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What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
parson33 said:
What do you like or not like about your G-Tablet?
For 299.99 shipped I couldn't pass it up.
Did I get a good deal? Should I have picked a different tablet?
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
Asus got its own perks... and besides viewing angles this tablet is doing what I need. I see no other issues unless you have to have HC OS.
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You should have spent another $100 and bought an asus. There are multiple issues that don't exist in the asus and are well worth $100
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How does this help him? Buy an Asus, ipad, xoom or whatever the flavor of the week is?
The dev community and the price tag make the g tablet a win. If you were forced to run stock that's a different story.
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Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
thebadfrog said:
Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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Don't forget to mention that the touchscreen itself is a pain - hardly multi-touch at all.....
thebadfrog said:
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
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If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
thebadfrog said:
Where shall I start.....
Hardware accelleration is hacked at best.
Quality control is less than stellar
Viewing angles are horrid
You have about 50% chance of soft bricking your device whether you customize it or not
You have about 5% chance of hard bricking it doing the exact same thing everyone else does and they have no issue
This product is most definitely at the end of its life
The newer tablets work with the market out of the box
The newer tablet have hardware acceleration
The newer tablets have better screens
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
He asked for opinions. IMO spending $100 for way better viewing angles, newer software, support from a proven laptop/netbook manufacturer, google market out of the box, and official support from app devs as these tabs are authorized to have the market.
BTW.....most of the top devs are either moving to the asus or something like it. As well as all the top devs who haven't jumped into the tab market yet are gettting the asus or something like it. If you want to follow the dev community then buy what they are buying not what they are putting down
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All nice...but...none of this is what the OP asked. He/She wanted to know was this a good purchase at a good price. I'm sure he/she saw other tablets on the market and shopped within budget. There's always a step up you can spring for, show me a better tablet at or under $300.00 and I'll recant.
Should I buy the BMW, why not the Mercedes.
I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
parson33 said:
Is there anything beside viewing angles that I should have to learn to put up with?
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I believe my response answered the OP
schettj said:
If you bought this tablet to screw around with, it's teh awesome.
All tablets are obsolete about 5 months after they're announced, let alone shipped. That doesn't make any of them any less useful. Android support from the manufactures is currently the thing that is most horrible compared to that other tablet OS - where you get an update, and - well - all of the devices are updated. Android updates? Yeah... up to each manufacturer. Good luck with your 3 - 6 month old tablet, the new OS will be on the next tablet. Welcome to Android, it's Open! And Free! Yay!
You made a bad choice if you think you did. If you're happy with your choice, you made a great choice.
If you have doubts or regrets already, and you can still return it, DO IT. Get something else. Maybe even a different OS.
I'm quite happy with mine, and I've had it nearly two weeks I'm learning a lot, and the price was right. Personally, for $400, I'd still NOT have an android tablet, but that's just me.
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Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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I agree with schettj 100% btw....he just asked for opinions
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Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
lrs421 said:
Well said, the technology is moving so fast all of these things are becoming obselete .
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There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
The newer tablet have support from the manufacturer
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is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
Quality is everything to me, my Xoom does everything I need and it's stable, plus it will most likely get regular updates to issues and featurees. Still, it looks like a great tablet compared the Galaxy Tab.
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jerdog said:
There is a difference here that I don't think is recognized.
What thebadfrog says above:
is a huge deal IMHO. I don't recommend anyone buy a Samsung phone because their support sucks (even Google Android devs can't stand them and hate working with them). While their hardware is great.
HTC is the best smartphone maker out there - hands down. The continued support they provide the community and their phones is second to none. Look at how many of their old phones are still getting updates? My Evo is almost a year old and is about to get Gingerbread direct from HTC (even though CM7 is out for it).
So that's another thing to look at. You don't want to drop $300 every 6 months in order to maintain support - you want to find a device made by a manufacturer that has a proven support track record - and Asus is one, Acer is another. Viewsonic is not. We're in an age where, while there is new stuff coming out daily, the existing hardware is still viable due to the community and the manufacturer support (when you pick the right one).
I think it's often overlooked.
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That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
lrs421 said:
Yeah I probably need to dial it back a bit, it's all good.
As a side, where the hell can you get an Asus these days (I tried ).
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Mine is on back order hopefully to be delivered next week.
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Well that's good news. Enjoy, they're pretty much gone and many stores stopped accepting back orders.
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lrs421 said:
That's a good point and the reason I chucked my Captivate in favor of the HTC Inspire. I admit that I didn't realize how bad Viewsonic's support was going in, with that said, I still think this is the best choice at or under $300.00 Now if the OP wants to fork up the extra cash I say go for it, I looked for the Asus myself and may infact purchase one whenever they become available.
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I didn't seriously consider any tablet when they were 400 dollars or over. I would buy an Asus down the line (when it is close to obsolete) when it hits 299.99 or lower.
However I was not aware Viewsonic did not support the G-Tablet very well. Is support in this forum from developers going to dry up in the next year? If I could get year out of this tablet I would be happy. Obviously I hoping for Gingerbread. Or Honeycomb rather? I am a newbie. (can't you tell?)
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
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lrs421 said:
Its hard to say what support is going to look like, but the older this item gets the more development its likely to lose, its the natural order of things.
Sent from Desire HD or Inspire 4G or whatever this thing is called via premium XDA app.
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There are different factors too.... Look at the Nexus One. Still getting updates (albeit it's Google's), but TMobile is still pushing updates for the myTouch.... The Evo is 1yr old. Others are older and still getting development from the community at-large. A company's willingness to be open to the community contributes as well....
I know its been done before, but I emailed HTC about any possibilities to an ICS update for the jetstream. Since XDA reported that Samsungs galaxy tabs are getting their ICS updates, its upsetting that such a beastly, functional, and not to mention expensive device like the jetstream goes with little/no support and no update to ICS.
Perhaps the small userbase in these forums could also send an email asking or requesting yoru concern for an update be forwarded to the right department(wishful thinking).
-------> http://www.htc.com/us/support/email-support
What a bummer.
I feel like if the Jetstream got ICS, it would expand the life of the device a ton.
I agree. I've spoke with HTC via email and phone to ask them about this. It's always the same response, that they can't provide any info on this presently.
Also, Paul O'Brien (@modaco) was at a 2-day HTC event recently, and he said he'd ask them about it, but I haven't seen what came of this yet.
typhoonikan said:
I know its been done before, but I emailed HTC about any possibilities to an ICS update for the jetstream. Since XDA reported that Samsungs galaxy tabs are getting their ICS updates, its upsetting that such a beastly, functional, and not to mention expensive device like the jetstream goes with little/no support and no update to ICS.
Perhaps the small userbase in these forums could also send an email asking or requesting yoru concern for an update be forwarded to the right department(wishful thinking).
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What a bummer.
I feel like if the Jetstream got ICS, it would expand the life of the device a ton.
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I too wrote an email to them and they replied they had no idea and as it was under AT&T, we were to contact them for further details.
Anyways, I just hope that HTC will support the device for 18 months as they promised (meaning which they may release ICS sometime later on) and I agree that if it does come it will be late but I still feel it will be worth the wait.
In the meanwhile, all we can do is wait with our fingers crossed.
kailashpchhabria said:
I too wrote an email to them and they replied they had no idea and as it was under AT&T, we were to contact them for further details.
Anyways, I just hope that HTC will support the device for 18 months as they promised (meaning which they may release ICS sometime later on) and I agree that if it does come it will be late but I still feel it will be worth the wait.
In the meanwhile, all we can do is wait with our fingers crossed.
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ATT's responsibility?
ATT is not the ones programming HTC phones. Sounds like a tactic to get customers to go away, blame ATT.
I'd say at this point with the Jetstream's lack of popularity, price drop, etc, HTC probably feels like the time it would take for an ICS update would be a waste of time money and resources. I hope this is not the case.
Its frustrating when you put your faith and money in a company and their product and other companies are dishing out updates.
typhoonikan said:
ATT's responsibility?
ATT is not the ones programming HTC phones. Sounds like a tactic to get customers to go away, blame ATT.
I'd say at this point with the Jetstream's lack of popularity, price drop, etc, HTC probably feels like the time it would take for an ICS update would be a waste of time money and resources. I hope this is not the case.
Its frustrating when you put your faith and money in a company and their product and other companies are dishing out updates.
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Ya they just plan on pushing from HTC to AT&T and vice versa.
HTC should not just leave us to die with the device. If they find the popularity low, by bringing ICS out for this device, they could really increase its popularity manifold.
Let us also not forget that Flyer got an update for its software only after a year of its release. So let us just hope that HTC keeps its promise for supportive its devices for 18months after release and does something concrete for us.
In the meanwhile, we must hope and wait. S-OFF also globatron has done some really nice method for other HTC devices using wire link method. It may be viable for the Jetstream as well. Let's just wait and see.
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Hello everyone!
Please see the link below which confirms our agony! HTC is dead to me!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/htc-ics-android-updates/
Never buying HTC ever again.
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
thats a stupid move....on both the jetstream (which was very expensive) and the flyer (which was very popular after the price cut)
damn it.
at least we got an answer.
never touching HTC again after this.
Also, now is the time to put some money to our ICS bounty...since it is the last hope for this device.
guru_shastri said:
damn it.
at least we got an answer.
never touching HTC again after this.
Also, now is the time to put some money to our ICS bounty...since it is the last hope for this device.
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Not to rain on our already rainy parade, but that's not much of a hope. With Honeycomb being closed source, and everything HTC (except the kernel) being closed source, there's pretty much zero chance this device will ever see ICS.
I love my One X, but I really wish I could go back in time and get a Galaxy Tab.
I am very dissapointed. I was bought my jetstream off contract from at&t last october 910usd include taxes and unlock. Very very expensive. And no update? HTC is a shame!!! Today I got my galaxy tab 2 p3100 which has 4.0.3 factory loaded. Great speed and usage. Dual core processor and lot of memory. And cost me 350usd factory unlocked. So thats what I call money steal.
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we are the biggest suckers of the android world...
But - for the right amount of money we just might be able to recruit a developer to release us from the htc choke hold.
And also, russ said he's working to get htc to cooperate with him on building a rom for us.here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1651651
There is still a tiny shred of hope.
craig0r said:
Not to rain on our already rainy parade, but that's not much of a hope. With Honeycomb being closed source, and everything HTC (except the kernel) being closed source, there's pretty much zero chance this device will ever see ICS.
I love my One X, but I really wish I could go back in time and get a Galaxy Tab.
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why is honeycomb closed source? the source was released the same day ICS source was released. HTC sense for tablets i don't know about the source but for phones it is fairly open + its not like htc are done with tablets for good. when the next bunch come out im sure someone will port something over for you
wish the jetstream came to the UK but thats a long gone wish
I dont understand why HTC will not update the rom. I will be happy for honeycomb update too. Honeycomb 3.2 update and sense update will be greathful. Why want htc to kill this good tablet.
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HTC really should release an update. i'd say more yet....... you know.
just cause a riot on their facebook page like the desire owners did with gingerbread...making htc retract their statement
there's not enough of us.
every post here gets hundreds of views but no one seems to actually respond..IDK if its because they don't own a jetstream or just won't help
there's not enough of us.
every post here gets hundreds of views but no one seems to actually respond..IDK if its because they don't own a jetstream or just won't help
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Agreed. Been away for a week and I return to see not much improvement with the bounty or anything else. There is still always hope..
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Jumping ship as they say...it's a shame and there will be a ripple effect.
From a hardware perspective it is still an incredible device. It is truly a shame that HTC has pulled the plug on it and is washing it's hands of what were very likely highly committed HTC users. It was a premium device with a premium price and devoted HTC fans were confident it was a worthy purchase. Although the device did not see extensive penetration, the customers the company will lose as a result (including myself) were valuable voices in the marketplace as champions of the company among other consumers. Though small, there will be a ripple effect. People look to their tech savvy friends and family members for buying advice and I am certainly sharing my experiences openly and honestly.
I have always previously trusted HTC to keep capable devices relevant. Unfortunately, the Jetstream's honeycomb software seemed like an interim OS until HTC had time to get 4.0 up and running. HTC Sense on the Jetstream experiences frequent reboots, the pen gets laggy, the stock notes app hangs up and fails to recognize pen movement at times and the device certainly does not run like it should with this hardware....the processor could still hang with the best of them if it was properly supported.
The HTC One X was going to be my next phone. I've been a fan of the company since it's Windows Mobile days. This experience both from a device standpoint under the current software and the lack of commitment from the company to adequately support the device moving forward (which in my humble opinion includes ICS support) has me waiting for the GS III or other flagship device. Jumping ship as they say.
Jetstream upgrade project
Hi,
I would really like to upgrade my HTC Jetstream, I would like to start an upgrade project for this lovely tablet, I have $150 bucks to make the upgrade project interesting for our fantastic developers. Any other support?
thank you.
Chris
Well, as the title says, HTC is preparing a new tablet and has leaked some info and benchmarks of the new device. When they announced the Flyer/EVO View and Jetstream were not going to receive official ICS update, one of the reasons HTC gave was that they were not going to develop new tablets and the cost of developing a new ICS Sense for Tablets was not worth it for just two devices...
So now... what?
I'd like to ask everybody here who has a Facebook account to go to the official HTC facebook page and demand the update to ICS for the Flyer/ EVO View and Jetstream tablets. It's not useless, HTC has rectified before when the customers filled their facebook pages demanding updates (Gingerbread update for Desire is a good example).
Some facts you can use to convince HTC to release the update (you can copy/paste in the HTC facebook pages):
- Flyer was released in May 2011, Desire HD in October 2010. Flyer is more powerful... but the DHD is getting the update. Not anymore!!! has HTC decision makers gone mad???
- Flyer has a more powerful CPU than One V, and twice the RAM... One V already has ICS, of course.
- Flyer has some unofficial ICS ROMs already, even a Sense 4 port, and those are the fastest ROMs ever in this device, but many things don't work because they are not official ROMs. The hardware is more than ready for ICS, it's begging for the update!!!
- HTC is going to release a new tablet, everyone who owns an HTC tablet will never buy another HTC after this "NO ICS" decision and we´ll be recommending everyone we know against doing so. And probably advise against their phones too.
- The hardware specs and quality of manufacturing of HTC tablets are outstanding. HTC tablets have been a commercial failure in the past because of several reasons, but the hardware is not one of them. Poor advertising, extremely high price,... but most of all, the lack of a proper OS is the major flaw of these devices.
- The Honeycomb update brought the loss of functionalities like phone calls or the hardware buttons... and a loss of 10% screen working area in landscape mode because of the Honeycomb bar (and we are talking of a 7" screen). We BOUGHT a device with those functionalities and there is no official downgrade.
- Most Flyer users were really disappointed with the Honeycomb update and were sincerely hoping an ICS update would fix those things, many kept Gingerbread instead of installing the update. The most read threads in the Flyer's forums on the Internet are the ones explaining how to downgrade to Gingerbread (unofficial method, of course). This is a worldwide situation.
- Honeycomb is dead. It was Google's temporary solution for tablets until ICS was ready and it shows... every major manufacturer is updating their tablets to ICS and getting rid of Honeycomb for good. No one wants Honeycomb, it was a failure, and that is known even at Google central offices (they won't admit it, of course). Our one year old devices should not be running an obsolete OS. With Gingerbread first and later with Honeycomb we still don't have a proper OS to enjoy the full potential of our devices, ICS is the solution and HTC is not updating.
- The ICS update is not just a fancy thing we are asking for, it's a necessity for our devices to function as they should.
- If HTC is developing a new ICS Sense for Tablets, it should not cost much to bring it to our devices. The cost of developing is out of the equation. HTC is letting down its actual tablet consumer base at the same time it is developing something that would make us all happy if it was released for our tablets. If we get an OS update (ICS or JB) for our devices then our next tablet would be an HTC almost for sure and we would be happy customers. Instead, we will not only run away from future HTC tablets but also the phones.
- The new HTC Quattro, Vertex or whatever name HTC gives to their new 10" tablet will be a commercial failure for sure if the owners of the only HTC tablets to date are left in the present situation. We are not happy, and the reason is the lack of a proper OS, it's a software problem. We will advise everyone against buying HTC tablets and we won't buy any more products from them. We could be telling everyone how wonderful HTC tablets really are if we had the proper OS, that's the best advertising any company wants, but we'll do right the opposite.
- Many of the HTC tablet customers chose their devices because they had HTC written all over them, knowing that meant QUALITY in capital letters. Early adopters of new devices are the ones that determine the success or failure of a company in a market niche. They're usually technology enthusiasts and they spread the word if a product is great or not. Apple knows very well what i'm talking about.
Tablets still are a fairly new product for the masses (specially Android ones), the early adopters of the HTC tablets are not satisfied, and a simple update can change the situation. Very little cost for HTC and huge benefits if they release the update.
- If HTC really wants to sell tablets and be one of the big brands they have to treat their customers properly, and give us the ICS update we need to enjoy the full potential of our devices (and also have back again the functionalities WE PAID FOR). Otherwise they will continue to see their benefits numbers drop (half this year).
I've already started to publish all this at the HTC main facebook page and at HTC Spain facebook page (where I live), and of course there is a Spanish version of this rant that is "more colorful" because that's my native language (En el anuncio de la filtración de las prestaciones del nuevo tablet les dije que si no nos dan la actualización se lo podian meter por donde amargan los pepinos, por ejemplo )
Of course all this might end up in nothing, but we have nothing to loose and much to gain just by spending a few minutes on facebook telling HTC that we are not happy, and that they might be in for a rough ride trying to sell their new tablet having their current tablet user base so pissed up.
Link to HTC facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/HTC
Honestly man its a lost cause. Htc won't bend on it, they've made up their minds and the writing is on the wall. Good news is we have a good aokp build started by chaos so we will have a full working ics rom but not from htc
Also if they use the same pen technology, it might be our ticket to working pen on ics
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our best hopes would be that something from this new tablet could be ported over
I wouldn't bet on the porting bit, the processor architectures are just too different. I guess maybe Chaos could get some kind of kernel ported, but I would personally be running AOKP even if we had a OEM solution. Hmm...you know I wonder if the AOKP MHL issue is because the standard Linux kernel doesn't support the second framebuffer...?
Just did my bit.
I doubt the hardware will be anywhere similar to the flyer but if it has pen, then we could get an ics pen driver
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Same here. Posted on HTC's facebook page.
Figured why the hell not
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Ah great my punctuation is all messed up. "buy" instead of by and "their" instead of "there" lol i look like an idiot now
And now I know why I don't post on Facebook. Because there is some trolling htc fanboy that is the first to comment every time I make a comment about the Flyer. This dude probably bought every condem named htc phone that ever lived, probably uses an htc Status as his main phone, probably has a closet full of white shirts with green htc logos, and spends every waking moment on their page defending them to the teeth if anyone dares make rip on them. His name is Droider.se
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i wrote on their facebook page and here is the reply from them:
https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10151269154368084?notif_t=feed_comment
Our tablets are built and optimized for a Honeycomb experience. To preserve that match between hardware and software, we do not plan to update our tablets at this time. Upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.0 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support as needed.
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i wrote on their facebook page and here is the reply from them:
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Lmao that was straight out of their press released. "optimized for honeycomb"? Seriously? Optimized for what lag? If the flyer was optimized for anything, it was gingerbread not honeycomb.
I know it's all a lost cause anyway but still entertaining to hear their responses. Also ongoing support means releasing an update to address the lag and broken gps, and I see no indication they a going to do that.
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I would like to post on their Facebook profiles, but I probably won't. I used to post on HTC Global, HTC UK, HTC Canada and HTC US. But I always got responses from dubious people who were on HTC's side, and to tell you the truth, I don't need more bad blood from dealing with (the lack of) official ICS of the Flyer.
It's a slap in the face if HTC is really developing another tablet. They've probably made some market research and must've found out that people really want another HTC tablet because their first go was such a commercial success. Plus, they must've found out that HTC tablet owners are so happy with their purchases, they're now like iPad owners: whenever a new generation comes, they jump right away.
Eitherway, I wish all the best to HTC. They said no ICS is coming for the Flyer. I can live with that as long as they keep their promise to update Honeycomb. Though, I doubt they'll have the time. JB is already here, and they're still busy updating to ICS.
I bought this tab 50 Days ago... Now I am already ranting about it. Should i exchange it for a Nexus 7?
Also, posted on their facebook
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I would like to post on their Facebook profiles, but I probably won't. I used to post on HTC Global, HTC UK, HTC Canada and HTC US. But I always got responses from dubious people who were on HTC's side, and to tell you the truth, I don't need more bad blood from dealing with (the lack of) official ICS of the Flyer.
It's a slap in the face if HTC is really developing another tablet. They've probably made some market research and must've found out that people really want another HTC tablet because their first go was such a commercial success. Plus, they must've found out that HTC tablet owners are so happy with their purchases, they're now like iPad owners: whenever a new generation comes, they jump right away.
Eitherway, I wish all the best to HTC. They said no ICS is coming for the Flyer. I can live with that as long as they keep their promise to update Honeycomb. Though, I doubt they'll have the time. JB is already here, and they're still busy updating to ICS.
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I'm pretty sure HTC never promised to update Honeycomb.
race55 said:
I bought this tab 50 Days ago... Now I am already ranting about it. Should i exchange it for a Nexus 7?
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Where would you exchange it ? I'm thinking about swapping this tab somewhere too
Yeah there are htc fanboys that troll the site, and you ask about a Flyer ics update and the trolls attack you. Oh well. This isn't going to work, htc has made up their minds. We found this out in May. Let's just focus on ioidroid and Lisbon, scew htc! Ics probably wouldn't have been as nice as we thought anyway, most likely htc would of found a way to make it even slower than honeycomb!
I used to complain too but hell the nexus is only 200, so if I get tired I'll just grab that, we are fortunate to have the developers we have so that should be the focus, not beating a dead horse with nagging at htc
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Cor-master said:
And now I know why I don't post on Facebook. Because there is some trolling htc fanboy that is the first to comment every time I make a comment about the Flyer. This dude probably bought every condem named htc phone that ever lived, probably uses an htc Status as his main phone, probably has a closet full of white shirts with green htc logos, and spends every waking moment on their page defending them to the teeth if anyone dares make rip on them. His name is Droider.se
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LOL Droider.se!!! I had to suffer him too!!!
j510 said:
Where would you exchange it ? I'm thinking about swapping this tab somewhere too
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I would probably sell it to my dad because he really wanted one after seeing mine but couldn't find them anywhere... From that money i would buy a Nexus 7 when they come available here in The Netherlands.
Here's what I wrote and what i was answered... with Droider.se answers included too...
It's long, so relax, read it if you're bored. I'll post the three captures:
Part1
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I forgot to tell them... If HTC Tablets are optimized for Honeycomb and that's why we're not getting ICS... then WHY THE HELL DO I HAVE HARDWARE BUTTONS IN MY DEVICE?????, so I just did:
Posted. More than likely will get the canned reply, but it's there.
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Well the Flyer got mailed off today and my new nexus 7 arrived shortly thereafter. I'm really glad I finally made this decision, the Flyer was never this fast! I never was truly happy with it but the great developers we had made the experience worth it. It was good chatting with you all, I'll see you around xda
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Best wishes, enjoy your new tab
Flyer
Ditto. Plus I might be joining you in the Nexus 7 board, possibly found a buyer for my Flyer.
See ya over on the n7 boards... Mine came in yesterday, but I'm keeping the Flyer. Navigon crashes on the n7 so until they fix it.... That and I'm still working on an xbmc skin using the Flyer as a test platform.
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Navigon crashes because n7 has no GPS? I never looked at the specs, but I dont think they would put GPS in a 199 device.
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Navigon crashes because n7 has no GPS? I never looked at the specs, but I dont think they would put GPS in a 199 device.
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It has gps. App runs for about 5 minutes at most then the screen blacks out and FC's.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/1
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Cor-master said:
Well the Flyer got mailed off today and my new nexus 7 arrived shortly thereafter. I'm really glad I finally made this decision, the Flyer was never this fast! I never was truly happy with it but the great developers we had made the experience worth it. It was good chatting with you all, I'll see you around xda
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wish you the best. I wished you could've held onto your flyer as well because I think you will miss out on the awesomeness of our beloved flyer once ICS or even Jellybean is fully functioning (which I feel will be very soon). Honestly I would have probably made the same move you did if I didn't use the pen as extensively as I do.
I wanted too hold on to it but I needed the money to afford the nexus. Also had to sell my PSP and zune, still $40 short on the charge. I really love the communities here and I wanted to see where chaos took Lisbon, but overall I the Flyer fell short of my expectations. Honestly I didn't get it because I was hoping for ICS, but I didn't realize how honeycomb sucked in General. Overall I am ultra picky about lag, a lot of average users would play with honeycomb and not see a reasons to complain, but I guess it comes from being a PC guy. My PC has either always had the hardware or I've tweaked whatever version of windows to keep it lag free.
But my flyer only sold for $125, not having a pen screwed me on price as most sold with the pen but at that price when I'm doing better financially I could buy another one easy I'll still be around here as threads show up in participated on tapatalk and I'd like to help out new users. But overall if you aren't happy with the flyer and you don't need the stuff your loosing, then sell it now before it depreciates more because this thing rocks. Ridiculously wicked fast and jelly bean is really cool . See I remember ripping on the fire for not having an SD and I planned on getting a 32 gig SD for my flyer but never got around to it and found I didn't need it. I got the 16 gig nexus because of game storage primarily. A rear camera never was important to me, and I have never used mhl, I got a ps3 and roku box networked to my PC for streaming purposes.
I also like how much easier this thing is to hold. The back is grippy and the weight is pretty light. My flyer I'd drop when trying to switch orientation all the time because the back was slippery and it was a bit heavy.
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I hear a nexus 10 is in the works, but I dunno with the ipad still being the world's most popular tablet and the ipad 2 starting at $400 it seems like the 10 inch market is lost to apple unless they could hit the 300 mark or so.
I will say the Android tablet market really sucks right now because if you want the features the nexus doesn't provide then your at the mercy of a manufacturer that might keep your tablet updated might not. Honestly the update problem is more forgivable on a subsidized phone. No one holds on to their phones and if your phone gets cut off too soon, your probably only 3 months from your upgrade date anyway. The flyer will be my reason for only buying nexus products from now on. I bought the flyer and planned on keeping it several years, and if they would of just gave it ics, I could see that happening. The nexus has better hardware, but I bought it for the software, the flyer was plenty capable. Overall though htc in general has annoyed me, I never complained about poor support from Samsung with my captivate, even though I was on par with my HTC devices because it had an unlocked bootloader and updates didn't matter when you could root it and keep it up to date yourself. Chaos will make that happen with the Flyer but my phone is a lost cause. HTC put some code embedded in the device that prevents the RIL from working properly with att sims. And then this "relocked" rubbish you know I'm sorry but putting a custom rom on won't break my screen, power button, or speaker, and imo rooting shouldn't void your warranty unless they can prove you a change you made caused a power failure. When we bought our Dell laptop in 2009 it came with vista with a windows 7 upgrade available by mail when 7 launched. When I got it I put the 7 disk in, booted into it, upgraded from disc, and wiped my previous copy of windows. All bloat was removed, and I was pure windows 7 no bs. And it was still covered by warranty 100%! Imo putting a custom rom on is no different than reinstalling windows on putting Linux on your pc and doesn't warrant a warranty void. Ok stepping off my soap box now /rant
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Speaking of the galaxy nexus, the tab makes me want one now I've experienced pure aosp android from a stock device I don't ever want to use a manufacturer skin ever again! Pure android ftw
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You'll be missed in this subforum, but I understand your reasons well enough. I still have hope in Chaos giving us a fully working ICS ROM for the Flyer, and maybe then I'll see you around here again . Have fun with your new tablet!!
P.D: 125$ for your Flyer... a bit too low, isn't it? I would have given you 150$ right now, paying myself the mailing to Spain. It would have been a great present for my mother or my girlfriend who are always stealing my Flyer
doctorlirio said:
You'll be missed in this subforum, but I understand your reasons well enough. I still have hope in Chaos giving us a fully working ICS ROM for the Flyer, and maybe then I'll see you around here again . Have fun with your new tablet!!
P.D: 125$ for your Flyer... a bit too low, isn't it? I would have given you 150$ right now, paying myself the mailing to Spain. It would have been a great present for my mother or my girlfriend who are always stealing my Flyer
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Ha wish I would of known that. I didn't have the pen and every flyer for around $150 had the pen bundled with it. Good chatting with you!
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The Nexus 7 is great but I wish it was a higher end device with better build quality.
The software is amazing though. Everything is so fluid and smooth. Also, the amount of development is crazy when you consider that not much development is really needed! It is overkill.
I kept one of my two Flyers and still have high hopes that the dedicated devs here will get it all sorted. Chaosz-x and Dexter have come a long way and I am hoping that the UI flinging issues and video issues can get fixed.
All things considered, I don't think I'll buy a non-Nexus device again. This is a lesson learned the hard way from HTC.
Honestly the build quality is on the same level as the flyer. Don't let the screen separation issues scare you off, it affects less people than it looks. People get on message boards to ***** not to praise and mine seems flawless thus far. Screen is gorgeous too btw, I noticed the screen calibration issue but that's minor and Google is going to patch it at some point.
Also it's a lot lighter and easier to hold than the flyer which I like and its overall a good looking device. I don't quite get the Asus bashing, being a pc guy I've bought alot of Asus parts over the years, in fact my motherboard right now is an AsRock, a budget brand of Asus and you'd think it was a $200 board with the features and build quality
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Cor-master said:
Honestly the build quality is on the same level as the flyer. Don't let the screen separation issues scare you off, it affects less people than it looks. People get on message boards to ***** not to praise and mine seems flawless thus far. Screen is gorgeous too btw, I noticed the screen calibration issue but that's minor and Google is going to patch it at some point.
Also it's a lot lighter and easier to hold than the flyer which I like and its overall a good looking device. I don't quite get the Asus bashing, being a pc guy I've bought alot of Asus parts over the years, in fact my motherboard right now is an AsRock, a budget brand of Asus and you'd think it was a $200 board with the features and build quality
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Too much plastic to be good quality!
I'm with you on the non nexus thing. Speaking of which development is dead for cm10 on my vivid, ril issues they couldn't overcome. Htc makes their stuff too damn hard to hack, I don't know why they care. Imo recovery should be installed out of the box, s-rubbish should of never existed as with the concept of locked bootloaders, and rooting should be an option in recovery with a disclaimer. Shouldn't void your warranty unless you break something afterwards that's the result of something you could only do with root access imo. Why do these companies care anyway?
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Cor-master said:
Htc makes their stuff too damn hard to hack, I don't know why they care. Imo recovery should be installed out of the box, s-rubbish should of never existed as with the concept of locked bootloaders, and rooting should be an option in recovery with a disclaimer. Shouldn't void your warranty unless you break something afterwards that's the result of something you could only do with root access imo. Why do these companies care anyway?
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It might not be that easy for HTC to tell whether an issue (such as a brick) was caused by hardware, or something stupid the customer did. There are a bunch of people on the One X that are bricking their phones by flashing the ROMs for the wrong version of the One X (international Tegra3 ROMs on Snapdragon S4 devices) despite the forums being completely and deliberately separated, multiple warnings and threads instructing not to do it, etc.
Some of these guys have already said (or had it suggested by other unscrupulous members) they were going to try to return the phone for a free replacement, claiming a hardware defect. With behavior like this, its not hard to understand why HTC is locking bootloaders.
Question: Is it safe to do a "Factory Data Reset" on this tablet? This has been rooted and upgraded to 3.0 using Globatron's method.
I made the decision to sell this on eBay as well. Also, Cor, how much did you sell yours for?
I'm planning on selling mine with the pen, a portfolio case, and a Trident Aegis Case.
theomni said:
Question: Is it safe to do a "Factory Data Reset" on this tablet? This has been rooted and upgraded to 3.0 using Globatron's method.
I made the decision to sell this on eBay as well.
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Should be. You just want to wipe our personal data from the phone? You can always wipe data from CWM, as well. That I know works.
Note that either way, it just wipes data and leaves whatever ROM was flashed on the tablet. The term "factory reset" is a bit of a misnomer. It implies to some people that the stock ROM will return, which is not the case.
Cor-master said:
I'm with you on the non nexus thing. Speaking of which development is dead for cm10 on my vivid, ril issues they couldn't overcome. Htc makes their stuff too damn hard to hack, I don't know why they care. Imo recovery should be installed out of the box, s-rubbish should of never existed as with the concept of locked bootloaders, and rooting should be an option in recovery with a disclaimer. Shouldn't void your warranty unless you break something afterwards that's the result of something you could only do with root access imo. Why do these companies care anyway?
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I see where you are coming from as a basic consumer, but what these big companies want are corporate clients. While we don't care as much if our phone is secure, too a lot of these government contractors, and larger private business having secure phones is a big deals, since executives and the like will company proprietary information on them. All of a sudden S-ON and lack of root is important.