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Here's what I've noticed and actually checked into the last couple of days. Some fonts look amazing or shall I say look normal. Some font's however don't look as normal and actually show the jagged edges that some complain of. A specific font choice with a smaller font size will yield a kinda jagged appearance and obviously some will see it and some won't depending on the apps they use.
It may be worth it to experiment and determine which fonts we would eventually like to incorporate into roms and mods.
For example, if you enable the 4x1 beautiful weather in Beautiful Widgets you'll see the temp fonts look rather jagged. If you happen to use Audio Manager you will notice the font is even smaller than the BW fonts but look much better. Mobile Signal Widget has the worst example of what's on my device. The signal strength font looks horrible.
The screen in amazing, the colors are superb and for the most part it's super sharp. We should help it along as much as we can.
Someone on another forum pointed out the red text in the Youtube app, that looks bad.
For the most part, for what I use on a daily basis, I have no complaints.
Ya, 98% is perfect, its only those certain situations, that's why I think they could be easily avoided.
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I'm using the Robo-ICS font for a while now and also applied it to the Razr right after rooting it. I'm pretty much satisfied with it. It will however not solve the issue with red graphics/letters, because especially with red, the typical pentile effects are more visible than in any other situation.
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I'm using the Robo-ICS font for a while now and also applied it to the Razr right after rooting it. I'm pretty much satisfied with it. It will however not solve the issue with red graphics/letters, because especially with red, the typical pen tile effects are more visible than in any other situation.
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Your right. Roboto looks fantastic.
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Are you guys using Font Installer? It sure threw my phone into a bogged down mess. Had to reboot twice after the font install to get it back to normal. Sent the battery temp up to 37c very quickly.
It may not be for everyone but the Droid font looks really sharp as well. Especially the smaller text.
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Are you guys using Font Installer? It sure threw my phone into a bogged down mess. Had to reboot twice after the font install to get it back to normal. Sent the battery temp up to 37c very quickly.
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I used ROM Toolbox to install roboto and it worked perfectly.
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where cacn i get the roboto font?
ya that's the same app by the same dev with more features added. Trying it anyway though, thanks.
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where cacn i get the roboto font?
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Make sure you're rooted and install Font Installer or ROM Toolbox, or whatever else. They have it pre-installed.
I just installed it. It did reboot on me 1 time. Now it seems OK. Thanks for the heads up on this. Very nice and clean look.
Just installed the roboto font and it does look slightly better. I'm just glad to have at least a little bit of ability to customize. I really miss my X for that reason. But, on the up side, my wife loves it! I Gabe it to her
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Hey anyone know the exact name of the stock font?
Does anyone know what the name of the font for the clock on the lock screen of the droid razr is called? I've searched every droid forum I could and I can't for the life of me figure it out, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Does anyone know what the name of the font for the clock on the lock screen of the droid razr is called? I've searched every droid forum I could and I can't for the life of me figure it out, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Bump... Need this too... I need t to create a duplicate lockscreen for MIUI. Need help and it will be greatly appreciated.
Started along my Android journey 2 weeks ago by selling my.iPhone 4 and buying a Motorola milestone 2 phone and now a HTC flyer 3g.
sorta got used to the hardware buttons on the flyer. will HC remove their functionality completely or is it likely to come back at some stage? does anyone know why they have been removed?
thanks
Hardware buttons are not able to be used in hc by Google's design. Will have to stick with GB or wait till ICS if you want them back.
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thanks for the answer. what noticeable benefits with HC? I I might stay with GB as I really like the hardware buttons
Just flashed hc and really like so far, the os is much better for tablets, can also use the pen everywhere!
There is a bottom bar instead of hw buttons, and this is fine in portrait mode (which is best for flyer generally), but is more noticable in landscape. I haven't watched any vids yet to know how it affects those
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Not likely they will be back in HC since they are redundant with the on screen system bar which cannot be removed. Use it for a few days and you will forget the hard buttons were even there.
Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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Hardware buttons are removed from Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) as well so I doubt they will be back. Not sure if it is possible for a Developer to make them work on a custom ROM or not. I have been trying ICS on my Evo and my buttons work.
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I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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I'm pretty sure that if the hardware buttons are on the device they will be used in ICS instead of the on screen buttons. Why waste screen space with the on screen buttons when you have them built in?
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I guess what I meant to say was they are starting to move away from hardware buttons altogether.
I think ICS has built-in calls to hide the soft-buttons, HC does not. You won;t be seeing a full working ICS for the Flyer anytime soon though. Not until HTC releases a working ROM or a ICS on a HTC device that is close enough to port.
If HC on the Flyer does not use the capacitive buttons, it is not worth it for me losing about 10% of the display in landscape mode. I will not update and thanks for letting me know! Flyer works great already and a 7" tablet IMO is small enough without losing space.
As far as ICS, it has already been pointed out that OEMs can choose to use the capacitive buttons, if a device has them. Imagine the uproar from people with small phone displays if losing space to a nav bar.
Nexus does this, but has a bigger display, so the actual usable display size minus the fixed nav bar is a tad under 4.3". The buttons are only hidden in ICS during some types of video playback, but apparently nothing else. The bar is always there- just like HC.
Added: Since capacitive buttons can be used, I would expect them to be around longer, since cheaper to put capacitive buttons, rather than bigger displays: Also better on battery life.
You do not have to lose the space and get much more back in return
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
Your not missing anything people are making something out of nearly nothing and are ignoring the drastic user interface improvements. The only time I use honeybar to remove honeycomb bar is if watching videos. Now if I wanted to use my flyer as a phone. That is a different story
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Not seeing how it is something out of nothing, since you lose more than 10% of display space in landscape mode- it is taken by the nav bar. The same one on my Thrive, except it is a 10" display, so not as bad.
Before updating, check out the Acer 7" and see if you like it. I found it cramp and appreciate the extra display space on the Flyer with GB. ICS can use the capacitive buttons and not use the nav bar, but HC can not.
All up to choice. I choose to not have a smaller display on an already small 7" tablet, since the Flyer already has nav buttons. Eveybody else can knock themselves out and enjoy HC Added: As far as rooting to get a work around, my Flyer works great as is, so not risking the root process- Flyer rocks.
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I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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I wish that were the case than you are right- no problem. Thing is the bars in GB go away when playing a game, surfing (if you choose to) or watching a movie. The bar does NOT go away with HC. The buttons darken, but the big bar is still there and over 10% of the display is gone for good.
Incorrect if you use honeybar
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NookFan said:
I'm trying to understand the negative view on the Honeycomb bar. It replaces the system bar, which we have at the top of the screen now, so we don't loose much, right? Perhaps a few more pixels, but...that's it, right?
I do like the hardware buttons, but its not like we're going from no status bar to a huge one; we're going from a smaller one to a slightly larger one with more functionality.
Or am I missing something?
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This is the reason..
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Incorrect if you use honeybar
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But need to be rooted to use it. If simple like the Incredible, Droid 3 and Razr, no problem, but the process seems too risky when the Flyer already performs great for me. No need to rock the boat and no need to lose display space to a nav bar.
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I guess when full-screen is no longer really full-screen, I get it. Thanks for the info. I am looking forward to Honeycomb, though...
I might as well whine in here too....
I really really really want at least one hardware (physical) button on the front of device. I don't get it why all manufacturers decided that there is no real need for it. Take the damn ipad for example: that thing is easy to turn on with the front button. I used to have old android phone with Green and Red phone buttons and it was so comfortable to turn on the phone using them. When I upgraded to Galaxy S, man I have missed those... got used to power button with time because device is small. With flyer and other tablets it is a bit different story. It lays on my desk and I have to use two hands to turn on the damn thing. One hand to hold the device, another to push the power button. It is a small thing, but it is quite uncomfortable.
Back to the topic... For those in doubt.. HC upgrade is worth it. You're not loosing much, but overall HC is better IMHO.
Does anybody know a good task manager/killer for HC that maybe integrates with multitasking preview (I know that I'm not supposed to use it... blah...blah...blah...)?
You can use any of the 10 or so task killers on the market, they will all work just as poorly as any for HC. As you have pointed out, not needed and will adversely affect your performance / battery if you try to automate it.
If your device is on the desk, plugged in, just set the display to never time out and you never need to turn it back on....
I have been using the same rom since the day I received my Galaxy Note so I am used to it by now since I have been using it for over four months. I even flashed a couple other Gingerbread roms which were nice but I came back to the Solaris Prime rom qickly after flashing. After waiting since the first ICS leak I got bored and flased a custom ICS rom with the intention of playing with it for a while then flashing back to Gingerbread. The screen was bright on every Gingerbread rom I flashed, but on the ICS rom I flashed it was nowhere near as bright. I always use full brightness and never use auto adjust which is what I set it to on the ICS rom. This is the ICS rom I tried out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1686320 Now my question is, has anyone else noticed this or is it maybe only a problem with this rom? Are ICS roms not as bright as Gingerbread roms cause I need the screen to be very bright? I noticed the brightness was very dim compared to Gingerbread roms I have used within five seconds of setting the brightness to full and turning off auto adjust. If all the ICS roms are like this I think I will stay with Gingerbread cause this is a deal breaker for me.
EDIT: I figured it out. It is the Auto Adjust Screen Power setting, when checked the screen becomes dim when unchecked the screen is vived and bright. I guess this setting is not in all roms.
Hard to compare since I can only load one ROM at a time. But I never noticed the difference in brightness. I leave mine turned up also as I am frequently outside with my work and play. The 15 toggle mod is not somehow overiding your brightness setting in ICS?
I believe I have noticed the same issue. I thought maybe it was just me, but apparently I am not the only one. I am rooted and running BlackStar rom right now, and I can compare it side by side with my girlfriends stock unrooted note and hers seems noticeably brighter. But even that I chalked up to her not having a screen protector and me having one. But I wouldn't think the screen protector would inhibit the brightness much if at all.
I also have gotten to the point of using full brightness, becuase auto brightness is unusable at times, even indoors.
Are we the only 2? LOL. I have noticed another issue with the backlight today. The screen seemed dim, but every once in a while would get bright for like half a second then go back to dim. I have it set to full brightness, but I tried covering the sensor, or at least what I think is the sensor(gonna have to google that) and it didn't change anything.
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I believe I have noticed the same issue. I thought maybe it was just me, but apparently I am not the only one. I am rooted and running BlackStar rom right now, and I can compare it side by side with my girlfriends stock unrooted note and hers seems noticeably brighter. But even that I chalked up to her not having a screen protector and me having one. But I wouldn't think the screen protector would inhibit the brightness much if at all.
I also have gotten to the point of using full brightness, becuase auto brightness is unusable at times, even indoors.
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Well did you compare when you both stock? Not every screen is created equally. I've seen identical phones next to each other and both have completely different temperatures on the screen (one bluish and one yellowish).
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I have been using the same rom since the day I received my Galaxy Note so I am used to it by now since I have been using it for over four months. I even flashed a couple other Gingerbread roms which were nice but I came back to the Solaris Prime rom qickly after flashing. After waiting since the first ICS leak I got bored and flased a custom ICS rom with the intention of playing with it for a while then flashing back to Gingerbread. The screen was bright on every Gingerbread rom I flashed, but on the ICS rom I flashed it was nowhere near as bright. I always use full brightness and never use auto adjust which is what I set it to on the ICS rom. This is the ICS rom I tried out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1686320 Now my question is, has anyone else noticed this or is it maybe only a problem with this rom? Are ICS roms not as bright as Gingerbread roms cause I need the screen to be very bright? I noticed the brightness was very dim compared to Gingerbread roms I have used within five seconds of setting the brightness to full and turning off auto adjust. If all the ICS roms are like this I think I will stay with Gingerbread cause this is a deal breaker for me.
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The devs on custom roms turn down the brightness due to ocer heating..even if u can move the bar all the way to bright its still not the same
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Well did you compare when you both stock? Not every screen is created equally. I've seen identical phones next to each other and both have completely different temperatures on the screen (one bluish and one yellowish).
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This is not anything that I needed to compare. It was noticable and since it happened I have read about other devices having the same issue after upgrading to ICS. It seem like the only devices this happens with are Samsung devices cause every device I found with this issue was a Samsung device. Not sure if they are putting a limit on brightness cause I know a lot of people said the contrast was too high on the Note but there is clearly something making the screen look washed out with ICS. I want my screen to be bright like it is capable of. I want my whites to be white like they are on Gingerbread.
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Well did you compare when you both stock? Not every screen is created equally. I've seen identical phones next to each other and both have completely different temperatures on the screen (one bluish and one yellowish).
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This is not anything that I needed to compare. It was noticable and since it happened I have read about other devices having the same issue after upgrading to ICS. It seem like the only devices this happens with are Samsung devices cause every device I found with this issue was a Samsung device. Not sure if they are putting a limit on brightness cause I know a lot of people said the contrast was too high on the Note but there is clearly something making the screen look washed out with ICS. I want my screen to be bright like it is capable of. I have also read lots of people sayin that for some reason after rooting ICS their screens are not as bright but they cannot figure out why rooting would cause this to happen.
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The devs on custom roms turn down the brightness due to ocer heating..even if u can move the bar all the way to bright its still not the same
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That makes no sense. I need a dev to tell me they limit the brightness we can use before I would beleive that. And not only that the problem seems to be happening on official firmware upgrades not just custom roms. I do not think its a coincidence that all the devices I have found this problem happening on after updating to ICS were Samsung devices.
I recreated the problem so people can see it happening on their devices. Try this
1: Turn full brightness on and turn off auto adjust.
2: Open the default browser, and Gmail and leave them running.
3: Now go to home and long press the home button and the app icons will popup. Pay attention to Gmail and the browser, and you will notice the task manager icons are much brighter than the apps.
4: Without taking your eyes off the task icons open the browser and you will notice it gets dimmer then the task icons.
5: Now hit the menu button and when it pops up the browser will get brighter. Hit it again it will get dimmer.
6: Now hit the tab button and you will also see the tab icon is much brighter than the app itself.
I have noticed the apps that have the black menu popup get lighter and darker when you push the menu button but the ones with the white menu popup stay the same when you push the menu button. The weird thing is it seems like the system menus, app menus and the launcher are all as bright as they should be its just the actual apps that are washed out. I have only tried two AOKP roms so maybe this is a problem with those roms but it is very noticeable especially on apps that have white backgrounds. I cannot figure out why the whole system is bright til I open an app then the app gets dimmer then the rest of the system.
Lol
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This ICS rom I'm using (FJ ucle2#6...is not "darker" per sey .
I'm leaning more toward darker theme features perhaps ?
But I prefer the dark background popups with white letters etc. And I suppose it's possible that the ICS leaks are reduced to improve battery life ?
I honestly can't say, but I do know that my stock GB was like looking into the sun at night for me.
My eyes don't do bright very well ....g
I have the same problem!!!
I use my Galaxy Note (ATT) at full brightness and I have had it for 4 months. Got bored and decided to root it yesterday and installed an ICS rom. The screens were noticeably darker even at full brightness. It was depressing me and I wanted to go back to Gingerbread, but the MDSUM of my nand backup was incorrect for some reason, so I have not been able to do that. Looking around now for some Gingerbread roms to flash today!!!
ariot said:
I have the same problem!!!
I use my Galaxy Note (ATT) at full brightness and I have had it for 4 months. Got bored and decided to root it yesterday and installed an ICS rom. The screens were noticeably darker even at full brightness. It was depressing me and I wanted to go back to Gingerbread, but the MDSUM of my nand backup was incorrect for some reason, so I have not been able to do that. Looking around now for some Gingerbread roms to flash today!!!
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Try this Gingerbread rom its great http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563390
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Try this Gingerbread rom its great http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563390
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Thank you!
porkenhimer said:
Try this Gingerbread rom its great http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1563390
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Just an FYI, - I was downloading another rom from the same team as the one you recommended when I saw your update, so I went ahead and flashed the one I already downloaded. Took me back to 2.3.6, but it did NOT fix my screen brightness issue. I therefore went ahead and took my phone completely back to stock,unrooted and it's all good now.
ariot said:
Just an FYI, - I was downloading another rom from the same team as the one you recommended when I saw your update, so I went ahead and flashed the one I already downloaded. Took me back to 2.3.6, but it did NOT fix my screen brightness issue. I therefore went ahead and took my phone completely back to stock,unrooted and it's all good now.
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Thats the rom I use and its super bright. Try it out I promise you will like it.
just pointing out - I agree about the brightness thing.
specially so in my favorite new rom, the latest from team perfection (the one released at the end of june 2012). it's an amazing rom, but it is quite dramatically dimmer in autobrightness modes than GB roms and is in fact so fim in autobrightness modes that I can't see it very well with my old eyes. I had no problem with other roms, and the stock gb rom is MUCH bright in auto mode.
then I take it out of autobrightness and go outside in the sun. it's almost unreadable in the sun outdoors (walking around). reverted to stock nandroid in autobrightness mode - I can read it ok in the sun. reverted to nandroid of the new ics rom. crank the brightness, can't read it, autobrightness is no brighter (maybe even dimmer) in the sun.
this isn't acceptible - the display on the note is amazing, why take away one of the best features of the note?
I cant' even use the phone in the sun when walking now.
I hope someone can find a way to change the brightness levels after the fact - that would be a really helpful tweak for those of us who can easily tell the difference (between readable and unreadable) in our roms.
I've looked through build.prop files but can't see anything there obviously related to screen brightness, so it must be something in teh roms or kernels.
cheers
Don
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just pointing out - I agree about the brightness thing.
specially so in my favorite new rom, the latest from team perfection (the one released at the end of june 2012). it's an amazing rom, but it is quite dramatically dimmer in autobrightness modes than GB roms and is in fact so fim in autobrightness modes that I can't see it very well with my old eyes. I had no problem with other roms, and the stock gb rom is MUCH bright in auto mode.
then I take it out of autobrightness and go outside in the sun. it's almost unreadable in the sun outdoors (walking around). reverted to stock nandroid in autobrightness mode - I can read it ok in the sun. reverted to nandroid of the new ics rom. crank the brightness, can't read it, autobrightness is no brighter (maybe even dimmer) in the sun.
this isn't acceptible - the display on the note is amazing, why take away one of the best features of the note?
I cant' even use the phone in the sun when walking now.
I hope someone can find a way to change the brightness levels after the fact - that would be a really helpful tweak for those of us who can easily tell the difference (between readable and unreadable) in our roms.
I've looked through build.prop files but can't see anything there obviously related to screen brightness, so it must be something in teh roms or kernels.
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Don
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I mentioned this on one if the rom threads and they got mad for some reason. They acted like I was making the issue up. I do not know how I noticed the ICS roms are not as bright as the Gingerbread roms but not many others have noticed. It is insanely evident that the ICS roms do not match up in brightness when compared to Gingerbread. I have also searched the web about the issue and all the devices with this problem are made by Samsung. The big bright screen should not suffer with an upgrade. I want my screen to be just as bright on ICS as it is on Gingerbread. With this issue ICS is a big turn off for me. I am beginning to think that all the reports of over saturation on the screen of newer Samsung devices have forced Samsung to put something in the newer ICS software to control the problem that some had with the saturation being too bright. I really hope someone else notices so it can be taken seriously and someone will give it some attention and fix it.
cool, yea I read that... LoL, I felt bad for you.
I think I may have found the possible culprit, if devs are doing this on purpose at least.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1541180
I'll look at this tomorrow and see if I can brighten up my new favorite rom, team perfection (the june 28th or whatever latest rc1 version is).
PS: I killed my flash of that rom by accident this afternoon and now am reinstalling the whole damned thing and all of my apps again. all in an effort to brighten up the display. {stupid}
cheers
Don
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side note:
in my attempt (and final success) to download apkmanager/apktool, I came across ******* (an ad website - edit: "adf .ly" without the space). I've hit it before too.
It is very unsual for me to get so angry with a website developer that I get violently negative feelings of aggression toward them, but in this case I can strongly and confidently say that the developers of ******* need to be forcefully removed from existence. or at least their crap advertising code does.
as you were, gentlemen.
now I'm off to start hacking away at the brightness framework apk.
Cheers
Don
Does anyone else feel like the ICS OTA was just kind of thrown together and not built very well? To me, nothing seems to be themed consistently and I feel as though ICS/Sense doesn't fit very well together. In some cases, I'll get menus with the black and blue ICS theme and then other times I'll get the Sense white and green menus. Other than having ICS (which is awesome) I don't think HTC put much time into this update. What do you guys think?
I blame Verizon...
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I see what you mean but what can we do?
Rezzy
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I blame Verizon...
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Blame verizon all you want for the bad timing of the update, but the performance of ICS is 100% HTC's fault. No doubt about it
Problem is that HTC is mostly green and they want to stay green except Android is turning blue. I guess HTC needs to learn how to theme? Oh and I blame Verizon for everything as well, what a bunch of blowers..
It's kinda sh*tty but it doesn't bother most of us since we're on custom roms that are themed. Source is the only thing I care about.
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ICS OTA
I waited for the OTA to drop before I unlocked the bootloader, rooted, and installed custom roms. I don't know why, because the OTA was underwhelming for sure.
It's better than gb for sure
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I don't care much for the looks but that is not the problem. It is much slower the gb. The browser does not work well for flash videos. It also does not work when searching pictures with Google. Hancent no longer see's Facebook photos. I have several programs that don't work properly. I wish i could go back to GB!
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I was annoyed to find out on a trip this weekend that the navigation voice does not have its own volume and if you play music at the same time, you can barely hear the voice. I had to mute my music when there was a lot of directions coming up.
It is an improvement for me
I am completely stock. I don't like to root until Verizon wont cover the phone any longer.But I was getting close though because of the data drop issues. ICS is not the solution to everything, but it made my phone able to work like I expect. I don't know if I blame HTC, Verizon or the tooth fairy. I know that they all should have been bothered by the number of people running stock that were dealing with not being able to us the internet as a general rule that is a core function of a smart phone, imho.
For those of you who are developing roms, thank you. I will root this phone, probably around Christmas. Thanks for keeping a variety around. :good:
Dated version of sense when 4.0 is the norm for newer HTC phones. Custom roms ftw.
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Dated version of sense when 4.0 is the norm for newer HTC phones. Custom roms ftw.
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Honestly I am ok with most stuff on it. The only major issue I am having is battery drain. I am hoping after I reset it will be fixed. But it did fix the 4g issues I was having. The browser hasn't been slower for me but I haven't tried videos on it yet. I am annoyed handsent isn't syncing the pics but since the address book is it sounds like a handcent problem. Overall I am happy with it. It's nice I can disable the bloatware and I like how ICS is. I like the sense its not much difference then GB, 4.0 would be nice but at least my phone is working now.
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Honestly I am ok with most stuff on it. The only major issue I am having is battery drain. I am hoping after I reset it will be fixed. But it did fix the 4g issues I was having. The browser hasn't been slower for me but I haven't tried videos on it yet. I am annoyed handsent isn't syncing the pics but since the address book is it sounds like a handcent problem. Overall I am happy with it. It's nice I can disable the bloatware and I like how ICS is. I like the sense its not much difference then GB, 4.0 would be nice but at least my phone is working now.
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Nice! Glad to hear that you're happy with your phone and the update :good:. If you're having battery issues, try reducing the frequency of data synchs etc. Lower screen brightness for general use etc. Could also try a battery calibration. Good luck!
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Nice! Glad to hear that you're happy with your phone and the update :good:. If you're having battery issues, try reducing the frequency of data synchs etc. Lower screen brightness for general use etc. Could also try a battery calibration. Good luck!
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I kept my sync frequencies, and screen brightness the same so I could compare battery efficiency between GB and ICS. ICS is about 50% worse, in my experience. My extended battery lasts 1 day 9 hours to 0% battery, where it used to last a full 2. It's horrendous. If I reduced sync times and brightness, etc. on GB I would be approaching or exceeding the 3 day mark. Users shouldn't have to do all that just to hit 2 days on ICS. I know some users do not experience these battery issues (my wife and coworker do not), so I have to assume it's an actual defect in my handset.
I agree with OP. Nothing seemed themes consistently at all. I couldn't stand bouncing back and force between ICS and Sense themes, which were entirely different (and arguably clashing).
I spent plenty of time waiting for the OTA, and when it finally came and flashed a new ROM that night.
Screen brightness messes up after using camera (mine stays at full brightness until I lock and unlock again), landscape keyboard is severely ****ed (not so much the keyboard but the displayed content above it where my cursor is), and the themes a little but they don't bother me at all. Anyone else have those problems?
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Screen brightness messes up after using camera (mine stays at full brightness until I lock and unlock again), landscape keyboard is severely ****ed (not so much the keyboard but the displayed content above it where my cursor is), and the themes a little but they don't bother me at all. Anyone else have those problems?
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Ive always had that auto brightness problem with the camera even on the droid incredible so its not new to me but i did notice that if you try a new theme some parts of HTC's green theme turn into your color of theme. But not always.
I agree with everything said pretty much accept battery life. Mines still good even on these stock kernals.
Moral of the story... Nexus only from now on lol. The themeing issues and old sense and old version of ICS when we finally get the update is annoying to me. Why didn't they just release the source and not push an outdated update lol.
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Ive always had that auto brightness problem with the camera even on the droid incredible so its not new to me but i did notice that if you try a new theme some parts of HTC's green theme turn into your color of theme. But not always.
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Yeah I turned on the blue skin theme and it comes up with some blue and some green. Both look fine so I don't complain but the landscape keyboard thing is super annoying. Anyone have that problem or am I the minority?
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Now I understand that I'm in a DNA forum, but am trying to get some responses from people who have made the switch. I love the amount of Roms and customization that I have with my s3. I can get 4 hours of screen time easy.
I'm just trying to see what in comparison to the S3 I'll be getting. I know the resolution is better and the quad vs. Dual processor etc.
Just trying to see what you all liked better after making the switch.
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Now I understand that I'm in a DNA forum, but am trying to get some responses from people who have made the switch. I love the amount of Roms and customization that I have with my s3. I can get 4 hours of screen time easy.
I'm just trying to see what in comparison to the S3 I'll be getting. I know the resolution is better and the quad vs. Dual processor etc.
Just trying to see what you all liked better after making the switch.
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battery, definitely better on dna. I'm at 65% right now with over 2 hours of screen on time. And this is with full brightness watching yt and playing games.
as you mentioned the screen and processor are better, and this definitely shows. I rarely see a loading screen and games look amazing and can run maxed out no problem
touchwiz vs sense. This is really for you to decide, sense is more polished, professional looking, and customizable on stock, but you loose features of touchwiz
But honestly, it is a decision for you to make. I recommend checking out some comparison videos on youtube
To be honest the battery was scaring me. I had a rezound and that thing was horrible. I don't use touchwiz cause I'm running aokp. I love flashing new ROMs and am scared there aren't going to be many since HTC likes to lock their phones down. I've never been a big fan of sense. I guess I could just install another launcher.
How about the size comparison. I know the specs are almost the same with the DNA a tad thicker.
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To be honest the battery was scaring me. I had a rezound and that thing was horrible. I don't use touchwiz cause I'm running aokp. I love flashing new ROMs and am scared there aren't going to be many since HTC likes to lock their phones down. I've never been a big fan of sense. I guess I could just install another launcher.
How about the size comparison. I know the specs are almost the same with the DNA a tad thicker.
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although the dna is thicker on paper, it feels thinner because of how it is curved
ive had both.
s3 has more options. more roms. easier to unlock.
screen is fancier on the dna.
battery and sd card are up to you. i dont use much space or have ever switched out batteries so im ok.
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.) its that the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
its kinda like seeing a really really hot girl who has as all this style and all...and then you realize shes utterly crazy. or its like getting a porche and they take out the steering wheel and replace it with an atari 2600 joystick!
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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ive had both.
s3 has more options. more roms. easier to unlock.
screen is fancier on the dna.
battery and sd card are up to you. i dont use much space or have ever switched out batteries so im ok.
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.) its that the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
its kinda like seeing a really really hot girl who has as all this style and all...and then you realize shes utterly crazy. or its like getting a porche and they take out the steering wheel and replace it with an atari 2600 joystick!
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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rooting the dna is not hard, if it's to much of a pain to use adb return it and get a iphone. everything you pointed out is nit-picking.
phatmhat said:
ive had both.
s3 has more options. more roms. easier to unlock.
screen is fancier on the dna.
battery and sd card are up to you. i dont use much space or have ever switched out batteries so im ok.
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.) its that the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
its kinda like seeing a really really hot girl who has as all this style and all...and then you realize shes utterly crazy. or its like getting a porche and they take out the steering wheel and replace it with an atari 2600 joystick!
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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1. If you don't know how to use adb you shouldn't even bother with rooting. Just watch the "how to" video at the same time as you're unlocking it. It's pretty damn simple.
2. The menu button you speak of is easily fixed if you root and put a custom rom on your phone. All of the current roms allow you to reroute the recent button to menu/recents, which would get rid of the menu bar on the screen.
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phatmhat said:
hugest things for me right now are sense. it does NOT have as many options. it is NOT as polished, imo. its cluttered and illogical compared to the s3. youll see!
for example, no toggles in the status bar. and no options in the settings for it.
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that is really the only example. Other than that sense is far more polished and professional, touchwiz looks cartoonish
phatmhat said:
HUGEST gripe and a deal breaker if i cant easily root this thing soon (which is another problem. theyre still using adb.)
if i cant root this and thus fix this crap fast im taking it back.
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you can root the dna, and its not too hard either. If youre scared of using adb then go get an iphone
phatmhat said:
the menu key doesnt bring up the menu. it brings up the latest apps. and you cant reroute it. its not in the settings. seriously wtf were they thinking?
and it gets worse. not only does it not work and you cant change it, but to allow you to use the menu in apps, what do they do? THEY PUT HUGE BAR on the screen!!!
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thats not a menu button. As per android conventions there is a back, home, and recent apps button(I have no clue what samsung was thinking with their devices with their weird layout). Is it annoying that they took out the option to remap it, sure, but thats what rooting is for. And that black bar only shows up in apps that arent up to ics conventions, so yea, not that big of a deal in the first place.
and that 'hugh' bar, yea thats not htc's doing, its googles
Just so you guys know let's lay some facts out here
1 adb should be a skill before rooting phones like stated above you shouldn't be messing with a phone until you're comfortable with fastboot and adb
2. Verizon dictated the specs not HTC....god knows why Verizon didn't want a remap option available ....
3. My friend has the DNA and my father has the s3... If you're looking for aosp based roms samsung may be you're choice ....I have the one xl and cm10 runs beautifully on it but it's a tad behind other devices....sense grows on you after a while you'll see
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Was going to add that the DNA' s screen is amazing though the s3 is still an amazing.device which I'd take any day
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Now I understand that I'm in a DNA forum, but am trying to get some responses from people who have made the switch. I love the amount of Roms and customization that I have with my s3. I can get 4 hours of screen time easy.
I'm just trying to see what in comparison to the S3 I'll be getting. I know the resolution is better and the quad vs. Dual processor etc.
Just trying to see what you all liked better after making the switch.
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You spend so much time looking at your phone's screen, shouldnt you enjoy every second of it
but the batter is a good 30% lower then GS3
cheers
Thanks for all the replies. I really do like my Samsung. And since I'm a crack flasher I'll prolly just keep this. I love to try out new software and I'm really hooked on cm10 which I don't think is going to be available on the DNA.
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I have S3 to compare. International version. The battery life is just a bit better on DNA. The screen, no need to say. Voice quality - HTC is much louder, clear speaker. Network reception quality is better on HTC. Both phones work on GSM. S3 running stock JB, DNA is running ROM. Design, for me DNA is much better designed. Plus, wireless charger is very useful on work desk.
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I am able to upgrade from the Rezound to either of these phones (or anything else for that matter). I am up in the air about it. The Galaxy S3 has a big community from what I can see. The only thing that scares me about the DNA is whether the community will be there. The Rezound community is always bickering at each other and every time I turn around, we loose another developer. I rarely even look at the forum any more because there isn't much going on there. When I had my OG Droid Incredible, the community was just flat out kicking ass.
I am going to watch this thread and see if it can help me make up my mind. I may just wait to see what comes out later. Thanks for any more input (and I do realize I'm on a DNA thread).
in my opinion, if you have an s3, i wouldnt make the switch.
the DNA is sweet dont get me wrong, but theres something that still leaves me missing my s3. Sure its only a dual core, but that thing screams. The screen is better on the dna. Not by a ton, but it is better. However, I still prefer the contrast and saturation from super amoled displays. the DNA has superior radios as well. Holds a signal much stronger than the s3. Also, yes, the dev community on the s3 is HUGE as it is a cross carrier phone. I miss that as well. I hate the way sense looks and cant wait to slap an aosp rom on this thing.
I miss the speaker volume from the s3, and Im not a big fan of sense. I actually find that my battery lasted longer on my s3 than it did on this phone.
The power button and charger door flap piss me off as well.
Now dont get me wrong, the DNA is a AWESOME device and Im only nitpicking here. And I will be keeping it. The build quality is superb. But to me, the DNA is not worth the upgrade from the s3 unless you catch a super good deal on one. I managed to get one brand new on Craigslist for 450. I went from a gs3>ip5>DNA, so I just traded my ip5 straight up for a DNA. There are pros and cons to each phone, my advice would be to try them both in store
I went from gs3 to DNA and my biggest worry was battery life,which with identical use between devices has been unfounded. Where I really noticed the difference in the screens was in direct sunlight. The gs3s was hard to see and the DNAs is surprisingly clear. Hopefully a dev community grows here but we've already got some kernel devs. And some stock romsso we are off to a good start. Sweep2wake is awesome. sense does suck (as does touchwhiz imo)
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I personally would wait for a bigger upgrade. I don't see much to be excited about on the DNA if you already have the s3 which is a fantastic phone in itself. I love my DNA, but for you that isn't much of an upgrade IMO.
Thanks for all the responses!! I'm leaning towards keeping my s3. One of the big factors is dev support. There are so many ROMs and tweaks since its a cross carrier phone.
I might just keep looking on craigslist or online for a deal. Plus is just read that the galaxy s4 is dropping in march.
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I apologized if I ignore anything or repeat anything that's been said, but I couldn't make it through the first response.
The DNA is substantially worse in battery life when compared to the S3 during use. I could get 16-20 hours with moderate to heavy usage on the S3. The DNA will give me about 11-13 hours with the same usage. When not in use the DNA does at least hold up to the S3, but surprisingly I've only gone down 13% in the last 6 and a half hours.
I've had the S3 for the past 2 months. I've had the DNA for half a week.
What I liked about the S3 was TouchWiz. Not the look of it, but the features. There are too many to list and most of them are useful. Unlocking/rooting is pretty simple once you understand how to use Odin, and you're good from there.
What I like about the DNA is the size. It's definitely just a large smartphone (compared to my Note 2 which is damn big and requires 2 hands for optimum use), and HTC did a great job keeping the rest of the phone tucked into the screen and keep it super thin. The screen looks fantastic. The software... junk. Sense has nothing to offer other than a style, one that I don't find appealing. I'm dying to get an AOSP based ROM on this thing, AOKP would be awesome. Due to VZW blocking it from being unlocked via HTC Dev by default, rooting it is a long process and if ADB is new to you then you'll have a difficult time. Compared to the S3, there's barely any ROM options.
If I had to pick between the two, I'd have a tough time but I'd probably lean towards the DNA based on the large, nice screen, small size (for it's large screen). If battery is more important, there's a good change the S3 will be better. If size doesn't matter and you've got the extra $100, get the Note 2. Won't regret it.
As for the upgrade being worth it? Not unless you're dead-set on getting a new phone.