Adobe just confirm that 4.1 will never get flash. Would u guys stay wit ice during to this?
naah.. flash should be banned asap and im willing to help with that.
most sites have alternative streams when flash is not pesent.
and if i truly need flash i just rdp / splashtop to my desktop.
flash was one of the reasons i switched to android. now i realize that all it does is slow the browser down significantly. i dont remember the last time i used flash.
i think upgrading to jb is definately worth it
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uhhh.. Im on 4.1 on my Nexus and Flash works fine. Just because they wont support it dont mean it dont work JB is just a minor revision of ICS now 5.0 yeah then it wont work maybe
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uhhh.. Im on 4.1 on my Nexus and Flash works fine. Just because they wont support it dont mean it dont work JB is just a minor revision of ICS now 5.0 yeah then it wont work maybe
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Data good to know as I still watch a lot of flash content!
Well apparently according to theverge Adobe is going to disable installs from the Play store on August 15th, so I would suggest backing up the apk to use as soon as you can
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flash was one of the reasons i switched to android. now i realize that all it does is slow the browser down significantly. i dont remember the last time i used flash.
i think upgrading to jb is definately worth it
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For me as well.
On my SGS3 the browser is perfect on heavy flash site, but it seems Samsung is the only one.
Hopefully jb will make our tegra 3 tablet work as it should have been since day 1.
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I thought when I bought my Prime that Flash would be a useful addition. In practice I've ended up playing very few games using it and I really don't think I would miss it now.
Guess that will also mean goodbye to Kongregate's Arcade app.
Adobe is going to disable installs from the Play store on August 15th
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How lame! I need flash
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This isn't a true statement. Adobe said they will not certify Android 4.1 as Flash compatible, and therefore won't provide support for issues specifically related to users running Flash on an unsupported OS. You should still be able to use it for as long as Flash remains relevant.
Adobe said they are also pulling Flash out of the Play Store (for all versions of Android), however if you already have Flash installed, it will continue to get security updates, etc.
Mobile Flash is dead. Adobe killed it. Holding on to older technologies instead of moving on to newer tech will just make it that much hard when you have no other option except to adopt the newer technologies.
What pisses me off is that I'm sure Apple and Nazi Jobs will get credit for such an end to Flash, when in reality, the end of Flash and the start of HTML5 was always coming, even when there was a Flash vs. Apple war. Adobe knew this. Smart technies knew this. But people, especially the idiots writing articles on CNET and Engadget, will credit Apple with another win. Uhm, no, this was always inevitable, even if Apple prematurely decided against Flash, in a bitter retort from their dictator CEO.
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When updates are performed though, isnt all data wiped? If im unrooted and get an upgrade to jellybean, then how will i retain flash? Will apps from Google play store stay installed even though they are no longer available?
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When updates are performed though, isnt all data wiped? If im unrooted and get an upgrade to jellybean, then how will i retain flash? Will apps from Google play store stay installed even though they are no longer available?
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We'll be able to side load it.
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I got mine backed up with tiBU but for a few days now without flash installed its been runnning like a champ. No waits, lags, or anything. Now using chrome because I can with my iPhone and life is beautiful!
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What pisses me off is that I'm sure Apple and Nazi Jobs will get credit for such an end to Flash, when in reality, the end of Flash and the start of HTML5 was always coming, even when there was a Flash vs. Apple war. Adobe knew this. Smart technies knew this. But people, especially the idiots writing articles on CNET and Engadget, will credit Apple with another win. Uhm, no, this was always inevitable, even if Apple prematurely decided against Flash, in a bitter retort from their dictator CEO.
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You get angry too easily, and over things that aren't very important.
As far as Apple getting the credit for killing Flash, maybe there were a lot of factors that lead to the end of the platform however credit where credit is due, Apple was the first company to step and and say "No, we don't need this anymore." Whether that is true or not is not important. As often happens Apple saw how technology was evolving and helped push the adoption of the newer technology that will replace the old. How many people would be coding their sites in HTML 5, and making HTML 5 & javascript based media if the iPad had supported Flash?
There is no question that the millions of users viewing websites via the Flash-free iPad and iPhone was a huge motivator to push web developers away from plug-ins and more towards open technology standards.
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You get angry too easily, and over things that aren't very important.
As far as Apple getting the credit for killing Flash, maybe there were a lot of factors that lead to the end of the platform however credit where credit is due, Apple was the first company to step and and say "No, we don't need this anymore." Whether that is true or not is not important. As often happens Apple saw how technology was evolving and helped push the adoption of the newer technology that will replace the old. How many people would be coding their sites in HTML 5, and making HTML 5 & javascript based media if the iPad had supported Flash?
There is no question that the millions of users viewing websites via the Flash-free iPad and iPhone was a huge motivator to push web developers away from plug-ins and more towards open technology standards.
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I respectfully disagree. Apple's premature decision was felt across the tech industry, especially by Apple users. There was a huge following that still wanted Flash and that's why SkyFire and other work-arounds became so popular after the decision. Flash was going to go away, everyone knew that. It was coming in a few years. Well, a few years is here already. And now everyone wants to say that Apple "stepped up" and drove Flash out. Uhm, no. Again, we knew this was coming. HTML5 was only a few years out from a basic maturity. And knowing this back then and watching it happen only allows for the conclusion that Jobs was a brat.
Not premature? Take a look at HTML example videos on YouTube from a couple years ago and try and tell me that they aren't a witnessing of the digital equivalent of a developmental disability.
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Meaning? Sorry, not too familiar with all terminology. Does all data get wiped when performing an update to jellybean?
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When they say side load they mean use something like Astro or Apk installer to install the apk file. It shouldn't wipe it if its already on there but after Aug 15 you wont be able to get it off the Play store
Adobe never confirmed such a thing.
Flash doesn't slow down the browser. Especially with regard to ICS on the TFP. The browser is just slow in general.
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Can you do this without root?
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Does it seem like they will eventually figure out how to get custom roms and kernels, or is it still up in the air as to if its even possible. And I've read of the possibility of b&n doing an OTA update that would close the door on the current rooting method and side loading of apps, is there any reason to believe they would? Or is that just paranoid speculation.
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Does it seem like they will eventually figure out how to get custom roms and kernels, or is it still up in the air as to if its even possible. And I've read of the possibility of b&n doing an OTA update that would close the door on the current rooting method and side loading of apps, is there any reason to believe they would? Or is that just paranoid speculation.
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OTA updates to the BC broke rooting so I assume a OTA to the NT would do the same. Usually rooting was restored in a few days. Custom kernels are a different issue and currently is unknown.
Kindle has CM7 booting on it. may have to go for the kindle over the nook tablet. Custom roms and kernels are a big selling factor and the kindle seems much closer to that.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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True... Sadly, I doubt the higher ups of B&N really care about that small 1% for whom this is a concern. I'm still on the fence myself, but for me it's a NT or just save my money and wait; The lack of uSD kills the KF for me and I don't need/want a tablet enough to justify anything with a higher pricetag.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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I think its a little early to say its being written off. The awesome developers on this forum are still working on it, and probably others too. Even if the fully rooted device is as far as it goes, it is still a great device for the money.
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Yeah, you should got the Kindle route. If CM7 is your main concern, then yes, Kindle is for you.
The NT has been out 2 weeks and its already being written off.
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Sad but true. Stupid of B&N to lock the bootloader ... hopefully, bad sales will validate the point!
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Sad but true. Stupid of B&N to lock the bootloader ... hopefully, bad sales will validate the point!
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Not likely. Stopped by B&N on the way from class today and saw 3-4 people walk out with the NT during the time(30 min?) I was hanging around talking to the "tech". They're still selling quite well, but time will tell if they can keep it up.
B&N couldn't care less about losing sales to those who aren't buying their low cost eReader to use as intended. There is little to no margin for selling it as a general purpose tablet so they really don't care that those who can't load a custom ROM aren't happy with their device. Lot's of more expensive tablets out there for those who want to do custom development and a Nook app for those who want to buy their online products.
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I wonder if the Kindle Fire is actually helping NT sales. The KF sell people on the idea of getting a 7" tablet, but they shop around and finds that the NT has better specs for a little more. They read reviews like Engadget that say the NT plays videos smoother. The NT is suddenly on their radar.
The average person wouldn't care a bit about the bootloader, though they might be disappointed to find out about the 1GB limit for own content.
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I wonder if the Kindle Fire is actually helping NT sales. The KF sell people on the idea of getting a 7" tablet, but they shop around and finds that the NT has better specs for a little more. They read reviews like Engadget that say the NT plays videos smoother. The NT is suddenly on their radar.
The average person wouldn't care a bit about the bootloader, though they might be disappointed to find out about the 1GB limit for own content.
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If I understand correctly if the Nook is rooted apps install in the 15gb partition so rooted nooks have access to more than 1gb. Of course your average user isn't going to root their device.
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If I understand correctly if the Nook is rooted apps install in the 15gb partition so rooted nooks have access to more than 1gb. Of course your average user isn't going to root their device.
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Sideloaded apps also. You wanna move files to the B&N partition, you use root file manager to move.
I wouldnt mind buying apps if b&n actually had any in thier market. They dont have crap.
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Atleast for me the NT led to a kindle sale. Custom roms and kernels are a big deal to me, and I'm guessing the kindle is a week or two away from CM7 and most likely CM9 as well. And maybe the devs figure out a way around NTs locked boot loader, but there also seems to be a good chance they don't. It was a simple decision.
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Atleast for me the NT led to a kindle sale. Custom roms and kernels are a big deal to me, and I'm guessing the kindle is a week or two away from CM7 and most likely CM9 as well. And maybe the devs figure out a way around NTs locked boot loader, but there also seems to be a good chance they don't. It was a simple decision.
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I keep reading on various forums that the locked bootloader is a Nook Tab killer. Why?????? Please educate an old man as to why this is such a big deal. Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale. Already there are people who have rooted the tablet. Please tell an ignorant old man WHY it is so important to unlock the bootloader. What would you do/have once you unlocked the bootloader that you can't do without? Is it just because the locked bootloader feels like a slap in the face to developers? I mean what more would you do to it that you can't already do with it locked down?
My Tab does everything and more than I'd ever do with a real tablet so I'm just very curious as to what all the fuss is about.
Custom ROMS and kernels allow you to really extend the life of your device (meaning the device won't seem outdated so quickly). The CPU can be overclocked, the voltage tweaked for better battery life, newer versions of the android OS can be uploaded, etc.
Back to the future
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... Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale.
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Question: What happens when B&N releases an automatic update (replacing your system and your downloaded apps) and it closes the hole that you used to install additional apps?
Answer: We don't know. Having a way around the bootloader (eg, booting SDcards) gives some assurance that we will be able to root future versions, allowing continued "unauthorized" apps.
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I keep reading on various forums that the locked bootloader is a Nook Tab killer. Why?????? Please educate an old man as to why this is such a big deal. Within 3 days and less than an hour of tapping, I was able to sideload Amazon App store the Whole Kindle store, Google and a whole host of other sites that have content and applications for free or for sale. Already there are people who have rooted the tablet. Please tell an ignorant old man WHY it is so important to unlock the bootloader. What would you do/have once you unlocked the bootloader that you can't do without? Is it just because the locked bootloader feels like a slap in the face to developers? I mean what more would you do to it that you can't already do with it locked down?
My Tab does everything and more than I'd ever do with a real tablet so I'm just very curious as to what all the fuss is about.
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Here's why:
- A regular build of Android is better than the dumbed down version used in the nook tablet line.
- Ice Cream Sandwich is 10x better than Gingerbread.
- A tablet version of Android is better than smartphone version used in the nook.
Thanks everyone for the quick education. I understand much better now. It does appear that with a locked bootloader the customer is at the mercy of the vendor. They control the software, they control the hardware you just bought and paid for. I get it now. Sounds like I just rented a Barnes & Noble portal to their content. They can close the back door to any other apps anytime they choose. Almost doesn't seem fair.
I found this somewhere but it wasnt covered in 3Ds section yet , so here it is:
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/21/ubuntus-full-desktop-os-coming-to-multi-core-android-devices/
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2812424/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on
I just read this on Android Central as well. What a treat by the makers of Ubuntu.
It appears it's an APK that allows the phone to display a full desktop experience, pretty impressive stuff.
I've already signed up to find more information. Can't wait for it's release
I was reading about this earlier in the week. Sounds very impressive. I must also sign up for more information on this.
I cant wait!
This is pretty insane. They're blurring the lines between Smartphones and Computers. Skynet is becoming self-aware. John Connor is getting locked and loaded as we speak. OMFGWTFBBQ!
I wonder if this will require root? Hope not Ive been happy staying stock...
This is pretty exciting news, android and ubuntu FTMFW
TXEvo said:
This is pretty exciting news, android and ubuntu FTMFW
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This is exactly what android needs IMO!
"DU4L C0R3 SH00T3R"┌П┐[◣_◢]┌П┐
http://goo.gl/v6NqW iTz_r0cky!
Very cool,I hope it will work on shooter.
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Investing on a extended battery now!!!....lol
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Investing on a extended battery now!!!....lol
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Are they worth getting? I noticed on some of the other phones i had people said extended batteries from other manufacturers werent great. Can you recommend one? Sorry for OT
Well I filled out the form to get info and got a reply back stating they were only wanting to work with handset makers and mobile operators to bring it to market....
guess we will be waiting for some time here then less there is a leak of it....
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Are they worth getting? I noticed on some of the other phones i had people said extended batteries from other manufacturers werent great. Can you recommend one? Sorry for OT
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Honestly I don't know...my stock battery is good enough for me...but to run ubuntu it won't...if your really interested in a extended battery, check out the accessories evo3d sub forum...they have plenty of info which ones are worth getting
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Didn't they mention a dock, don't you think the phone can charge while running ubuntu? Or did I miss something.
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Good evening everyone! Long time Lurker, first time poster here. First and foremost, I need to say thanks to all the developers and contributors that make this site everything that it is. Thank you!!!!
Now lets get some Ubuntu running! The files and instructions are found in an app on the market, "Ubuntu installer". The links provided in the app are all still good, validated tonight. I was running cleanrom 1.2 the first time I tried, and I can vouch that cleanrom is capable of booting Ubuntu via terminal. This part was surprisingly easy.
Next part is making this useful! Mhl on cleanrom 1.2 worked great. So here I am throwing Ubuntu to a 50" flatscreen with no convenient user interface. I tried installing gmote server on the virtual Ubuntu. Fail. Linux newb. I try andromouse (gmote alternative). The program is an executable .jar file, this I can handle. Andromouse launches, the android device I was using as the remote doesn't detect the server or tunnel in with the provided ip. Fail.
Here I load up joelz cm9 alpha. I lose mhl, but want to see how Ubuntu plays with 4.0. Ubuntu runs noticably faster! Also, for whatever reason, andromouse server was detected by my other android device. For a brief moment I basked in the glory of remote controlling a virtual desktop environment running on my phone. Then I wanted mhl support, flashed back to an old backup of cleanrom, and now nothing works. Unzipping the Ubuntu image again right now for a fresh start.
Potential uses? 1. Having a computer anywhere there is an HDMI in & second android device for mouse/keyboard. 2. Run a virtual Ubuntu server on your android to act as a host server for multiplayer gaming (is this possible?) 3. ????
I love Ubuntu! This would be awesome!
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Honestly I don't know...my stock battery is good enough for me...but to run ubuntu it won't...if your really interested in a extended battery, check out the accessories evo3d sub forum...they have plenty of info which ones are worth getting
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I got the http://www.amazon.com/Innocell-4000mAh-Extended-Life-Battery/dp/B005C3MTHC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/185-8507412-8298340
and i have to say the battery quality is amazing
after conditioning the battery with the usual ways and benchmarking it, i found i could run it at on demand for govenor or performance all day with a max speed of 1.5 ghz without a problem with about 50% left after 3 PM, granted i get up at 6 AM and then my phone goes to roaming for about 6-7 hours after that so battery drain is pretty high. Now if i do the above with the stock battery im looking at my phone being dead by 3PM
the expanded batteries are worth it even if ubuntu for android isnt out yet, they allow you to really make your phone a performance device
I couldn't find if they announced when they are releasing this.... Does any one know?
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I couldn't find if they announced when they are releasing this.... Does any one know?
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no. the email I got from them regarding the beta of it said they wanted to work with mobile operators and manufacturers first to get it out...
I dont know what pepsekola is talking about to be honest...as its not released to the public. I can only guess they are speaking of the already present workarounds other users have worked on in the past thus far.
there is the sign up page for info and such, but as you can tell by the heading even they are only interested in working with Handset maker or network operator's currently...
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Title says it all. Guess it's time to look for a new device (Tegra 4???) then unlock and root my Prime. I still love my Prime, always have, always will.
It's not as loud as it used to be for sure.
Check out the TF300, TF700 forums too because a lot of stuff that applies to that also works on TF201.
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Title says it all. Guess it's time to look for a new device (Tegra 4???) then unlock and root my Prime. I still love my Prime, always have, always will.
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Just a series of posts by folks that needlessly brick their TPs.
Post something new and interesting? We've had like ten primedeath threads... Still a capable device. Wait till we have nvflash again!
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Like I said, I love my Prime. I'm just a little worried that the Dev's have abandoned it. I've rooted many devices in the past but it seems the Prime is very susceptible to bricking and I really don't want to do that. I’ve never bricked and of my devices and I don’t want to start with my $500 tablet. This is why I haven't tried to root yet. I hope we get 4.2 and an exploit can be found se we can root without unlocking. I guess I'll eventually unlock but I'd like to root first and I'm too am waiting on nvflash.:good:
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Ya, with two kids and a full time job I really have time to sit down and learn code. Some may have that kind of time, not me. My slate is full.
Thanks for your "help".
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Ya, with two kids and a full time job I really have time to sit down and learn code. Some may have that kind of time, not me. My slate is full.
Thanks for your "help".
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No, no, thank YOU for your complaining.
C'mon guys... No need to fight. Mods close plz...
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Guess that kinda stuff can't be helped, Asus did leave a bad taste in the mouths of tf201 owners... *sigh*
Well, at the moment I use my Prime only for Netflix. After getting Nexus 4 I have not used Prime for couch surfing because it is so laggy for web browsing. Just checking for news about 4.2 update from time to time.
If I ever again buy a mobile device from Asus, it will be 10" Transformer Nexus.
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Guess that kinda stuff can't be helped, Asus did leave a bad taste in the mouths of tf201 owners... *sigh*
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I love my Prime! What's to be bitter about? It's the thinnest 10 inch tablet ever made. I don't have my wifi modem 7 miles away from my device and I don't mount a tablet as a GPS device in my car (why would anyone), so every thing is nice!
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Like I said, I love my Prime. I'm just a little worried that the Dev's have abandoned it. I've rooted many devices in the past but it seems the Prime is very susceptible to bricking and I really don't want to do that. I’ve never bricked and of my devices and I don’t want to start with my $500 tablet. This is why I haven't tried to root yet. I hope we get 4.2 and an exploit can be found se we can root without unlocking. I guess I'll eventually unlock but I'd like to root first and I'm too am waiting on nvflash.:good:
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First things first, I dont believe you care if devs abandon the prime or not since you have already stated that you are unwilling to unlock your prime because you are afraid that you dont have the skill not to break it. What you want is for somebody to post an apk to root your prime with no effort to learn on your part. This is all fine, to each his own.
One place you wont find the primes devs is here complaining in the general section of this forum because nothing productive happens here. Over in the development section of this forum you will find devs hard at work porting 4.2, getting Ubuntu running, and porting paranoid android etc. I am glad this section of the forum is dying because it means most of the complainers and trolls have left for browner pastures.
Do yourself a favor, unlock your prime and go check out the cool new stuff for the prime over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1414
Dead? Au contraire, I visit the forums on a daily basis, I just don't feel the need to write pointless posts or start hopeless threads.
People like OP are why devs will abandon a device
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I love my Prime! What's to be bitter about? It's the thinnest 10 inch tablet ever made. I don't have my wifi modem 7 miles away from my device and I don't mount a tablet as a GPS device in my car (why would anyone), so every thing is nice!
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Except it's virtually unusable without an unlock and custom kernel/ROM flash. And no, voiding our warranty by unlocking is not a viable workaround for crappy internals and poor Asus coding.
Otherwise, battery life is poor, wifi is awful beyond about a room away (and I have a top of the line $170 Asus RT-N66U router) to the point that I can't even use it to stream video to my TV in the bedroom (my galaxy S3 picks up wifi at 90% speed in the same place, vs the Asus at 10%), and GPS is non-functional (dongle doesn't count). Don't get me wrong, it is a workable device, but it's far from a good one. Thinness does not make up for it's very real shortcomings.
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People like OP are why devs will abandon a device
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No. Devs abandon a device when people stop using it and the manufacturer stops supporting it. I doubt anyone actually gets butthurt because random internet posters are complaining. And the TF201 had a small user base to begin with.
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And, just check out the developer area. There are at least two brand new ROM's there (Androwook 2.0 and the latest Energy) released even while this "dead" discussion was going on. These new ROMs bring the prime up the the very latest Android Version. Does not seem dead at all to me.
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Except it's virtually unusable without an unlock and custom kernel/ROM flash. And no, voiding our warranty by unlocking is not a viable workaround for crappy internals and poor Asus coding.
Otherwise, battery life is poor, wifi is awful beyond about a room away (and I have a top of the line $170 Asus RT-N66U router) to the point that I can't even use it to stream video to my TV in the bedroom (my galaxy S3 picks up wifi at 90% speed in the same place, vs the Asus at 10%), and GPS is non-functional (dongle doesn't count). Don't get me wrong, it is a workable device, but it's far from a good one. Thinness does not make up for it's very real shortcomings.
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No. Devs abandon a device when people stop using it and the manufacturer stops supporting it. I doubt anyone actually gets butthurt because random internet posters are complaining. And the TF201 had a small user base to begin with.
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Mine works fine with the stock rom....
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Mine works fine with the stock rom....
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Perhaps you got a better device than some of us. In any case, I'm happy you've had good luck with yours, but many of us have significant issues with ours, especially the early adopters. Unfortunately, there is no fix for any of the issues I've described with mine.
Does anyone else around here feel that if they had the devices people are talking negatively about, you'd be just fine? Am I alone?
Hey,
I've had my HDX 8.9 for quite a number of months now (virtually since release). I've been keeping an eye on this forum, waiting for an update on things. I'm really grateful for the work that's been done so far; some of you guys work hard to unlock these devices, so thanks, seriously.
I'm really looking forward to getting this thing to stock Android, since the device itself is a stunning piece of kit (both aesthetically and in regards to hardware specifications).
What are the odds of this device (and of course, the 7" model) being completely unlocked, and having stock Android?
If so, what kind of timescale are we looking at?
Thanks for the replies in advance guys.
Well it's not completely unlocked now but having a Rom slot with the AOSP rom is fairly good if not very good. I have nhad one problem so far and that auto rectified.
On a time frame I don't think anyone is sure yet. Just have to keep your fingers crossed.
(Would still like bluetooth tether to work thought on AOSP)
BRPW said:
Hey,
I've had my HDX 8.9 for quite a number of months now (virtually since release). I've been keeping an eye on this forum, waiting for an update on things. I'm really grateful for the work that's been done so far; some of you guys work hard to unlock these devices, so thanks, seriously.
I'm really looking forward to getting this thing to stock Android, since the device itself is a stunning piece of kit (both aesthetically and in regards to hardware specifications).
What are the odds of this device (and of course, the 7" model) being completely unlocked, and having stock Android?
If so, what kind of timescale are we looking at?
Thanks for the replies in advance guys.
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Honestly everyone in here is working on rooting when time from their real jobs allow. The first thing I learned in the android forums several years ago is not ask for a specific time frame. It could be tomorrow. It could be August. It could be never. I am very impatient myself and can't wait for working root. In due time the devs will come up with something. They are very good!!!
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Honestly everyone in here is working on rooting when time from their real jobs allow. The first thing I learned in the android forums several years ago is not ask for a specific time frame. It could be tomorrow. It could be August. It could be never. I am very impatient myself and can't wait for working root. In due time the devs will come up with something. They are very good!!!
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odds are slim im afraid, im resigned to having to use the google accounts in gmail that i managed to set up before losing root and some accounts using the email app
not ideal, actually pretty annoying because of some critical apps (and no bloody language selection in the keyboard, and etc) being missing, but i can live with it
no root means ads in browsers, so thats a big deal for me, as browsing is a killjoy much of the time
not a great reader either - you really need amoled to read well on dark screens (if youre like me)
so id gladly get rid of mine and buy the tab pro 8 incher tbh
rootcid said:
odds are slim im afraid, im resigned to having to use the google accounts in gmail that i managed to set up before losing root and some accounts using the email app
not ideal, actually pretty annoying because of some critical apps (and no bloody language selection in the keyboard, and etc) being missing, but i can live with it
no root means ads in browsers, so thats a big deal for me, as browsing is a killjoy much of the time
not a great reader either - you really need amoled to read well on dark screens (if youre like me)
so id gladly get rid of mine and buy the tab pro 8 incher tbh
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No root means ads everywhere on these horrible things. You buy the machine, then they advertise at you intrusively ad nauseum until you get sick of it, stomp on it or use it as discus? WTF is amazon thinking.
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No root means ads everywhere on these horrible things. You buy the machine, then they advertise at you intrusively ad nauseum until you get sick of it, stomp on it or use it as discus? WTF is amazon thinking.
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Um... dude how the hell do you think they have been able to sell it for such a low price + high end specs? Without the Amazon "offer" system, they would be making little to no profits whatsoever on the HDX. It's surprising they are making any profits on this at all on the HDX, considering their recent price drops.
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Um... dude how the hell do you think they have been able to sell it for such a low price + high end specs? Without the Amazon "offer" system, they would be making little to no profits whatsoever on the HDX. It's surprising they are making any profits on this at all on the HDX, considering their recent price drops.
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Without the constant barrage of unwanted ads it would be a million times better and the hardware is no better than any of the competitors, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 in all of them and arguably better build quality in the Nexus at least. IOW the ads are BS.
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Without the constant barrage of unwanted ads it would be a million times better and the hardware is no better than any of the competitors, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 in all of them and arguably better build quality in the Nexus at least. IOW the ads are BS.
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If it's ads are so hard to deal with, why didn't you just pay the extra 15$ to have them pre-removed? You talk like the ads are the worst thing to ever have to be dealt with, when it's just ambient noise.
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If it's ads are so hard to deal with, why didn't you just pay the extra 15$ to have them pre-removed? You talk like the ads are the worst thing to ever have to be dealt with, when it's just ambient noise.
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I agree. I paid an extra 1,500 pennies to get rid of the ads. A real no brainier for me.
Tomen8r said:
I agree. I paid an extra 1,500 pennies to get rid of the ads. A real no brainier for me.
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Outside of the US amazon has decreed ads for everyone, no option to remove. A real no brainer indeed.
Odds might go up: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2721505
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Outside of the US amazon has decreed ads for everyone, no option to remove. A real no brainer indeed.
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I'm in the UK and just phoned them up. They removed the ads for free. Result!
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i think me, like many others, are checking these forums frequently to see if any updates or news to the roms for HDX, especially since the last waves of rooting happening all the way to newest OTA update, however the heat has seemingly died off with the hopes of updates, and that glimmer of hope with bootloader unlock that we all waiting for. I understand as long as this doesn't happen we are still limited to the Amazon kernel.
im not a developer but a savvy user like many others so im in no position to measure the difficulty of creating updates for the device, however with the floodgate opened before i was really hoping for lots of new roms and updates to existing, coupled with powerful hardware at cheap prices, and what seems to be wide audience, but didnt seem to be the case.
does anyone think there's any hope left for this device? should we just jump on to Tegra K1 bandwagon soon?
Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
I don't know but it really sucks and I also know this thread is not development related. As far as being in the development section I mean.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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im sorry but thats a sorry excuse. theyre gonna charge $25 so that a multi billion dollar company cant find out? if it slows them down itll slow them down for a couple of hours and thats it.
lets be realist... theyre charging so that they can profit. theres nothing wrong with that and i dont have a problem with it but its a lil insulting if they expect us to believe that
I check every couple of weeks or so, but honestly just running the xpose framework module makes me happy. The only thing I was missing was the play store, and it allows me to have that. The Fire user interface has actually grown on me.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
lol
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
I check everyday. Lol
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I check everyday. Lol
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My HDX is still in the mail and I check here everyday. I hope the unlock sees the light of day before the HDX becomes obsolete eventually.
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I check everyday. Lol
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Same here
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I check everyday. Lol
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This this device has turned me into a troll something horrible(@least three times a day). But at least I try to stay helpful when I'm here .sometimes the attitude pops out from the,dangled just before me rage. .. Got to love to hate this sh*t .. Been circling this carcass of a device for a months like a freaking vulture..waiting.. waiting waiting ....out of ten tablets nhouse i maintain 4 are hdx ...and currently no bricks lol
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i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I agree totally ,, and it also seems like this device is a favorite for parents to buy kids as convenient media babysitters and then the children think they need to come here and start modifying Bricking and crying ... It has been a bitter roller coaster ride I just want my unlock and fastboot stuff so I can unlock, archive the rest,and be on the next device. Uhg and I am sorry but this forum has given me fantasies such as hoping the next update will come with a choke Bart emoji on my keyboard;-p lmao only because of the face palming is starting to leave a mark ; (
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
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Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
Apparently
shimp208 said:
Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
uhg
Hashcode said:
fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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HASHCODE
You sir, are a meanie and a tease. LMAO, no but really that is the only reason I've been trolling these threads since Christmas.. Since then I have bought two more... so how about some hot salt in the wound then tell us about your KitKat on your HDX buahahahah
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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Hi hashcode. Any info you can feed us would be appreciAted. I understand things are hush hush for numerous reasons but people here are starting to lose interest in our device and the longer we wait for a unlock the more talent we lose and, undoubtedly, potential donaters.
Your teasing and previous posts show u have some inside knowledge of the unlock. Any info would be great but specificAlly what is the snag the devs have run into? And I know it's rude to ask but how much longer are we lookin at for release?
I know u dint owe us anything but we thank u for ur support.
I'd really like to participate in today's Fire Sale (pun intended), but I'm not keen on getting a device that can't be unlocked. Decisions, decisions...