Before I ask, I just want to set things straight. This is not to complain, ask when AOSP will be out, or troll thread. This is simply to learn more about our specific RIL. So, without further adieu, what makes our RIL so hard to crack? What is specific and special about it that makes it such a pain to work with compared to other phones from OEM's like Samsung, and even other HTC phones. Is it the fact that our LTE radios are so specific and new? Would love to learn more about out RIL situation because I've been wanting to start deving since I had my Droid 2.
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As far as I know, only two cdma and phones exist with this type of RIL: Rezound and the Thunderbolt. They are the only CDMA phones that can surf and talk at the same time on network.
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Chyrux said:
As far as I know, only two cdma and phones exist with this type of RIL: Rezound and the Thunderbolt. They are the only CDMA phones that can surf and talk at the same time on network.
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GS3 Verizon can surf & talk on 3G. The proprietary LTE RIL is what is making it so difficult. If it was a pure CDMA (3G only) phone, we would have had CM9 100% working MONTHS ago.
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GS3 Verizon can surf & talk on 3G. The proprietary LTE RIL is what is making it so difficult. If it was a pure CDMA (3G only) phone, we would have had CM9 100% working MONTHS ago.
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If that's true, is there any reason we haven't seen any AOSP-based ROMs with only CDMA and not LTE?
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If that's true, is there any reason we haven't seen any AOSP-based ROMs with only CDMA and not LTE?
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It's all or nothing really.
con247 said:
GS3 Verizon can surf & talk on 3G. The proprietary LTE RIL is what is making it so difficult. If it was a pure CDMA (3G only) phone, we would have had CM9 100% working MONTHS ago.
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That's what I thought, thanks Con!
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Ok, totally nervous and anxious noob here. I had a question about the capabilities of the modem in this phone. My coworker has a captivate, and he told me all about the stuff you do here, and how he upgraded his modem to 4g. Is the vzw variant capable of the same? I've been reading the threads for a few weeks now, trying to figure out what to get, and now I'm just confused with the whole process, but that's a topic for another day.
Thanks.
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No.
The captivate can do HSPA which is all of the sudden be marketed as 4G (as HSPA+) but only up to the device limit of 7M.
That is one of ATT/TMO's ways of saying 4G.
VZN is using LTE which is different from their current CDMA#K which means phones can not take advantage of it.
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Yeah, no. The "4G" he is talking about is not really 4G. It's a fake 4G.
http://www.technobuffalo.com/comparisons/htc-inspire-4g-vs-htc-thunderbolt-4g-speed-test/
but wait......i thought if you put 4g icons in your theme....then it unlocked that super secret lte radio that came with the fascinate!?!?!
Thanks for the info.
Brownie points for Big Red...NOT.
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aaronDroid80 said:
Thanks for the info.
Brownie points for Big Red...NOT.
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So now you are discrediting VZW because they use a different technology than AT&T and bought a phone that is working as advertised?
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Thanks for the info.
Brownie points for Big Red...NOT.
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Its not really 4G, the phone works fine and as intended. If you want 4g, then go get a 4g phone from verizon(who has the best 4g network at the moment, forget ATT's crap)
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So now you are discrediting VZW because they use a different technology than AT&T and bought a phone that is working as advertised?
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Hahahah, this. +1
HSPA and LTE are different tech, just like CDMA#k and HSPA. HSPA has the same speed capability as LTE but the drasticly different delivery mechanism makes it a loser for these kind of tests.
LTE is the true future tech even though it doesn't meet 4G guidelines. Future HSPA evolutions are just going to be like new and improved satellite TDMA systems.... larger pipe for more terminals... but dont ldt ths customer know how many terminals there are.
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Musicmaster said:
So now you are discrediting VZW because they use a different technology than AT&T and bought a phone that is working as advertised?
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If I had my choice, I would've gone with AT&T for numerous reasons, but given my circumstance, VZW was my only option. Big Red has a track record of making things difficult for the end user (like upgrading phones). I love this phone, and the service is good, but it's a bit discouraging that I'll have to wait 2 years to get a faster phone when this one has capable hardware being held back by them.
Sorry for the rant. Basically, I'm anxiously awaiting the day when I can cut the bloat and let this thing fly. Keep up the awesome work, and I'll keep reading until I get all the pieces together.
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The captivate doesn't do 4g..the guy just has a theme that changed his icon to show 4g when he still has 3g. And neither phone has the hardware to run 4g.
At&t has **** for service...hence the REAL reason iPhone is with vzw now. I will never pay for at&t again.
I've been trying to Google this and got no results. All the youtubers I asked and all the Google searches I did and I got the same result. The cdma e3d is for the USA and gsm is for the rest of the world...ARRRR! I ALREADY KNOW THAT!
So can someone please explain the internal differences between the cdma and gsm 3d and why can't gsm users flash cdma Roms (if the radio remains untouched). I'm sure I'm not the only 1 wondering why the cdma EVO 3s gets so many more roms than gsm users.
Please don't flame at me if this question has been asked elsewhere.
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I was also searching for this and already found out that its kernel related because it has some other drivers and stuff running to maintain the cdma network.
Theres kernel and framework differences. Even if you were to extract a gsm kernel, and put it into a cdma.rom, it still wouldn't work properly. I've looked at the frameworks for both phones, and there was a lot more differences in the code than I had previously anticipated.
The reason there are more cdma roms, is simply because there are more devs/chefs/tweakers that use/have cdma phones.
Also many old & new developers for the CDMA EVO 3D came from the EVO 4G, which had a huge following on the same carrier.
It was like a migration of birds.
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Also many old & new developers for the CDMA EVO 3D came from the EVO 4G, which had a huge following on the same carrier.
It was like a migration of birds.
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Ah, that explains it. I was wondering why there is so much more development going on for the CDMA E3D than the GSM, seeing as how Sprint is the only carrier using the CDMA. Stupid, multiple standards!
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Ah, that explains it. I was wondering why there is so much more development going on for the CDMA E3D than the GSM, seeing as how Sprint is the only carrier using the CDMA. Stupid, multiple standards!
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Wrong.
Verizon and U.S Cellular both use CDMA.
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Also many old & new developers for the CDMA EVO 3D came from the EVO 4G, which had a huge following on the same carrier.
It was like a migration of birds.
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Migrate??? More like ransacked. This forum was full before the phone even came out lmao.
Coffee and Hip-Hop!!!
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Wrong.
Verizon and U.S Cellular both use CDMA.
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Cricket, Metropcs as well.
knowledge561 said:
Migrate??? More like ransacked. This forum was full before the phone even came out lmao.
Coffee and Hip-Hop!!!
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EL-OH-EL...
..thanks...hahaha, that was great.
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Wrong.
Verizon and U.S Cellular both use CDMA.
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But do Verizon, US Cellular, or MetroPCS offer the EVO 3D? That's what we're talking about here, the EVO 3D.
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Theres kernel and framework differences. Even if you were to extract a gsm kernel, and put it into a cdma.rom, it still wouldn't work properly. I've looked at the frameworks for both phones, and there was a lot more differences in the code than I had previously anticipated.
The reason there are more cdma roms, is simply because there are more devs/chefs/tweakers that use/have cdma phones.
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Thank you soooooooo much for that (ill make sure I whack the that thank button when I get on a computer. I was thinking something to do with kernel and framework but I never had time to check.
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I stand by my comment about stupid multiple standards. Get with the rest of the world, U.S. carriers! Stop being different just for the sake of being different.
Now, not knowing anything at all about ROM cooking, will it ever be possible that ROMs for the E3D may be able to support both CDMA and GSM, or is there no way to code that kind of logic?
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I stand by my comment about stupid multiple standards. Get with the rest of the world, U.S. carriers! Stop being different just for the sake of being different.
Now, not knowing anything at all about ROM cooking, will it ever be possible that ROMs for the E3D may be able to support both CDMA and GSM, or is there no way to code that kind of logic?
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Well kinda. It's not hard to write the ROM for the gsm EVO if you made a ROM for the cdma 1. But It's hard because It's gonna require testing on a device which the cdma dev does not have.
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Can all Verizon LTE devices do data and voice over 3g?
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Yes
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Actually, IIRC, only HTC devices at this point have two radios that can do simultaneous voice and data. Even then, the voice is being transmitted on the CDMA1x network and data on EVDO.
Thanks for the quick response
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Actually, IIRC, only HTC devices at this point have two radios that can do simultaneous voice and data. Even then, the voice is being transmitted on the CDMA1x network and data on EVDO.
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I tested this last night while in a 3g only area, and you can indeed use data while on the phone in a 3G area with this phone. IIRC the thunderbolt is capable of this as well.
4G can do silmultaineous data/voice.
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Incorrect, I believe the motorola devices cannot. Anandtech's review on the thunderbolt goes over the MANY modems the thunderbolt has.
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Incorrect, I believe the motorola devices cannot. Anandtech's review on the thunderbolt goes over the MANY modems the thunderbolt has.
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correct. 10char
Qualcomm FTW
Only LTE devices equipped with the a Qualcomm SoC (such as the Rezound & Thunderbolt) have the ability to simultaneous voice and data.
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Only LTE devices equipped with the a Qualcomm SoC (such as the Rezound & Thunderbolt) have the ability to simultaneous voice and data.
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But doesn't the IPhone do it as well? Or is that AT&T I'm thinking about? Either man that's a cool feature. Something I'd use pretty often
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Incorrect, I believe the motorola devices cannot. Anandtech's review on the thunderbolt goes over the MANY modems the thunderbolt has.
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Sorry , did not think about mototrash phones,never have used them,only HTC.
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But doesn't the IPhone do it as well? Or is that AT&T I'm thinking about? Either man that's a cool feature. Something I'd use pretty often
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It is only on AT&T. They used to have the commercial about talking and surfing on iphone where the guy forgets his anniversary and makes a reservation while talking with his wife.
Only ATT allows it for the iphone.. but ATT is definitely not the only carrier that allows this like they claimed in their commercials. Probably why you don't see those anymore lol. GET SUED!!!! haha
I've been a verizon customer for a day, came from CSpires mess and haven't looked back. Love my actual 3G speeds and the latest and greatest phones. I don't live in a 4G area but new Orleans and mobile are 1.5 hours away. Excited to see what this thing can do on 4g
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The quick answer is yes. The Thunderbolt and Rezound can do voice/data over 3G.
The long answer is no. The Thunderbolt and Rezound technically do data over 3G and voice over 1X on a separate radio.
LTE is a data-only protocol for now and voice is done over either 1X (in HTC's case) or eHRPD (in all other LTE phone's case)
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It is only on AT&T. They used to have the commercial about talking and surfing on iphone where the guy forgets his anniversary and makes a reservation while talking with his wife.
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Men.
My thunderbolt can use data and voice over 3g but my girlfriend LG revolution can not use data and voice over 3g only 4g.
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Just got 4g LTE in our area few days ago, and let me tell you you'll love it.
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Incorrect, I believe the motorola devices cannot. Anandtech's review on the thunderbolt goes over the MANY modems the thunderbolt has.
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They can't. My droid x couldn't do it over 3g. Only the thunderbolt and rezound can do it on Verizon.
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.....So, the LG Viper does SVDO (Simultaneous 1X/3G voice/data) and according to reports, the EVO LTE also supports this. How great would it be if this phone, like the LG Viper, had it working out of box?!
Even more of a reason that I'm getting one.
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.....So, the LG Viper does SVDO (Simultaneous 1X/3G voice/data) and according to reports, the EVO LTE also supports this. How great would it be if this phone, like the LG Viper, had it working out of box?!
Even more of a reason that I'm getting one.
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Links to these reports bud?
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I didn't think CDMA could handle this. Would be great and cut down on my wish for GSM but still. LTE will allow this anyways from what I remember.
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I didn't think CDMA could handle this. Would be great and cut down on my wish for GSM but still. LTE will allow this anyways from what I remember.
Will
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I didn't realize people didn't know this yet. If you read the FCC docs posted last month the lab tests showed it. It's not so much a CDMA thing as it is a phone/hardware thing. You can Google it to find out more. And correct you can do simultaneous voice/data with LTE the same way you could with WiMAX or WiFi.
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But he is talking about doing a voice call and 3g at the same time if I am correct....
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But he is talking about doing a voice call and 3g at the same time if I am correct....
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Yes, sorry if my post is confusing. It's responding to two parts of the same comment.
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Here http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/entry-159-htc-evo-4g-lte-tech-details-revealed-in-fcc-oet-filing/
That is game changing if it works...
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I didn't think CDMA could handle this. Would be great and cut down on my wish for GSM but still. LTE will allow this anyways from what I remember.
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The HTC Thunderbolt on Verizon has been able to do this for a while now, but only in select cities that had their towers upgraded to support it.
Yeah, I know the phone supports it, lets just hope sprint allows it!!
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That is game changing if it works...
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Exactly, I just hope Sprint is very bullish with OEMs making their phones SVDO capable. They will have two phones with Viper and Evo 4G LTE. Hopefully all of their LTE phones going forward will be both SVDO and SVLTE capable. AT&T will no longer be able to run those commercials bragging about using data while on a phone call.
Btw glad to see you here.
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Yeah, I know the phone supports it, lets just hope sprint allows it!!
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Well as stated the LG Viper supports it as well. SVDO isn't really new, it's just now being implimented in our phones. So it's safe to say that Sprint is allowing for it since they had the OEM include it as well as it was tested in the lab.
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Exactly, I just hope Sprint is very bullish with OEMs making their phones SVDO capable. They will have two phones with Viper and Evo 4G LTE. Hopefully all of their LTE phones going forward will be both SVDO and SVLTE capable. AT&T will no longer be able to run those commercials bragging about using data while on a phone call.
Btw glad to see you here.
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Well as stated the LG Viper supports it as well. SVDO isn't really new, it's just now being implimented in our phones. So it's safe to say that Sprint is allowing for it since they had the OEM include it as well as it was tested in the lab.
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I think I've been hoping for SVDO just as long as I've been hoping for EVDO-Rev B. And this was pre-EVO.
That's one down, the other may never happen, which is ok.
This would be an awesome feature, not that I would use it all the time but have at least wanted it for years.
Finally! Now I can actually talk on bluetooth while using my phone at the same time. Before I had to use that ****ty company issued T-Mobile MiFi...
This may sounds really ignorant, but why would this be beneficial? I've never yearned for this feature, and now I can't think of a time I'd need it honestly. Examples?
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This may sounds really ignorant, but why would this be beneficial? I've never yearned for this feature, and now I can't think of a time I'd need it honestly. Examples?
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If you're in an hour long call while on a bus/car/train or whatever, and you're using a bluetooth headset or earpiece, this is VERY useful. I travel a lot so I find myself in this situation a lot.
And it's good for pretty much just about any bluetooth situation. If you're talking and want to use the internet on your phone, you're ****ed.
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If you're in an hour long call while on a bus/car/train or whatever, and you're using a bluetooth headset or earpiece, this is VERY useful. I travel a lot so I find myself in this situation a lot.
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I guess I don't find myself in many hour long calls, which is why I didn't think of this. Thank you though!
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I guess I don't find myself in many hour long calls, which is why I didn't think of this. Thank you though!
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Yeah, they don't have to be that long, it's just if you're trying to have a convo on the phone and want to use 3G, it's good.
I guess it doesn't appeal to that many people, but it's still a great feature to have nonetheless
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Yeah, they don't have to be that long, it's just if you're trying to have a convo on the phone and want to use 3G, it's good.
I guess it doesn't appeal to that many people, but it's still a great feature to have nonetheless
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Hey, I'm all for extra features! Some things I may never have used (due to an inability to do so) may now begin to be used by me since I'll have the ability.
PsiPhiDan said:
Hey, I'm all for extra features! Some things I may never have used (due to an inability to do so) may now begin to be used by me since I'll have the ability.
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Same thing happened to me with AOSP --> Sense ROMs. When I first got my Evo 3D, I loaded an AOSP ROM and 4G was broken. I never really knew much about 4G since I never (literally never) used it before. After switching back to Sense with working 4G and trying it out, although spotty, now I can't live without it
I was wondering if 4g lte was functioning correctly on the international base or if the verizon base makes the "LTE" work better?...my reason for asking is LTE is a verizon thing and is suppose to be better than standard 4g... some roms seem to connect better than others but where I live it is strictly 4g and very seldom do I go to 3g...is there a difference in rom bases that would effect the LTE?...or anything else that may make a better 4g connection or difference?
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I think it depends more on which radio baseband u r using.....
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I was wondering if 4g lte was functioning correctly on the international base or if the verizon base makes the "LTE" work better?...my reason for asking is LTE is a verizon thing and is suppose to be better than standard 4g... some roms seem to connect better than others but where I live it is strictly 4g and very seldom do I go to 3g...is there a difference in rom bases that would effect the LTE?...or anything else that may make a better 4g connection or difference?
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JRBXX7 is correct, it really depends on what radio you are on. In AOSP there is a difference in the way service show, there are fewer bars as compared to TW, but the service is still the same.
If you have problems try updating to the newest radio and if you have already updated roll back to the radio you were on. Its really best to test each radio and figure out which is best for you, your phone, and your area. Each phone is a little different and that can change a lot of things that will be fine on other peoples.
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Thanks...I was wondering since LTE was such a secret if just the verizon base has all the stuff needed to work on LTE properly
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