Sony confirms Xperia Play will not get Android 4.0, cites stability concerns
By Chris Welch 05.25.2012
A day after word spread that Sony's Xperia Play had vanished from its list of incoming Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades, the company has come forward and confirmed that the gaming-centric handset will not be making the jump to Android 4.0. "After extensive in house testing with our developer teams and working with our partners, we have concluded that a consistent and stable experience, particularly with gaming, cannot be guaranteed for this smartphone on Ice Cream Sandwich," says the post at Sony's Xperia Product Blog. "Therefore, we will not make the Android 4.0 upgrade available for Xperia Play."
According to Sony, a beta test conducted on unlocked Play units brought about similar concerns from users and developers. The news doesn't bode well for a product once heralded as the company's flagship PS Suite hardware —and the only such device to offer physical gaming controls. It's hard to see how Sony could add much in the way of new features if it's cautiously leaving owners behind on Gingerbread in hopes of preserving a consistent user experience. Despite what's presented as good intentions, we doubt Sony's explanation will provide much solace to those who are now forever bound to Android 2.3.
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That's because they're not content in making a proper kernel and optimizing ICS for it's hardware. This is bogus.
They're plan of making cheapo ICS for the 2011 line of Xperia's failed because they know it just won't be up on par with Gingerbread.
They've done a terrible job with ICS for the other 2011 devices but it was permited at least for those as they're not gaming devices.
What I would like to know now is, if they'll bring 2.3.7 at least through an update with some fixed to the ROM. It's the least they could do after eating **** for almost an year with promises and bogus
Shame on you sony.
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Every single one of your posts oozes with intelligence and sofistication. Good job \sarcasm
I have no idea how some people still don't realise that it's not really Sony's fault. The problem is that the developers won't udate the Play optimized games for ICS so the phone will lose more than half of the game catalogie if it updates. Most of the Gameloft HD games don't work on ICS on any phone. If you really want ICS just install a custom ROM and that's it.
My friend installed official ICS on his Arc S and he reverted to Gingerbread less then a week later. Aside from the recent application menagment improvement it's really not that big of a deal, as it is we have a very optimized device, no need to fix what's not broken.
And for people asking for 2.3.7, read the changelogs and see what it brings. We'll never see it because it's not required on our phones. Cheers!
Delete thread please pax. At the very least this could have been put in the right section with the other people whining and posting the same thing.
Bull****.
If this was purported to be a "flagship" PS suite hardware, they should've done better than a f'kin Adreno 205 with a last gen 1Ghz Soc.
Sorry, but bull****.
You lose, Sony.
Again.
I really think it wasn't because of hardware...Sony must have cancelled because of the game contracts.
luizfilipel said:
I really think it wasn't because of hardware...Sony must have cancelled because of the game contracts.
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That's directly related to the hardware. Do you think game developers will spend precious time tweaking/tuning the hell outta their games so that it can run on the pansy ass Adreno 205 under ICS? hell no...
Now, if it was a decent SoC, they would have definitely considered.
So, the bottom line is : Sony failed in making their "flagship" a *real* Flagship... you know, something that can last f'kin atleast 1-2 years. But no... what did they do? Slapped a 1+ year OLD SoC in it and called it a "PS flagship".
It's the MSM8255. The HTC Desire HD had it in mid-2010, yep 2010. And the Play? Launched in mid 2011 with a f'kin one year old SoC.. flagship my ass.
I believe sony is right, the game dev's just aren't prepared to move all their xperia play games over to ICS, and from what we've seen, we don't really need their official ICS anyway, the community is doing fine without them. Supervenom's ICS AOKP Play! mod works just fine.
igor_anta said:
Every single one of your posts oozes with intelligence and sofistication. Good job \sarcasm
I have no idea how some people still don't realise that it's not really Sony's fault. The problem is that the developers won't udate the Play optimized games for ICS so the phone will lose more than half of the game catalogie if it updates. Most of the Gameloft HD games don't work on ICS on any phone. If you really want ICS just install a custom ROM and that's it.
My friend installed official ICS on his Arc S and he reverted to Gingerbread less then a week later. Aside from the recent application menagment improvement it's really not that big of a deal, as it is we have a very optimized device, no need to fix what's not broken.
And for people asking for 2.3.7, read the changelogs and see what it brings. We'll never see it because it's not required on our phones. Cheers!
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No one likes a big company lover .
Those games will get updates and they will run on ICS.
Fact is the ICS Sony cooked up sucks because it delivers way more horrible performance than Ginger.
Fact is even our ginger kernel is a froyo one with hacks to make it work for ginger.
Fact is our last update still needs improvements. By bringing 2.3.7 doesn't actually mean that the Google base has to bring improvements even though the code is cleaner and I have seen it working better than the older 2.3.4 even though changelog does not specify anything in that regard. They can just fix flaws and bring performance updates.
PS: Stop being the big head on a forum, the general public won't like you.
For me gb is great,and I love sony,more stable with hard games,
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1) This is NOT Development Oriented, it doesn't belong in this subforum.
2) THERE IS A STICKY IN GENERAL FOR THIS: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1673905
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....why don't Asus follow suit and compete with them? Surely they have their customers' best interests at heart?
I'm probably way off the mark here, being an amoeba in the Android pond. Not trying to stir emotions, just interested if anyone has a view on this.
acricketer said:
....why don't Asus follow suit and compete with them? Surely they have their customers' best interests at heart?
I'm probably way off the mark here, being an amoeba in the Android pond. Not trying to stir emotions, just interested if anyone has a view on this.
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In most people's opinions who are big into Android, custom roms on every device work better. It's for a variety of reasons. One really big reason is because as developers and custom android enthusiasts we can take risks. As a developer, we can customize a really nice rom, build to suit the needs of most of our users. It's always a give and take. You can bump up clock speeds, tweak frequencies, etc. Our users want performance, so we take some from the battery life category and give to the performance category. Or maybe we are building a slim rom with amazing battery life that doesn't have nearly as much eye candy and has auto sync settings modified, etc.
Asus doesn't have that ability. They have to build one piece of software that does everything pretty good and not much perfect. They can't release an update, and three days later release another update, and then another. Most people who buy an Android device aren't custom rom enthusiasts and don't give a darn what version of Android they are running as long as it's working like they want it too.
So Asus has to do months of testing, and tweaking, and testing more before they release something. And then that one something has to try to satisfy their entire population of users. So a manufacturer can't take the same risks that developers take all the time, because they have way more on the line and are catering to a buyer group that is largely going to run bone stock and doesn't know what a rom or kernel is, and may get really mad if they have better performance and a faster loading browser but their screen goes black for a second when they rotate orientation. Or if the lock/unlock button doesn't work, they will write nasty reviews about how their update just to make a browser that worked before work a little better, took away features that they had before.
With us, one screwup, even a big one, can cause us to need to update the rom version and add a few lines to the change log. With a company like asus, it can cost them millions in warranty claims and RMA's. Personally, I'm with you. Asus should slap a wookie rom on the prime and HTC should throw a bamf rom on their phones from the start, and we would have MUCH better phones, and updates ready the day they're legally allowed to go public. But their's a lot more at stake when you have to worry about bottom lines, warranties, R&D, quality control, etc.
Then their is also sales and marketing that effect things. Lets say a company like Asus has a tablet like the prime. And they have the new tfp 800 set to go on sale with Jelly Bean and because of technology and cost limitations, it has slightly better battery life and a better screen than the prime, and other than that it's almost the same tablet. But, they've been advertising the tfp 800 as the first 10 inch quad core Official Jelly Bean tablet. The developers may have already finished the beta testing on the prime, but if they release jelly bean on the prime, 6 weeks before the big TFP 800, then they will make a bunch of their prime customers happy and realize there's not much difference. But if they weight two months to drop jelly bean, they will have a lot of prime owners that have heard all the great jelly bean hype and don't want to wait that will go out and buy the TFP 800 plus all these new potential customers that want jelly bean on a 10 inch tablet when it launches and so they are required to buy the new tfp800 from asus, where if they would have released a jelly bean update and fixed all the issues on the prime before the 800 launched, a lot of their potential customers would just buy a secondhand prime that had the jellybean update, or decided it wasn't a big deal since the prime had it a few months ago and not make that impulse buy, etc.
Well then I guess we won't be seeing this anytime soon.
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Dammitz texstar, your pic was the first thing I saw when I opened this thread, my blood pressure went through the roof. Until I saw the context...
*cries*
Its a quite normal that custom ROMs work 'better' than stock roms
Problem in this case is: the stock rom is malfunctioning... users are forced to void warranty to fix it theirselves ....
why is asus not on the case?
I sure hope they are!!!
jellybean surprise around the corner, thats my guess ...
Tempie007 said:
Its a quite normal that custom ROMs work 'better' than stock roms
Problem in this case is: the stock rom is malfunctioning... users are forced to void warranty to fix it theirselves ....
why is asus not on the case?
I sure hope they are!!!
jellybean surprise around the corner, thats my guess ...
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In my personal experience, most custom ROMs have bugs and other peculiarities that most average users wouldn't want to deal with on a day to day basis. I am not saying that there aren't some great ROMs out there, but I agree with CharliesTheMan in that no ROM is without its trade-offs and often those trade-offs.
Here it is. Well crossing finges that somebody has done this in photoshop. Butt if arc s wont get... so we are stucked too
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We have a whole Xperia Ray supporting/ developing community. I think someone will do the "hard" work for everyone else here. Someone will port it (or at least some of the features) to xperia ray. I hope so!
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the next one says Xperia Mini Pro Won't Get JB
well
that's the fact
i assume all the 2011Xperia Line won't Get JB as they have the same Ram and CPU
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Here it is. Well crossing finges that somebody has done this in photoshop. Butt if arc s wont get... so we are stucked too
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no update to JB for 2011 xperia lineup..
http://www.gsmarena.com/2011_xperia...no_ics_for_optimus_2x_and_black-news-4570.php
what a stupid reply from that guy.
"we're always developing new phones and making sure they get the latest updates."
so he expect we should buy a new shiny phone everytime google updates android.
So bad of Sony. We middle class ppl can't buy every time a new higher end mobiles for each n every updates. This really hurts for every xperia 2011 model holders. Too bad.
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imho the ram is the problem, and teh single-core cpu.
ics was made for phones with dual-core cpu and 1gig of ram.
i'd be surprised if jb would run the same/better as ics on our phones.
and you have to admit, ics is remarkebly slower on our "cheap-ass" phones (mines a ray) as gb,
gb is fast as hell compared to ics.
even if i overclock my phone gb is still much faster @stock
an0nym0us_ said:
what a stupid reply from that guy.
"we're always developing new phones and making sure they get the latest updates."
so he expect we should buy a new shiny phone everytime google updates android.
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we can get custom JB rom .. and who cares about sony's JB update i am sure it will suck as ICS sony's update did before..
i am currently using Custom ICS rom as i didnt like sony's ICS update
well. sony's ics is (4.0.4) just as fine as any other ics rom offered here (imho), if you're uninstalling all the unnecessary ****, know what i mean?
running ics 4.0.4 from sony now, uninstalled all the bloatware i dont need, and its just as performant as any other ics rom offered here.
all those tweaks offered here are (imho) just eyewash, tried so many roms, tweaks and stufff, believe me, my stripped stock-ics is just as fast(slow) as any offered ics-rom for ray here.
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imho the ram is the problem, and teh single-core cpu.
ics was made for phones with dual-core cpu and 1gig of ram.
i'd be surprised if jb would run the same/better as ics on our phones.
and you have to admit, ics is remarkebly slower on our "cheap-ass" phones (mines a ray) as gb,
gb is fast as hell compared to ics.
even if i overclock my phone gb is still much faster @stock
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Dude JB runs with no lag on NEXUS ONE
One of the main problems is the companies always look for including their bloatware, no matter if it's unnecessary, bad and full of bugs; this slows the system performance dramatically. Yeah, nasty policies.
It seems like another war is coming, like when SE announced Xperia X10 wasn't going to be updated to GB. At the end, thanks for all the claims and petitions, they delivered it, but its version was terrible slow... However, that phone runs fine with AOSP.
So, the problem is NOT the hardware, but the bad software SONY delivers. I always wonder why SONY engineers have that level of incompetence.
Im still a SONY fan thanks to their beautiful models... But just for decisions like this, Im thinking about switching to HTC.
Btw, JB is supposed to be an ICS improvement, not a total system upgrade (this is confirmed by a friend of mine who owns a Galaxy Nexus and recently updated it to JB). More reasons to question SONY for not delivering.
realCyphox said:
imho the ram is the problem, and teh single-core cpu.
ics was made for phones with dual-core cpu and 1gig of ram.
i'd be surprised if jb would run the same/better as ics on our phones.
and you have to admit, ics is remarkebly slower on our "cheap-ass" phones (mines a ray) as gb,
gb is fast as hell compared to ics.
even if i overclock my phone gb is still much faster @stock
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But mine... Ics is so much faster and smoother than gb, and much greater performance... Browser is faster, Transition between page-to-pages or scrolling is so much faster...
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El Brillantinas said:
One of the main problems is the companies always look for including their bloatware, no matter if it's unnecessary, bad and full of bugs; this slows the system performance dramatically. Yeah, nasty policies.
It seems like another war is coming, like when SE announced Xperia X10 wasn't going to be updated to GB. At the end, thanks for all the claims and petitions, they delivered it, but its version was terrible slow... However, that phone runs fine with AOSP.
So, the problem is NOT the hardware, but the bad software SONY delivers. I always wonder why SONY engineers have that level of incompetence.
Im still a SONY fan thanks to their beautiful models... But just for decisions like this, Im thinking about switching to HTC.
Btw, JB is supposed to be an ICS improvement, not a total system upgrade (this is confirmed by a friend of mine who owns a Galaxy Nexus and recently updated it to JB). More reasons to question SONY for not delivering.
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Switching to HTC??
HTC One V have same spec with ray and they dont get JB, only One X and One S get JB
gederickson said:
Switching to HTC??
HTC One V have same spec with ray and they dont get JB, only One X and One S get JB
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Yup, I'm pointing to HTC One X. However, I'll give my lovely Ray to my girlfriend, so I'll still be in touch with SONY somehow...
Well, actually that'll happen depending of my economy haha.
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i think it's fake
Nexus s with 512mb ram...1Ghz processor...( the same specs as of 2011 xperia lineup) just git updated to jelly bean in India... So if it can handle jb why not xperia ray...? Sony is now a ****ty company...they underestimate there phones that's the reason its drowned...if not they someone else will make a rom for xperia... Moreover all the Sony stock roms suck... So it'll be better that some developer makes it...cuz he can understand a user's need...
shprakash said:
So bad of Sony. We middle class ppl can't buy every time a new higher end mobiles for each n every updates. This really hurts for every xperia 2011 model holders. Too bad.
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i'm totally agree with u dude .. its much more hard to have the new high-end phone for some people :crying:
Sony does NOT underestimate their phones.Its just like someone said here.. The want uz so buy new phones JUST to have the new JB update.. Its not that JB would be slow on 2011 Xperias.. thats ****. . I bet my ass that they had 4,1 for far longer that they announced it... just *****ng marketing.. "lets put 4.0 to all 2011 phones and we can USE the "new" 4.1 to get ppl top buy the new models... thats so cheap of sony but I bet my ass its just like this...
Not only SONY but every manufacturers are playing games,they want users to buy new phones instead of using their old phones. every one knows our phones are not so old that they cant handle JB,. even JB is more liter and faster then ICS its perfect for our low end phones.
Because Stock Android dont have custom skins and custom skins is hard to make it compatible with the newest android releases.. thats why nexus s can get ics jb...
and btw dont bother switching to htc.. u know the htc desire hd the flagship ? not getting ics .. and also sony has updated the entire 2011 line.. xcept play but have released a beta ics.. and samsung only updates flagship phones.. so galaxy s advanced? never gonna see the dessert.. stays on ginger..
Sony isn't favorable to update the old phones, after all is new which it is better and so on. As well as to all other producers money is necessary to them. It is a lot of money.
I see you have ambitions to become a much bigger player in the Android smartphone market, competing with the likes of HTC and Samsung.
Well, you have started doing the right things, for example, you have a great lineup of phones, and you offer the ability to unlock the bootloader (abiet forfeiting our warranty, but that's no different to what HTC do). However the key area in which you are failing is the key area where ALL Sony products fail. SOFTWARE.
If you truly want to get some mainstream love, you need to be investing in software, not just on mobile, on all your products. However on Android, you need to be talking about Jellybean, and you need to be aiming to get it out on your flagship devices before Samsung does. It's really that simple. If you demonstrate prompt and reliable software updates to the latest OS, then consumers will come.
You also have to understand, that now Jellybean has been out for several months, and there are devices already running it (abiet Nexus devices), it's always going to be a hard sell to try and sell a ICS based device, and you are going to get slaughtered by the press for this (much more than other companies doing the same, simply because you are Sony and you aren't American).
A small chance Sony reads this?
Try Sony forums.
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sorry... but till Gingerbread, the Sony (Erricson) software ist one of the best optimiced firmwares around... not that Big Bloatet batterydrain like HTC Sense **** and not so ugly and buggy like Touchwitz... And ICS is just startet and i belive in further FW Releaces, ICS will be great like Gingerbread Firmware.
i meen Samsung kicks out new releases very fast, but with uch more bugs like Sony. And when we talking about optimation - Sony kicks in the Ass of Samsung and HTC..
for real: no other firmware (im talking bout Gingerbread, not for the new ICS) is so fast, battery optimiced and beautiful like the Sony Stock Firmware...
i dont care about the newest of the newese from the newest (and if, here the XDA Devs has every newest ****t better than the Manufactures), i am carring about good working, good looking Software... thats the reason why im Changed fom HTC to Sony (Ericsson) and thats the reason why im stay with Sony (okay, there a couple of reasons more like Greenness)
let Sony a bit time to made a good Firmware out of ICS/JB - thats better than a to early, not good working Firmware
A perfect phone would have Sony's design, HTC's Sense (4.0+) and Samsung's hardware.
romiltherock said:
A perfect phone would have Sony's design, HTC's Sense (4.0+) and Samsung's hardware.
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Are you kidding. Sense is a joke compared to Sony software or even default android.
romiltherock said:
A perfect phone would have Sony's design, HTC's Sense (4.0+) and Samsung's hardware.
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I simply so love their design that I bought 2010,2011 and now 2012 Xperia Phone
JB coming to SGS2 in Sept-Nov, take note Sony
JB incomming...
zed011 said:
JB coming to SGS2 in Sept-Nov, take note Sony
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About same time for XPS. Sony is working hard on software quality and update speed.
zed011 said:
JB coming to SGS2 in Sept-Nov, take note Sony
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Samsung had promised "early 2012" ics for galaxy note.
How well that work out then?
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About same time for XPS. Sony is working hard on software quality and update speed.
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But Galaxy S2 is a previous generation phone that is going to receive JB. Will Arc S receive JB? Time will tell but for now all I hear is silence.
Don't get me wrong, I am a Xperia user but this silence is making me impatient with Sony. Looks and hardware can only get you so far without software support
I dont think that Sony makes our screens or hardware,so you shouldnt say that this is Sony fault.
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I dont think that Sony makes our screens or hardware,so you shouldnt say that this is Sony fault.
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Huh????
Sony design, build quality and camera is what keeps me using Sony handsets.
Obviously they don't make all the components that go in them. ( imagine the size of the factory they would need)
Apple source components from other companies as do all other handset manufacturers.
You are stepping out of the point of this thread though.
The point being made is that Sony are slow on the update scene.
And as we see from the replies, as usual we get an instant debate.
Yes...having the latest version of android is important to some. And yes it CAN be a deal breaker in the choice of handset to opt for but...
Anyone choosing a handset purely for a new OS isn't doing their homework or that impressed by hardware.
Same as someone choosing a quad core handset running gb isn't that interested in os.
I personally would like prompt updates to my OS but NOT if it is detrimental to the performance of my handset be it via bugs or tweaks that decrease functions in certain areas.
Ok so htc are quick to update but do you want an HTC?
Seriously?
They are ok but not as refined or pretty as the Sony handsets.
And their Desire Hd ( 1 of last years flagships) won't be getting ICS.
So that tells me that HTC are just as capable of OS issues as Sony.
Nexus are rebranded phones made by other companies.
They are only updated quickly because google push for it.
Doesn't mean they are better than Sony, Samsung, HTC ( which used to make the nexus handsets), or huwai. I will leave Motorola out of this list because they fail in hardware, OS and UI and updating areas. ( care to argue? Buy 1 and see for yourself)
Closing statement...
Why rush out a buggy Jelly Bean and get bad press when you can push out a polished Jelly Bean and get less bad press?
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Kiefels said:
Huh????
Sony design, build quality and camera is what keeps me using Sony handsets.
Obviously they don't make all the components that go in them. ( imagine the size of the factory they would need)
Apple source components from other companies as do all other handset manufacturers.
You are stepping out of the point of this thread though.
The point being made is that Sony are slow on the update scene.
And as we see from the replies, as usual we get an instant debate.
Yes...having the latest version of android is important to some. And yes it CAN be a deal breaker in the choice of handset to opt for but...
Anyone choosing a handset purely for a new OS isn't doing their homework or that impressed by hardware.
Same as someone choosing a quad core handset running gb isn't that interested in os.
I personally would like prompt updates to my OS but NOT if it is detrimental to the performance of my handset be it via bugs or tweaks that decrease functions in certain areas.
Ok so htc are quick to update but do you want an HTC?
Seriously?
They are ok but not as refined or pretty as the Sony handsets.
And their Desire Hd ( 1 of last years flagships) won't be getting ICS.
So that tells me that HTC are just as capable of OS issues as Sony.
Nexus are rebranded phones made by other companies.
They are only updated quickly because google push for it.
Doesn't mean they are better than Sony, Samsung, HTC ( which used to make the nexus handsets), or huwai. I will leave Motorola out of this list because they fail in hardware, OS and UI and updating areas. ( care to argue? Buy 1 and see for yourself)
Closing statement...
Why rush out a buggy Jelly Bean and get bad press when you can push out a polished Jelly Bean and get less bad press?
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really?
Sony's ics release on the xps was full of issues and so was there most recent release for the xperia p (gingerbread) that left the phone basically unusable as a phone!
people on here talk of 'lets wait and get a fully optimized release' and that it will be worth the wait but im inclined to not agree. Just my opinion of course but all the most recent phones i have had from sony (currently own xps) have had fantastic hardware and awefull software...to the point where actually i cant put up with it any longer and end up getting rid of it for something else. Im sure i wont be the only one in this regard also.
Great design and hardware etc will only go so far before the thing pisses you off so much that you cant put up with it any longer!
this thread is stupid
In the past:
processors were minimal (custom kernels and overclocking with CM helped fill in the gaps)
bloatware choked performance due to lack of space (CM eliminated bloatware)
GUI's were clunky and unintuitive (simplicity of CM, i.e. basic Android, was a necessity)
manufacturers added no value with their launchers and modifications (CM eliminated the manufacturer's oft ill conceived changes)
software updates lagged far behind Google updates.
And now:
processors work as is
space is plentiful, bloatware is not an issue
GUI's actually work
manufacturers are adding functionality
software updates are more current with Google changes.
So, I have to ask, what does CM bring to the table? When I put it on the Note 2, CM eliminated functionality without adding any improvements. I can't see where it would add anything to the Sony Xperia Ultra. I can see how it would take functionality away just like it did with the Note 2.
CM has redefined itself as an operating system. Its goal is to be the operating system for hardware manufacturers just like Android and Apple. Smart move. The CM we knew is no longer needed. Out of the box Samsung, HTC and Sony premium smart phones actually perform well, are being updated on a regular basis and have manufacturer added value. We have to think of CM as being the OEM operating system, not a replacement for Sony, Samsung and HTC Android operating systems.
CM is adding an app to the play store that will make it easy to install CM to devices. I see that as an acknowledgement to where it came from, not a step to its future. It will not be long before we buy Samsung, Sony and HTC phones with CM as the operating system.
I love Cyanogen. And is my point why I love android.
But unfortunately they trying to support many devices and they lose quality.
I remember how we was happy with G1 to see crazy benchmarking with Cyanogen., now it's lower than stock They said Sony is very friendly with the developers (source etc) but I remember Cyanogen on Xperia Z....it was bad experience I ever taste. And then it was a scandal with Samsung. They promise to stop supporting...... but as you see cyanogen is more business now than love.
And I know many developers who got same opinion as me.
But we still love them and we will love them.
While I agree with a lot of what you say... the note2 was very different. any device that has another piece of hardware that you use with it for a purpose, then CM wont work 'stand alone'. Samsung's note applications were great and thats where CM was left standing and waiting....
With the Ultra, it doesn't have any specific apps that take advantage of the 'sketch' application. There are loads that do the same, and even better on the playstore.
I can see CM being a clean neat feel. However it will need to be cleaner and smoother than the xperia UI for it to be a real advantage to flash.
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While I agree with a lot of what you say... the note2 was very different. any device that has another piece of hardware that you use with it for a purpose, then CM wont work 'stand alone'. Samsung's note applications were great and thats where CM was left standing and waiting....
With the Ultra, it doesn't have any specific apps that take advantage of the 'sketch' application. There are loads that do the same, and even better on the playstore.
I can see CM being a clean neat feel. However it will need to be cleaner and smoother than the xperia UI for it to be a real advantage to flash.
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I don't know, I prefer AOSP, so even if there's nothing else offered by CM, I'd still rather run it than Sony's ROM (not that this phone has a bad ROM; in fact, I've been surprisingly happy with it out of the box).
I'm not a fan of any manufacturer skin out there, so CM is what i flash when i want a "pure" and light ROM. It's all about looks and feel for me, and since CM is a barebone experience, i can make it my own from scratch. I have a Galaxy Note, and i've used CM on it for the past 15 months. I quickly noticed that i didn't use any of Samsung's bloatware or any other Samsung features, so why should i have to deal with it? Why should i let that crap run in the background? I'd rather just flash something that's completely "naked" from the start, and install and modify the things I WANT and need, not what Samsung want, or Sony, or HTC etc.
Granted, Sony isn't that bad when it comes to their custom skin. It's pretty light, and they haven't given Disco Stu a job as a UI designer (cough, Samsung), so i guess i'll keep my Ultra (soon to arrive) pretty stock in the beginning, and just install Nova when i've had enough of Sony's launcher. When i'm sick and tired of the whole Sony experience, i'll move on to CM.
CM of the past is gone?
i agree, because its moving to the future... cyanogenmod inc. ftw!
I do understand what the OP trying to say about the past. Because we needed so much modification to the software to make the phone run smoothly, and Android was very fragmented when it came to finding apps for your purpose. I had the HTC Desire PVT4, and my dad PVT1 with S-OFF and it was so much fun! This was when Android and the community was at it's best!
But today Android is more stable, it runs more independent, It's a lot faster. BUT what I get from it is the clean look, the speed and stability.
And I get my chance to customize my phone to my taste. Not how SONY want it, or HTC want it or how Samsung want to brag about their animations and proprietary apps. If someone tries to make a phonecall from my device, they can't..because they are not familiar to the look of my device and that's a good thing because I have a taste. I don't want the guy on the bus sitting next to me or behing me to have the exact same UI and wallpaper as me!!
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CM of the past is gone?
i agree, because its moving to the future... cyanogenmod inc. ftw!
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Even this post of mine that i'm typing in the present is now in the past.
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lol:good:
But the one click installation is nice!!
Hello forum.
I was wondering will this mdpi phones get Kit Kat (4.4) update. I own SE Live with Walkman and I was searching a little on google about this update and I saw that "outdated" phones will get this update too. So my question is: Is there anyone who can answer this question?
Thank You.
I think they will not get the upgrade to Android Kitkat. If Sony didn't give us the Jelly Bean then how about the Kitkat?
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Hello forum.
I was wondering will this mdpi phones get Kit Kat (4.4) update. I own SE Live with Walkman and I was searching a little on google about this update and I saw that "outdated" phones will get this update too. So my question is: Is there anyone who can answer this question?
Thank You.
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if were lucky & find some one to develop it -to use- on our devices, like now mike with JB 4.3 does, maybe yes , but it wil be unofficial..
other point is the HW side if there big problems with some incombability or other probs even very good devs cant do nothing-
at now all is speculation. lets wait as big brother google releases the 4.4 repo than we can say SOMETHING aboth 4.4 on our devices
Hopefully someone will release a Rom
Our 2011 devices never get old :thumbup:
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Maybe you are right, but here (goo. gl/s1Myfp) they say that: "... Xperia mid-range phones: Xperia M, C, SP, L, S, SL, U and many more" will get this update. I don't know what day think with "many more" but I hope that they will make official update for our phones. Google says: For Android KitKat: “It’s our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody.”. I really hope that we will get this update
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Maybe you are right, but here (goo. gl/s1Myfp) they say that: "... Xperia mid-range phones: Xperia M, C, SP, L, S, SL, U and many more" will get this update. I don't know what day think with "many more" but I hope that they will make official update for our phones. Google says: For Android KitKat: “It’s our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody.”. I really hope that we will get this update
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i think many more just for Sony phone, not Sony Ericsson phone (like we use now :good but just hope for amazing developer made this update for our 2011 MDPI Xperia :victory:
Apparently KitKat will have a lower memory footprint than previous Android versions-but this is speculation as of now. Even so it is the kernel mainly which has lowered RAM usage hence if we (Xperia 2011) were to receive KitKat (which were not) then we would also need the new kernel-which obviously isn't going to happen. I personally don't see Sony updating older devices to KitKat even though it is more suitable for lower end devices-this includes our 2011 Xperia's but also 2012 Xperia's, I can only see the 2013 range getting updated to KitKat.
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Maybe you are right, but here (goo. gl/s1Myfp) they say that: "... Xperia mid-range phones: Xperia M, C, SP, L, S, SL, U and many more" will get this update. I don't know what day think with "many more" but I hope that they will make official update for our phones. Google says: For Android KitKat: “It’s our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody.”. I really hope that we will get this update
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LoL....SONY has left ERICSSON a long time ago so don't expect that SONY will give Xperia 2011 update for KitKat...
also your info is wrong....those Xperia mid range phone : M, C, L and T are getting android v4.3 not KitKat v4.4....even Sony high-end phone : Z, Z ultra, ZL, and ZR are getting android v4.3....
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LoL....SONY has left ERICSSON a long time ago so don't expect that SONY will give Xperia 2011 update for KitKat...
also your info is wrong....those Xperia mid range phone : M, C, L and T are getting android v4.3 not KitKat v4.4....even Sony high-end phone : Z, Z ultra, ZL, and ZR are getting android v4.3....
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yeah, agree sony will never do more a update on our PHONES :'( ....
our only hope is cm or private devs .... btw @iPusak Gaoq™ why xperia T is noted twice, once with update and one with NO update !?!?
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yeah, agree sony will never do more a update on our PHONES :'( ....
our only hope is cm or private devs .... btw @iPusak Gaoq™ why xperia T is noted twice, once with update and one with NO update !?!?
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Haha...probably a mistake in the table (putting Xperia T twice)
i believe if Xperia TX doesn't get an update then Xperia T won't get an update too....
How many updates where done by Sony for the Mini Pro, two? From Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich? Did they skip Honeycomb?
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How many updates where done by Sony for the Mini Pro, two? From Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich? Did they skip Honeycomb?
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Honeycomb was only for tabs,not for phones
Ah I see, thank you. So one update from Gingerbread to ICS. Was there ever a Sony device with longer support? I guess Nexus devices are the ones to choose if you want a long term support?
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Ah I see, thank you. So one update from Gingerbread to ICS. Was there ever a Sony device with longer support? I guess Nexus devices are the ones to choose if you want a long term support?
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Its not only about Sony. Samsung also does the same. its a clever tactic to promote the new devices made by the two companies by reducing long term support to older devices. That is where rooting,flashing custom roms come into picture. Of course,more than long term support NEXUS has lot of other advantages as well
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Its not only about Sony. Samsung also does the same. its a clever tactic to promote the new devices made by the two companies by reducing long term support to older devices. That is where rooting,flashing custom roms come into picture. Of course,more than long term support NEXUS has lot of other advantages as well
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Hmmm...ALL phone manufacture do the same, not just Sony and Samsung...its not clever tactic but it is just Marketing Strategy...every penny you spend buying a new phone is a profit for them...if they keep updating older devices for FREE to keep up with the current android evolution, then who want to buy their new phone lineup?? people will stick with their old devices rather than spending money to buy a new one...the more user stick with their old devices, the LESS profit the manufacture made....smartphone are not like a car....
Nexus in the other hand is different...Nexus is the FLAGSHIP for GOOGLE...as the FLAGSHIP, Nexus phone will always get the first/latest update from GOOGLE...
iPusak Gaoq™ said:
Hmmm...ALL phone manufacture do the same, not just Sony and Samsung...its not clever tactic but it is just Marketing Strategy...every penny you spend buying a new phone is a profit for them...if they keep updating older devices for FREE to keep up with the current android evolution, then who want to buy their new phone lineup?? people will stick with their old devices rather than spending money to buy a new one...the more user stick with their old devices, the LESS profit the manufacture made....smartphone are not like a car....
Nexus in the other hand is different...Nexus is the FLAGSHIP for GOOGLE...as the FLAGSHIP, Nexus phone will always get the first/latest update from GOOGLE...
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Haha..did i say anything different?
Not from sony but custom roms would be soon available
Kiyongo said:
Hello forum.
I was wondering will this mdpi phones get Kit Kat (4.4) update. I own SE Live with Walkman and I was searching a little on google about this update and I saw that "outdated" phones will get this update too. So my question is: Is there anyone who can answer this question?
Thank You.
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kitkat is less memory hungry too Waiting for Cynogenmod