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Is the 1.45mhz overclock worth it? Or is that only beneficial to pointless benchmark results?
How is it on the battery? Is the 1.3 overclock more of a intermediate between battery and performance.
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Everyday use, not really, it even kills the battery more.
thought so! probably makes the phone heat up more than it does normally.
There is almost no visible difference to the naked eye but it does make things a little bit snappier. As far as i am concerned, my battery life is epic with Faux's latest Kernel on the latest version of CM7 beta.
Epic= 24+ depending on usage.
Only differences I have seen is the benchmark scores are rock sky high!
However, for everyday use, the difference is that when webpage is loading, panning and pinch zooming while is loading is as smooth once the page is fully loaded. if it is back to 1GHz, it will lag on some pages when you try to zoom and pan.
If you use beautiful widget, the weather animation for the moon and the rain will become a little more fluid if you are on 1.45GHz.
Other than that, you have just built a hand held water boiler XD
Benchmarks are much better with 1.30. At 1.45 the boost is negligible in comparison.
Real use I don't see enough difference to consider it 'cost effective'.
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I Found This In A N4 Thread.
Just Add This Line To build.prop And Reboot.
Code:
debug.egl.swapinterval=0
Again,This CAN Cause Glitches,So Depends On The User.
NOT RECOMMENDED FOR DAILY USAGE.
Enjoy.
Here Are Some Benches.
Nenamark 2-144fps
Quadrant-8264
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acervenky,
XPT
Works! Pass Mark bench is the highest 4716
Can see as high as 102 during quadrant.
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mystery emotionz 6.1
1.8 GHz oc/uv
Does this have any other benefits beyond benchmark
I've had some interesting results enabling this.
I havent run any benchmarks, but running GTA Vice City with this enabled does make for smoother gameplay, but also gives minor graphical tearing .
As far as I know, our screens are only 60hz. Anything above 60fps is almost pointless and would cause more harm than not. Yes, you may see smoother gameplay, but you're overworking the GPU for a slight boost and visual problems.
I'm not a developer or anything of the sort from Android but I do a LOT of tinkering and programming with computers so I expect the same results since smart phones are Pretty much the same.
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I would wager this is harmful.... As the user above me pointed out they're no gains to be had in terms of usage.
Outside of that it's one thing to go past 60 fps on a desktop or even laptop designed to handle more intense graphics but, there is no exhaust in your phone which works twice as hard for no real reason.
The excess heat just increases your chances of nasty things happening.. And I mean nasty you need a new phone before 2 years type things.
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Warning heeded... I don't game though I just like to tweak. I never use intense graphics for long stretches and it makes a difference in short bursts when I'm browsing video heavy sites or watching short videos (placebo, maybe). I'm also a benchmark whore (no shame). I expect to not make two years anyway. .. G2 is sweet and who knows what will be here by next summer, lol. Thanks though.
OG e970 stock+
mystery emotionz 6.1
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Neroga said:
As far as I know, our screens are only 60hz. Anything above 60fps is almost pointless and would cause more harm than not. Yes, you may see smoother gameplay, but you're overworking the GPU for a slight boost and visual problems.
I'm not a developer or anything of the sort from Android but I do a LOT of tinkering and programming with computers so I expect the same results since smart phones are Pretty much the same.
Sent from my CM10.2 LG-E970
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You may be thinking refresh rate... that's the screen measurement. I've never seen one for a phone. Fps is video source measure, chip. I'm definitely no techy, but would it cause that much more heat... it's not overclocking (although I am) just running at higher speeds longer, maybe. No extra heat yet, mhl for movies most intense thing I've done since tweak though.
OG e970 stock+
mystery emotionz 6.1
1.8 GHz oc/uv
Ok, time to clear some stuff up. Unless specifically stated in a lcd display's specifications, and it was made in the last few years, it only supports up to a 60hz refresh rate. No matter what you do, you can't make it refresh faster. You'll just get screen tearing and your GPU will consume more electricity and generate more heat. This isn't a cathode ray tube display with adjustable refresh rate.
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Frame rate/Refresh rate the same?
I was just wondering if frame rate and refresh rate are both the same. For example in a PC if the screen's refresh rate is , say 60 Hz. Won't it be able to display anything with frame rates greater than 60? If so, I beleive it applies to the mobiles too. Can someone clear up this mystery for me with some citations?
Thanks
Andromann said:
I was just wondering if frame rate and refresh rate are both the same. For example in a PC if the screen's refresh rate is , say 60 Hz. Won't it be able to display anything with frame rates greater than 60? If so, I beleive it applies to the mobiles too. Can someone clear up this mystery for me with some citations?
Thanks
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Correct and as Death said, it'll cause screen tearing on mobile devices. 60fps matches the 60hz of our screens. I'm not too familiar with how this works on Android, but if you could raise the fps to about 65 then you'd notice a boost in performance when it comes to games. 60 is ideal for gaming but with the cap at 60 it tends to dip below frequently and causes slight lag. 65 would make everything stay nice and smooth and shouldn't give you any graphical errors as well as not burning battery life.
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Neroga said:
Correct and as Death said, it'll cause screen tearing on mobile devices. 60fps matches the 60hz of our screens. I'm not too familiar with how this works on Android, but if you could raise the fps to about 65 then you'd notice a boost in performance when it comes to games. 60 is ideal for gaming but with the cap at 60 it tends to dip below frequently and causes slight lag. 65 would make everything stay nice and smooth and shouldn't give you any graphical errors as well as not burning battery life.
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mmm.. i'm sorry but i think that you're confusing fps caps with vertical synch, fps caps give almost no fps drops because it only throw away every frame superior to the cap, but with vsync caps it to 60fps but it synchronize it with the lcd hz, fps caps can cause tearing even at same framerate than lcd hz but vsync doesn't
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mmm.. i'm sorry but i think that you're confusing fps caps with vertical synch, fps caps give almost no fps drops because it only throw away every frame superior to the cap, but with vsync caps it to 60fps but it synchronize it with the lcd hz, fps caps can cause tearing even at same framerate than lcd hz but vsync doesn't
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A fps cap does not discard frames. It will not render the extra frames. The GPU will fills it's clocks with NOP instructions until it needs to render the next frame.
Wouldn't this be useful if someone has attached his smartphone to External display , which supports displays with higher refresh rates .:good:
Some phones are great to take camping because if you play Asphalt 8 long enough, the back warms up to the ideal temperature that can bake bread. Rate this thread to express the extent to which the Lenovo Zuk Z2 Pro stays cool under extended heavy use. A higher rating indicates that even when playing strenuous games for long periods of time, the phone doesn't get uncomfortably warm.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Stock ZUI thermal-engine.conf is pretty conservative, and starts throttling at pretty low temperatures, which seems to actually make it potentially more unstable switching CPU states and sometimes hard freezing. Definitely recommend using the one from @void23's kernel with AEX 4.6 (note, just the thermal config, not the kernel until he updates it for 4.6) and it won't throttle so hard, benchmarks higher, and still stays really cool in comparison to some of the speed demons out there.
Compared to my Mi-4c it stays much cooler and takes several times longer to heat up. It never gets unbearably warm either. The Xiaomi's screen gets so hot it can't even differentiate my touch points.
My phone gets hot as soon as I play a game or convert a video. I had to root my device and limited it's CPU frequency to avoid it getting hot quickly. Now it's only warm but of course not very speedy.
Any solution?
It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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It's not a clickbait,saw some early antutu scores and noticed one interesting thing. Theres Normal mode and Performace(cheat?!) mode.
Phone is ofc designed to be used in normal mode in 24/7 use,since performace produces more heat and raises power consumption beyond level for sustainable use.
In normal mode phone seriously underperforms in benchmarks,for example gets 270k while SD845 phones are getting 290k+. Performance mode bumps Kirin's scores to 310k+.
Other area where phone underperforms is GPU section under antutu. Gets bout 9k in normal mode and 10k in performance mode while Ardeno 630 powered phones score 12k w ease.
I know these benchmarks don't mean much in general use but in phone gaming era,you can actually feel that difference(having owned both Mate 10 Pro and OP6).
I think history repeated itself and we got SoC that will barely match last generation of SD and be totally obliterated by next.
Guess we'll know more when Anandtech makes in depth review.
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I think you're right. Next snapdragon gpu will kick its behind! Cause its not much better gpu wise than the 845 right now, if at all?
But the gpu's these days are overkill for most things and I'm loving the look of the mate 20 X. It'll be good enough
No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
I know that most of ppl don't game on their phones but numbers of those who do are rapidly growing and mobile gaming market is becoming larger and larger by every day.
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No actually it has a worse GPU than 845.
And I wouldn't call all GPUs of this era an overkill taken into consideration levels of graphics we're getting in new games.
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Overkill for most games? No? And I'm hoping it's on par at least with 845 which handles everything I throw at it really easily.
The Mali G76MP10 is actually slower then the Adreno 630 but at least, it should be quite power efficient. Just read the Kirin 980 article from Anandtech.
Im waiting for anandtech review of Kirin not previews. Not interested in pre release benchmarks but real one, along power consumption and throttling.
Kirin 970 also should have been power efficient but it turned quite opposite.
The GPU is probably fine, but not able to compete with SD845 under normal speeds. So Hisilicon pushed it beyond limits to get the edge over SD845. Kind of like how Vega 64 was pushed beyond limits to get faster than the GTX 1080.
Like before on the Kirin 960 and 970, the max GPU speed is impressive, but not at all sustainable.
Please look at the graph attached and please someone run the app and tell me if such severe throttling is present on all the devices or if I should return mine. Please.
Link to app :
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=skynet.cputhrottlingtest
There you go, After 2 mins of stress test the phone wasn't hot at all. ( only around the camera was barely warm )
Use the latest Miui 10.0.4.0 and see if it makes any difference, Also ambient temperature is important.
sohilj23 said:
There you go, After 2 mins of stress test the phone wasn't hot at all. ( only around the camera was barely warm )
Use the latest Miui 10.0.4.0 and see if it makes any difference, Also ambient temperature is important.
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Thank you so much for your response. My ambient temperature is in the lower 30s C.
So is there anything wrong with my device?
I am already on 10.0.4.0. I get CPU scores in the high 70k on antutu, and upper 6k in geekbench multi core.
Used beta once and got above 90k CPU once but safety net doesn't pass so back to stable.
Shinichi Kudo said:
Thank you so much for your response. My ambient temperature is in the lower 30s C.
So is there anything wrong with my device?
I am already on 10.0.4.0. I get CPU scores in the high 70k on antutu, and upper 6k in geekbench multi core.
Used beta once and got above 90k CPU once but safety net doesn't pass so back to stable.
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I'm no expert at these tests but it seems your device is throttling badly and getting 70k from Antutu is not normal at all, my unit is getting around 186k from Antutu so I highly recommend that you return the device and ask the seller to replace it for you, You can use Antutu as a reference to convince them that it has throttling problems or if you've bought it from an authorized distributor then surely they'll take care of it.
Good luck and hopefully you can get it replaced.
sohilj23 said:
I'm no expert at these tests but it seems your device is throttling badly and getting 70k from Antutu is not normal at all, my unit is getting around 186k from Antutu so I highly recommend that you return the device and ask the seller to replace it for you, You can use Antutu as a reference to convince them that it has throttling problems or if you've bought it from an authorized distributor then surely they'll take care of it.
Good luck and hopefully you can get it replaced.
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Thank you so very much for the prompt reply but you misunderstood a bit...and I am sorry for the confusion...I am getting higher 70k values in CPU score of antutu and overall higher 270k in total. It is a bit low in comparison to the rest of the scores I have seen here in the forum but they are using beta roms or custom kernels. So is this a bad/abnormal score?
Can I ask what is your ambient temperature?
Shinichi Kudo said:
Thank you so very much for the prompt reply but you misunderstood a bit...and I am sorry for the confusion...I am getting higher 70k values in CPU score of antutu and overall higher 270k in total. It is a bit low in comparison to the rest of the scores I have seen here in the forum but they are using beta roms or custom kernels. So is this a bad/abnormal score?
Can I ask what is your ambient temperature?
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Well now I see, In that case no it's not bad since it's all about silicon lottery and every CPU can perform slightly different so, You might get a better score or sometimes it's less than average, It's about luck and also the ambient temperature.
So try to not get so picky about these scores.
When I ran the test my ambient temperature was around 22-25 c .
sohilj23 said:
Well now I see, In that case no it's not bad since it's all about silicon lottery and every CPU can perform slightly different so, You might get a better score or sometimes it's less than average, It's about luck and also the ambient temperature.
So try to not get so picky about these scores.
When I ran the test my ambient temperature was around 22-25 c .
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Okay, thank you. I wanted this clarification itself. my ambient temps are almost 10C higher than yours and I have seen poco to be a bit too temperature sensitive. I am so relieved as I have a good devices even though it is of the first lot from august and I ordered it a week ago. Thank you so much
Shinichi Kudo said:
Okay, thank you. I wanted this clarification itself. my ambient temps are almost 10C higher than yours and I have seen poco to be a bit too temperature sensitive. I am so relieved as I have a good devices even though it is of the first lot from august and I ordered it a week ago. Thank you so much
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Lol, this is the reason why I don't trust bench scores without ambient temp included.
3DRIAN said:
Lol, this is the reason why I don't trust bench scores without ambient temp included.
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Right...I got my lesson.