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Is there anyone out there who is willing to point me in the right direction for re purposing my retired Eris (RIP 02-12-13)? Hoping it can be a tool for learning (still in A- shape), instead of a paperweight! I have been doing some reading, but downloading is another story, mostly 404s out there now.
P.S. First post in any forum ever, just a humble android noob searching for knowledge and stable Roms from those who offer, sorry if I have posted this in the wrong place, obviously I have posted at the wrong time! A million thanks in advance to anyone with good news or advice!
DB73 said:
Is there anyone out there who is willing to point me in the right direction for re purposing my retired Eris (RIP 02-12-13)? Hoping it can be a tool for learning (still in A- shape), instead of a paperweight! I have been doing some reading, but downloading is another story, mostly 404s out there now.
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What is it you are looking for? I have copies of a lot of ROMs.
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What is it you are looking for? I have copies of a lot of ROMs.
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Hello, and thank you, I am happy to here some good news. I am obviously new to this, but I love to try out different OSs and remaster them the way I see fit. I have just not taken the plunge with android. Since I have never installed any, it's hard to say witch ones I would like best. I would take any ROMs I could get. I figure I can experiment and learn with my Eris, then re purpose it for my son to play games, take pictures etc.
P.S. I downloaded the Jcase / Eclipse3 one click root. Is this the method you would recommend for getting su privileges? I would love to hear your preference on an easy and up to date rooting method. My Eris is currently bone stock with official 2.1, and up to date according to it.
DB73 said:
Hello, and thank you, I am happy to here some good news. I am obviously new to this, but I love to try out different OSs and remaster them the way I see fit. I have just not taken the plunge with android. Since I have never installed any, it's hard to say witch ones I would like best. I would take any ROMs I could get. I figure I can experiment and learn with my Eris, then re purpose it for my son to play games, take pictures etc.
P.S. I downloaded the Jcase / Eclipse3 one click root. Is this the method you would recommend for getting su privileges? I would love to hear your preference on an easy and up to date rooting method. My Eris is currently bone stock with official 2.1, and up to date according to it.
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Yes, if you can find the JCase 1-click root, that will root the phone just fine.
There is another method very well documented here: http://androidforums.com/eris-all-things-root/127861-universal-eris-root-dummies.html (which also walks you through installing for your first custom ROM.)
I have some ROMs in my Dropbox if you can't find links.
xtrSENSE (stock 2.1 Eris ROM, rooted): https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220420/Eris/xtrSENSE/xtrSENSE5.0.1.zip
Workshed's GSB: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dvpuv4sbwmun43f/GSB.v4.5-final_ODEXED_CM7.2-Eris.zip
CondemnedSoul's CM7.2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/g1irvshpg7u7trr/CCM7_Eris_V24_RIP.zip
The last two are CyanogenMod Gingerbread ROMs. I think that GSB requires that you also flash Google apps in order to get the market. If so, you can get it from CyanogenMod here: http://cmw.22aaf3.com/gapps/gapps-gb-20110828-signed.zip
(So, if you need to flash gapps, you go into Recovery. Wipe data/factory reset. Flash the ROM. Flash google apps. THEN restart the phone.)
doogald said:
Yes, if you can find the JCase 1-click root, that will root the phone just fine.
Just realized why it wouldn't let me post, because of the links in my reply, :silly:
Thank You, I downloaded the ROMs. The link for gapps is dead though. Was that just needed for Workshed's GSB or also for CM7.2?
I have a few questions to throw out there:
1. I was thinking about doing another factory reset, my attempt to have a clean recovery. What will non-activation after boot with no service do?
2. Does vanilla = fast, lightweight, performance, more partition space for user? If so, do you have any recommendation / or a link?
3. Rumored Jellybean for the Eris, love to find the latest build, is it still available? Links point here (XDA) but no download.
4. Is there any way to get google play instead of market working on the Eris?
(((Thanks again for everything)))
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Thank You, I downloaded the ROMs. The link for gapps is dead though. Was that just needed for Workshed's GSB or also for CM7.2?
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Try this one: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110828-signed.zip
CondemnedSoul's includes the Google apps already and does not require a separate flash of the gapps zip file.
Ok, I just checked: GSB does NOT require google apps, either; they are already included. You can ignore that step.
I have a few questions to throw out there:
1. I was thinking about doing another factory reset, my attempt to have a clean recovery. What will non-activation after boot with no service do?
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Oh, good question. I would avoid it if you can. The Eris will insist that you activate. However, if you follow the prompt to activate and then press the disconnect button as soon as you hear it ring, it will try activation again two more times. If you disconnect after hearing the ring those two times as well, the phone will give up on activation and allow to continue with setup.
2. Does vanilla = fast, lightweight, performance, more partition space for user? If so, do you have any recommendation / or a link?
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Not necessarily. In my experience, xtrSENSE is fastest, but the GB ROMs are just fine. You may not notice the difference. However, xtrSENSE has a method called cache2cache that frees up more storage space or user applications and data. If you install a lot of apps, xtrSENSE may give you more space.
That said, there are disadvantages, including missing out on apps that do not run on android 2.1.
There is something called xtrcache2cache that you can flash on the GB ROMs to give you the same sort of space. I'll try to find a link.w
3. Rumored Jellybean for the Eris, love to find the latest build, is it still available? Links point here (XDA) but no download.
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I've never tried it, and I can't believe it runs with any sort of decent performance anyway.
4. Is there any way to get google play instead of market working on the Eris?
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Not on android 2.1, but the two gingerbread ROMs will update the market to the play store.
xtrcache2cache is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924562
The download link there seems to work.
Copy that file (xtrCMCache2cache.zip) to your SD card. This is only for the Gingerbread ROMs - it's not necessary for xtrSENSE.
Restart the phone to recovery. If you have already flashed one of those ROMs, simply flash that xtrCMCache2cache.zip file - do not wipe data or Dalvik cache first. Restart the phone, and you'll have probably about 20-30 MB more free storage space for apps and data.
If you have not already flashed GSB or CondemnedSoul's, do this:
- restart in Recovery
- wipe menu
- wipe data/factory reset
- main menu
- flash a zip file, and choose GSB or Condemned
- flash a zip file, and choose xtrCMCache2cache.zip
- restart the phone
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xtrcache2cache is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924562
OK, I will read what I have gathered one or two more times before taking the plunge. I am thinking of using the Jcase method, it seems pretty much idiot proof. I have the file and ROMs stored on my PC, and now on a CD as well, just so I don't loose them. If I have this right, I will:
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Copy the Jcase one click root file to an empty SD card, install a file explorer app capable of launching it, take a deep breath, here we go Or maybe I have to copy to android filesystem first?
1. Execute Jcase's one click, and after reboot, I should have the Amon Ra recovery. This is simple, but also the most dangerous part? If this were to fail, it would be similar to a bad BIOS flash. This would brick the phone, if I am understanding this correctly.
2. Then Use the recovery to flash rootme.zip now located on SDCard. Going to use a 2 Gb card from my old LG 8350 (phone before Eris).
3. Do Nand backup of semi clean stock OS. By doing so I will loose the stock recovery for good, meaning no more resets to OG clean?
3.5? On second thought, doing one last reset first would remove all user data with my name and credentials. It may be wise to do this, as it will eventually be in the hands of a 5 year old. This would prevent accidental purchases, I think! On the other hand, if I ever break or loose my new phone and need a temp phone, I could keep this image (as is) to use temporarily with Verison until I get a replacement! I can only choose one of these options. I guess the latter is best, and use only a custom ROM for my son to play with. Hopefully I can temporarily disable or somehow limit su before giving it too him.
4. Do Nand backup of original official image, and put somewhere safe, like 2 places + on CD then remove from SD for more available space.
5. Flash one of the 3 downloaded ROMs and also xtrCMCache2cache if desired to desire-c
6. I assume that appstoSD is something I would need to download now, then add after previous steps, if I feel the need!
7. Then its off to test land! I hope I understand this correctly. The one step I have missed is definitely very important. I did not verify the MD5 on Jcase's one click. In fact I don't even remember where I downloaded it from. Truth being told, I have never manually done a MD5 verification! I guess I have one more step that I absolutely need to learn as it is much more important in Android, especially for recovery!
Edit: I have re downloaded the file from here (XDA), did not see a sum to compare it to? I hope the file still is OK!
Edit # 2 I downloaded a MD5 calculator and this is the output (F34FECFFB985553B68D66F6AC1EF27D3) for the erisone010.apk file
Another big thank you Doogald, If I have something wrong here, please, feel free to beat it into me now, before I do something stupid!
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DB73 said:
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Copy the Jcase one click root file to an empty SD card, install a file explorer app capable of launching it, take a deep breath, here we go Or maybe I have to copy to android filesystem first?
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No, Your regular SD card is fine. You do need to enable third-party app installs; you'll find that setting in settings->applications.
1. Execute Jcase's one click, and after reboot, I should have the Amon Ra recovery. This is simple, but also the most dangerous part? If this were to fail, it would be similar to a bad BIOS flash. This would brick the phone, if I am understanding this correctly.
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Yes. You must restart the phone as if you wanted to make a phone call. Many people get too eager and try to get into Recovery before full restarting.
I can't believe that flashing Amon_RA is all terribly dangerous. There are ways to recover. In fact, I have not seen anybody report a brick after running the JCase 1-click. I'm sure that it will be fine.
2. Then Use the recovery to flash rootme.zip now located on SDCard. Going to use a 2 Gb card from my old LG 8350 (phone before Eris).
3. Do Nand backup of semi clean stock OS. By doing so I will loose the stock recovery for good, meaning no more resets to OG clean?
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You *could* do the Nand Backup before running rootme.zip. Actually, you only really need to run rootme.zip if you want to do something with root with the stock Android you have now. Some people may, for example, install the application Titanium Backup Pro (which requires root) and batch backup all user apps (menu->batch and choose to run that option from the list) and then, after installing a new custom ROM, reinstall Titanium from the market/play store and then batch restore all missing apps and data. It's a very powerful way to get the phone running all of your apps and data without reinstalling from scratch.
That brings up one more thing: if you decide to install xtrSENSE, you do not need to do a factory reset if you want to keep all of your apps and data. Of course, if you want a fresh start you may, but xtrSENSE will keep all of your apps and data and give you a faster Eris with more room for apps and data.
Also, it *is* possible to get stock recovery back, though not without losing all of you data. There is a ROM called Flashback_21v2 that will bring back stock recovery and an unrooted Eris if you wish. The phone will act as if it was never rooted. You can find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792026
That would be a good thing to keep on your phone, just in case. (Though I have to say that I am hosting the location of those files on my website and I have no plans to stop doing so, so they should be around for a while...) You'll probably be fine with the "no radio" version, but if you can spare the space on your computer, (that's a bit of a joke; the files are small), I'd download both.
3.5? On second thought, doing one last reset first would remove all user data with my name and credentials. It may be wise to do this, as it will eventually be in the hands of a 5 year old. This would prevent accidental purchases, I think!
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In that case, you DEFINITELY want to wipe data, even with xtrSENSE!
On the other hand, if I ever break or loose my new phone and need a temp phone, I could keep this image (as is) to use temporarily with Verison until I get a replacement! I can only choose one of these options.
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No, you can do both. Do a Nand Backup of the phone after you root it, which will be stored on the SD card. Wipe data/factory reset and you can installa ROM and then always go back into recover and Nand restore what you backed up originally to get your phone back as it was when you ran the backup. Familiar with Norton Ghost for Windows PCs? That's what Nand backup and restore does - it takes a full snapshot of your phone as it is, and when you restore, it's as if you had just turned off your phone for a long time - it's back to the way it was at the time you made the backup. You can have multiple backups stored - as many as will fit on the SD card.
6. I assume that appstoSD is something I would need to download now, then add after previous steps, if I feel the need!
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Well... xtrSENSE support apps2sd as it is, and there are scripts to turn that functionality on. The GB ROMs support using the Android-native moving of apps to sd, so I would avoid apps2sd for them.
7. Then its off to test land! I hope I understand this correctly. The one step I have missed is definitely very important. I did not verify the MD5 on Jcase's one click. In fact I don't even remember where I downloaded it from. Truth being told, I have never manually done a MD5 verification! I guess I have one more step that I absolutely need to learn as it is much more important in Android, especially for recovery!
Edit: I have re downloaded the file from here (XDA), did not see a sum to compare it to? I hope the file still is OK!
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The MD5 I have for 1click is f34fecffb985553b68d66f6ac1ef27d3
HOWEVER, can I suggest instead that you use the 1-click root here, prepared by Scary Alien: http://androidforums.com/eris-all-t...2-custom-recovery-trackball-not-required.html
If you look at the bottom of the first post, "Scenario 5", there is another version of 1click with a better version of Amon_RA (that allows you to use the hardware keys to navigate recovery, rather than just the trackball; sometimes the trackball doesn't work in the original Amon_RA). That version I guarantee is safe, and Scary Alien has the MD5 right there.
I am guessing multi-quote is what I should have tried on this instead of deleting?
OK, running 1 click directly from from SD card. Third-party apps ticked on before hand, check.
After running 1 click, do normal restart, then shutdown, then go into recovery via vol / end start up.
No bricks reported, that is very good news. Also good to hear that there may be a procedure for un-bricking in the unlikely event!
My Eris already has already has all apps removed, I tried to make it as clean and small as possible. Just looked at the xtrSENSE page and copied some tips, sounds nice and fast, liking that!
Awesome, I downloaded all 3 including Cupcake, in case I want to remember what that was like.
I did exactly that, downloaded both.
I will give this some extra thought before giving it to my son.
I have never used Norton Ghost, but I have used Macrium Reflect, Seagate Disk Wizard, Acronis etc. I get the image/snapshot thing. I plan to store backups in other locations, then copy back to SD if and when needed.
Just did some reading on the xtrSENSE page about aps2sd, guess I will do some more reading about native moving of apps to sd soon.
The MD5 I have matches yours. I downloaded MD5 Calculator and I guess it works.
After reading the page including "Scenario 5" I absolutely agree. I downloaded it, and will use the "scary alien" modded version with the added functionality. Thank you very much for pointing this out. Looks like no change in the simple execution besides the app/file to run, very nice!
Doogald, I can clearly see that you go out of your way to help others to say the least, I am sure its appreciated by more than just me, Thanks!
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I will give this some extra thought before giving it to my son.
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Hey, one other thing: CondemnedSoul posted a script that you can run that disables the mobile radio, so you can make the device WiFi only. It's here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1216571
I have to say that I have never tried it, but it seems from the replies in that thread that many have, successfully.
Jelly Bean build anyone?
This may be redundant, but does anyone have a copy of the eris jelly bean rom laying around? Just found my old rooted eris with cyanogenmod and I would like to try jelly bean or ICS.
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This may be redundant, but does anyone have a copy of the eris jelly bean rom laying around? Just found my old rooted eris with cyanogenmod and I would like to try jelly bean or ICS.
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Of course it isn't redundant, in fact this maintains the forum active, well a bit.
Here is the Jellybean Rom you requested, it is from MongooseHelix's build. It has a different Gapps package from what MongooseHelix actually established but I assume no issues may occur. :highfive:
https://copy.com/TgfFHxTqOHPJ
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
Chase716 said:
Is it possible to root the Fascinate without deleting data, or at least a temporary root?
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Absolutely. You'd have to search/dig through older posts, but the general idea is this:
> Get a recovery .zip file that will install Superuser and put it onto the SDCARD
> Flash a custom recovery (typically ClockworkMod) using ODIN
> Reboot into recovery and install the .zip file
Basically for the Fascinate, all you really need to do is get the proper version of the Superuser application and it's corresponding su binary installed. The Samsung ODIN tool allows you to replace the stock recovery with a custom one, and that custom recovery will allow you to install Superuser/root the device. This only modifies the SYSTEM volume and does not affect any of your data at all. It's obviously more complicated, but essentially behaves as if you could just root by installing something from the Google Play Store.
There should be a TON of resources/threads out here and on other sites with how to actually accomplish this and provide the necessary files for the Fascinate, but as long as you pick a process that generally has the steps listed above, your data *should* be 100% safe.
... so get Googling and root that thing! lol :victory:
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Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
Chase716 said:
Well the only thing is, that I'm not supposed to root it, and I only want a temporary root to remove bloatware. Superoneclick's shell root didn't work, and neither did z4root.
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well if you get more interested I suggest you try a 4.2.2 ROM you won't be disappointed
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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Well that does sound really nice, especially since i enjoyed CyanogenMod on my Incredible 2, but I can not flash any ROMs, I cannot completely root, and I cannot even flash a new recovery. And if I did flash a ROM, I think it would have to be manually activated since it does not have a SIM Card, leading him to find out I rooted. I just want a temp root to remove the bloatware I do not use.
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I don't think there are any temp-root solutions out there for the Gingerbread Fascinate, as the community was well beyond using exploits by that time Could be wrong, but I looked around and didn't really find anything. It might be worth looking around for a generic Linux 2.6.35-based exploit that somebody has compiled for the ARM processor.
Question ... what would prevent you from temporarily flashing a custom recovery to make the edits you want? If you don't change anything else, it would be overwritten with the stock recovery on the next boot, thus covering your tracks (and we can get the stock recovery back on there for ya if for some reason it doesn't). Many (most?) recoveries will allow ADB access when active, so you can mount system and do what you need to do without actually rooting the stock ROM.
Also, don't worry too much about the CDMA activation status, unless you check a certain box in the Samsung ODIN tool there is almost no way to screw that information up doing what you're looking to do. The CDMA keys are stored in a super double secret location that you ordinarily can't get to. The option is called "EFS Clear", don't go anywhere near it.
If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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If you do find a solution that fits your needs, I also recommend you have a plan to restore the SYSTEM volume back to stock in case you make a mistake, like deleting a critical file. We can help with that as well if you are ultimately willing to use the ODIN tool. I just want to make sure you're prepared for that possibility as it sounds like if you temporarily break this device you'll be in big trouble
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
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You should be able to unroot via SuperOneClick after you've fully rooted and debloated the thing. Whoever's keeping an eye on that Fassy hopefully won't notice!
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Yeah, but two more things: first, can someone give me a very detailed tutorial on ODIN for my device, and could someone also give me the files i may need in order to delete the bloatware, no flashing, no data wipes or anything like that? Because the bloatware is what I think slows my phone down. And what if something does not go right?
Sent from my Galaxy S Fascinate SCH-I500
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Does the person you're hiding this from even know the difference between what GB and JB looks like? What's to say if you have an AOSP or CM-based JB rom that they'd even know it's not stock?
Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
For a detailed guide on pretty much anything related to rooting/flashing just check droidstyle's guide here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1238070
For freezing or removing bloat I highly recommend buying Titanium Backup, but there are some free apps that will do that sorta stuff. Titanium will give you way more options down the road though...
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Anyway, if you buy Nova Launcher prime I know you can hide apps from your drawer, so if you wanted to say hide TiBu or Superuser you could do that and throw someone off if they're just taking a quick look at your app drawer. Nova doesn't work on GB though I think, so you might have to look for a different launcher to do that if you want to stay on stock.
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I believe he does, since when I rooted my Incredible 2 he noticed it was completely different and not HTC Sense skinned, and I'd explained to him the Android operating system. And I use ADW EX as my default launcher, only because I can't use the TwLauncher due to lag issues. So I've hidden my bloat apps, but things still stay open in the background.
This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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This might be a long shot, but have you ever tried to explain to him that rooting is actually more secure than having an unrooted phone? Try to get him to understand that with a rooted device you can actually make FULL backups of your device in case anything goes wrong, unlike the half-assed backups that non-rooted devices have to use. Also, rooted devices allow you to install the latest (secure) versions of android unlike non-rooted which force you to wait for updates that may never come.
Anyway, if that fails, I would recommend to root and freeze/remove with Titanium
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I wish. He won't listen, and he'll just say that it's bad, I don't need to root my phone,and that I'll break it, like my old one ( NOT MY FAULT!). That is why I wanted to do it secretly, temporarily, or something like that. I know it's good, and that there are risks. So is there any way I can root (no flashing) and keep it hidden? Also, I went into the bootloader, and saw an option that said update.zip. Would that be useful, to maybe flash the EH09 Fascinate rom?
UPDATE: Thanks for the help everyone, but I'm most likely going to ditch the Fascinate for a Galaxy SIII. So maybe sometime I'll find the time to experiment with ROMS on my Fascinate sometime.
Hi there,
Joined these forums to see if any fellow Safestrap users could help... I installed a custom rom (HyperDrive) onto the stock rom boot option in Safestrap, despite the big red text saying NOT TO INSTALL A CUSTOM ROM ON STOCK ROM.
My problem is: I have 3 different partitions on my phone, each with a different version of hyperdrive. The phone's original capacity is 16gb, but now it has the three different partitions within that 16 gb. I want to unroot and get rid of all these partitions. Anyone know how to help?
How did you create the partitions in the first place? Safestrap makes no sense to me.
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How did you create the partitions in the first place? Safestrap makes no sense to me.
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When you recover into SafeStrap, there are 8 menus. One of the menus is boot options. You click on boot options and you're given 4 partition portions (depending on the internal storage size of your device). 3 of the choices are custom rom slots, one of the choices is stock rom. If you wipe your stock rom, you're out of luck. You can have a whole bunch of other roms preloaded, but if you remove your stock rom and have no backups, you're finished...
So, the question is, how can I get all 16 gb back and restore my phone completely?
Thanks dude
SafeStrap Custom Rom Support -- Answer
brykayne said:
When you recover into SafeStrap, there are 8 menus. One of the menus is boot options. You click on boot options and you're given 4 partition portions (depending on the internal storage size of your device). 3 of the choices are custom rom slots, one of the choices is stock rom. If you wipe your stock rom, you're out of luck. You can have a whole bunch of other roms preloaded, but if you remove your stock rom and have no backups, you're finished...
So, the question is, how can I get all 16 gb back and restore my phone completely?
Thanks dude
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I believe it operates the same way on the S4 as it did on my Razr. There should be a directory on your internal storage (sdcard0) named SafeStrap; that is where your images are stored for any custom ROM -- each one should be in a directory of it's own (Slot1, Slot2, etc), with each of those directories containing it's own system.img, cache.img and userdata.img files.
I don't believe that Safestrap will let you wipe the stock ROM slot -- hashcode has built a lot of safety features into it!
In order to uninstall Safestrap, even though you uninstall it in your Applications, you may have to use adb. If you aren't interesting in keeping the custom ROMS you have in those slots, you can simply uninstall Safestrap and then delete that Safestrap directory on your internal storage. After that, if you reboot and it still goes into Safestrap recovery before booting the stock image, you'll have to uninstall Safestrap with adb. If you need to use adb to get rid of it, go to HashCode's page -- blog.hash-of-codes.com/2012/12/27/how-to-manually-remove-safestrap-via-adb/ -- where he has full instructions -- it is only about 8 command lines and only takes a couple of minutes.
Sorry I had to post the link like that, but this STUPID board thinks I'm too "new" to post a frigging link to one of it's own developers!
budding_developer said:
I believe it operates the same way on the S4 as it did on my Razr. There should be a directory on your internal storage (sdcard0) named SafeStrap; that is where your images are stored for any custom ROM -- each one should be in a directory of it's own (Slot1, Slot2, etc), with each of those directories containing it's own system.img, cache.img and userdata.img files.
I don't believe that Safestrap will let you wipe the stock ROM slot -- hashcode has built a lot of safety features into it!
In order to uninstall Safestrap, even though you uninstall it in your Applications, you may have to use adb. If you aren't interesting in keeping the custom ROMS you have in those slots, you can simply uninstall Safestrap and then delete that Safestrap directory on your internal storage. After that, if you reboot and it still goes into Safestrap recovery before booting the stock image, you'll have to uninstall Safestrap with adb. If you need to use adb to get rid of it, go to HashCode's page -- blog.hash-of-codes.com/2012/12/27/how-to-manually-remove-safestrap-via-adb/ -- where he has full instructions -- it is only about 8 command lines and only takes a couple of minutes.
Sorry I had to post the link like that, but this STUPID board thinks I'm too "new" to post a frigging link to one of it's own developers!
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Thanks for your help! I'm going to try it out now. I'll let you know my results.
brykayne said:
Thanks for your help! I'm going to try it out now. I'll let you know my results.
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Just getting to this now... school's been busy.
Will post results by the end of the weekend!
You can wipe the primary slot.
I'm running GPE on that slot now.
You can make a backup of your Safestrap compatible rom and I suggest one of your primary slot, and restore the backup to the primary, then delete all the slots.
Test your backups! And remember if you wipe your primary slot Safestrap is gone! You must reinstall it to get the recovery menu again.
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I tried using ADB to remove Safestrap and it didn't work.
I downloaded root browser and noticed that, for some reason, I have 5 gb of storage taken up by something unknown.
My next question is: Where are the files on my internal storage for Safestrap? Can I delete those?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've been trying to figure this out for weeks... I just want my normal phone back!
So I decided I wanted to root my s4 mk2. Did a bunch of research, found out I can only root using saferoot. Alright, got it rooted, great. Found out I can only use safestrap in addition to saferoot. Okay, I didn't have a problem with that. But then I found out I can really only use like hyperdrive as a rom. So I tried downloading it, wouldnt download. Oh well, I decided I would wait until more roms comes out for my verizon s4 mk2 and I only had lie 2.5 gb space left. I looked up the thread to delete safestrap 3.71, which is the one I downloaded. It said to remove via apk file. This is where I got stumped... I only understand that the apk file is what android apps use. But how and where do I access these files? I got file manager, searched apk files, and deleted the one that said safestrap. I deleted the safestrap app afterwards. But my memory was still large. I found out safestrap is based in TWRP. Okay, so I went in my storage in the settings and deleted twrp which took up almost 4 gb. But I rebooted my s4, and it still boots to the safestrap screen. I'm nit sure what I'm missing and stuff. Btw, this was my first attempted root and stuff.
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So I decided I wanted to root my s4 mk2. Did a bunch of research, found out I can only root using saferoot. Alright, got it rooted, great. Found out I can only use safestrap in addition to saferoot. Okay, I didn't have a problem with that. But then I found out I can really only use like hyperdrive as a rom. So I tried downloading it, wouldnt download. Oh well, I decided I would wait until more roms comes out for my verizon s4 mk2 and I only had lie 2.5 gb space left. I looked up the thread to delete safestrap 3.71, which is the one I downloaded. It said to remove via apk file. This is where I got stumped... I only understand that the apk file is what android apps use. But how and where do I access these files? I got file manager, searched apk files, and deleted the one that said safestrap. I deleted the safestrap app afterwards. But my memory was still large. I found out safestrap is based in TWRP. Okay, so I went in my storage in the settings and deleted twrp which took up almost 4 gb. But I rebooted my s4, and it still boots to the safestrap screen. I'm nit sure what I'm missing and stuff. Btw, this was my first attempted root and stuff.
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So going into settings>application manager and trying to uninstall Safestrap didn't work?
I'm guessing that you'll have to reinstall Safestrap through a file manager and then uninstalling it properly, but that's just a guess. The dev for Safestrap is here quite often.
What I think you mostly deleted when you jettisoned TWRP is your backup files.
alaskanman said:
So I decided I wanted to root my s4 mk2. Did a bunch of research, found out I can only root using saferoot. Alright, got it rooted, great. Found out I can only use safestrap in addition to saferoot. Okay, I didn't have a problem with that. But then I found out I can really only use like hyperdrive as a rom. So I tried downloading it, wouldnt download. Oh well, I decided I would wait until more roms comes out for my verizon s4 mk2 and I only had lie 2.5 gb space left. I looked up the thread to delete safestrap 3.71, which is the one I downloaded. It said to remove via apk file. This is where I got stumped... I only understand that the apk file is what android apps use. But how and where do I access these files? I got file manager, searched apk files, and deleted the one that said safestrap. I deleted the safestrap app afterwards. But my memory was still large. I found out safestrap is based in TWRP. Okay, so I went in my storage in the settings and deleted twrp which took up almost 4 gb. But I rebooted my s4, and it still boots to the safestrap screen. I'm nit sure what I'm missing and stuff. Btw, this was my first attempted root and stuff.
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You remove Safestrap like you delete any other application, using the Application Manager (Settings, more, Application manager).
Doing that will allow Safestrap to remove any slots and the recovery image.
Well, with the way you've taken a sledgehammer to your phone, it may require another sledgehammer to recover it.
Try re-installing Safestrap. Once that's done, use it to remove the Safestrap recovery.
Then, use App manager to remove it. Hopefully that'll get the storage back.
If not, flash a no-wipe ROM.
k1mu said:
You remove Safestrap like you delete any other application, using the Application Manager (Settings, more, Application manager).
Doing that will allow Safestrap to remove any slots and the recovery image.
Well, with the way you've taken a sledgehammer to your phone, it may require another sledgehammer to recover it.
Try re-installing Safestrap. Once that's done, use it to remove the Safestrap recovery.
Then, use App manager to remove it. Hopefully that'll get the storage back.
If not, flash a no-wipe ROM.
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Do you think he'd have to backup the files he might want to save and reformat his internal storage before he flashes the no wipe?
I'm asking only because I've installed Hyperdrive to the stock slot and have not created any other slots. I suspect I'll have to flash a no wipe if I have to return my phone to stock.
Thanks guys! Reinstalling it and then uninstalling the recovery through the app itself helped! I'm not going to unroot it yet, but I'm just gonna wait until I find a rom that works with my build to install a recovery
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Thanks guys! Reinstalling it and then uninstalling the recovery through the app itself helped! I'm not going to unroot it yet, but I'm just gonna wait until I find a rom that works with my build to install a recovery
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I can only recommend Hyperdrive because that's the only one I've tried. The longer I play this game, the less I like flashing the ROM du jour. I can't say nothing but good about it.
I've got mine installed in the stock slot with no other slots partitioned. I've got just over 6 gigs left. If it gets tight, I've got a 64 gig SD card to move stuff over to.
Yeah I was definitely willing to try hyperdrive! I was really wanting liquid smooth, until I found out that nothing if available fur ny build lol. I checked out hyperdrive instead, was getting ready to install it, but then I saw it was 1.6 gigs haha. My maximum download speed at my house is like 150 kb/s which is a problem. Plus we're throttled at 475 mb/day... I had to wait to try and download it when I got to my college the next day. For some reason, hyperdrive kept failing for me between 5-10% if the download so I just ditched trying to get it
Hi there,
I'm very happy with my BMM however I noticed that I am part of a minority for some reason. Anyone knows why?
Further more, it seems that most tutorials to install nightly releases are mostly done for Safestrap. I really like my BMM and had a look at Safestrap but it does not seems very appealing to me. Should I consider to switch from BMM anyway?
Is Safestrap better than BMM? What good reasons would I have to switch, apart from the fact that its a software that has more spread.
Thanks in advance.
Vonz
vonz33 said:
Hi there,
I'm very happy with my BMM however I noticed that I am part of a minority for some reason. Anyone knows why?
Further more, it seems that most tutorials to install nightly releases are mostly done for Safestrap. I really like my BMM and had a look at Safestrap but it does not seems very appealing to me. Should I consider to switch from BMM anyway?
Is Safestrap better than BMM? What good reasons would I have to switch, apart from the fact that its a software that has more spread.
Thanks in advance.
Vonz
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Had been on BMM for a very long time while running stock ROM. When I finally decided I wanted KK and options opened up in the custom kernel area to keep hdmi, I finally flashed slimkat and JBX to slot2. After about three days, I switched recoveries to safestrap and didn't look back.
It isn't that I didn't like BMM or to say BMM is a bad recovery or didn't serve it's purpose. The main reasons were that:
1. I ran out of space fast with slot1&2 loaded up, and I couldn't find a way of repartitioning the sd card with BMM. So I would have to go to slot3 to not run into "running out of space" issues since that would not run off the system side of the sd card. Not a big deal except sometimes I need the space.
2. I didn't want two or more ROM's on my phone, I had already had a good setup with SlimKat and JBX so, I didn't use, or even want the stock ROM anymore, but can run into trouble trying to flash them into slot 1 of BMM, while you can flash to slot1 on safestrap with no problems at all.
3. You CAN repartition the sd card with Safestrap so if I did decide I wanted another ROM, I could repartition my sd card to better accomodate my ROM's and apps, and not have to worry about losing space again.
TL : DR I was going to have to make sacrifices or accomodation's to keep BMM around so it is safestrap for me Maybe I am lazy, maybe not, but either way it is right in front of my face with safestrap, with BMM I did some digging, didn't find, lost interest and flashed!
Well,I don't think that SS is better because SS takes free space from internal memory for second slot.
In BMM second slot is on webtop partition,so you have your full 8gb available.
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welder73 said:
Well,I don't think that SS is better because SS takes free space from internal memory for second slot.
In BMM second slot is on webtop partition,so you have your full 8gb available.
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Ahh, I agree, and disagree. Yes BMM will put the second slot on top of the webtop partition, but that is only 1.3 gb if I am correct. One ROM and a few bulky apps/games, and slot2 is filled up. You once again get insufficient space toasts, even with another 2 gigs sitting on your card, because your system partition is filled up(slot 2 apps go into the slot2 partition which was webtop.) Sure you can swap back and forth between ROM's for various things but, some people don't want to have to swap between 2 ROM's for all their apps to accommodate a recoveries limitations that doesn't suit them.
And also remember some of that 8 gigs is cache, so we really never get to use it for our own purposes anyways, it is for the system.
Safestrap you can flash to the stock slot, and you can reconfigure the partitions to accomodate any other slots so that you don't get insufficient storage issues. Does it use internal memory, yes it does, but then again, that is the best source for unhindered space, and the phone does have ext. card capabilities so it isn't putting near the burden on us as, say, it would a nexus device.
Just my opinion, and I have nothing against BMM, it was a great recovery! It just doesn't suit my needs anymore.
Draxin said:
Ahh, I agree, and disagree. Yes BMM will put the second slot on top of the webtop partition, but that is only 1.3 gb if I am correct. One ROM and a few bulky apps/games, and slot2 is filled up. You once again get insufficient space toasts, even with another 2 gigs sitting on your card, because your system partition is filled up(slot 2 apps go into the slot2 partition which was webtop.) Sure you can swap back and forth between ROM's for various things but, some people don't want to have to swap between 2 ROM's for all their apps to accommodate a recoveries limitations that doesn't suit them.
And also remember some of that 8 gigs is cache, so we really never get to use it for our own purposes anyways, it is for the system.
Safestrap you can flash to the stock slot, and you can reconfigure the partitions to accomodate any other slots so that you don't get insufficient storage issues. Does it use internal memory, yes it does, but then again, that is the best source for unhindered space, and the phone does have ext. card capabilities so it isn't putting near the burden on us as, say, it would a nexus device.
Just my opinion, and I have nothing against BMM, it was a great recovery! It just doesn't suit my needs anymore.
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I agree,everyone has different needs,for me it's enough 1.3gb.
But what do you mean by "you can flash to the stock slot",you can do it with BMM also?
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welder73 said:
But what do you mean by "you can flash to the stock slot"
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I guess I didn't complete the comment as I did in the previous post. The stock slot can be flashed in BMM but problems can arise. At least they did for me. It wasn't for a lack of trying but, when I was done and rebooted, I got logo, hijack, and then blank, twice! First time restored stock slot and redownloaded ROM, second time ended up being a firmware reflash.
I am not above saying I did something wrong, I probably did, but heck if I know what it was, I had no problem flashing slot2, and have had zero issues with safestrap. Same download of ROM and Gapps that were used in second flash was used in slot2 BMM and Safestrap. So I am not going to say BMM CAN'T do it, I am just not going to say it can when I couldn't do it successfully.
So I retained from previous comments that SS could help with saving memory? Correct? If so that is definitely interesting. Further more BMM is discontinued development am I right?
I will give SS a go and see what happens (even though the interface is not as schmick as BMM, oh well..!) .
So in order to switch from BMM to SS I shall save my stock ROM that is on slot 1 and my CM10 that is on slot 2, then uninstall BMM from settings/apps menu, then install SS, reboot in SSR and install CM11 from zip file correct?
Cheers.
ttt
vonz33 said:
So I retained from previous comments that SS could help with saving memory? Correct? If so that is definitely interesting. Further more BMM is discontinued development am I right?
I will give SS a go and see what happens (even though the interface is not as schmick as BMM, oh well..!) .
So in order to switch from BMM to SS I shall save my stock ROM that is on slot 1 and my CM10 that is on slot 2, then uninstall BMM from settings/apps menu, then install SS, reboot in SSR and install CM11 from zip file correct?
Cheers.
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Yes BMM does seem to have discontinued development. Doesn't mean Boot menu manager right now isn't good, just means there probably won't be any more improvement.
As for saving space, no, safestrap doesn't do that. When you install a second slot in BMM it will install it on top of the webtop partition(read and watch your tutorial's on how to do this correctly.) So it isn't taking any extra space yet, the downside to that is that it is limited to 1.3gb. If you don't use alot of apps, or going to be using it strictly for testing ROM's, then it isn't a big deal. Any more slots after that eats into your internal storage.
Safestrap from what I understand, won't install a slot on top of webtop, instead, when you install to slot 1 it will be taking space from your internal storage right off the bat. You can choose from 1gb, 2gb, or 3gb, size for your new slot partition. Same for any more slots you make. The more space you take for one slot partition, the less you leave for any others you would make. From what I understand though, with safestrap, you CAN still remove webtop for stock slot (I haven't needed to yet) so the 1.3 gb is freed up for more storage to stock.
As welder and I had discussed prior, it completely depends on your needs. If you don't have alot of apps, and want to dual boot a stock ROM and a custom one... BMM will do you fine. If you have a lot of apps or games and want to dual boot both ROMS with both of them loaded up, then safestrap is the way to go. Some ROM's play well with one recovery but not the other, there are also work arounds in some cases.
Any of your backups from one will not work with the other
Draxin said:
Yes BMM does seem to have discontinued development. Doesn't mean Boot menu manager right now isn't good, just means there probably won't be any more improvement.
As for saving space, no, safestrap doesn't do that. When you install a second slot in BMM it will install it on top of the webtop partition(read and watch your tutorial's on how to do this correctly.) So it isn't taking any extra space yet, the downside to that is that it is limited to 1.3gb. If you don't use alot of apps, or going to be using it strictly for testing ROM's, then it isn't a big deal. Any more slots after that eats into your internal storage.
Safestrap from what I understand, won't install a slot on top of webtop, instead, when you install to slot 1 it will be taking space from your internal storage right off the bat. You can choose from 1gb, 2gb, or 3gb, size for your new slot partition. Same for any more slots you make. The more space you take for one slot partition, the less you leave for any others you would make. From what I understand though, with safestrap, you CAN still remove webtop for stock slot (I haven't needed to yet) so the 1.3 gb is freed up for more storage to stock.
As welder and I had discussed prior, it completely depends on your needs. If you don't have alot of apps, and want to dual boot a stock ROM and a custom one... BMM will do you fine. If you have a lot of apps or games and want to dual boot both ROMS with both of them loaded up, then safestrap is the way to go. Some ROM's play well with one recovery but not the other, there are also work arounds in some cases.
Any of your backups from one will not work with the other
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Thanks for your reply, Draxin.
Which one are you using? I take it you are using BMM. You are talking about a tutorial.... this is A thing I could not find. Let me know if there is one, and if so where I can get it from.
My main concern is that I wanted to give a shot to CM11 and it seems that the install is not 100% reliable, even with the BMM workaround. So maybe I shall wait for a release candidate to occur.
I have 80 user apps apparently under CM10 according to Titanium Backup, is that a lot?
Also you talk about this webtop thing... After some research it appears that a webtop is a desktop integrated in a web browser. What does it have to do with android platform more exactly?
I mostly have 2 used slots, Official Moto ROM on slot 1 (just in case but never use it) and CM10 on slot 2 as it was advised on a youtube video. If I have to test a kexec ROM I usually backup my CM10 and try it out on slot 2, to avoid munching all the space on side storage.
So what do you recommend for us at this stage?
Thanks in advance.
Vz
vonz33 said:
Thanks for your reply, Draxin.
Which one are you using? I take it you are using BMM. You are talking about a tutorial.... this is A thing I could not find. Let me know if there is one, and if so where I can get it from.
My main concern is that I wanted to give a shot to CM11 and it seems that the install is not 100% reliable, even with the BMM workaround. So maybe I shall wait for a release candidate to occur.
I have 80 user apps apparently under CM10 according to Titanium Backup, is that a lot?
Also you talk about this webtop thing... After some research it appears that a webtop is a desktop integrated in a web browser. What does it have to do with android platform more exactly?
I mostly have 2 used slots, Official Moto ROM on slot 1 (just in case but never use it) and CM10 on slot 2 as it was advised on a youtube video. If I have to test a kexec ROM I usually backup my CM10 and try it out on slot 2, to avoid munching all the space on side storage.
So what do you recommend for us at this stage?
Thanks in advance.
Vz
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I am using safestrap now, I had been using BMM for a while til I started flashing custom ROM's. After that safestrap suited MY needs better
BMM tutorials: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2325764
CM11 requires safestrap 3.65 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391900
If you really want to try out CM11, and then it doesn't live up to your expectations, you can always go back to BMM and restore the backups you saved to where you are right now. SlimKat I know for a fact will install with BMM. You just have to make sure to completely uninstall whatever recovery you had previously, before adding a new one
It doesn't matter so much how many apps you have, as, how much space they take up. If you are just taking a ROM for a test run, you don't need all your apps, especially if you are dual booting, if you are going to use slot 2 as a daily driver, and they are bulky apps, that is when you get concerned.
Webtop, basically allows you to explore your phone as if it were a desktop computer, bluetooth keyboard, and the phone's touchscreen will act as a laptop touch pad, or you can run a bluetooth mouse, and using a typical tv with hdmi in as a moniter. Motorola thought it would be a bigger hit than it turned out to be. It really is a neat idea, turning your phone into a handheld desktop but, it has plenty of limitations. For most people, if they even know what it is, it's just taking up space.
What do I recommend? Well, it completely depends on what you are looking to do. Like I said before bro, you can save what you have with BMM, uninstall it and try out safestrap. If you don't like it, uninstall safestrap and go back to BMM and reinstall your backups, no harm, no foul. If you really like safestrap, then dump your BMM backups as they are just taking up space at that point. With titanium backup, as long as you saved your apps and modified data, call logs, wifi, and sms, really all you cost yourself in the switch, is time setting everything back up.
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Cool bro.
Will try ST to see what happens. Thanks again you're a true gentleman.