I knew they didnt expect sales to be big when they allowed employees to get the phone only 3 days after it released so im really not surprised and I dont think they are either.
If anyone actually thought the 3d would sell better then the og EVO is dilusional.
The 3d wasn't as heavily marketed and hyped like the OG EVO also. And yea the EVO was first of its kind.
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I dont think the bootloader has much if anything to do with it. The reason is simple really.. when the Evo came out last year it was the first and only of its kind. There werent any other 4G phones out with the massive screen. It took the other carriers a while to catch up but now you have Tmobile with its own Sensation, Verizon with its own Thunderbolt, Charge, Iphone and soon to be Bionic. AT&T with its own Infuse, Inspire, Atrix, Captivate, etc. So the Evo doesnt really have anywhere near as much luster now as it did a year ago. Add to that the fact that a ton of people are still locked into contracts and there's your answer.
I knew they didnt expect sales to be big when they allowed employees to get the phone only 3 days after it released so im really not surprised and I dont think they are either.
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I totally agree. Back then the Droid and EVO where really the only ones that stood out...now the rest of the others played catch up, and the field is scattered with selection of phones that are nearly identical to the OG EVO. Now we have a huge selection of them AND we still have the OG EVO. Sales are good..nbut not nearly the amount of the original. Also...how many really have the cash to upgrade. If they do not have full upgrade? I mean...contracts are 2 years and many of them still have another year or so to go. I still have mine left with 14. Months to go. I paid cash for. mine and after I sell my OG EVO still cost me money. But I did not use a upgrade..beings I do not have one. My 2 cents worth
The EVO was under produced. That's why everyone was sold out...
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I hate to finally admit it, but my 2 3D's are going back tonight. I love the phone, We are taking them back simply because the data from Sprint in the Buffalo area is unusable - Web pages take minutes to load, cant stream radio, etc ...
All Sprint can tell me locally is 4G towers should be up by the end of the year - but by that point Ill be locked into a contract and if they fail to upgrade, Ill be stuck.
I hate that the return will reflect on the phone due to a return, but its not the phone in our case.
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I totally agree. Back then the Droid and EVO where really the only ones that stood out...now the rest of the others played catch up, and the field is scattered with selection of phones that are nearly identical to the OG EVO. Now we have a huge selection of them AND we still have the OG EVO. Sales are good..nbut not nearly the amount of the original. Also...how many really have the cash to upgrade. If they do not have full upgrade? I mean...contracts are 2 years and many of them still have another year or so to go. I still have mine left with 14. Months to go. I paid cash for. mine and after I sell my OG EVO still cost me money. But I did not use a upgrade..beings I do not have one. My 2 cents worth
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Sprint would have given you an upgrade if you would have asked for one.
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Don't forget that alot of evo4g users are in a 2yr contract and probably weren't aware of the option to upgrade to the 3d for a limited time. Also the evo4g may be enough phone for a lot of people as well.
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Consider also the fact that those who got the 4G are still on the 2 year contract. Those who actually lurk these boards may have taken advantage of the upgrade reset.
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Sprint would have given you an upgrade if you would have asked for one.
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I did....many, many times...at corporate stores..private ones and online. Then I figured...it was not worth to lose it. And the upgrade was just as expensive as to purchase one...400 for the evo 3d..subtract 250 for my old evo...150 dollars. I started with sprint nov of last year. 150 was just right to get me in.
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Don't forget that alot of evo4g users are in a 2yr contract and probably weren't aware of the option to upgrade to the 3d for a limited time. Also the evo4g may be enough phone for a lot of people as well.
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My thoughts exactly.
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I hate to finally admit it, but my 2 3D's are going back tonight. I love the phone, We are taking them back simply because the data from Sprint in the Buffalo area is unusable - Web pages take minutes to load, cant stream radio, etc ...
All Sprint can tell me locally is 4G towers should be up by the end of the year - but by that point Ill be locked into a contract and if they fail to upgrade, Ill be stuck.
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Where are you having trouble with the service? I moved from Buffalo not too long ago and I got great service from Sprint there. I used to live just off Hertel near Military and never had any issues. Really the only places that I didn't get good service were east of the zoo, and out past Amherst.
Anyway, on topic... Of course they didn't sell as well, as everyone else has stated, they just aren't as "wow" as they were last year. Many people also just simply don't have the full upgrade yet, and aren't willing to pay the extra money.
Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
I have to disagree on some of those points. I never said the bootloader had anything to do with it. I said that the supposed number of 10% of people who want a unlocked bootloader is a lot larger when you figure in that the phone hasn't sold a lot of units. I don't think people being locked into contracts had much to do with it. The Hero and Moment were big sellers and a lot of people upgraded from those phones to the Evo which came out barely a year later. (Hero - Oct. '09/Moment - Nov. '09/Evo 4G - June '10) And if you don't think that HTC/Sprint anticipated this being a big seller you are being foolish. What company doesn't bank on following a successful phone with another one? You think Apple goes into production assuming that the next iPhone isn't gonna sell at least the same amount if not more than the previous version? If that was the case why spend the money to develop and put in a new processor, GPU, screen, 3D camera, more RAM....Why even call it the Evo? You include all of those new features and call it the Evo hoping to bank on the name and success of the OG Evo IMO. I mean I'm no business major but that sounds like good business to me.
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Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
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Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
this is true bc i was conversing, friendly btw, with the girl at the sprint store i went to. long story short, i asked about reservation amounts. She said the Evo tore this phone apart in first day sales, not even close. Anyways to add a funny note, she goes okay im going to update your phone with this OTA. Im like no i dont want it thank you. Shes like why are you going to root it? I was like oh man if only my girl was interested in this stuff lol, na jk. But it was pretty cool to meet someone like that.
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Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
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I need a friend at a Sprint store. Any Sprint employee's in NC want to be my friend
So he doesn't sell... he does a lot of traveling... spends his time in a care or whatever he uses to travel. He looks at reports and goes around to make sure people are in uniform, the stores are clean and addresses any concerns with employees. I'd say less than 10% even know what a bootloader is... you're wrong, he's wrong, stupid thread that has nothing to do with anything. You just think you're right because you think he's "in the know"... Come on now...
There are more returns on the 3D? False.
4G outsold the 3D in mass numbers? True.
So let's say 30 - Evo 4G's were sold in a month and let's estimate that there is a 1 in 9 return rate... do you're at approximately... 3. So around 10%...
Let's say 10 - Evo 3D's sold in a month... and to be honest, I'm making these numbers up. But I can personally say that I've never seen one returned... So that makes it 0%. Maybe 1 might be returned in the next week and a half... but there's nothing proving that there are more returns...
No one in this thread, including myself has provided any sources for numbers. Everyone is pulling numbers out their asses.
Not a single 3D has been returned at the store I work at. That's a actual number. 0.
How many went out, I can't say. But I can say release day stock was sold out and fulfilled by pre-orders within a hour of store opening.
We've been lucky to keep 1-2 in stock.