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I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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This is agreed up to a point. Sooner or later they will be creating apps and OS' that will truly utilize the full dual cores potential within the phone. I personally believe that up until that point the OP is 100% right on. But once this does happen, these apps will become more and more processor heavy. And once that happens, I believe we'll be back in the same boat as before and 1.2 vs. 1.7 will actually make a bit of a difference to the typical end user (and not just by benchmark enthusiasts).
The only reason I believe this to be true is look at how PCs and laptops evolved. We got dual core processors and apps weren't quite using the full potential, then as time went on and programmers started utilizing the full processing capabilities of dual/quad cores (& as these processors became more and more common) the differences began to matter again. That's just my 2 cents & I could be completely wrong, but just wanted to share my thoughts. Good topic though
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mitchellvii said:
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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lol i did this once gotta love having multiple tabs and think you clicked on the right one ya? least thats what happend to me when i did it
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
I kinda agree with you in the matter of it not making a HUGE difference. But when I'm overclocked to 1.7, I do notice that it seems to scroll smoother. But that's the only difference I can see.
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I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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motoelliot said:
I'm comin from a heroc running 768 so 1.2g MORE than enough for me. Besides any faster an yer batterys gonna last w couple hours.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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This would be my philosophy. A 1.2 GHz Dual Core is absolutely insane compared to what us Hero users used to have to deal with. My phone couldn't even handle 768, it was stable at 691.
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Yeah... My poor heros still mad at me.
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I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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felacio said:
I have my 3D oc'ed to 1.5 and ever so slightly undervolt to 1175000 (too many zeroes?)
Totally stable for me. Battery doesn't seem effected much.
Of course I haven't done heavy gaming yet. So. I dunno. I'm still in the honeymoon phase of just being Able to overclock, ya know. Lol.
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I dont know what the stock voltage is, but wouldnt this essentially balance out the extra battery draw from running a slightly higher clock?
Faster, Stronger .. make it so.
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I've overclocked mine a few days, now I'm at stock 1.2 almost no difference. Running the script for overclock is nice though because it allows the use of apps like setcpu. That way profiles can be set for temperature and battery charge level.
As for overclocking because its awesome fast... No need, sweet the way it is.
mitchellvii said:
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I agree. It doesn't feel much if any faster and is probably needlessly using excess battey.
On the otherhand, I find there to be a pretty big difference between driving 120, 150, or even 170 mph.
mitchellvii said:
I've run my E3D stock at 1.2 Ghz and I've run it overclocked under temp root at 1.7 Ghz. Sure my benchmarks are higher @ 1.7, but as a practical matter, do I notice the phone working any faster?
Not really.
It is like driving 150 vs 120. 150 is faster but does it really seem that much faster? (I've driven both speeds and I can tell you it doesn't). At some point our phones are "fast enough" for the software we throw at them. Now I admit I'm not a phone gamer so I cannot comment on the effect of overclocking on games, but just day-to-day desktop stuff, nah, no difference as far as I can tell.
Add to this that it is likely that additional speed is chewing through more battery faster and it hardly seems worth it. Without upping the voltage, your phone will likely be more unstable overclocked and with more voltage will likely have a shorter life or get cooked altogether.
For me, I'll probably just leave the speed stock.
I'm not saying I am "right" about this. Just my opinion at this point in time. YMMV.
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
bavman said:
I agree with you. Even in the games i play there is almost no difference, except that the battery gets drained faster because of the higher voltage.
P.s. wrong section, rable, rable, rable
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You goto KU?
Nice internet speeds, dorm/campus internet sucked when I was there
Once there's permanent root and htc releases the kernel source, will our phones be able to be over clocked higher then 1.7?
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I overclock because it makes my friends with lame iPhones jealous.
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Y'all probably thought this was another one of those "OMG my speeds are terrible! the photon 4g's speeds aren't terrible so why are my speeds garbage?!?!?!?!" If that's what you expected...well...I'm sorry that's what our General section has become. Anyways, let me go to my point:
So I was looking into my 3G speeds..they've been terrible lately (of course)..so I'm just dicking around with my phone trying to get it right...
I found out that the 3G speeds on the dual core kernels is a lot better than stock. So that got me wondering "maybe the 3G relies more on the second processor and the reason why the dual core kernels have better speeds is because the second processor is always active." I've been going back and forth on dual core and stock and it looked like it was holding up but I started thinking "that can't be right" so...I went with the stock kernel and just put it on performance and went back to testing...and sure enough, the 3G speeds are better. Not insanely better but before putting it on performance my ping was around 1200-1800ms...after, its around 700-900ms.
Here's why I think our speeds suck...it's because HTC is actually making decent kernels. Our phones sleep like babies and with the ondemand governor...the up threshold is at 90 by default...so that prevents the phone jumping up to 1.2GHz all of the time. But I'm thinking that's actually hurting us because our phones actually have to do some real work before it goes from 400MHz to 1.2GHz. So we could be in the browser with the ondemand governor and the up threshold at 90 and trying to open a page...our processor might jump to 800MHz but since that's not a lot of power...our 3G speeds will suffer. Now if it were just at 1.2GHz to begin with, it'd be a lot better.
So if what I'm thinking is right...we probably aren't even benefiting from having our CPU's hang around lower frequencies because if my ping is 1800ms...my 3G has to be on longer just to load up a page when compared to a phone with a ping of 900ms...So I'm starting to think that we are actually hurting ourselves by trying our hardest to save as much battery as possible.
Ill flash a dual core kernel now and post before and after results.
Thanks for the info. My 3g speeds are making me mental (I didn't update prl either)
chefdave12118 said:
Ill flash a dual core kernel now and post before and after results.
Thanks for the info. My 3g speeds are making me mental (I didn't update prl either)
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Thank you sir. My speeds are making me crazy as well...and I just decided to post this because I know it'll get people testing on it too that way we can all come to a conclusion on SOMETHING. We've all been saying our 3G speeds suck for a while and now it's time to pinpoint the problem.
And I think I owe the thread this much:
I live in Dallas and at my house I was working with 3-4 bars when using the speedtest app.
First I just used the ondemand governor at 1.2GHz and up threshold of 90 and got ~1200ms the first and second time and then ~1800ms the third time.
I went to the dual core kernel that I think smokey made...and I used his VOC one (because you can mess with setCPU with that one) and my ping was around 400-600ms.
I went back to my stock kernel and lowered the up threshold to 40 and I was still getting around 1000ms-1500ms...averaging basically 1200ms.
I put it on performance and at first got ~700ms then ~900ms then 400-600ms and I got a best of ~300ms.
Also:
"In most constant-voltage cases it is more efficient to run briefly at peak speed and stay in a deep idle state for longer (called "race to idle"), than it is to run at a reduced clock rate for a long time and only stay briefly in a light idle state"
I read taht from wikipedia. That's why I'm against setCPU profiles with the screen off. It is in fact better to use those profiles with 2.3.x than 2.2 because I remember 2.2 wasn't really killing any apps so if you were awake with the screen off..you pretty much stay awake. But it's also important to note that it does take longer for the processor to go into an idle mode if you are using any governor other than performance because of the fact that you have to scale up...and depending on how the dev decided to "conserve" battery, it might take a really long time.
But at the same time..you're using unnecessary power when at 1.2GHz to handle something real small...but since the whole CPU isn't being used to handle that (according to System Panel), and at an increased frequency like 1.2GHz...you'd be able to knock the task out quicker...idk, I'm just thinking.
Just wanted to show you my before now because it may be a few minutes to post my after.
Notice that teensy weeny 1 bar next to my 3g. That's pretty normal when I'm home (thank god for wifi). Ill be back!
ms79723 said:
Also:
"In most constant-voltage cases it is more efficient to run briefly at peak speed and stay in a deep idle state for longer (called "race to idle"), than it is to run at a reduced clock rate for a long time and only stay briefly in a light idle state"
I read taht from wikipedia. That's why I'm against setCPU profiles with the screen off. It is in fact better to use those profiles with 2.3.x than 2.2 because I remember 2.2 wasn't really killing any apps so if you were awake with the screen off..you pretty much stay awake. But it's also important to note that it does take longer for the processor to go into an idle mode if you are using any governor other than performance because of the fact that you have to scale up...and depending on how the dev decided to "conserve" battery, it might take a really long time.
But at the same time..you're using unnecessary power when at 1.2GHz to handle something real small...but since the whole CPU isn't being used to handle that (according to System Panel), and at an increased frequency like 1.2GHz...you'd be able to knock the task out quicker...idk, I'm just thinking.
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That's some good thinking and good info.
Rootyourdroid.net. My nephews blog.
I've noticed a little bit of a difference but I also know sometimes it takes time for a kernel to settle in.
Both screen shots are from the same place in my house.
This is a placebo. You can update your prl to 00001 and see a real speed increase. The real problem is with sprints backhaul network. With the same kernel I go from 100 kbps on sprint to 1000 kbps on Verizon. Fact.
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jason62082 said:
This is a placebo. You can update your prl to 00001 and see a real speed increase. The real problem is with sprints backhaul network. With the same kernel I go from 100 kbps on sprint to 1000 kbps on Verizon. Fact.
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What are the chances of sprint finding out? I really don't want to send one of my kids to Verizon so I can keep the Evo 3d.
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What are the chances of sprint finding out? I really don't want to send one of my kids to Verizon so I can keep the Evo 3d.
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You see, the only real problem is that if you roam too much on one of those PRLs (and you're always roaming, technically) Sprint will tell you that you're roaming too much and they'll drop you if it continues. If it does, then they'll send you a letter informing you that your service will be terminated and they give you X amount of days to find a new service before they officially discontinue your service. Those PRLs are great because I get excellent service, but if you plan on using 3G like crazy (even in WiFi spots) expect that letter. I never noticed any difference in my speeds and only used the PRL for a day or two, but if you like it go for it. It should also be noted that some guys have been using the PRL hack for around a year without anything to show for on Sprint's side, in terms of angry letters and whatnot, so you may be fine. It's all preference.
Hmmmmm. I've been with sprint for 10 years. I'm gonna have to think about that one. If I could get 4g from it (I know I can't), it would be a no brainer. But to chance losing sprint may not be worth a few more kbps.
Edit. You know what really grinds my gears? (Everyone knows where that's from). Is my niece is visiting and she has a thunderbolt. I just ran speed tests on her 4g and my 3d over wifi and she wooped me by almost 4 mbps. Just ain't fair.
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chefdave12118 said:
Hmmmmm. I've been with sprint for 10 years. I'm gonna have to think about that one. If I could get 4g from it (I know I can't), it would be a no brainer. But to chance losing sprint may not be worth a few more kbps.
Edit. You know what really grinds my gears? (Everyone knows where that's from). Is my niece is visiting and she has a thunderbolt. I just ran speed tests on her 4g and my 3d over wifi and she wooped me by almost 4 mbps. Just ain't fair.
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It's so frustrating, Sprint's overloaded network needs a biiiggg tuneup. And that announcement they're supposed to make coming up soon about their network (from an article I read on Engadget a week or so ago) hopefully will let us know about LTE integration or somehow fixing our crawling data speeds... but hey, you could give the 00001 PRL a run and if they tell you that you're roaming too much then drop the PRL, and go back to normal ones. I personally don't think it's worth it but also I spend most of the day in school (with WiFi) or at home (with WiFi) so it doesn't affect me too much. But not even getting 4G at home or school sucks a lot.
so if your saying on demand gov is hurting our 3g, then should setting it on performance get higher speed? considering thata the cpu running at max speed? JW.
I dont get why everyone trusts speed.net or whatever. I ran a test with my evo3d and my samsung transform side by side. the transform always showed higher speeds but always took longer load up or down. my evo would be done way before the transform and would never read as high of speeds. Also tested my nexus and photon and they all avg around the same for me.
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so if your saying on demand gov is hurting our 3g, then should setting it on performance get higher speed? considering thata the cpu running at max speed? JW.
I dont get why everyone trusts speed.net or whatever. I ran a test with my evo3d and my samsung transform side by side. the transform always showed higher speeds but always took longer load up or down. my evo would be done way before the transform and would never read as high of speeds. Also tested my nexus and photon and they all avg around the same for me.
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Only speed test that I'm really aware of.
Rootyourdroid.net. My nephews blog.
Main reason im leaving sprint Ben with them 8 year between paying for premium data and being able to use it and the contract changes in not happy
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chefdave12118 said:
Only speed test that I'm really aware of.
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Xtreme labs has a speed test app too
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Check this out...I think I really was on to something y'all.
I'm running Empire's AOSP rom (he has sound working btw so if you didn't know that, now you know. Go download and support!) and I did a speed test...my ping averages less than 100ms! The most I've seen was ~120ms. Remember what I was saying when I was on Sense? I was getting a best of 500-600ms on a dual core kernel and about 1200-1800ms on stock.
Sense seems to not only be messing up the performance...but its probably tanking our 3G speeds as well. I mean this is ridiculous....from ~1200ms to ~100ms. C'mon HTC Sense...
just ran another test after a reboot...ping was actually over 120ms (it was 148) and my download was 1334kbps and the upload was 635kbps. **** you Sense.
Anyone have a ultimate setting for saving battery life in SETCPU for the Motorola Photon?
Bump.. Just bought it myself will read more into it... But if someone has a quick down and dirty on settings for the photon would be appreciated... I did do some initial settings but felt the screen was getting too hot so I aborted the settings I applied.
I stopped using setcpu back when i had an HTC hero (2009). You really don't need it imo lol. Wanna save battery, use an undervolt kernel or turn off mobile data when you're not using it. You could also turn off auto background data sync.
Will look into it, just seemed that the percentage based rules looked attractive inthe program.. Always nice to be able to apply less than rules, greater than etc..
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Don't think an app can control our cpu. I've tried setting frequencies only to have them ignored, pretty sure some programs will have the under volt ignored.
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Set cpu undervolting my photon def works.. I did notice (not recently though) that under a lot of stress while undervolted itll kick up to a higher voltage though I havnt seen it do that for a long time now..
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So there is or is not good reason to use setcpu on the photon?
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So there is or is not good reason to use setcpu on the photon?
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Its all based on the personal preference man. If you feel the need to use it go ahead. Myself, I don't think its necessary. I mean it's good for setting profiles in different situations (screen on/off,charging etc). Most of the time the kernels baked in settings are good enough but some people combine a custom kernel with setcpu for maximum control over CPU. Setcpu is absolutely pointless unless you're running a custom kernel. Plus if you use cyanogen roms it will allow you to set CPU values within the rom. Again, these are just my thoughts on it man.
Well I'm in the process of trying to get CM9 working, so I guess I wouldn't need it.
Thanks for the clarification.
Can I ask, how did you UV your cpu ? is it somewhere within the setcpu, or it comes from the kernel ? I really don't understand about ocing/uving an android phone, thx.
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Can I ask, how did you UV your cpu ? is it somewhere within the setcpu, or it comes from the kernel ? I really don't understand about ocing/uving an android phone, thx.
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Custom kernels will allow you to over clock or undervolt. Set CPU just allows you to set clock speed upon boot along with custom profiles. If you install a kernel that allows undervolting it should have the custom values baked in. Again, use set CPU if you please. Joker has a set of custom kernels both uv/oc. I'm using his 1.3 oc kernel for CM7 at the moment but I'm only clocked at 1.2 just testing out. So far its amazing.
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Well I'm in the process of trying to get CM9 working, so I guess I wouldn't need it.
Thanks for the clarification.
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How did this work out for you? Where's the install? Desperate to give it a try.
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How did this work out for you? Where's the install? Desperate to give it a try.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1413349
Doesn't voltage control also work? When I was using my Epic4g, i preferred voltage control over setcpu since it does both: OC and UV.
However, I'd agree with kennypow3rs that i dont think any of it is necesary with the Photon. It's quite fast already and the battery life is amazing. I hacked my Epic 4g like crazy, through 10 ROMs, OC/UV, Eclair through GB, and I have to say, it was a waste of my time. I am now extremely happy to have the Photon, stock and rooted.
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Doesn't voltage control also work? When I was using my Epic4g, i preferred voltage control over setcpu since it does both: OC and UV.
However, I'd agree with kennypow3rs that i dont think any of it is necesary with the Photon. It's quite fast already and the battery life is amazing. I hacked my Epic 4g like crazy, through 10 ROMs, OC/UV, Eclair through GB, and I have to say, it was a waste of my time. I am now extremely happy to have the Photon, stock and rooted.
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I've been where you've been, done what you've done, and am now at where you're at and I couldn't be happier myself.
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thanks man!
I prefer to use this instead of the ones built in to cm7/9, personal preference i guess.
But the only real reason i use it is for the profiles feature. Which i set my phone to screen off to max at 216mhz(wish i could auto disable while using Pandora), then to any time below 100% battery to max 750mhz (with jokers kernel that disables the 2nd core) and then finely to run full speed when its plugged in.
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Custom kernels will allow you to over clock or undervolt. Set CPU just allows you to set clock speed upon boot along with custom profiles. If you install a kernel that allows undervolting it should have the custom values baked in. Again, use set CPU if you please. Joker has a set of custom kernels both uv/oc. I'm using his 1.3 oc kernel for CM7 at the moment but I'm only clocked at 1.2 just testing out. So far its amazing.
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where can I find those custom value ? and how I set them ?
and while on it, I want to ask since I'm using setCPU to undervolt, what is the normal voltage of 1.2 cpu clock ? I'm noob at this please bear with me, thx
Funny, I have been using SetCPU until Kennypow3rs said something. Although it worked, I have ROM Toolbox Pro. I figured out yesterday, It does all that performance crap and more. Matter fact, I got 15 hours out of my battery (Granted, 7 of those hours I was sleep!)
Lol.
Sent from my HTC EVO View 4G Honeycomb Tablet, runing on the Now Network, (or my AT&T Home Router, lol).
So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
Grnlantern79 said:
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
Izeltokatl said:
True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
Well when I got this phone I saw I could use a bluetooth gamepad with it and I was like oh **** hdmi out +emulator +bluetooth gamepad = me happy haha
Unfortunately that is not the case and I was hoping someone could help. Just on the phone emulators and everything else works flawlessly. When I use hdmi out the performance drops to unplayable.
Emulators (even snesoid...) are way too choppy to even play. Shadowgun and reckless getaway are also choppy but kind of 'playable.' There is noticeable lag so it feels like playing in quicksand.
I get the phone is processing two displays but come on even snesoid is unplayable? So here is my question(s):
Can I force the phone to only display the hdmi output, thereby increasing performance? As I understand it this is not possible but just have to ask.
Can I reduce the resolution of the output and maybe make gains there?
If I root and overclock, could I achieve smooth results? And if yes, what speed would be good to try for stability/performance?
Thanks for your time.
Cmon not one reply? This is xda-dev! This isn't that technical of a question I'm shocked not a single person can help...especially with 80+ views...Any help is appreciated.
Im yet to try out my new mhl adapter on any rom but RezRom 1.2 since i dont seem to find the time to. But will post here when i do. Om gonna try the stock newly leaked ruu.
On Rezrom btw, my phone freezes for a bit then reboots whenver i run a video for some reason.
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You have to remember that when you mirror displays, your phone is having to draw twice the pixels. So yes, that's going to cause serious lag, especially on a game, even if It's just a SNES emulator.
Overclocking will likely help some, but if there's anyway to turn off your phone display, that would be your best option. I don't have an MHL adapter to help, but hopefully I've at least explained the problem.
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Indeed, the main culprit is having to push both displays. For some reason, I have not found a way to disable the phone screen without turning off the hdmi out. Basically when you put the phone screen to sleep it seems to cut off the hdmi out...
Because the phone performs so well while only using it's own display, can anyone shed some light on how to have hdmi out going and disable the phone screen? I think this would result in smooth hdmi out performance.
I would think if it was able to mirror, it would be able to simply use one or the other. I really want to figure this out
I would think rooting and some ICS would help, since GB is not really using both cores, correct? Overclocking may help, but may make you phone melt if its pushing super hard.
Well actually I'm running the ICS leak now...605.22 or whatever is the end of the version number. It's pretty and runs smoothly. Was there an aspect of ICS you think would help because as far as games go I see no difference between GB and ICS.
What about rooting do you think would help me?
And also, what speeds would be safe to try overclocking?
For safe clock speeds, use something like SetCPU. Start slowly bumping up the clock speed, using it for a bit, and if it's stable, repeat. If it reboots or becomes unstable, lower the clock speed.
Most importantly, don't set the clock speed on boot until you find a stable speed, or you might end up in a boot loop.
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Thanks for the overclocking advice. Have you tried OCing the rezound? What kind of speed and performance increase have you seen?
Other than OCing I think my best option would be to find a way to turn off the phone display while running hdmi. If this is just simply not supported, could something be modified and added into a rom that allows hdmi out without the phone display?
You may try contacting TeamWin. I know they really helped the Evo4g with mirroring. Now that we have s-off they may be able to help.
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Thanks, I've contacted them just now so we'll see what they say.
Has anyone tried any of the oc kernels?
Can anyone comment on how smooth hdmi out performance is with these overclocks applied? The threads have a lot of comments but none deal with that specifically.
What ROM are you running? Did you get the bluetooth gamepad to work properly? I've read that HTC used a different bluetooth stack that doesnt work with gamepads. What gamepad did you use? Thanks.
I'm using the leaked release candidate of ICS for rezound ending in 605.22 I think. The bluetooth gamepad does work. It's a phonejoy. All it does is press keys on a virutal keyboard through bluezIME because even on ICS although gamepads are 'supported' I have yet to see anything besides N64oid actually use a GAMEPAD, not just 'xperia play' style it and use keyboard inputs.
Anyway bluetooth has multiple protocols and the one the PS3 and some other devices use is apparently not supported by HTC (i have not confirmed this) but phonejoy, and your standard bluetooth earpieces etc use a protocol that is widely supported by phones.
Now how about those oc kernels? Anyone try their hdmi out with them and see if it performs any smoother?
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I would think rooting and some ICS would help, since GB is not really using both cores, correct? Overclocking may help, but may make you phone melt if its pushing super hard.
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Wait... What!!?? Can someone confirm that ics does in fact use both cores? Otherwise... ****, and thank you poster for bringing this to my attention..
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AJMetal87 said:
Wait... What!!?? Can someone confirm that ics does in fact use both cores? Otherwise... ****, and thank you poster for bringing this to my attention..
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One of ICS main points in its changelog is the improved optimization of all the CPU cores.
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Abu-7abash said:
One of ICS main points in its changelog is the improved optimization of all the CPU cores.
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So... It uses both cores? Or...
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AJMetal87 said:
So... It uses both cores? Or...
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Yes. The ICS framework itself supports multiple cores. HTC used extra code, including the mpdecision file on GB to regulate when to use the second core, which can be hit or miss. ICS should yield better efficiency and performance when it comes to handling the CPU. (Real world use usually shows the more lightweight GB GUI to be snappier, but the phone is plenty powerful enough to run ICS smooth when all wrinkles are ironed out, and when devs get some more code too, i.e. kernel source.)
Ok, back to my thread question haha....
Has anyone tried HDMI out with any of the OC kernels for the rezound? Does it perform better than stock hdmi out?