Does anyone have any info/input on this?
I don't know the answer to this but this is what I'm thinking...
If 1. Both the Vibrant 4G & 3G are physically the same, 2. Hardware is identical, 3. Parts can be interchanged.
If these things are hypothetically the same, would it be possible to buy the "4G" part, and install it in a 3G to turn it into a 4G?
...the question then is, What makes the 4G a "4G"?
Software wise, I'm sure we can take a 4G ROM from the dev's and flash it in, then software will be running.
If this is at all possible, we could mod our 3G Vibrants and make it a true 4G phone and not have to pay for a whole new one!
Thoughts?
Yeah im curious about that too!
I'm pretty sure they aren't the same. I believe the radio is different. It sounded like the leaked 4G rom wasn't totally compatible because of this and some other things.
Is the ability to use 4g LYE in the software or hardware of the phone? I have an LTE sim card that came with my htc vivid, but as I understand (which isn't much), I will have to wait for an update or custom ROM that includes an LTE radio. I've also read that LTE phones have different modules in which case I would never get to use it on my i777. This phone is great and there's no way I'm trading it in for a Skyrocket just for LTE when everything else it's so much better on the i777.
Can any one tell me then, will I ever get to use LTE?
Hardware, google is your friend sir
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Just to add to the above answer
LTE and our Exynos chipset dont get along right now, hence all the LTE phones having snapdragon processors. Thats the main kicker for me. and LTE is in very few places is ****ing stupid that at&t is starting to focus even the smallest amount on LTE devices
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Is the ability to use 4g LYE in the software or hardware of the phone? I have an LTE sim card that came with my htc vivid, but as I understand (which isn't much), I will have to wait for an update or custom ROM that includes an LTE radio. I've also read that LTE phones have different modules in which case I would never get to use it on my i777. This phone is great and there's no way I'm trading it in for a Skyrocket just for LTE when everything else it's so much better on the i777.
Can any one tell me then, will I ever get to use LTE?
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Seriously?
Thanks, this is just the answer I was looking for, I do live in an LTE coverage area bad for me though
MotoMudder77 said:
Just to add to the above answer
LTE and our Exynos chipset dont get along right now, hence all the LTE phones having snapdragon processors. Thats the main kicker for me. and LTE is in very few places is ****ing stupid that at&t is starting to focus even the smallest amount on LTE devices
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I live in an area that should have great coverage but I still only get an average of 6Mbps, would updating my APN settings from the old wap.cingular help improve my data service?
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Is the ability to use 4g LYE in the software or hardware of the phone? I have an LTE sim card that came with my htc vivid, but as I understand (which isn't much), I will have to wait for an update or custom ROM that includes an LTE radio. I've also read that LTE phones have different modules in which case I would never get to use it on my i777. This phone is great and there's no way I'm trading it in for a Skyrocket just for LTE when everything else it's so much better on the i777.
Can any one tell me then, will I ever get to use LTE?
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Miami_Son said:
Seriously?
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Oh here we go
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so i seen that the captivate can use nexus s radio img. so is anyone willing to try using a galaxy nexus radio image? it might work you never know?
edit: or maybe even using the radio and modem from a stratosphere? since the stratosphere is a galaxy phone that is close to the epic 4g. maybe we could get 4g on the fascinate??? i would try but i use my phone as a daily and i cant risk losing it. anyone have any thoughts??
LTE will not work on a phone that isn't equipped with LTE radios. I also can't imagine that radios for LTE devices would work on 3g devices. If devices can share radios, it's because they have the same or extremely similar internal hardware, all the devices you mentioned have significant differences compared to the fascinate.
Hi guys, I was thinking about leaving Sprint(Galaxy S2) and going on Tmobile prepaid, and was thinking about the Rezound as a possible phone to use. Would it be worth the switch to using this phone with the edge speeds, etc?(I do have wifi at home at least) Would I be able to run all the roms with service as if it were on Verizon? Wondering if it would be a headaches with keeping service while flashing roms and such. I flash roms fairly often.
Probably better off getting a straight GSM phone..
If you got the rezound and wanted to run on GSM, that can be arranged. But, I am pretty sure they don't even have 3g working on TMobile yet, so I hope you have WiFi.
Also, you would be very limited as far as GSM ROMs go so as mjones said, you should probably just get a GSM phone.
Sorry for the confusing thread title but couldn't figure out how to word it. The issue I'm having is this , I have a normal sense HTC one from T-Mobile that I converted to a official gpe using a ruu and guide found here. From what I've read only the official gpe HTC one on T-Mobile suffers from the lack of being able to receive hspa+ where LTE is lacking, the normal version does not suffer this problem. I know this to be true as prior to converting mine I was always on LTE with great data speeds. However after converting to gpe in certain areas my phone loses LTE and goes to hspa for a brief second and then to 3g or even edge. Now from what I've read the normal HTC one model has the proper radio which prevents this while the official gpe does not. However seeing as the guide I followed he gave me a official gpe with stock recovery and boot loader I'm inclined to believe that this is just a software issue or that since mine is running the official software yet has the right radio to receive hspa+ it can no longer utilize it. As u can probably tell I'm new to all this. If someone can clarify this it would be great and if there is a way to restore hspa+ functionality while keeping gpe stock software on my device that would be great. The gpe is just what I've been after but I hate to suffer data speed loss in certain areas. Any help would be great guys.
i havent updated my htc one to gpe because of this same reason, ive been trying to find out if theres a way around but im a little confused, because normaly this hapens whens the phone doesnt support that type of band, i had a note1 that i flashed a tmob modem and worked 4g, i hope something like that can be made so i ca use gpe with my one :fingers-crossed:
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Sorry for the confusing thread title but couldn't figure out how to word it. The issue I'm having is this , I have a normal sense HTC one from T-Mobile that I converted to a official gpe using a ruu and guide found here. From what I've read only the official gpe HTC one on T-Mobile suffers from the lack of being able to receive hspa+ where LTE is lacking, the normal version does not suffer this problem. I know this to be true as prior to converting mine I was always on LTE with great data speeds. However after converting to gpe in certain areas my phone loses LTE and goes to hspa for a brief second and then to 3g or even edge. Now from what I've read the normal HTC one model has the proper radio which prevents this while the official gpe does not. However seeing as the guide I followed he gave me a official gpe with stock recovery and boot loader I'm inclined to believe that this is just a software issue or that since mine is running the official software yet has the right radio to receive hspa+ it can no longer utilize it. As u can probably tell I'm new to all this. If someone can clarify this it would be great and if there is a way to restore hspa+ functionality while keeping gpe stock software on my device that would be great. The gpe is just what I've been after but I hate to suffer data speed loss in certain areas. Any help would be great guys.
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Just out of curiosity, the Google edition is not designed to support HSPA+; why do you expect it to do so? I would not expect the software to be designed to work with AWS, even though the radio and radio firmware support it. The GE was designed to work with ATT hardware, and that version of software is not expecting AWS hardware to be installed.
EDIT: You know, I personally think it is stupid for HTC to have two versions of hardware for US operations on GSM. They should have put the same AWS capabilities into both ATT and TMO versions (and GE as well).
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Just out of curiosity, the Google edition is not designed to support HSPA+; why do you expect it to do so? I would not expect the software to be designed to work with AWS, even though the radio and radio firmware support it. The GE was designed to work with ATT hardware, and that version of software is not expecting AWS hardware to be installed.
EDIT: You know, I personally think it is stupid for HTC to have two versions of hardware for US operations on GSM. They should have put the same AWS capabilities into both ATT and TMO versions (and GE as well).
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Thats the thing, I dont expect it to. i didnt know this until after i switched over but seeing as the hardware is there im assuming there has to be a way to flash a radio that will allow me to keep the google software and utilize the hardware i have. since im new to this i have no idea where to begin looking for radios.
EDIT: After reading a little more here on the forum I see there are people with Tmobile Htc Ones that have switched to GPE software and are saying they get HSPA+ all the time. Im still confused though because like i said when i was on stock sense software I ALWAYS had LTE. And ever since the switch im either on LTE or I drop to HSPA+ for like two seconds and then stay on 3g. Either my LTE reception is no longer as good as it was on stock sense, or the stock sense was never telling me when i went to a lesser connection. Considering flashing a radio but dont now where to start.
This thread has officially confused me. What exactly is the problem?
I have TMO HTC ONE on GE software and it seems to work on all bands as far as I know perfectly fine? What is the issue we are talking about here?
umrico said:
This thread has officially confused me. What exactly is the problem?
I have TMO HTC ONE on GE software and it seems to work on all bands as far as I know perfectly fine? What is the issue we are talking about here?
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The issue is that apparantly the tmobile GPE One which you can buy doesnt support HSPA+. I had the stock tmobile one which i converted to GPE and before the swtich I always had lte. Ever since i put GPE on my phone im either on LTE or it drops right to 3g. This led me to believe that even though my htc one doesnt suffer the physical limitation that the bought GPE One has, that of not having acces to HSPA+ bands, that maybe the software of the GPE was limiting mine to HSPA+ as well.
However now im reading that people that have flashed their phones to GPE are accessing HSPA+.
Can i ask you this. When you put GPE on your One, what version did you put on? Did you got to 4.2.2 and update to 4.3? or did you go right to 4.3? and would that make any difference?
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The issue is that apparantly the tmobile GPE One which you can buy doesnt support HSPA+. I had the stock tmobile one which i converted to GPE and before the swtich I always had lte. Ever since i put GPE on my phone im either on LTE or it drops right to 3g. This led me to believe that even though my htc one doesnt suffer the physical limitation that the bought GPE One has, that of not having acces to HSPA+ bands, that maybe the software of the GPE was limiting mine to HSPA+ as well.
However now im reading that people that have flashed their phones to GPE are accessing HSPA+.
Can i ask you this. When you put GPE on your One, what version did you put on? Did you got to 4.2.2 and update to 4.3? or did you go right to 4.3? and would that make any difference?
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I update about every day for past 4 months. Never wiped clean.
Are you aware that if the device sees a weak, it drops down to 3G/HSPA+ mode. HSPA uses more power then 3G. So when the phone is idle and not pushing mass amounts of data, it sits on 3G. When you push data for a number of seconds, its switches up to HSPA+ then idles back at 3G to use less power...could this be what you are referring to?
On Stock Sense, you will not see this as they hide it in the back ground...where as on GE they tell you the truth
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I update about every day for past 4 months. Never wiped clean.
Are you aware that if the device sees a weak, it drops down to 3G/HSPA+ mode. HSPA uses more power then 3G. So when the phone is idle and not pushing mass amounts of data, it sits on 3G. When you push data for a number of seconds, its switches up to HSPA+ then idles back at 3G to use less power...could this be what you are referring to?
On Stock Sense, you will not see this as they hide it in the back ground...where as on GE they tell you the truth
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Yes maybe that is what was happening because i was never really trying to access the internet, I was just keeping an eye on my phone to see what network it was on.
And I had a feeling that the sense version was just hiding that from me..
Thanks for the help, you pretty much clarified what i needed to know. Now if I can just find out what I have to do in order to receive OTA updates I will be good to go..
Just to add my own 2 cents: I fully converted my TMob HTC One to GPe 4.2.2 last wording just to make sure I could OTA when 4.4 hit.
It updated to 4.3 via OTA just fine and has been on LTE all morning. HSPA+ also seems to work fine when I'm outside the LTE area.
Not sure if that helps at all, but you definitely should be getting LTE and hspa+ if you did a full conversion from a TMob handset.
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Just to add my own 2 cents: I fully converted my TMob HTC One to GPe 4.2.2 last wording just to make sure I could OTA when 4.4 hit.
It updated to 4.3 via OTA just fine and has been on LTE all morning. HSPA+ also seems to work fine when I'm outside the LTE area.
Not sure if that helps at all, but you definitely should be getting LTE and hspa+ if you did a full conversion from a TMob handset.
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I realized as previous poster said that it displays 3g when idle. However my signal seems weaker now since converting in areas I had three bars of LTE before switch I get one or two of HEPA+. Have u noticed any reception loss.
Also did u get out with stock mid as I only changed Cid to googlOOO
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I realized as previous poster said that it displays 3g when idle. However my signal seems weaker now since converting in areas I had three bars of LTE before switch I get one or two of HEPA+. Have u noticed any reception loss.
Also did u get out with stock mid as I only changed Cid to googlOOO
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I did the full conversion - swapped bootloaders, wrote cid/mod (CID to GOOGL000 and MID to PN0710000), and then flashed the GPe RUU for 4.2.2 in fastboot RUU mode.
(I've actually used similar methods for converting this device to dev and international editions as well in the past using only different CID/MID combinations in order to get OTAs).
All conversions have resulted in HSPA+ and LTE connectivity. I've never really been concerned about speeds as they've always been "good enough" for me, but the few speed-tests I've run have always been at least 15mbit or higher (38mbit being the highest I've seen to date).
At some point I'll post the process and CID/MID combinations that have gotten me success on my T-Mobile One. It requires a modified hboot that can be scary at points (no screen, have to hold the power button for *ages* to get it into RUU mode, etc), but gets the job done.
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I did the full conversion - swapped bootloaders, wrote cid/mod (CID to GOOGL000 and MID to PN0710000), and then flashed the GPe RUU for 4.2.2 in fastboot RUU mode.
(I've actually used similar methods for converting this device to dev and international editions as well in the past using only different CID/MID combinations in order to get OTAs).
All conversions have resulted in HSPA+ and LTE connectivity. I've never really been concerned about speeds as they've always been "good enough" for me, but the few speed-tests I've run have always been at least 15mbit or higher (38mbit being the highest I've seen to date).
At some point I'll post the process and CID/MID combinations that have gotten me success on my T-Mobile One. It requires a modified hboot that can be scary at points (no screen, have to hold the power button for *ages* to get it into RUU mode, etc), but gets the job done.
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I'm fully converted to 4.3 gpe like I said I've only changed Cid to that of gpe. I was worried about not receiving it's updates but have read posts which confirm u can get then without changing mid. I was just wondering I'd after u received ota if your data speeds were better. Its hard to tell because while on stock sense I always displayed LTE as it apparently doesn't let you know when u switch networks. Noe on gpe I'm only getting hspa+ or 3g in areas which according to T-Mobile coverage maps I should get LTE I'm wondering I'd thid was always the case and I just didn't know. My speeds are sufficient for web browsing and YouTube everywhere I'm just the type that wants to know what is happening andbifbi can make it better I will do so. I've reqd of people getting better LTE after converting and then receiving 4.3 ota. This just doesn't seem to be my experience but their so many variables that its hard to say. Thanks for input though
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I'm only getting hspa+ or 3g in areas which according to T-Mobile coverage maps I should get LTE I'm wondering I'd thid was always the case and I just didn't know.
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I'm pretty sure T-Mobile doesn't show LTE coverage on their maps (there's a lot of gaps so this is for PR reasons). "4G" is either HSPA+ or LTE coverage on T-Mobile's maps, but they do not distinguish. The stock ROM (sense) will display "4G" for HSPA+ coverage, while the GPE ROM doesn't. It's still the same coverage. I think this is what's happening to you.
To clear up some confusion, all HTC One versions support HSPA+. It's a question of which frequencies they support it on. The GPe and Dev edition do not support Band 4 HSPA+ (AKA 1700 Mhz, or AWS). T-Mobile uses AWS HSPA+ on a majority of their "4G" footprint. Only areas that are getting LTE have Band II (1900 Mhz) HSPA+. This is done in order to free up AWS spectrum for LTE. Even within reframed areas, such as southern CA, AWS HSPA+ coverage is better (as not all towers have been, or it seems will be upgraded to LTE and reframed Band II HSPA+). Therefore the GPe will have significantly worse data coverage.
It's possible that the GPe conversion will disable Band 4 HSPA+ coverage on the T-Mobile variant. This is what the discussion should be about. If you're connected to an LTE tower, nothing should change. The GPe edition supports band 4 LTE, which is what T-Mobile uses anyway It's likely that you didn't have LTE before in these locations, and all that's changed is the display icon. Hope this helps.
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It's possible that the GPe conversion will disable Band 4 HSPA+ coverage on the T-Mobile variant. This is what the discussion should be about.
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I'm a clueless n00b, but my suspicion given all I've read about AWS and the M7 is that a GPE RUU won't disable the band, but the GPE baseband may not be optimized or may otherwise be unable to take advantage of that extra band that's not present in PN07120. If that's the case, I would imagine that flashing a T-Mobile radio onto a PN07130 [T-Mobile] One converted into a GPE would solve the problem and give you coverage identical to a bone stock PN07130.
The main reason I think this is that no one has had any success enabling AWS on the ATT/GPE/Dev variants by flashing T-Mobile radios or RUUs. I doubt you can 'disable' the band at anything lower than a superficial level, and even then I'm betting it's not 'disabling' as much as it is the GPE baseband not being programmed with AWS HSPA in mind.
I'll be in a position to find this out soon, as I'm probably going to sell my AT&T One and get a T-Mobile variant. I have a pretty decent idea of what kind of [crappy] coverage you get on a device lacking AWS (and I'm in a refarmed area).