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I have a 64 gb microsd card for media. Diceplayer plays HD files beautifully on my evo3D across HDMI. The one setback is that FAT32 limits files to a 4GB limit.
Under any of the existing ROM's - is it possible to have our memory card formatted NTFS or EXFAT and have everything work?
I know it's possible in general - because many tablets have that capability. My cheap Arm8 based tablet (Ainol Novo7 Advanced) can handle NTFS or EXFAT formats for both the memory card, or USB host.
Is it possible for the Evo3D to handle these formats, now or in the future?
Since when E3D supports SDXC standard?
Terepin said:
Since when E3D supports SDXC standard?
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The Evo 3D can read those 64gb sdxc cards if you format them fat32
SteelH said:
The Evo 3D can read those 64gb sdxc cards if you format them fat32
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Exactly. It's a little tricky - because at first the phone reports the card as damaged. Which lead me to believe it would be incompatible. But with a little persistence, the phone will format the card fat32 (it arrives exfat).
Since then, I've been happily using the card for 2 weeks with no issues. I reported more detail in the accessory forum - but the write speed wasn't quite up to class 6 for mine, I measured around 5.5 megs/sec. But others have reported very high read speeds instead.
I did a quick search and it seems NTSF or exFAT support exists in Honeycomb (Android 3.X). I'm pretty sure that is cannot be done in Gingerbread or less (Android 2.3 or less). Maybe since ICS is a merge of Honeycomb and Gingerbread, the ICS Kernel supports this. Try out a ICS rom with the card formatted NTSF and see if it works.
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I did a quick search and it seems NTSF or exFAT support exists in Honeycomb (Android 3.X). I'm pretty sure that is cannot be done in Gingerbread or less (Android 2.3 or less). Maybe since ICS is a merge of Honeycomb and Gingerbread, the ICS Kernel supports this. Try out a ICS rom with the card formatted NTSF and see if it works.
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Actually - your information is mistaken. My Ainol Novo 7 Android tablet runs Gingerbread. Right now - it's memory card is formatted exfat, and I regularly use an NTFS drive via usb host.
Anyone get this to work on the Evo 3D?
P0ll0L0c0 said:
Actually - your information is mistaken. My Ainol Novo 7 Android tablet runs Gingerbread. Right now - it's memory card is formatted exfat, and I regularly use an NTFS drive via usb host.
Anyone get this to work on the Evo 3D?
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I cannot find any evidence of an Android phone with ntfs support. Android 3.x kernel can do it and some Chinese tablets with gingerbread can as you have said. The Chinese tabs can due to the developers inserting some binaries into their kernel. However, I've not seen any example of this working for an Android phone. I did see that there may be a connection to USB host and ntfs support. Maybe try a kernel that has USB host active like Goodman's and see if it works.
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I cannot find any evidence of an Android phone with ntfs support. Android 3.x kernel can do it and some Chinese tablets with gingerbread can as you have said. The Chinese tabs can due to the developers inserting some binaries into their kernel. However, I've not seen any example of this working for an Android phone. I did see that there may be a connection to USB host and ntfs support. Maybe try a kernel that has USB host active like Goodman's and see if it works.
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I'd be happy to try it (probably this weekend) but I've read that not everyone has been able to get USB host to work even with the ideal ROM and Kernel. Do you have a link to the right ROM and Kernel I should try?
my kernel supports NTFS, and will see a NTFS 1TB usb drive...
..............this did require rom support as well...
Formatting SD card with NTFS, that's just... Wrong.
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Terepin said:
Formatting SD card with NTFS, that's just... Wrong.
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don't mind terepin he is a very known troll...
chad.goodman said:
my kernel supports NTFS, and will see a NTFS 1TB usb drive...
..............this did require rom support as well...
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Great! Can you give me a link to the ROM you're using?
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my kernel supports NTFS, and will see a NTFS 1TB usb drive...
..............this did require rom support as well...
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Hey Chad, is this related to USB host? I saw some stuff out there that seem to connect the two.
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don't mind terepin he is a very known troll...
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Prove me I'm wrong.
I've been utterly unable to get this to work. Last night I flashed Olympus ROM - with the kernel it came with. I couldn't get USB host to work, and formatting the memory card anything but fat32 did not work.
Tonight - I flashed Chad Goodman's kernel, and it didn't work either for usb host, exfat or ntfs support.
Oh well - I'll keep trying. If anyone can tell me what the best ROM/kernel combination for trying this is - I'd really appreciate it.
Well - after a couple of days of flashing, I can't get USB host to work at all, nor alternate formats from a microSD card.
Though I guess it's possible that my coming from hboot1.5 is a factor, it seems my hardware revision might be a factor? I've seen one other person report a lack of success with a hardware rev of 0002.
Besides that - I'm a little surprised that my NTFS microsd card wasn't supported, seeing as how chad.goodman's kernel is supposed to enable that. Perhaps it only works via USB.
What would posses anyone to want NTFS on Android???
NTFS is really not the best option in FS out there, EXT security and file handling kicks NTFS 10 to 1 any day. Trust me, placing NTFS on a Linux system will make your system slower and full of issues because of the backward compatibility processing.
megabiteg said:
What would posses anyone to want NTFS on Android???
NTFS is really not the best option in FS out there, EXT security and file handling kicks NTFS 10 to 1 any day. Trust me, placing NTFS on a Linux system will make your system slower and full of issues because of the backward compatibility processing.
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It's about handling files larger than 4gb, which you can do with NTFS.
NTFS wasn't meant for Flash memories. exFat was.
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It's about handling files larger than 4gb, which you can do with NTFS.
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Exactly, our Evo 3D is capable of playing 1080P files - but most HD movie files are above 4GB.
I realize EXFAT would be superior - but that's not compatible either right now. That's disappointing because like I'd mentioned - my cheap Chinese tablet handles both formats with gingerbread.
I only tried NTFS because Chad.Goodman reported it as compatible on this thread.
I saw a lot of videos on the internet talking about the SGS III's ability for OTG USB connections and I decided to try them out. While I was able to run a PSX Controller, a wireless keyboard and a mousewith the cable, I was able to get it to detect only a 4 GB pendrive and only in FAT32 format. It outright refused to detect my HDD of 160GB and 500GB {both NTFS} or my 8GB microSD card which I put in through a card reader. Now, most sites I've seen using the OTG feature use the 2nd cable I've posted as an attachment. I know this is an absurd longshot, but is there anyway that my using the cable in the 1st attachment instead of the second a reason for why it isn't working for me? If not, what am I doing wrong?
No, the cable is just fine if it works for some devices. Most generic ones just work fine.
The actual reasons are multiple:
NTFS is not supported by the stock kernel. Flash e.g. the aftermarket Siyahkernel to use the devices
Card readers need drivers, they are not "real" mass storage devices. I'm not sure if and which drivers are included in the kernel.
USB 2.5" HDD's without external power supplies need a HUGE amount of power, often even above the specified 500mAh. I don't think the S3 can provide that much power and you may damage it trying or even if it works (Altough I think it has a limiter, but better safe than sorry)
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No, the cable is just fine if it works for some devices. Most generic ones just work fine.
The actual reasons are multiple:
NTFS is not supported by the stock kernel. Flash e.g. the aftermarket Siyahkernel to use the devices
Card readers need drivers, they are not "real" mass storage devices. I'm not sure if and which drivers are included in the kernel.
USB 2.5" HDD's without external power supplies need a HUGE amount of power, often even above the specified 500mAh. I don't think the S3 can provide that much power and you may damage it trying or even if it works (Altough I think it has a limiter, but better safe than sorry)
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Thank God. I thought I screwed up the device somehow. I understand. I merely wanted to see whether or not I have support. I highly doubt I'll do anything beyond actually playing using the PSX Controller, but I wanted to know how far it can go. Just one more question. Flashing an aftermarket kernel means data loss right?
Depends. You usually have (or at least are strongly recommended to) factory-reset the device due to the low-level changes between the ROM's which can and will cause issues.
However that is not really an issue;
Just copy your whole internal sdcard (/mnt/sdcard) to an USB stick and do the same with your Apps through Titanium Backup.
Then restore both again after having flashed the custom ROM and you're up and running without data loss.
You'll need root for Titanium Backup tough, just flash Siyahkernel or CF-Root through Odin to gain the privilege.
I'm wondering if any ROM or Kernel developers have the UDF filesystem on their radar yet?
With larger sized SD-Card support and of course USB OTG support for USB sticks, hard drives etc, the quest for an optimal file system comes back to haunt us. There has always been a problem with external storage for cross platform users. Finding a file system that meets all the following criteria is very difficult as a good file system must:
- Be supported natively by all Operating Systems you use
IE. Windows, Mac, Linux and now Android
- Support large partition sizes
- Support large file sizes ( larger than 4GB files aren't so uncommon anymore which puts FAT out of the running)
Recently I came across the suggestion to use UDF as it meets all the above criteria. (see http://tanguy.ortolo.eu/blog/article93/usb-udf for an example)
I tested this idea with a USB stick and sure enough it was plug-n-play on Windows and Linux (and I assume Mac) but I was disappointed when I plugged it into my phone and tablet using USB OTG and USB.
I don't think there's any technical reason Android can't support UDF, rather no one has really thought to build the module and tools into their ROM or Kernel package.
I'd like to suggest that UDF be added as a standard module for ROM builders, along with NTFS, exFAT, ext 2/3 etc.as it would really give Android device customizers another really useful capability not available elsewhere. I'm especially thinking of people that carry around a lot of files on one USB stick that they use on multiple platforms. Like sysadmins, Movie buffs, business travelers, etc.
Ahead of Your Time
What a great idea! After several hours of my own research, I came across your post and cast a vote in the "definitely yes" category . . . then I noticed your posting date!
Here's hoping you get a stampede of support in the coming months . . .
From Cowtown . . .
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=152827
Feature request
Hi,
does anyone know which file systems are supported by the OTG feature? Am able to read/write just fine on a FAT32 USB stick, but an external HDD that is allegedly formatted with NTFS isn't recognized. I thought I read somehwere that NTFS is supported on most newer devices... I'd assume the Z3TC qualifies as "newer"
i at least can confirm that exfat is working. so large files may be stored on it. ext3 is not. haven't tried anything else yet. i never use ntfs for anything. this fs is too bad.
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i never use ntfs for anything. this fs is too bad.
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How did you get this conclusion about NTFS?
If you just mean that NTFS is not optimised for USB flash disks, then I agree.
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How did you get this conclusion about NTFS?
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20 years of experience and knowledge.
If you just mean that NTFS is not optimised for USB flash disks, then I agree.
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no. it's at the bottom end of modern filesystems if not the worst. ntfs is broken by so many ways... and its performance sucks too.
microsoft pumped also full with features that actually never were really used but caused various problems and security isses so they had to disable them, while actually they only removed the tools to access them (well, maybe meanwhile they removed some of them). one of the most stupid, broken and security-wise dangerous "features" were the filechannels, which actually ended in the space of unneeded bull****.
but ntfs disaster is nothing uncommon, it's like everything MS produced (where most top products actually were bought from others and "enhanced" by microsoft).
but we are getting oftopic. sorry.
It is very strange; the same hard disk worked fine on my Nexus 7 with StickMount. Not sure if the software that comes with the Z3 is the problem - but of course the Z3TC is not rooted (yet), so StickMount is not currently an option.
Sony Xperia Z3 USB OTG
I can confirm that with the Nexus Media Importer app, the Sony Xperia Z3 (the smartphone) can read & write to NTFS file systems. I have a USB OTG "Y" cable (a female micro USB port for extra power). Without the paid app though, the Z3 can only read exFAT and FAT32 file systems, stating the NTFS as an "unsupported file system". As an added bonus, the smartphone is able to charge itself if you charge it by the magnetic port! I have a Deff magnectic adapter. Another device that can power an external USB OTG device while charging itself is my Google Nexus 5 with a special USB OTG "Y" adapter.
thanks for the info charging via magnetic while having OTG connected!
size of your HD
Hi anyone of here.what's the size of your hard drive and the brand? I have a seagate 500gb and would like to upgrade to 2tbm seagate backup plus and i wonder if this would work without external power suppor. My 500gb seagate works fine without any external support. Also my Z3 phone can load the 500gb hard drive without issues. I just want to know before ordering the hard drive. I would be using this to watch movies while traveling so a hard drive should be able to load with no need for external support,
Size doesn't matter...in general
It solely depends on the power consumption of the HDD which is not (necessarily) dependent on it's size. Most important is the current your drive needs to spin up when the device is turned on. You probably won't find the current requirement on the HDD itself - only the current needed when running. Spin up power may be higher and if it's too high, your USB-SATA will probably not "light up" at all or constantly restart.
Short: Try to find Datasheets for your old and new HDD and compare spin up current if available or continue to hope for someone having tried the same HDD.
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Size doesn't matter...in general
It solely depends on the power consumption of the HDD which is not (necessarily) dependent on it's size. Most important is the current your drive needs to spin up when the device is turned on. You probably won't find the current requirement on the HDD itself - only the current needed when running. Spin up power may be higher and if it's too high, your USB-SATA will probably not "light up" at all or constantly restart.
Short: Try to find Datasheets for your old and new HDD and compare spin up current if available or continue to hope for someone having tried the same HDD.
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Quick update ; bought 1.5tb because it was on sale and both z3 tab and z3 powering it with no problems
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20 years of experience and knowledge.
no. it's at the bottom end of modern filesystems if not the worst. ntfs is broken by so many ways... and its performance sucks too.
microsoft pumped also full with features that actually never were really used but caused various problems and security isses so they had to disable them, while actually they only removed the tools to access them (well, maybe meanwhile they removed some of them). one of the most stupid, broken and security-wise dangerous "features" were the filechannels, which actually ended in the space of unneeded bull****.
but ntfs disaster is nothing uncommon, it's like everything MS produced (where most top products actually were bought from others and "enhanced" by microsoft).
but we are getting oftopic. sorry.
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So if NTFS is that bad, what do you use and why?
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I've Googled the hell out of this, tried everything that was posted and it didn't work....
My 3 tablets (Xperia Z2, Note 12.2, LG G Pad 8.3) currently all have a 64GB MicroSDX card, but the tablet I have in my bag with me at all times is the Xperia Z2 runing 4.4.4 and it’s rooted. Here's my issue....my Camera has a 64GB SD Card and the Camera has both WiFi and NFC for easy transfer, but when I'm out and I don't want to drain the Camera battery, I want to take the card out and use my OTG-Cable which has a Card Reader built in and plug it into my Tablet USB Port. The SD card is formatted EXFAT, and my tablet will NOT mount it. So, I formatted the card using a 3rd party Partition Manager to Fat32 (yes, you can format a 64GB card to Fat32), yet my tablets (I tried it on all 3 tablets in my house, one running Android 4.4.4, one running 4.4.4, and one running 4.4.2) will still not recognize it. HOWEVER, my phone running 4.4.4 DOES recognize the card when it's attached via the OTG cable. What am I missing here? Ultimately, I'd like to stay with the EXFAT format because it removes the 4GB File Size limitation (especially if I shoot HD Video). Any ideas? Wireless Transfer from Camera to tablet sucks through battery life, I’m trying to avoid that, and I'm not always at home where I can simply plug the card into my Laptop Card Reader. This is especially important since I’m visiting my dad in Europe this summer and don’t want to lug my laptop with me.
Format the card in the Z2, which automatically formats in ex-FAT.
Try some of the different free 3rd party apps that let you mount usb otg devices from the market. I had this issue with a tablet a couple of years ago and the forth one I tried worked when nothing else did. Sorry I can't remember which app, but different devices will work with different apps anyway.
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Format the card in the Z2, which automatically formats in ex-FAT.
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Can't. The card is a SD card, not a Micro SD. I formatted it in my Computer into EXFat and also in my Camera. Both format it to EXFat, unless I use the third-party partitioning tool to format it into Fat32.
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Try some of the different free 3rd party apps that let you mount usb otg devices from the market. I had this issue with a tablet a couple of years ago and the forth one I tried worked when nothing else did. Sorry I can't remember which app, but different devices will work with different apps anyway.
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I tried 4 different apps, none worked.
Oops, overlooked that you are using an SD Card.
There is nothing that will work universally, to my knowledge.
Very frustrating, I know. But all those wonderful promises of technology are just that: promises, not guarantees.
I think I may have to use the 64GB card that's in my tablet and use it with an adapter in my Camera, and then just put the card into the Tablet to off-load some pictures. Seems like the path of least resistance, and once they're on the tablet and I've edited them, I can upload them to my G+ account, wipe the card and start all over. It's a hassle but it seems like the best way. Short of buying a Surface Pro at least, or taking my Laptop with me-which is not an option.
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