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I'm sure there will be alot of reviews when the prime hits, but until then if you have any interesting videos or articles on the prime post them here.
Heres one that was posted yesterday...
www.ritchiesroom.com/2011/11/28/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-first-look/
The guy that made the video said if you had any questions that he would try to address them in his next video which is suppose to be uploaded today or tomorrow.
Felt more like watching an advertisement than a review.
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Felt more like watching an advertisement than a review.
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As far as we know from the article and video, they got the Prime officially from ASUS, so they are maybe a bit biased
That thing is going to be AWESOME anyway
This has already been posted many a time...
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As far as we know from the article and video, they got the Prime officially from ASUS, so they are maybe a bit biased
That thing is going to be AWESOME anyway
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Don't most reviewers get stuff from companies to review though?
Either way didn't seem like an overly ad like review, just a first look as its said to be. Really only times he praises it is the design, the nice ips display, and good sound.
But I can see how the look of the video makes it look ad like!
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Don't most reviewers get stuff from companies to review though?
Either way didn't seem like an overly ad like review, just a first look as its said to be. Really only times he praises it is the design, the nice ips display, and good sound.
But I can see how the look of the video makes it look ad like!
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Agreed. Lots of sites get items to review. Not too many can afford to buy all this great stuff!
And I think the video was well done - good production values and style. I didn't feel it was an ad - simply that the blogger was serious enough to put in the work to make a professional video.
in his youtube video, he says that Asus ask him not to put online is next video before the 1th of December. Maybe a hint for the anouncement Asus is still suppose to make aboutt the Prime !
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Indeed, that guy didn't have a single bad word to say about the tablet. He was as bought as can be.
Gnopps said:
Indeed, that guy didn't have a single bad word to say about the tablet. He was as bought as can be.
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Same for the guys from ZTOP who put the pictures of the pre-production unit up.
It seems this thing is gloing to be great
I am still hoping for a this years release in Germany
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Indeed, that guy didn't have a single bad word to say about the tablet. He was as bought as can be.
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Probably so, but it's humorous how Apple gets away with those kinds of reviews on a daily basis and no one cares. It's about time Android stuff had some tech sites on their side.
It looked like one of the pictures on his review page was of a high profile video of the Smurfs playing.
I guess he will be showing that in his next review video on Dec 1st?
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Indeed, that guy didn't have a single bad word to say about the tablet. He was as bought as can be.
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What exactly would you expect him to say bad in a this review? He actually does have a few criticisms but really its a pretty general look at the unit and I am not surprised he is impressed with it. The only things he praised that we wouldn't really know ourselves is the ips+ screen and the sound being of good quality.
But he still does level some complaints
With slim form factors inevitably comes some compromises, and in this case the outputs on the Prime aren’t as comprehensive as other models in the market.
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I think at least one more USB port could have been added, considering the support for USB devices that Honeycomb, and by extension Ice Cream Sandwich, has now integrated into the platform, making it easier to connect more storage devices and other accessories.
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not a criticism but shows not a huge bias as well
Along with the Motorola Xoom 2, Samsung 7.7 and other unconfirmed models from major brands, the Prime represents the next generation of Android tablets, adding their own flourishes and customisation to the platform.
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Personally thought it was a well done general review
Here's a New Video
Video review of Prime camera.
Looks like it was filmed while setting up for the Dec 1st - Taiwan Technology show. 1080 p video streaming at 30FPS.
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Here's a New Video
Video review of Prime camera.
Looks like it was filmed while setting up for the Dec 1st - Taiwan Technology show. 1080 p video streaming at 30FPS.
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Doesn't really look like Taiwan to me
But Video Quality is superb.
Yeah,
I see description is Fashion show in Sweden. The INtel, Asus, Segway booths threw me a curve ball.
Re: Taiwan. Do insides of buildings in Taiwan look different than Swedish buildings
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Video review of Prime camera.
Looks like it was filmed while setting up for the Dec 1st - Taiwan Technology show. 1080 p video streaming at 30FPS.
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If that really is from the Prime, the camera must be amazing
Asus really shouldn't remove that video, it's a super good free ad
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Re: Taiwan. Do insides of buildings in Taiwan look different than Swedish buildings
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Don't know but people do
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Don't know but people do
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Yea they are smiling a lot more than the Swedish people, because they have their hands on Transformer Primes!!
hot chick on the segway (not the 2nd one, the first blonde, lol)
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hot chick on the segway (not the 2nd one, the first blonde, lol)
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She wanted to look hot
But the second one drove quite good (is that hard with those segways?)
So we read blogs/articles/magazines/web sites that absolutely rave about the Transformer Prime and have nothing negative to say then we get real world users that do nothing but complain about everything you could possibly think of so the question is.
A.) Did the company's that reviews these get a souped up turbo charged version of the Prime and everyone else got a dumbed down inferior version?
B.) Are the tech company's and magazine publishers lieing to us
C.) Are the real world forum reviews on XDA anal retentive and will complain about anything and everything regardless of what the product is.
Do we have a gray area here in between any of the above 3 scenarios? Something just does not make sense here.
I choose C
I take the the 50:50 joker!
Hm hard to answer, heavy question...maybe all of them?^^
A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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A) That's ridiculous. Reviewers got units with bad WiFi. So they're certainly not better than what people are buying off the streets. Also, the media would go nuts if they ever found out manufacturers were sending them shill units just to get better results.
B) Reviewers are people too and all have their own biases. There may be a positive or negative slant to a review based on those biases but I'd guess they're 80-90% objective. If they always bias their reviews, people would stop reading them.
C) There are three different types of XDA'rs. 1) Unilateral fanboys that can see no wrong even though it's clear something’s amiss. There were people denying the SGS1 had GPS issues when it was totally clear they all did. 2) Pessimists that always look for the negative and amplify it without basis. Some of them may not even own the device. 3) Normal people who just want to share info, have no motive in their comments, and don't need self-validation though forum exchanges. They are usually attacked by the fanboys and pessimists for not having a stronger position either way.
There's clearly some common issues with the early Prime's and the fanboys are out in force denying them while the pessimists are making them larger then they need to be. Look for posts from normal people and use your own judgement in forming an opinion on any particular issue.
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Lets just use one example the magazines and blogs that reviewed the prime said the speed and browsing was blazing fast everyone on here says its slow and choppy and not even on par with the iPad 2 so how did we get such a difference of opinion on this perticular topic?
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
you saw how anandtech got a hand picked unit to test. if i were a company id send out the best units to reviewers
what is this nonsense, i see a whole crap load of positive posts about the asus.
the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
I think as somebody has posted elsewhere - there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes and not bothering to mention it on here whilst people having issues will want to find others with those issues, generally ***** and moan, etc. It's a biased cohort on here for sure.
I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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I tend to believe that a lot of the reviewers give positive raves because they get their crap for free! It's totally different for someone who pays $500.00 for it. Of course we expect more because we paid for top notch!
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They don't keep em. They have to send it back.
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C. except maybe the gps, which isnt working for many (includingthe 3 I've tried personally).
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there are probably MANY people at home loving their primes
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the negative ones are mostly people who have simple issues that most tablets come with.
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There aren't that many Primes out there. The number of issues being reported from a small sample set and the commonality is something to watch. It's too early to say whether they're just early production teething issues, random QC issues, or a design/manufacturing issue. Not all the people reporting problems are alarmists and say positive things along with the negative.
I love this device and have had a few issues with it as well. It's worrisome that the GPS doesn't work and I have had some browser typing lag and a few other minor issues. The reason you hear so much about the negative stuff is that no one is gathering together to talk about what they should do about their tablet being so fast and smooth.
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Good thing they'll be only coming out in January in my country. They'll come with QWERTZ keyboard so its probably a different batch.
I think its pretty clear they rushed some things especially in the software department to get it out in time for USA launch. Seems to me like the software is just a port from the original transformer with some added tweaks. Every IT device i owned had some problems at first. If I compare the performance of my DesireHD with custom rom and everything to how it was when i first bought it a year ago... OMG about every aspect of the device is better now. And that only through software tweaks.
I think it's all about the big rush to get the review out ASAP. Like somebody else said, they don't put 100 apps on it and use it constantly to figure out that a little glitch that happened that time is actually a bug that happens consistently when you do certain things. Like the diff between motor trend doing initial impressions on a car review vs long term reviews a year later.
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Some reviews are very thorough. AnandTech is one of those. Typically, a reviewer spends between a couple of days and a week with a device. Reviewers of the Prime actually commented on how little time they got to spend with it before writing their reviews.
Using a device casually with few apps on it is going to get a different result then loading it up with stuff that the reviewer uses on their own personal device and then using it as a daily driver. Out of the box, even Teg2 devices perform well. A lot of the reviewers really didn't put the Prime through its paces. Look for the reviewers that did, like AnandTech and GSMArena.
The SoC is just one part of the performance equation. For the Prime, the bottleneck looks to be s/w in some cases. I think that's what's happening in your example. And ICS is going to be a big improvement for GB users but it's foundation is actually HC. There are just some things we're going to have to live with in Android and some lag and hesitation in certain functions seems to be one of them. Maybe through s/w optimization and updates Asus (or any manufacturer) may make it better but it seems to be a fact of life. There was a great article from a Google engineer explaining the lag that I'll try to find. It helps understand the difference between iOS and Android.
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Just throwing my two-cents out there but I thought ICS was based on the linux 3.x series kernel and HC was on a 2.6 derivative... That alone makes me feel like ICS is more groud-up built OS as opposed to an OS derived directly from HC. Think revolution, not evolution. Or am I wrong or just blowing this out of proportion?
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Here's some links. There's a bunch of new APIs for developers to write against but, other than that, the only technical benefit to ICS is h/w acceleration. That already exists in HC. It seems that a lot of stuff the manufacturers added-on are now included natively in the OS. So it seems like a "revolution" for GB but "evolution" for HC. Any developers with more insight chime in.
ICS Features:
http://briefmobile.com/android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-announced-feature-list
ICS Developers Discussion:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/search/label/Android 4.0
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http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/android-30-hardware-acceleration.html
Downloaded thumb keyboard. Seems like the best keyboard for tablets. No lag when typing.
I think the consumers will be harsh on the prime because we had to wait for it and there was much hype about the prime. The reviewers from websites didn't spent their hard earned dollars on this piece of equipment.
The way I see it, we have every right to be harsh on judging the prime. We expected something that works. If there were kinks in the software, fine. But seems like we have some real concerns about this device that aren't just kinks.
Hopefully ASUS actually reading these feedbacks and are going to address our concerns soon.
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I dont own a prime but this situation reminds me a lot of when the galaxy s first came out. The reviews were overwelmingly positive but once i got my device it turned out to be nothing like the reviews. It took months and an actual hardware revision before it worked ok.
Never trust early reviews and avoid being an early adopter. I want to see how it performs on ics before buying.
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The link below is to a blog from Dianne Hackborn. She's a software engineer at Google and works in Android OS development. She provides, in great detail, an explanation of how Android renders graphics. She compares Android to iOS and discusses why there's perceived stuttering and/or lag and what Google's doing to make it better.
There are tons of posts here where people are looking at ICS to be the second coming of Christ. It is for 2.X users. For HC users, not so much. HC is the foundation for ICS and the h/w acceleration that was introduced in HC isn't going to change in ICS. Bottom line is ICS will bring a teriffic new UI, updates to many existing OS functions, new features, and the inclusion in the OS natively many of the functions previously added by the manufacturers (EG: MKV support). Like all OS updates, it will be more refined then the versions preceding it but it is an evolution of HC not an entirely new OS. In other words, the biggest technical enhancement is introducing h/w acceleration to 2.X devices; something we HC users already have.
There's been discussions here about stuttering, lag, and the performance of some apps not seeming to benefit from a quad-core processor. Dianne's blog explains why that is and why ICS isn't going to change much. The fastest h/w can't overcome s/w issues or bottlenecks and the GPU and memory bandwith can play a bigger role than the processor in graphics rendering. Hopefully Dianne's summary answers questions people have about UI performance and sets an expectation for ICS.
And, unless you too are an engineer on Google's payroll writing Android OS code, it would seem kind of futile to challenge what Dianne's stating as fact. In fact, if you have issues or comments for her, she responds to posts in her blog.
Happy reading - it's a long one.
https://plus.google.com/10505198573...8x93s#105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Where are all those fools that flamed me saying the ATP has no lag and is as "smooth as butter" even with the live wallpaper running in the background? Some of them also post how ICS is gonna own this and own that......yeah yeah yeah....blah blah blah. I'll reserve a wait and see attitude. I hope their right lol.
I just picked up my ATP w/dock. It took the opening of 3 units and a pissed off manager to get one with absolutely no defects and working wifi/gps. They ever tried to hide one from me. All 3 of them and the store demo experience lag. I only got it to take advantage of Tegra 3 optimized games and the sick dock. Compared to my ipad 2 the UI experience is meh...outside of Riptide GP & Shadowgun.
For gaming and general consumer usuage I choose iOS/A5 over Android/ATP. Hopefully when I have my ipad 2 on me no one shows up with Shadowgun on ATP
Thanks for the link!
That was a good read. Very informational. I always kinda thought thats how it works but didnt have any actual evidence, now I do..and have an even better understanding.
It isn't *just* ics that I think will make a big impact on the prime. Hardware accelleration is there, sure, but what we do have to like forward to is the software optimization for more than 2 cores, either done by Google for ics, or by Asus for the ics distribution we will eventually see.
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Where are all those fools that flamed me saying the ATP has no lag and is as "smooth as butter" even with the live wallpaper running in the background? Some of them also post how ICS is gonna own this and own that......yeah yeah yeah....blah blah blah. I'll reserve a wait and see attitude. I hope their right lol.
I just picked up my ATP w/dock. It took the opening of 3 units and a pissed off manager to get one with absolutely no defects and working wifi/gps. They ever tried to hide one from me. All 3 of them and the store demo experience lag. I only got it to take advantage of Tegra 3 optimized games and the sick dock. Compared to my ipad 2 the UI experience is meh...outside of Riptide GP & Shadowgun.
For gaming and general consumer usuage I choose iOS/A5 over Android/ATP. Hopefully when I have my ipad 2 on me no one shows up with Shadowgun on ATP
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I am running live wallpaper (Christmas HD), on normal mode, and THERE IS NO LAG in screen transitions. Call me a liar if you want. I can make a video if you like. Why are you so incessant about this? Calling me a fool? How old are you buddy?
All she have to say is bad news ...
anything good from her article ?
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It isn't *just* ics that I think will make a big impact on the prime. Hardware accelleration is there, sure, but what we do have to like forward to is the software optimization for more than 2 cores, either done by Google for ics, or by Asus for the ics distribution we will eventually see.
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Did you read the article? It's the GPU and memory bandwidth that impact the UI and what's rendered to the display. For video and other CPU intensive apps like games, the processors will do a better job at the task level but once the display gets involved there's not much they can do. You can only get 10 pounds of **** in a 10 pound bag.
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I am running live wallpaper (Christmas HD), on normal mode, and THERE IS NO LAG in screen transitions. Call me a liar if you want. I can make a video if you like. Why are you so incessant about this? Calling me a fool? How old are you buddy?
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How do you know I was calling you a fool? I guess if the shoot fits...huh?
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How do you know I was calling you a fool? I guess if the shoot fits...huh?
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*sigh*. If you can't see how your post implies that... you need to get honest with yourself about a couple things.
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*sigh*. If you can't see how your post implies that... you need to get honest with yourself about a couple things.
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I probably didn't give your post much thought. My bad. We're all on the same team. So help me out. After an exhaustive search for the perfect ATP at my local gamestop, I'm experience random restarts and 2 to 3 second freezes in Riptide. Any ideas?
If I can't fix this in 30 minutes I'm going to try to return it. I've only owned it for a little over an hour.
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I probably didn't give your post much thought. My bad. We're all on the same team. So help me out. After an exhaustive search for the perfect ATP at my local gamestop, I'm experience random restarts and 2 to 3 second freezes in Riptide. Any ideas?
If I can't fix this in 30 minutes I'm going to try to return it. I've only owned it for a little over an hour.
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We are all in the same boat. My screen is defective, what can I say? I've played both riptide and shadowgun with no problems, but I'm always in normal mode. Sounds like you got a dud?
I'll make sure to read the article. Barry always tell it like it is. whether we like it or not. is this a new blog or same one I think you posted before?
I'm glad my prime isn't suffering from these issues some users are experiencing.
seriously though, I wish these people didn't have issues so they could truly see how great this device really is. just as people with issues' , there's even more people greatly satisfied with prime/tegra3.
p.s. this thumb keyboard is really cool and works very well.
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All she have to say is bad news ...
anything good from her article ?
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I don't thinks it's bad news. For what I do with a tablet, I think Android's great. So much time and energy is spent seeking the perfectly fluid UI and transitions when, if you think about, we probably spend ten percent or less of our time moving between things and 90% doing things. If my choice is to give up the freedom of Android and move to iOS to avoid occasional stutter and lag, I'd rather stay on Android. The better GPU and increased memory bandwidth in Teg3 should make things incrementally better which is great. And I'm sure what Dianne shared is pretty well know so hopefully future chips will continue to improve the experience. My purpose of posting wasn't to piss and moan but just to share the science behind it all.
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is this a new blog or same one I think you posted before?
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It's new...
edit: spoke... to... slow...
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I probably didn't give your post much thought. My bad. We're all on the same team. So help me out. After an exhaustive search for the perfect ATP at my local gamestop, I'm experience random restarts and 2 to 3 second freezes in Riptide. Any ideas?
If I can't fix this in 30 minutes I'm going to try to return it. I've only owned it for a little over an hour.
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Did you DL the OTA update? Is it set to normal? I played with one at my local gamestop and it was great. Transitioned from screen to screen very smoothly and shadow gun was sick, just plan sick! It was super thin and sturdy and i can't wait to get mine on wednesday.
I do hope they fix the GPS issues that some people are having though. The won't effect me but obviously it really affects some.
As as far as the WIFI stuff is concerned I keep hearing about how many bars it shows and hear nothing about how the wifi actually functions. Other than that it works like any other device they have used.
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I probably didn't give your post much thought. My bad. We're all on the same team. So help me out. After an exhaustive search for the perfect ATP at my local gamestop, I'm experience random restarts and 2 to 3 second freezes in Riptide. Any ideas?
If I can't fix this in 30 minutes I'm going to try to return it. I've only owned it for a little over an hour.
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Just curious how you found a Gamestop that was open on Christmas Day. All of them in my area are closed, but I'd love to swing by and pick up an ATP if one's open.
BarryH_GEG said:
Did you read the article? It's the GPU and memory bandwidth that impact the UI and what's rendered to the display. For video and other CPU intensive apps like games, the processors will do a better job at the task level but once the display gets involved there's not much they can do. You can only get 10 pounds of **** in a 10 pound bag.
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I did read the article. Do we not have an increase in memory bandwidth over tegra2? Has HC been optimized for that? Does it matter? I would like someone to address the specific hardware differences.
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Nate Dawg said:
Just curious how you found a Gamestop that was open on Christmas Day. All of them in my area are closed, but I'd love to swing by and pick up an ATP if one's open.
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A Gamestop employee called me up and said that they got the primes and docks in and would open for 4 hours on Christmas. They had forgot that I canceled my original order on the 16th. I asked him if other Gamestop's are open and he said no. He only opened so we could get our primes by Christmas and to catch up on inventory. If you read my other post you'd see that the manager refused my return becuase of the Holiday and said he'd call me tomorrow.
Update: I was able to return my defective Prime
Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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cjbailey75 said:
Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes, it is the best 10.1" Wi-Fi Android tablet out there. The raging debate you're reading is about how long it will stay that way.
You will always hear negative things about any tablet when they first come out. That should be expected nowadays.
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Sorry, but really? there are many MANY threads discussing the viability of this topic.
"Best" is a relative concept. seriously. why clutter up the already exploding forum with truly useless threads?
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Have read so many negative comments just want to know if this is the best out or what. It has better spec than any other tablet but all I'm reading are complaints. Mine won't arrive til Wednesday and I haven't planned on buying the dock just picked up that black sleeve that reminds me of origami.
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Yes this is the best out for Android right now and probably stay that way for at least next 4 months or so. The negative comments are just the more vocal ones. More are completely satisfied with device. Like me, and others with none or very minor issues. I'm very satisfied with My prime. Best tablet I ever had and I came from an iPad. Which I loved also but the prime just blows away the Competition at the moment. As with any device, there will be initial issues that are real and effect some users. You have to remember they are the minority. Check out the positive prime thread and you will see how easily this device lived up to the hype and more.
I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I'm hoping to have mine tomorrow, and I'll probably be the same way with my wife yelling at me to put it down lol.
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I know what you mean..lol at least I prepared my Ipad got my woman to use. Signing off Facebook apps n such and deactivating my email accounts on there so she can add her info. I'll always still have access to it and have certain places in there locked down. So she can't go snooping in places she shouldn't be at...lmfao I still have to transfer websites/bookmarks, resume, etc.. To my prime though. My jail broken iPad is a great device but I have moved on to bigger and better, The Prime.
Thread should be moved to questions or closed. Best or not is subjective and a waste of time especially when OP has stated it has the best specs.
demandarin said:
I haven't been able to set the prime down since I got it
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Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
kavuday said:
Glad to see I'm not the only one...I was beginning to wonder if this was normal.
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Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
The Janitor Mop said:
Yes, it is the best Android tablet out right now.
Naturally, the best products out there receive the most scrutiny, so that's why you're reading so many "negative" things about the Prime right now. That's a byproduct of being one of the best products out there.
And as said already, the comments aren't about if the Prime is the best but rather about how long it will be the best. My personal view is that the Prime is an in-between device that is between the 1st gen Android tabs and the wave of 2nd gen tabs coming out in 2012, but I invite you to do your own research on the Prime and on upcoming tablets and to make your own decision on where the Prime stands.
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I ran out of thanks. Very well put.
If there's one thing I'm going to take with me when I die, it's that this world is composed of 99% whiners.
To this day, I still see people whine about the stupidest things about the TF101. Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle. I've seen some people whine about the TF101 not feeling like a laptop. In fact, I think that's the #1 complaint I've seen about the TF101. People bought it thinking they can use it like a laptop.
I've seen people whine about the background moving slightly when you scroll from screen to screen.
I have the acer iconia, and so I've seen people whine about ridiculous things about that as well. Everything from the metalic back is cold to the touch to the sensor grid being visible under certain light at certain angle to it doesn't feel like a laptop.
Why is it that the prevalent whine for any tablet is that it doesn't feel like a laptop? Why the hell do people buy the tablet with the intention to use it like a laptop? Is there some kind of mental block involved here?
This is not to say that I see every complaint as a whine. In fact, I think there are many legit complaints about design flaws, software bugs, etc. You just have to filter out all the whines to see the real legit and constructive criticisms.
The point is don't just blindly look at the negative reviews. Actually read those negative reviews and try to weed out all the whines.
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Here's an example.
http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T...?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar
goodintentions said:
Some examples are a few people whining about being able to see the capacitive sensor grid under certain lighting at a certain angle.
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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I love that.... I can tilt it different ways and see cool different patterns. It's fun to look at...
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I'm not on anything, I swear!
The Prime is the best tablet with the best Tablet-OS right now.
This could or will change in a few months, but this is normal in these days.
Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards
- SLOW web browser
- Short Battery Life
- No real noticable difference performance improvemant compared to my Toshiba Thrive
JWortner said:
Sorry to say but I am not impressed with this tablet. I want to be, but it is just not happening. I just posted an initial review where you can read the details but to summarize:
- Hard to hold, very slippery
- Horrible keyboards...as compared to what? Not sure if you've heard about Andorid market, but the legends tells of many keyboard alternatives it posses.
- SLOW web browser...as compared to what? An iPad (yes it's not iOS)? or your Thrive? Again see above comment.
- Short Battery Life...you've had it for at best a week, the battery is nowhere near broken in.
- No real noticeable difference performance improvement compared to my Toshiba Thrive....Curious, what do you use your tablet for to measure this "performance"? Your email reading isn't going to get any faster with the T3...
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See the above edited quote. It seems you do not perceive the device to meet your expectations...easy solution, return the prime and keep using your Thrive as it is obviously a better solution for you.
My big issue with Prime is that it has gotten lukewarm reviews since release, especially by its users. While people were criticizing my fears and predictions a month ago, reality is that Prime is not as big a step forward as hoped, neither in software nor in hardware.
Hardware seems to be flawed with weak WiFi and the chance of getting a device with some sort of hardware flaw, including light bleeds, weak GPS, dead pixels, weak and unresponsive touch screen, screen that is dusty from behind the glass, or a device that just does not turn on, is higher than that of an average new product. Especially when compared to Apple's releases, which - while not flawless - hasn't made me fearful for the products quality that I am buying. I love Android so much more as a software, despite its weaknesses, simply because the ecosystem and much better openness compared to Apple are worth it for me. It pains me to see a device that has flawed and untested hardware.
Second issue is software. Quad-core does not improve anything much and ICS will not improve things other than (hopefully) the browser. Prime has very little RAM, which I think would be much better for an Android device than quad-core. Prime would be a better device with higher-clocked dual-core processor and 2GB of RAM. And you have to remember that the snappiness of software is highly dependent on hardware too, a recent Finnish review pointed out that the touchscreen is simply weak and not as responsive as it should be, making the software seem slow. This too won't be fixed by ICS.
And let's not forget the issue that I raised very early on about the Prime: battery life. Now that users actually have the device, it has become clear that battery life on Transformer Prime sucks. Everybody was up with pitchforks when I made those early predictions, but those were true predictions. Users report 6-7 hours of battery life in actual use, which is far from 10+ hours. Even with fresh battery this is very little. This means that I could not use Prime as the main device for lectures and web browsing while at University.
I will still be buying it and hoping that I won't get a flawed device, since I'm ordering it internationally and returns are a pain. At least it should be better than the original Transformer. But main reason for my purchase is the keyboard dock. If I did not want the keyboard dock, I would not purchase Transformer Prime.
That makes 3 of us. My wife has gotten mad at me a few times... Lol
I love it, but I am itching for some ICS.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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>Finally a good review
>http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-nexus-10-review
No way!! A flagship Android tablet getting a good review from an Android site?! SHOCK!
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IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR. :angel:
>IT'S GOOD BECAUSE IT SAYS EVERYTHING WE WANT TO HEAR.
Hahah yeah exactly. Just as Fox News is good for conservatives and MSNBC is good for liberals. Actually, I shouldn't laugh; selective input is the scourge of today's society.
BTW, I did skim over abovesaid review. Typical fanboy drivel.
"...everything about the Nexus 10 just screams bad-ass."
"Tis a good time to be an Android fan."
And what would you like? It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem. It's hard to come across a review, which would be written by a person not using either Android or iOS in everyday life, so there is always going to be bias in som sense.
Anyways, Jerry from AndroidCentral is very good with reviews and I believe that if there was something fundementaly wrong with the tablet, he would mention it.
>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
Now, I understand that many people prefer the assurance of an "expert," which I suppose include your garden-variety blogger. Given my iconoclastic bent, I sadly must part with such security blankets.
>It is a good time to be an Android fan and Nexus 10 owner to support the tablet app ecosystem.
It would be a good time for fans if N10 turns out to be successful and engenders a flood of tab apps. We are all hoping for that. But that has yet to happen, so please excuse while I go sit on the eggs.
I realize I'm fated to be the eternal pessimist, but selling N10 retail at $499 isn't the best formula for said success, IMO. That said, please don't let this Neg Nancy spoil your joy.
Really, I hope N10 does well. Rah rah.
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>And what would you like?
What I would like is not to have to take some dude's word (confession: my opinion of the typical blogger is not high.) I'm conversant enough with the tech to make my own assessment. What I would like are hard data (basically numbers and specs,) plus any insight from the reviewer's firsthand use. The reviewer's opinion matters as well, if I can accord it credibility. I don't need the "oh it's great you'll love it trust me" rah-rah crap.
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And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Specs: Check.
Personal observations: Check
Personal insight: Check
Specifications on the N10 have been out for weeks, not much more to cover there, but he did include them for the sake of article completeness.
He made fairly astute observations about how it felt in the hand, how it struck him aesthetically, how the device performed, etc.
So his "review crime" was prefacing the article with enthusiasm? He's discredited because he liked the device? That's pretty valuable information in the "insight" category as far as I'm concerned. Sure, it's subjective, but all reviews that are more than regurgitating specs are when you get right down to it.
Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category. But actually using it on a non-touchscreen device will quickly bring to light its weaknesses. However, you really only get that sort of information from either hands-on use or (wait for it) subjective reviews.
I like benchmarks as much as the next guy, and really appreciate sites like Anandtech that have a good methodology for testing. But, I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review. Case in point, I don't own any Apple products.
>And what criteria was the AC review missing for you?
Nothing. There were no new insights gleaned--other than that the reviewer is a rabid Android fanboy. Most N10 aspects have already been revealed. The only unknowns remaining are left to the final build, which reportedly are being pushed out OTA as we speak. Hopefully, we'll get info for 4.2's multi-user acct and (possible) Miracast support tomorrow from reviewers.
>Specs: Check.
>Personal observations: Check
If only it were as simple as filling out a checklist, yes?
>Windows 8, for example, in purely objective review format, is superior to Windows 7 in every category.
There's little I can say here to one who has no clue what the word "objective" means. Perhaps you know what "oxymoron" means.
BTW, if Win8 were so awesome, Sinofsky wouldn't be packing his bag right now.
>I like benchmarks as much as the next guy
I don't, as benchmarks rarely matter outside of geek circles. But it's a piece of hard data, assuming proper methodology--which all too often is faulty. Anyway, there are many other important aspects not covered in the typical blog "review" (quotes intentional.) One good case in point is the universally rosy blog reviews of the Asus TF Prime, which turned out to be quite the opposite in real-world use.
>I don't buy ANYTHING based on a cold hard Anandtech-style review.
Anandtech has its pitfalls. Its forte is CPU architectures and traditional x86 desktop testing. Mobile devices and testing are outside of its core competency, and it shows. To wit: The Asus TF Prime was given a similar thumbs-up along with the rest of the blogging circuit. I've noted other lapses. Regardless, its reviews are usually detailed enough, benchmarks aside, that one doesn't have to lean so heavily on the reviewer's judgment. Per the homily: Show me, don't tell me.
In case it's not clear by now, it's more important to review the reviewer than the object being reviewed, because once you know the first, you know the second.
So now we are cherry-picking reviews?! This reminds me of a certain presidential candidate who decided he wasn't really behind, the polls just needed unskewing
And Anandtech rocks! Always has always will
If most of the reviews say its a nice device with so so viewing angles and average battery life then I'm inclined to believe them. And nobody will argue with the fact that that Android tablet App selection needs work compared to iOS.
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/nexus-10-tablet-is-a-solid-house-built-on-shifting-sands/
dakine said:
That said, Apple is an arrogant ****e company and their saint Steve was a prick who never cared about anyone but himself so for me its an easy choice.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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"These products are crap because I don't like the guy who made the company"
How about coming up with a sensible reason,
e.g. "I don't want an iPad because I find iOS to be a bit stale, and I like to be able to tinker with my devices.
Pretty sure how a dead guy acted/ how a company acted wouldn't usually affect your product choices, so stop being silly about apple being apple and instead point out the flaws in the tech rather than the company.
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Unlike silly fanboys I look objectively at the pros and cons of a product. I stated that the iPad was still a bit better tablet than the nexus and clearly listed why. If a company's policies, leadership and general attitude bother me then I don't want to buy their products, so it most definitely affects my product choices. I don't need any other reason than that. I'm soooo sorry if that's not sensible enough for you
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