Aight so Im like 4 months in on this rooted life and i cant leave it alone lol. I was wondering if flashing too many times can lead to damage of the phone. and I dont know about yall but usually when i see a new rom or update i gotta try it out. this ish is addicting yo. My girl thinks I gotta problem hahahaha
Yes, technically flashing "madd" roms can eventually wear down your phone...provided you keep the phone well beyond what most do.
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Yes, technically flashing "madd" roms can eventually wear down your phone...provided you keep the phone well beyond what most do.
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Aw damn. Aight thanx for the heads up.
Lol...on my Second Android Device (Moto Cliq) I was flashing for a good 2years. The only thing that damaged was the battery. But I got 2 brand new ones for $5 on Amazon. Well that being said, it all depends on how your phone is handled and how the tweaks are pushing the phone. How much are you pushing the CPU. What type of things you do to the phone...games, movies, reading... Everything contributes on how much life your device will have.
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Lol...on my Second Android Device (Moto Cliq) I was flashing for a good 2years. The only thing that damaged was the battery. But I got 2 brand new ones for $5 on Amazon. Well that being said, it all depends on how your phone is handled and how the tweaks are pushing the phone. How much are you pushing the CPU. What type of things you do to the phone...games, movies, reading... Everything contributes on how much life your device will have.
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Oh ok gotcha, yea I have back up batteries on deck so I should be good. As far as the usage I dont really push my phone to tough. I have my set cpu settings hooked up and my phone doesnt heat up all crazy like it use to so thats a good sign hahaha. I was just concerned about all the wiping and flashing. Thnx for the input mayne.
Lol at your girl thinking you got a problem, welcome to the club! My girl, friends, even my family except this one cousin that I introduced to android, they're always bugging out about not being able to get me on the phone, lol.
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Lol at your girl thinking you got a problem, welcome to the club! My girl, friends, even my family except this one cousin that I introduced to android, they're always bugging out about not being able to get me on the phone, lol.
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hahahalol I feel you on that man
I have an htc inspire have had it since it was the new thing, and have flashed too many roms to count. The phone still works fine. I even used setcpu on it. but was careful on what settings I used.
Flashing too many times can def kill you phone. I destroyed the nand on my first n1 a couple months ago doing that. Granted i was working on ics and flashed it several hundred times it a short period (~5 times a day for 2 months).
Basically you shouldnt worry only when you get up to 2,3,4 hundred flashes do you start having problems with the nand wearing out.
I've never had any problems with flashing any of my phones... And I would flash 50-60+ times a day when making roms... (I had to have it just right)
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Flashing too many times can def kill you phone. I destroyed the nand on my first n1 a couple months ago doing that. Granted i was working on ics and flashed it several hundred times it a short period (~5 times a day for 2 months).
Basically you shouldnt worry only when you get up to 2,3,4 hundred flashes do you start having problems with the nand wearing out.
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Yea I def dont flash that many times a day lol...ill keep that in mind tho
I remember this question being asked a few years ago and someone answered that NAND memory can be flashed about a 1000 times before you start to wear it out. The guy seemed quite knowledgeable at the time..
Hope this helps..
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I remember this question being asked a few years ago and someone answered that NAND memory can be flashed about a 1000 times before you start to wear it out. The guy seemed quite knowledgeable at the time..
Hope this helps..
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No doubt...thnx
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Funny how same question come up again and again.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1625470
IMO, it’s somewhere between 10,000 and 200,000 thousand writes per block.
Depends on flash quality a lot (i.e. manufacturer)
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My name is AGiLiT and I'm a flashaholic.
It's been 10 days since my last flash; which was the day I took my beloved overclocked, themed, custom ROM'ed, custom kerneled EVO Shift back to stock in order to exercise my upgrade option.
My one year anniversary with my Speedy had just passed a few days before. I'd been debating whether to take advantage of the last time I'd be able to invoke the one-year anniversary update with Sprint sooner rather than later. I had really been missing the world phone capabilities I had with my Blackberry (pre-Hero, pre-Shift) and have some international travel coming up so the immediate need was there. On the other hand, the draw of LTE later this year is also enticing. Living in Houston, I've had spotty luck with 4G, but at least it's there and we will be getting LTE.
The stars aligned and BestBuy came out with a price on the Motorola Photon of $49 last week; on top of which they're giving away a $50 gift card, so basically the phone was free. On top of that, when I got the Shift last year, they were just introducing the Buy Back program and giving that away for free. I paid $99 for the Shift, so I figured I was getting $40 back. Lo and behold, the program pays back on the list price of the phone, so basically I got a free phone plus a$220 gift card for the buy back!
I immediately started hanging out in the Photon phorums. But it was like I had already traveled to another country where I knew a few phrases, but I really couldn't understand even half of what anyone was saying. SBF's; RSD; unlocking, pudding; docking; ...
I started experiencing the DTs as I cruised the forums late at night and into the early morning hours. I was barely functioning at work - waiting to at least get my phone rooted so I could get to all my apps sitting in my Titanium backup (more than 70; and obviously all essential; no?)
Four days later, I finally managed to get rooted with the AIO method. That offered some relief, but still nothing like the rush that comes from a good stiff flash. I was still desparate. Unlock; relock; what would be the effect? What ROM? What kernel?
A week later, I was still stock. And I started to realize that the pain was starting to diminish. I was finding that I was still able to function while stock. I was finding more time to spend with my friends and family. It's true that I still hang out in the phorums; probably almost as much as I used to, and the buzz is definitely not there, but at least I still can share in the comraderie that goes on in here.
So, I've made the conscious decision to try to stay clean and stock; realizing that this is will be an ongoing challenge. Will I ever fall off the wagon? Who can say. Seeing an Ice Cream Sandwich out there in the open and knowing that it will be months before I can have a taste is straining my willpower.
I haven't found any flashaholic anonymous meetings yet, so I hope you all won't mind me sharing here. I only ask that when you run across any of us flashaholics, you realize that we are people just like you; we just are trying to face our demons, one day at a time.
Agilit, I to am a flashaholic. Oh sure it starts out innocent enough, root, then maybe a battery mod, or speed tweak. Then the next thing you know, your staying up all night flashing oc kernels, the newest version of ics, or what have you. Now the wife gets no attention, she leave and dog goes hungry. No rom is ever perfect enough. There's always something better. If you go too long without flashing, you start have imaginary problems with your phone just to justify flashing something else. Ahhh .... I'm here for ya man.
Damn it, I wonder now if I am flashaholic too . I constantly check xda if there is some new room or improvment for my phone,I even published my modification of some costum rom. I flash my phone for "testing" purposes more than once a week,some times even couple of time in one day . Lets keep our phone clean for a while and reduce our flashing!
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Damn it, I wonder now if I am flashaholic too . I constantly check xda if there is some new room or impeovment for my phone,I even published my mosification of some costum rom. I flash my phone fir testinf purposes more than once a week,some times even couple of time in one day . Lets keep our phone clean for a while and reduce our flashing!
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No doubt, my friend; you are a flashaholic. Recognition is the first step to recovery, though.
Anybody else waiting to do it later also?
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mentallo said:
Anybody else waiting to do it later also?
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No...
Did it immediately got wire trick 4th try.
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Not more than 20 minutes ago, I just got my friends Rezound S-OFF'd on the very very first attempt! After doing it successfully on my own phone once, it seems simple now.
Maybe I should start charging locals to bring their phones by my house if they don't wanna deal with it themselves.
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Anybody else waiting to do it later also?
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I suggest doing it before it gets patched by an update
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Why wait ? Its simple. Just read a bit before you do. I have and if i ran into any trouble it was already solved somewhere so i knew how to fix it. It only takes imo 30 minutes and this is with getting success after 5 tries. Its really not that hard . Its simple
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I suggest doing it before it gets patched by an update
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Is it even patchable since it's a hardware exploit?
This is not for the faint of heart. But since you've already voided your warranty, the worst case scenario, is you have an expensive paperweight.
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This is not for the faint of heart. But since you've already voided your warranty, the worst case scenario, is you have an expensive paperweight.
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.... how has he/she voided their warranty already
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Is it even patchable since it's a hardware exploit?
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There's not enough details about how the process actually achieves S-OFF yet to actually make that assertion - but my belief is that it is probably patchable. The group who wrote the exploit specifically said that they won't release details of the method until its been patched, which leads me to believe that they feel it will be patched eventually.
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.... how has he/she voided their warranty already
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Unlocking the Bootloader technically voids your warrantee but most are under the impression that if it is ever sent in for a warrantee replacement that nobody will even check.
Obtaining S-off actually gives you the power (through various steps) to make sure they never even know you unlocked it.
I'm waiting just a bit longer. I need my phone for work and can't be without for long periods of time. Reading on some posts that it has taken people in upwards of 10 + hours to get it right. I just can't go that long without it. Not to mention I'm still learning flashing and modding on HTC. I have read thru every single post about s off, and as of now, just seems like alot of problems. Don't get me wrong, I am ever grateful for the devs and all their hard work, really I am, they have made our phones phenominal!
Why wait? It's not that difficult. I'm a n00b, and it only took me about 15min. and 10 tries with a paperclip. Plus, I haven't experienced any of the problems others have... no problems getting it to recognize the SD card, no boot issues, nada. I was unlocked and running de-bloated GB prior to S-Off.
Give it a shot!
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I'm waiting just a bit longer. I need my phone for work and can't be without for long periods of time. Reading on some posts that it has taken people in upwards of 10 + hours to get it right. I just can't go that long without it. Not to mention I'm still learning flashing and modding on HTC. I have read thru every single post about s off, and as of now, just seems like alot of problems. Don't get me wrong, I am ever grateful for the devs and all their hard work, really I am, they have made our phones phenominal!
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I agree. It sounds like almost all of the issues raised by the S-Off process have been ironed out, but the possibility of taking several hours to fix any issues has convinced me to wait to do S-Off. I hope to do it eventually, but to me the only reason I'd do S-Off is to be able to get back to S-On/Locked. I'm not terribly interested in flashing different boot images or changing my radios, so being Unlocked is good enough for now.
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I agree. It sounds like almost all of the issues raised by the S-Off process have been ironed out, but the possibility of taking several hours to fix any issues has convinced me to wait to do S-Off. I hope to do it eventually, but to me the only reason I'd do S-Off is to be able to get back to S-On/Locked. I'm not terribly interested in flashing different boot images or changing my radios, so being Unlocked is good enough for now.
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+1, I really see no hurry to do this plus I also don't have hours to prep or fix things if I screw up. lol. Probably will do so at some point though and Im sure it will be fun.
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It's not necessarily a hardware exploit. They're using a hardware event to get some software loaded into memory when you touch the wires. The question is whether the program that loads the hack when that event occurs -- or any of the other data and code the hack has to manipulate before changing the security bit -- can be replaced by something more secure.
And at least some of these components probably can be patched. There's apparently very little truly "hardcoded" logic in these things.
do it... after all the people that have done it no one has bricked a device... jsut follow the directions
it is well worth it. It took me a about 6 times to get the wire trick to work. timing is everything. But once you get the timing right, it is a breeze. AI'm enjoying the much added freedom. Go For It.
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I'm waiting just a bit longer. I need my phone for work and can't be without for long periods of time. Reading on some posts that it has taken people in upwards of 10 + hours to get it right. I just can't go that long without it. Not to mention I'm still learning flashing and modding on HTC. I have read thru every single post about s off, and as of now, just seems like alot of problems. Don't get me wrong, I am ever grateful for the devs and all their hard work, really I am, they have made our phones phenominal!
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It may take you +10 hours but you can always boot back to your ROM at any time. (At least I could)
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I'm waiting just a bit longer. I need my phone for work and can't be without for long periods of time. Reading on some posts that it has taken people in upwards of 10 + hours to get it right. I just can't go that long without it. Not to mention I'm still learning flashing and modding on HTC. I have read thru every single post about s off, and as of now, just seems like alot of problems. Don't get me wrong, I am ever grateful for the devs and all their hard work, really I am, they have made our phones phenominal!
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It may take you +10 hours but you can always boot back to your ROM at any time. (At least I could)
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Exactly, It's not ten hours straight through, but ten hours combined. When this was first released I tried for 5 hours to get it to work, but only got it to run through twice since the program would only detect my phone after an RUU. This issue was fixed in v0.2.2.
Once my dumb ass actually started using the correct pins I got it on the second try. Use a paper clip, that seems to be the easiest tool for shorting out and is what most people (including myself) have the most success with, just make sure to wrap it in electrical or duct tape.
I'd say there's no rush to do this. The tool is only going to get better and easier, it probably won't get patched for a while (if at all), and it's not really useful yet unless you want to downgrade your radio or change the splashscreen, no ROMs support it yet that I know of. The only really useful thing is nandroid backups that can restore your boot.img
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/htc-one-s-teardown/
Looks like getting the battery replaced isn't all that complicated at all. Maybe some company will even come out with a different plastics to accommodate a larger battery.
The guy in the above linked video actually removes the battery within three minutes and forty-two seconds.
That is very fast considering he was even narrating how to do it at the same time. I think I will send this to a few battery manufacturers to give them an incentive to create an aftermarket battery.
Thank you. I believed this could be done in theory. I even created a post about this and everyone was like, "No, you have to remove the screen and then that just gets too complicated." Actually, all you have to do is pop off the back with a flat head, remove four screws, separate the back plate and bam, remove battery and replace it. Takes all of about 3 minutes.
Since the phone is so thin, I wouldn't mind replacing the 2,000 maH battery with a 2,500 or even 3,000 maH battery with just a little added thickness. As long as it is no thicker than my Samsung Epic 4G. That is about perfect thickness. Anything bigger then I will just use a car charger or something.
So what happens when we get to that step in the root process or bootloop that says
"Remove Battery"?
Ugh.
Is there a hard reset button?
may be a hard reset button. but more likely it'll be like One X where 10sec power button push shuts phone off, then power and volume can be used to get to bootloader.
god, i hope i never have to pull my phone apart like that. watching that, I realized the whole time my muscles were clenched, and spine taut as though watching a life or death human surgery.
The one thing about getting this phone is the scare of not having the Non removable battery. I mean sure there's a hard reset, but we had one on the EVO 3D and 10% of the time it didn't work. Not to mention if you flashed the latest firmware leak its completely hindered and won't work anymore... So small things like that can be worrysome
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I've seen this too many times now... has anyone here ever owned an iPod touch? They don't have a removable battery and you can hard reset it JUST FINE. Its been posted several hundred times in every thread here.
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I've seen this too many times now... has anyone here ever owned an iPod touch? They don't have a removable battery and you can hard reset it JUST FINE. Its been posted several hundred times in every thread here.
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The iPod has a Li-Po battery like the LTEvo, instead of a Li-Ion like the OG Evo.
IPod totally diff, and thanks for pointing out Li-Po. Didn't know that.
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Except I'm referring to the Hard reset method, which will be similar.
Gave you a thanks to show no hard feelings. Maybe I misunderstood your point.
Edit: except defenders of apple must die at the sword and pen
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So what happens when we get to that step in the root process or bootloop that says
"Remove Battery"?
Ugh.
Is there a hard reset button?
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Maybe its like the Flyer whenever I have a bootloop or issue I hold power and vol down for a very long time then it opens bootloader. Oh by the way my Flyer has nonremovable battery.
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Maybe its like the Flyer whenever I have a bootloop or issue I hold power and vol down for a very long time then it opens bootloader. Oh by the way my Flyer has nonremovable battery.
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I have yet to see a tablet that has a removable one
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The Toshiba Thrive has a removable battery.
I think that if the batteries really are like this for our Evo's there will be the usual after market battery options.
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I have yet to see a tablet that has a removable one
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A nice thing I learned while using my HTC Jetstream, which also does not have a removable battery is that if you ever end up in a bootloop, adb still works. So I always end up just doing an "adb reboot bootloader" to get out of a sticky situation
^ I was wondering when someone would pipe in with this bit of info. It works, very well. I wasn't worried about the sealed battery because of ADB. Maybe if more people used it (Meaning: Don't use a one click method, if possible. Learn how your phone works. If I'm 20 and can figure it out, so can everyone else.), we wouldn't have as many people asking questions they could easily fix themselves.
Once, long ago, there were no one click methods, and you had to do it yourself. (No, I wasn't Androiding then, but I wish I was.) If anyone else came from VZW and remembers the Fascinate (Galaxy S variant) some people couldn't get one click methods to work and had to do it manually. Setting your system partition as R/W for the first time, by your own hands, is very rewarding... especially with a Samsung phone.
Boot loader tools are a different story, but there is no reason anyone should not be able to at least root a device themselves once an approved method comes out.
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^ I was wondering when someone would pipe in with this bit of info. It works, very well. I wasn't worried about the sealed battery because of ADB. Maybe if more people used it (Meaning: Don't use a one click method, if possible. Learn how your phone works. If I'm 20 and can figure it out, so can everyone else.), we wouldn't have as many people asking questions they could easily fix themselves.
Once, long ago, there were no one click methods, and you had to do it yourself. (No, I wasn't Androiding then, but I wish I was.) If anyone else came from VZW and remembers the Fascinate (Galaxy S variant) some people couldn't get one click methods to work and had to do it manually. Setting your system partition as R/W for the first time, by your own hands, is very rewarding... especially with a Samsung phone.
Boot loader tools are a different story, but there is no reason anyone should not be able to at least root a device themselves once an approved method comes out.
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I hear ya, I too am also only 20. I have to admit, with my HTC EVO 4G, I did use a one click root method to get where I am today, but when it came to my HTC Jetstream, that was a different story entirely. It had a locked bootloader and the root process was a bit more tedious. With that being said, I have to admit, I learned a lot more while using my Jetstream.
I think manual method is a whole lot better. You actually learn something instead of just mechanically clicking a button, not knowing what is really going on in the background.
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I think manual method is a whole lot better. You actually learn something instead of just mechanically clicking a button, not knowing what is really going on in the background.
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In essence, on-click-root is for those Apple fanboys who want an automatic jailbreak, and DIY is for those hardcore Android mechanics who root like a bawss.
^^Very well said above! Seriously though, i truly hate the one click stuff because I don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.
For the original evo, there was a how to guide that was all manual. I went over each step until it was clear what was being done and why.
I'll admit, forbmy Incredible, I used a one click method, but I was curious about how it worked and investigated. It wasn't until my Fascinate that I actually needed to use it, but like I said, I was curious. I feel its important for rooted users to understand at least part of the process. It is an eye opener to a fraction of what our devs go through. It gives you a deeper appreciation.
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Is flashing and rebooting frequently harmful for the phones? Will they cause any problms?
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Is flashing and rebooting frequently harmful for the phones? Will they cause any problms?
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I flashed my phone atelast a hundred times, so far so good. But I imagine constant flashing would eventually corrupt the flash memory. Like every piece of electronic, it will fail some day
I don't the flash memory will ever brick becoz sony has given us an excellent nand chip.
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I don't the flash memory will ever brick becoz sony has given us an excellent nand chip.
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Well then your original question has no point.
Why would you ask such a question if you're convinced it's going to last forever LoL.
It will NOT last forever, although it may last a long time
Nothing is eternal. Except the space time continuum
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Well then your original question has no point.
Why would you ask such a question if you're convinced it's going to last forever LoL.
It will NOT last forever, although it may last a long time
Nothing is eternal. Except the space time continuum
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good point :good:
Not only good point....... great point. Just saying cuz you made me look like a fool.
So currently I am running liberty3, and I don't know if it is the rom or not, but my phone has been overheating, freezing, and just being really god damn slow. It has been like this for a while now, I have even throw my phone out of frustration(because eclipse was the same way) and I have no what to do.
I am debating to just flash cm7, but heard it is still in beta, and I was wondering if people are using it even though there are bugs.
Really frustrated at the moment would appreciate some info...(1 more year on this contract before I can get rid of this POS...=/)
CM7 is very stable. As for it being "beta" cyanogen won't support it so until DZK figures a way to get around the bootloader it will keep the "beta" label.
Regarding the problems your having with your phone it sounds like it could be just that, problems with the phone, not the ROM. Eclipse and CM7 are the two most stable ROM's we have available and should not be the source of the kind of problems you describe.
And lastly remember CM7 runs on 2.3.4, it will give you fits if you try flashing it on 2.3.5.
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CM7 is quicker and more stable than any of the blur-based roms ever were on my phone, and all of them had a really irritating issue with bluetooth volume that CM7 fixed. I've been running on the same flash of beta 1 since January.
thanks for the replies guys, guess ill just flash cm7, and if I still have the same problems I can go talk to a verizon rep and see if I can get a replacement or somthing =/
this is actually making me laugh the stupid **** it's doing right now, I press play on a song, and the screen starts distorting, i exit and 90 seconds later the song starts playing, but then it pauses and the phone gets hot all of a sudden
how do you manage to **** up a phone this badly I just don't understand(I have owned this since 2011 may, it can't be a phone problem it just started happening 2-3 months ago)
Personally i hate people like you.... Why the hell should verizon send you a replacement for something youve ruined by throwing at a wall or across a room... Cm7 works fine but nothing will change the fact that abusing your electronics is your problem... You cant treat tech like that and expect it to keep working
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Personally i hate people like you.... Why the hell should verizon send you a replacement for something youve ruined by throwing at a wall or across a room... Cm7 works fine but nothing will change the fact that abusing your electronics is your problem... You cant treat tech like that and expect it to keep working
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Oh please. The droid x2 is one of the WORST developed android phones out right now. Not only that, the issues I have had with it came LONG before I actually "threw" it. Obviously I didn't baseball throw it into a concrete wall, but it wasn't even close enough to do damage. Verizon should send me a replacement because motorola has created a pretty pathetic excuse for a phone, or because I received a defective phone. Like I said, these issues have been going for FOREVER, and this phone in general has had issues since its release.
The phone isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. You would think that we got a brick in A box. But cm7 is very stable and works well for DD.
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I agree that the Droid X2 isnt as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Any problems you have is either a defective phone or you flashed something the wrong way. Almost everyone who have these ROMs on their phones have no problems. So instead of blaming the phone and calling it crap, let us help you fix it.
First of all, as was mentioned already, CM7 and Eclipse are two of the most stable ROMs for this phone. Liberty was just a quick port and has not had any updates since its release. Honestly, I dont know why people still use it. The problem with Eclipse is that it is on a different kernel than every other ROM we have. So if you went from liberty to eclipse without changing the kernel to 2.3.5 first, you will experience problems. Did you install Eclipse by using the 2.3.5 SBF file first?
Or if you want the best of both world's I have eclipse 1.3. It runs on 2.3.4 kernel. These phones do get hot. What do you mean by overheat? Does it shut down or just feel hot?
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Sounds like luck of the draw to me. I for one do my very best not to abuse electronics because they are 1) fragile and 2) expensive to buy/repair. Keeping that in mind, I did, ONE TIME, get blackout drunk and from what I'm told, chucked my X2 at someone's head and then they stomped on it, screen facing up. Absolutely no physical damage at all. That however is very, very, very rare.
Generally in my personal experience, Motorola makes some solid phones. I've put the Droid X, X2, Droid 3 and the new RAZR through hell and they all held up on performance after being dropped, kicked and being tossed onto asphalt and concrete. The only one I actually got the break with a reasonable amount of force was the Droid 3.
I can also tell you that no two phones are created equally, ever. Why do you think every single person who owns a Nexus isn't currently on the same ROM/kernel combo? What is fast, smooth & has good battery for me might be choppy and fast to discharge for someone else. Just because your phone doesn't act how it should doesn't mean its the ROM. You could have gotten a lemon (it happens) or maybe you just damaged internals when you chucked it. Doesn't matter if you didn't throw it like a baseball. All you need to do is hit the right part with the right amount of force. That's all it takes.
Hell when I got Verizon to exchange my X2, they sent me a Stratosphere. The same day I got the phone I put it on silent and went to bed. Some asshole called me at 2:30am that night. I did not answer it. instead, I rolled back over and went to bed. The phone vibrated off of my nightstand. It fell all of about 2.5 feet onto my BED then another 5 or so inches onto my carpeted floor. The screen was completely cracked and totally 100% unresponsive. There absolutely is no minimum requirement for force or distance needed to break your phone. Simple as that.
I can relate to you in the sense that I went through a phase where I hated the X2 as well, so I'm not trying to bash you. Keep that in mind . Also keep in mind that ICS wasn't even out yet. In fact CM9 wasn't much more than a rumor. The only ROMs I had to chose from were Molten & Liberty (both unsupported), Eclipse and CM7. I guess MIUI was out already, but it was so far down in the dev forum I didn't even know it existed months after I got the phone. Now you guys have ports for Paranoid Android and AOKP? Come on man. If I'd known they were coming I would have never left and got a Stratosphere.
Not to mention that the famous X2 developer, Dragonzkiller, is not only working on kexec for your phone, he's making progress with it. If he happens to get it working and you could load any kernels you wanted that would open up development around here and you would see a lot more, fully functional ROMs. It isn't so bad. When dzk gets kexec working you will have a great phone in terms of specs and ROMs, man.
You think a locked bootloader is bad?? Haha at least you have ROMs besides stock. My stratosphere? Sure the BL wasn't locked, but the radio interface layer was. In case you didn't know, ROMs like cyanogen, aokp, paranoid android, miui, eclipse, etc. use custom RILs. What this means is that the less than 7 month old 4g phone I got as a replacement for my X2 had much less going on for it than your phone. We had a grand total of TWO ROMs and they were both based off of stock. Just mostly theme changes. Plus only 1 kernel that would let us over clock. Barely.
To answer your first question, yes. Dragonzkiller's release of cyanogen mod 7 is stable enough to be used as a daily driver for your X2. I used it as my daily ROM for about 99% of the time I owned the phone. The other 1% was me trying other ROMs. Generally in CM7, everything works. The only issue I had (from memory) was the WiFi sleep issue. However, another one of the talented X2 developers released a new build.prop mash up which helped. It didn't keep WiFi from disconnecting when the phone slept for long periods of time, but it did reconnect it before I had a chance to get a "No Data" error message.
So you're stuck with the X2 for another year. So what? I don't see what *****ing about it here will do you. What do you want us to say? You don't like the phone? Sorry.. We can't change that for you. If you had posted this topic in any other phones forum, they would have flamed the living sh*t out of you by now lol. So that's another plus. You're a part of the best forum on XDA. Hands down.:thumbup:. If you have any issues with your phone... something isn't working, you soft bricked it, you flashed cm7 over 2.3.5 and you don't know what to do, etc., there will be someone here 24/7 to KINDLY assist you and get you back up and running again. Why do you think all of us who got Dinc2's or GNex's still come around here? Great community with kind, helpful people. I dare you to go to another forum and post a noob "help me" thread somewhere and watch how many hateful, unhelpful, "search next time noob, there's stickies for a reason" replies you get. I missed the X2 so much when I was stuck on my Stratosphere. You think your phone lags? Try going from a dual core to a single core. Hahahahaha, THEN come talk to me about lag. XD.
The best I can do for you is say call Verizon and tell them you're having issues with the phone. As long as it's not visibly noticeable that you damaged it, go through tech supports steps and have them replace it with another X2 and give these ROMs another go. I would have been pissed if I had year to go on stock motoblur, but luckily I had cm7 to make things okay.
And hey, maybe you can get it exchanged. Who knows? Quite a few of us did. Just be careful as to what phone you accept. They sold the Strat to me like it was a brand new, top of the line phone. I stupidly accepted it right away, just happy to get off of the X2 only to realize I screwed myself. I pretty much had to give Verizon my left nut to get this GNex, and that was my favorite one.
Besides "sorry for the long post" - that's all i have to say. Good luck.
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RoyJ said:
Sounds like luck of the draw to me. I for one do my very best not to abuse electronics because they are 1) fragile and 2) expensive to buy/repair. Keeping that in mind, I did, ONE TIME, get blackout drunk and from what I'm told, chucked my X2 at someone's head and then they stomped on it, screen facing up. Absolutely no physical damage at all. That however is very, very, very rare.
Generally in my personal experience, Motorola makes some solid phones. I've put the Droid X, X2, Droid 3 and the new RAZR through hell and they all held up on performance after being dropped, kicked and being tossed onto asphalt and concrete. The only one I actually got the break with a reasonable amount of force was the Droid 3.
I can also tell you that no two phones are created equally, ever. Why do you think every single person who owns a Nexus isn't currently on the same ROM/kernel combo? What is fast, smooth & has good battery for me might be choppy and fast to discharge for someone else. Just because your phone doesn't act how it should doesn't mean its the ROM. You could have gotten a lemon (it happens) or maybe you just damaged internals when you chucked it. Doesn't matter if you didn't throw it like a baseball. All you need to do is hit the right part with the right amount of force. That's all it takes.
Hell when I got Verizon to exchange my X2, they sent me a Stratosphere. The same day I got the phone I put it on silent and went to bed. Some asshole called me at 2:30am that night. I did not answer it. instead, I rolled back over and went to bed. The phone vibrated off of my nightstand. It fell all of about 2.5 feet onto my BED then another 5 or so inches onto my carpeted floor. The screen was completely cracked and totally 100% unresponsive. There absolutely is no minimum requirement for force or distance needed to break your phone. Simple as that.
I can relate to you in the sense that I went through a phase where I hated the X2 as well, so I'm not trying to bash you. Keep that in mind . Also keep in mind that ICS wasn't even out yet. In fact CM9 wasn't much more than a rumor. The only ROMs I had to chose from were Molten & Liberty (both unsupported), Eclipse and CM7. I guess MIUI was out already, but it was so far down in the dev forum I didn't even know it existed months after I got the phone. Now you guys have ports for Paranoid Android and AOKP? Come on man. If I'd known they were coming I would have never left and got a Stratosphere.
Not to mention that the famous X2 developer, Dragonzkiller, is not only working on kexec for your phone, he's making progress with it. If he happens to get it working and you could load any kernels you wanted that would open up development around here and you would see a lot more, fully functional ROMs. It isn't so bad. When dzk gets kexec working you will have a great phone in terms of specs and ROMs, man.
You think a locked bootloader is bad?? Haha at least you have ROMs besides stock. My stratosphere? Sure the BL wasn't locked, but the radio interface layer was. In case you didn't know, ROMs like cyanogen, aokp, paranoid android, miui, eclipse, etc. use custom RILs. What this means is that the less than 7 month old 4g phone I got as a replacement for my X2 had much less going on for it than your phone. We had a grand total of TWO ROMs and they were both based off of stock. Just mostly theme changes. Plus only 1 kernel that would let us over clock. Barely.
To answer your first question, yes. Dragonzkiller's release of cyanogen mod 7 is stable enough to be used as a daily driver for your X2. I used it as my daily ROM for about 99% of the time I owned the phone. The other 1% was me trying other ROMs. Generally in CM7, everything works. The only issue I had (from memory) was the WiFi sleep issue. However, another one of the talented X2 developers released a new build.prop mash up which helped. It didn't keep WiFi from disconnecting when the phone slept for long periods of time, but it did reconnect it before I had a chance to get a "No Data" error message.
So you're stuck with the X2 for another year. So what? I don't see what *****ing about it here will do you. What do you want us to say? You don't like the phone? Sorry.. We can't change that for you. If you had posted this topic in any other phones forum, they would have flamed the living sh*t out of you by now lol. So that's another plus. You're a part of the best forum on XDA. Hands down.:thumbup:. If you have any issues with your phone... something isn't working, you soft bricked it, you flashed cm7 over 2.3.5 and you don't know what to do, etc., there will be someone here 24/7 to KINDLY assist you and get you back up and running again. Why do you think all of us who got Dinc2's or GNex's still come around here? Great community with kind, helpful people. I dare you to go to another forum and post a noob "help me" thread somewhere and watch how many hateful, unhelpful, "search next time noob, there's stickies for a reason" replies you get. I missed the X2 so much when I was stuck on my Stratosphere. You think your phone lags? Try going from a dual core to a single core. Hahahahaha, THEN come talk to me about lag. XD.
The best I can do for you is say call Verizon and tell them you're having issues with the phone. As long as it's not visibly noticeable that you damaged it, go through tech supports steps and have them replace it with another X2 and give these ROMs another go. I would have been pissed if I had year to go on stock motoblur, but luckily I had cm7 to make things okay.
And hey, maybe you can get it exchanged. Who knows? Quite a few of us did. Just be careful as to what phone you accept. They sold the Strat to me like it was a brand new, top of the line phone. I stupidly accepted it right away, just happy to get off of the X2 only to realize I screwed myself. I pretty much had to give Verizon my left nut to get this GNex, and that was my favorite one.
Besides "sorry for the long post" - that's all i have to say. Good luck.
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Thanks for the long reply, I realize what I did/posted what a bit childish (I am 20 years old, I shouldn't be crying over stuff like this) but I really have never been so frustrated with a piece of technology in my life, even my moto razr that I had years ago functioned better!
I guess my only plan is to go to verizon to get it exchanged, only thing is I am not sure how to approach them with a rooted phone. Do I unroot it and then go in to the store, or do I just tell them I rooted it...Plus I have had the phone for a year, so I am not sure how they will respond to that.
morlakai said:
Thanks for the long reply, I realize what I did/posted what a bit childish (I am 20 years old, I shouldn't be crying over stuff like this) but I really have never been so frustrated with a piece of technology in my life, even my moto razr that I had years ago functioned better!
I guess my only plan is to go to verizon to get it exchanged, only thing is I am not sure how to approach them with a rooted phone. Do I unroot it and then go in to the store, or do I just tell them I rooted it...Plus I have had the phone for a year, so I am not sure how they will respond to that.
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Check this thread out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1317707
If you are going to take your phone into Verizon, follow these instructions to get your phone back to stock. This will remove root and make it like you just bought your phone. Who knows, maybe it will fix the problems you have as well. Try it out and if your issues continue, take it in.
morlakai said:
Thanks for the long reply, I realize what I did/posted what a bit childish (I am 20 years old, I shouldn't be crying over stuff like this) but I really have never been so frustrated with a piece of technology in my life, even my moto razr that I had years ago functioned better!
I guess my only plan is to go to verizon to get it exchanged, only thing is I am not sure how to approach them with a rooted phone. Do I unroot it and then go in to the store, or do I just tell them I rooted it...Plus I have had the phone for a year, so I am not sure how they will respond to that.
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**** run aokp on this phone and tell me if u dont like it
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morlakai said:
Thanks for the long reply, I realize what I did/posted what a bit childish (I am 20 years old, I shouldn't be crying over stuff like this) but I really have never been so frustrated with a piece of technology in my life, even my moto razr that I had years ago functioned better!
I guess my only plan is to go to verizon to get it exchanged, only thing is I am not sure how to approach them with a rooted phone. Do I unroot it and then go in to the store, or do I just tell them I rooted it...Plus I have had the phone for a year, so I am not sure how they will respond to that.
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Basically you would need to SBF your phone. SBF stands for system boot file, I believe. It is the complete stock factory image for your phone. That plus a data wipe/factory reset and they will have no idea you ever rooted it.
As for having it for a year, you may run into a problem there. Motorola might cover the X2 for two years, I'm not sure. Your warranty could be expired. You have to call Verizon to know for sure. If it's not expired just tell them that you're having whatever issues. They will run you through some steps, probably a data wipe, amongst other things. You tell them that no, none of the steps were able to fix the problems you are currently facing. At this point, if the phone is still under warranty they will go ahead and replace it for you. If not they will tell you to go through insurance, if you have it.
If not you're either going to have to pay for another phone off contract from a third party or stick with the one you have now.
If you still have warranty and really want to get a different phone, just tell them that you did plenty of research independently online and it would seem that no amount of X2s will fix the problems you have. That they seem to be due to poor coding at Motorola's end. That's what I did. Just remember to look up the phone they offer you as a replacement so you don't get burned like me. Not just the specs, but here on xda and rootzwiki as well. Make sure there's a development forum for it with plenty of selections for ROMs and kernels before you make your choice.
I was able to not only get rid of my X2 like that, but the Stratosphere as well. The one I had less than a month hahaha. If you're covered by warranty give it a shot.
P.S. The most frustrated I have ever been with a piece of electronics? My PlayStation 2 slim. I had a few of them, but there was one in particular that pissed me off. It slowly but surely stopped reading my discs. 1 at a time. It would read a game, I'd go to bed and the next day it wouldn't read that game anymore. It could play other games, but not that one. It got progressively worse until the only disc of any format it would read was SOCOM: Combined Assault. Wasn't too bad, it'd give me trouble every now and then, but it was the only disc it would play for months. Socom also happened to be my favorite game at the time and I played it all the time with my cousins and friends from school. We were all in a clan and we ran that game. Anyways I was with a bunch of guys one day and we were in the middle of a clan war. Ladder match. We made it all the way to the top, and my PS2 stopped reading socom. I tried frantically to get it working again, but it was useless. The laser finally crapped out. In a blind rage knowing the PS2 just cost us our biggest clan war ever, I threw it out of my second story window. I then proceeded to go outside with a hammer and utterly destroy it.
I had just gotten a job and was working, so I had to buy a new one. Lesson learned. Those *****es were expensive lol. Never did anything like that again.
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Getting frustrated is very easy to do and really don't help much. Want some senseless humor, read a few pages back in Off Topic and read my rants. I was ready to trash my new Gnex.
Just take a breather and ask for a hand. We are all like one big dysfunctional family. I've yet to see anyone be neglected that has needed help.
tallyforeman said:
Getting frustrated is very easy to do and really don't help much. Want some senless humor, read a few pages back in Off Topic and read my rants. I was ready to trash my new Gnex.
Just take a breather and ask for a hand. We are all like one big dysfunctional family. I've yet to see anyone be neglected that has needed help.
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What was the problem with the nexus?
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What was the problem with the nexus?
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To this day I still don't know. Maybe user error, but I think it is tempermental. I literally had to wipe the hell out of it before I could flash the first rom. At one point I wiped everything so many times, I really thought it was over. But all of a sudden it decided to work and hasn't missed a beat since. Now, I don't wipe anything on it anymore. It runs like a sewing machine.
CM7 is still rockin' on 2 of the X2's that I loaded and themed out.
morlakai said:
So currently I am running liberty3, and I don't know if it is the rom or not, but my phone has been overheating, freezing, and just being really god damn slow. It has been like this for a while now, I have even throw my phone out of frustration(because eclipse was the same way) and I have no what to do.
I am debating to just flash cm7, but heard it is still in beta, and I was wondering if people are using it even though there are bugs.
Really frustrated at the moment would appreciate some info...(1 more year on this contract before I can get rid of this POS...=/)
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As far as overheating is concerned you may want to look at adobe flash. Using the latest version caused issues for me and I gave had to revert back to a previous version. As others have mentioned going with CM7 or eclipse will make a huge difference. I have had 3 other smartphones with vzw and this was the best one so far.
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RoyJ said:
Basically you would need to SBF your phone. SBF stands for system boot file, I believe. It is the complete stock factory image for your phone. That plus a data wipe/factory reset and they will have no idea you ever rooted it.
As for having it for a year, you may run into a problem there. Motorola might cover the X2 for two years, I'm not sure. Your warranty could be expired. You have to call Verizon to know for sure. If it's not expired just tell them that you're having whatever issues. They will run you through some steps, probably a data wipe, amongst other things. You tell them that no, none of the steps were able to fix the problems you are currently facing. At this point, if the phone is still under warranty they will go ahead and replace it for you. If not they will tell you to go through insurance, if you have it.
If not you're either going to have to pay for another phone off contract from a third party or stick with the one you have now.
If you still have warranty and really want to get a different phone, just tell them that you did plenty of research independently online and it would seem that no amount of X2s will fix the problems you have. That they seem to be due to poor coding at Motorola's end. That's what I did. Just remember to look up the phone they offer you as a replacement so you don't get burned like me. Not just the specs, but here on xda and rootzwiki as well. Make sure there's a development forum for it with plenty of selections for ROMs and kernels before you make your choice.
I was able to not only get rid of my X2 like that, but the Stratosphere as well. The one I had less than a month hahaha. If you're covered by warranty give it a shot.
P.S. The most frustrated I have ever been with a piece of electronics? My PlayStation 2 slim. I had a few of them, but there was one in particular that pissed me off. It slowly but surely stopped reading my discs. 1 at a time. It would read a game, I'd go to bed and the next day it wouldn't read that game anymore. It could play other games, but not that one. It got progressively worse until the only disc of any format it would read was SOCOM: Combined Assault. Wasn't too bad, it'd give me trouble every now and then, but it was the only disc it would play for months. Socom also happened to be my favorite game at the time and I played it all the time with my cousins and friends from school. We were all in a clan and we ran that game. Anyways I was with a bunch of guys one day and we were in the middle of a clan war. Ladder match. We made it all the way to the top, and my PS2 stopped reading socom. I tried frantically to get it working again, but it was useless. The laser finally crapped out. In a blind rage knowing the PS2 just cost us our biggest clan war ever, I threw it out of my second story window. I then proceeded to go outside with a hammer and utterly destroy it.
I had just gotten a job and was working, so I had to buy a new one. Lesson learned. Those *****es were expensive lol. Never did anything like that again.
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ah ok, yeah I know how to SBF, so I will most likely do that and go to the verizon store to see what's up
if they offer me a replacement phone, I guess ill just ask them to give me a few days to make a decision so I can do research and find out if I am getting ripped off or not
thanks for all the replies guys, I know I come off as kind of an ass(ill be honest im pretty douchey) but this phone has transformed me into something T_T
cm7 is a good rom. Fast too! Since it is still based on the 2.3.4 kernel it has the orientation sensor bug too though.
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