Hi,
My brother died. Only 2 months left on his contract so I'd like to complete the contract for him then give his son the phone to use. However, the son cannot afford the $80 per month bill my brother had. Is there a pre-paid option I can get this Sprint phone running on that's a good deal? His usage would be light. If a data plan is available too that would be nice but not totally necessary.
Thanks,
CxP
Flash it over to Boost Mobile for him
A good option would be to have it flashed to Cricket. My understanding is that they will flash any CDMA phone to their network. There are other options of flashing to Boost, etc but they are kind of difficult process to do and illegal because another phones esn must be swapped to the Evo to work because Boost, Virgin, Metro will no longer activate a phone that they did not sell directly (even though many folks do this and get away with it....i sur wouldn't rick it because it is an FCC deemed federal crime).
What's the best stock software to be running on the phone for Cricket? The latest ICS or some version of GB?
Thanks,
CxP
ClockerXP said:
Hi,
My brother died.
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Did everyone miss that? Seriously though sorry for your loss
kiewee3 said:
Did everyone miss that? Seriously though sorry for your loss
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I was gonna say.
nice everyone helping out, but I truly sorry am sorry about your loss.
One option which you probably thought of. If you financially do it, pay for the last 2 months.
or
-Downgrade current plan
Best wishes to you & family.
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Thanks for your feedback. I am paying the plan for the next 2 months to get the phone off contract.
I would look at downgrading the plan but I didn't see anything less than the $80/month plan that has data with it. I will check the Sprint site again though.
Thanks for the sympathies guys and for the helpful feedback too.
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Where r u located? Check to c if ur in a cricket triband area. If u r I'd suggest flashing the phone to boost instead of cricket. I flashed a friend's og EVO recently to cricket in a triband area n his 3g is all screwed up...good luck.
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Have you tried caing Sprint and telling them about your brother? They could just end the contract for you. It's worth a try.
Plus even if the phone is on contract I think you can still use it on Cricket. I see lots of Bad ESN Sprint phones on ebay that can be used on Cricket but not Sprint.
Sorry about ur brother man.
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The phone will be in Berkley, MI. I'll have to check but I don't want to do anything illegal.
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Am truly sorry for your loss.
I am assuming its an evo 3d....
You are allowed to break a contract on grounds the person who signed the contract has passed. If it not under his name that is not an option Technically the contract expired when he passed but you have to notify Sprint. Now the problem is they will try to charge ( eventually to the estate) the full retail price of the phone since it was purchased at a discounted price on the assumption they were getting two years of service fees. You might be better off doing as youplanned and pay the remaining two months to own the phone. At that point you can flash to boost or virgin mobile. Virgin has more sprint towers than boost...
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What's the process to switch over to Virgin or Cricket? If going to Boost is illegal I want no part of that.
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What's the process to switch over to Virgin or Cricket? If going to Boost is illegal I want no part of that.
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Flashing your phone to cricket or boost isn't illegal
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Flashing your phone to cricket or boost isn't illegal
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Cricket will flash the phone in store (not illegal). Boost will not flash the phone.....The only way to flash to Boost is to do an esn swap from an already activated Boost phone and flash yourself.....which is very illegal. Please don't spread misinformation.
Also OP, my sincere condolences for your and your nephews loss.
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Cricket will flash the phone in store (not illegal). Boost will not flash the phone.....The only way to flash to Boost is to do an esn swap from an already activated Boost phone and flash yourself.....which is very illegal. Please don't spread misinformation.
Also OP, my sincere condolences for your and your nephews loss.
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How does one flash it to Virgin? since they do have Evo 3Ds? and are their any cricket stores in michigan? [in the kalamazoo area]
Were you in here a couple weeks ago trying to get past your brothers pass code to find his contacts? How did that work out?
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Yep that was me. I was able to get into his yahoo mail account and use that one to reset the password on the Gmail. So I ended up just factory resetting the phone.
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Can you used the EVO 3D on any of these pre-paid services w/o a data plan? Finding out the son may not be allowed internet access due to some previous poor behavior.
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U do not "flash" to cricket.... And "flashing" is not illegal. Spoofing esn's is. (But if ur spoofing it from a phone u own egos gonna catch u?)
Step 1 have cricket add ur esn to ur cricket android account.
Step 2 apply correct prl for cricket
U now have a working phone (talk/txt)
Mms is a whole different story. (Need correct apn)
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Cricket will flash the phone in store (not illegal). Boost will not flash the phone.....The only way to flash to Boost is to do an esn swap from an already activated Boost phone and flash yourself.....which is very illegal. Please don't spread misinformation.
Also OP, my sincere condolences for your and your nephews loss.
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"Very" is a little harsh.
Cloinging an ESN is a federal crime (regulated by the FCC), but the law is written to prevent cloning an ESN to steal service (i.e. creating a true clone - having 2 phones working off of one contract/service, and only paying for service for one phone).
The laws are a little bit behind on this one.
While techinically against the law, the fact is that if you only ever have one phone connected to the service using that ESN - and you are the contract holder for the service associated with that ESN, you are not "stealing the service" and are not committing an actual crime.
The government no longer recognizes non-criminal activity as innocent, however, and the act of cloning the ESN number is prohibited by law.
For a short break off topic, this is part of the problem with the "free people" in America - their government prohibits, they obey or lose their life, liberty, and/or property to their government.
The government can prosecute you for violating it's rules, even if you commit no crime (no tresspass upon another person's equal inherent rights). The limitations on normal people (the inability to bring a case to court without Standing - a distinct and palpable injury or loss caused by another person; Standing only allows you to bring a civil proceeding against the infringing party - no criminal (prison/fines/death penalty) sanctions may be imposed) do not apply to government. No crime must exist for the state to bring a criminal case against a person (trust me. I went to prison for violating a governmental licensing statute - without having committed an actual crime).
Government has no rights, and - Constitutionally - cannot bring charges against a person EXCEPT in the case where it is representing the rights of a victim of crime (i.e. a murder case), or cases of treason.
Government doesn't obey the rules any more.
So while intent is generally considered to be part of the crime (innocent intent to use service you are paying for should not be criminalized), the actual interpretation of the law may be different - if you are ever taken to court, and the state brings charges against you.
The likelihood of this happening is very, very small.
As long as you aren't selling phones with cloned ESN's, and don't make a habit out of doing this (and also destroy the phone with the ESN you clone - making there only be 1 phone with the ESN you are using), you shouldn't have any problems.
That being said, it is still, technically, against federal law.
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hi to all evo 3d xda members i just need i little help with my problem,, this is what happen today,, i buy a htc evo 3d brand new in box but when i tried to activate in sprint store they says is bad esn i buy from craigslist ,, and the same time i call people who flash sprint phones to boost and they say they do for 190$ first month free i see a few evos flashed to boost and works good but i dont know if evo 3d works the same or if this people can really do it ,, thanks for the advices in advance
It is possible to do, but it's also illegal. I suspect you wont be getting much advice from these forums.
Maybe search a little in the Evo forums for a guy who used to do it and PM him.
Get your money back for the phone.
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hi to all evo 3d xda members i just need i little help with my problem,, this is what happen today,, i buy a htc evo 3d brand new in box but when i tried to activate in sprint store they says is bad esn i buy from craigslist ,, and the same time i call people who flash sprint phones to boost and they say they do for 190$ first month free i see a few evos flashed to boost and works good but i dont know if evo 3d works the same or if this people can really do it ,, thanks for the advices in advance
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You're a victim of Craigslist. Who ever sold it to you must've stole it or something and sold it to you. Get your cash back. Next time call the seller get the hex number then call sprint and check it b4 you buy
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there is no getting your money back from craigslists though.
My EVO is flashed to Boost and it rocks, if you want some info send me a PM and I can point you to the right direction.
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It is possible to do, but it's also illegal. I suspect you wont be getting much advice from these forums.
Maybe search a little in the Evo forums for a guy who used to do it and PM him.
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Contrary to popular belief, it isn't illegal. What's illegal is copying somebody else ESN/MEID and stealing their service with it. Copying an ESN/MEID that you already own is not illegal.
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Contrary to popular belief, it isn't illegal. What's illegal is copying somebody else ESN/MEID and stealing their service with it. Copying an ESN/MEID that you already own is not illegal.
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Yup, and very easy to get it done. I sent u a pm with info
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i have the same problem too brought mine on CL any luck with this?
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i have the same problem too brought mine on CL any luck with this?
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Hate to state the obvious, but contact the person you got it from and get your $ back. Tell them that they have 24hrs to contact you before call the local PD. The EVO 3D is well into felony theft levels. Probably not something they'll want to mess with.
Who in their RIGHT mind would buy a phone off of CL w/ out first calling to make sure it can be activated??
Just do what they did put it back on craigslist and sell it to some unsuspecting person. Just kidding don't do that.
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Nevermind...
I'm damn near ready to flash my evo 3d and my other evo to boost since Sprint still has no useful 4g in the Metro Detroit area.
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Hello,
CL really is the Wild West. Every Phone I have sold, including my EVO 4G, I have urged the interested party to meet me at the Sprint Store and Activate it right then and there. For those who choose Metro PCS (who seem as though the will Activate anything) or Boost, at least they know they can go back to Sprint if they choose.
I am really sorry for both 3VO Buyers getting stolen or somehow misappropriated Phones. It makes it that much harder for legitimate Sellers to get their Phones Sold.
Cheers,
JJ
does it have a bad esn cause its been lost or stolen or just shows not clean for activation and attached to someones account? you can check on checkesnfree.com if its been reported lost or stolen PM me i may be albe to help you out.
still noone able to verify it can be flashed to boost yet?
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Hate to state the obvious, but contact the person you got it from and get your $ back. Tell them that they have 24hrs to contact you before call the local PD. The EVO 3D is well into felony theft levels. Probably not something they'll want to mess with.
Who in their RIGHT mind would buy a phone off of CL w/ out first calling to make sure it can be activated??
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maybe he just could not keep up his sprint bill!!
so either help this guy out with the info he needs or don't post useless information i love xda but there are a bunch a wannabe
lawyers&prosecutors on here always assuming some one
is trying to do something illegal,selling a phone that
sprint has blocked the esn on for not fulfilling
their contract is not illegal,and if the truth be told the OP knew this and does not want to be or can not be with sprint and just wants to flash the phone to a cheaper unlimited plan,so if you are going to post in his thread at least try to
be of some help instead of insisting he return it!!
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Contrary to popular belief, it isn't illegal. What's illegal is copying somebody else ESN/MEID and stealing their service with it. Copying an ESN/MEID that you already own is not illegal.
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That is incorrect. Even if you own the ESN that you want to change it to, it is illegal. That doesn't mean people don't do it, but it's still illegal. Modifying that part of the phone is a federal offense.
ok I know changing/mimic'ing an esn is illegal as per the fcc regulations but do you actually "change" the esn when flashing to another carrier that doesn't use contracts and whatnot? cricket, boost, etc.
hey guys i recently bought an evo 3d and i want to know hot to flash to boost and transfer info from my evo 4g.... can anyone help, is it possible???
My sister wants to get this phone and she is still on the EVO 4G.
I told her she could just buy out her contract if she wants the full discount. It's only $50.00 (she's a few months out).
The Corporate Sprint store said she had to hand in her old EVO 4G to do the Buyout. She wants to keep it and sell it (she already got offered like $130.00 for it).
She called Sprint and she said she had to go to a Store to do it.
I thought you could just call up sprint, payoff contract and then buy and Sprint phone after full discount from any authorized dealer with a 2 year renewel.
And sell your old phone any old time you want.
I bought out of my contract no problem...they never asked for me to return anything back....besides that she paid for her of EVO with her money I would call again and speak to a diffrent service rep....
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I called sprint retention and bought out my contract over the phone. Kept my phone too (sold it back to best buy for like $200)
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You were most likely given bad information. Call again.
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No point in calling again. That info is correct. Sprint modified the program. It is no longer being performed thru customer care. It is now being done in the stores and a buyback of the old device IS required. You were told correctly. Customer care can't offer this anymore. It must be done in the stores. This was done to reduce issues from the previous program.
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Unless that changed in the last couple of months, its nonsense. Or unless my situation was different. I had three lines on my account and terminated two of them for $50 each over the phone and didn't have to give them a thing.
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Couldn't a person just buy some piece of junk on craigs list, activate it on the line and give them that? (moment old blackberry etc) My kid has an epic touch with a crack in the screen that only can be seen with the screen off and they want to give him 40 bucks for it, i don't think so.
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No point in calling again. That info is correct. Sprint modified the program. It is no longer being performed thru customer care. It is now being done in the stores and a buyback of the old device IS required. You were told correctly. Customer care can't offer this anymore. It must be done in the stores. This was done to reduce issues from the previous program.
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^this is fact...and yes, it is new as of June I believe
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Unless that changed in the last couple of months, its nonsense. Or unless my situation was different. I had three lines on my account and terminated two of them for $50 each over the phone and didn't have to give them a thing.
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Completely different. This discussion is about essentially buying an early upgrade, not terminating lines
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I called customer care last week and bought out contract for 100 and got a new phone the next day, they never said anything about wanting the old phone, they even fixed it for me so I could get all the contacts off of it
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You were most likely given bad information. Call again.
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You may need to do a little checking yourself. Both my parents and sister did this. 2 paid $50 and my mother payed $100.
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A couple of internal docs regarding the new buy-out program were posted on Inside Sprint Now, which of course doesn't exist any more. Yes, starting in the second half of June early buy-outs are only supposed to be done through corp stores and yes, you have to turn in the phone that Sprint gave you in the previous upgrade cycle. The fee depends on the age of the current phone. It is a new program though, so you might still be able to do it the old way by calling customer service and without trading in your current phone, just depends on CSR's knowledge and luck.
Wow, just another reason to leave Sprint I guess. I think that's pretty dumb, as you essentially loose the money you paid for the device. Unless the money you paid to get the device is somehow subtracted from the price you pay to buy out the contract.
yeah this is bs, why would i pay off the rest of the fone just to turn in the fone and buy a new contract.... if sprint keeps this, they are gonna use alot of business....
You people are ridiculous....
How about you wait until your contract is up then? Then you can upgrade and keep your phone. If u want to upgrade early this is how you have to do it. Otherwise don't do it. Simple. Yet another reason to leave sprint? Lol. That sounds silly. Please explain to me how other providers run their buyout programs.
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.. if sprint keeps this, they are gonna use alot of business....
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Highly doubt THIS will be the reason Sprint loses business......
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Guys you get PAID for the phone you turn in
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She had an old flipphone she activated and handed that over.
They do buy back the old phone so it's not a bad deal.
I never let a "contract" sway when I do anything.
I think it's ridiculous when folks say I can't do X because they are under contract.
ok so i guess we're pretending that they didn't just take away the premire upgrades. you should be able to buy out the rest of your contract and not have to turn in the phone too, thats not a good deal, say you pay 165 to end your contract and then have to turn in a 500+ plus phone just do get a new one, might as well just pay the etf and keep the phone, u could actually make more money to get a new phone this way.
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ok so i guess we're pretending that they didn't just take away the premire upgrades. you should be able to buy out the rest of your contract and not have to turn in the phone too, thats not a good deal, say you pay 165 to end your contract and then have to turn in a 500+ plus phone just do get a new one, might as well just pay the etf and keep the phone, u could actually make more money to get a new phone this way.
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Just depends on the phone you have.
This is one specific program.. there are others
The push with buyback of the current phone in this specific program is the increased need for phone recycling, which sprint currently leads in.
The crying over contract changes that happened 6 months ago or more is just silly. Premium customers received one last upgrade to be used by end of year.
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What exactly does this mean for us and rooting? The law seems extremely vague. Any answer would be greatly appreciated
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What exactly does this mean for us and rooting? The law seems extremely vague. Any answer would be greatly appreciated
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Your post is extremely vague also. I have no idea what you're even asking
Pretty sure he is talking about unlocking cell phones becoming illegal on Saturday.
Means nothing to us tablet users. Our tablets aren't phones. From my understanding its more to prevent people from using phones on networks they aren't meant for.
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Your post is extremely vague also. I have no idea what you're even asking
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Read some news. Its all over everything unless you happen to know of another law kicking into gear on the 26th.
duarian said:
Pretty sure he is talking about unlocking cell phones becoming illegal on Saturday.
Means nothing to us tablet users. Our tablets aren't phones. From my understanding its more to prevent people from using phones on networks they aren't meant for.
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Thanks for the response. The wording is just so... Special its hard to make heads or tails of it.
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duarian said:
Pretty sure he is talking about unlocking cell phones becoming illegal on Saturday.
Means nothing to us tablet users. Our tablets aren't phones. From my understanding its more to prevent people from using phones on networks they aren't meant for.
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Please elaborate, what the **** is wrong with those bastards? I bought my device and I do whatever I want with it.
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Please elaborate, what the **** is wrong with those bastards? I bought my device and I do whatever I want with it.
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And you still can but what this prevents you from doing is unlocking your phone and walking over to competing mobile provider B. and activating a phone with them that was originally only meant to work on mobile provider A. This is actually a good thing for Google.
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And you still can but what this prevents you from doing is unlocking your phone and walking over to competing mobile provider B. and activating a phone with them that was originally only meant to work on mobile provider A. This is actually a good thing for Google.
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Actually this is just made to screw us customers and to help huge corporations in their never ending quest to get more money off us.
If someone buys a phone with a provider and switches it's because said provider didn't fit the needs of the customer needs, having choices is not bad at all.
The damn government is full of selfish bastards that just care about filling their pockets with bribes, this clearly doesn't help anyone.
Big Brother is not going to beat your door down because you unlocked your phone. Sorry if I ruin anyones day by posting that but unless you run a business doing that I wouldn't even sweat over it
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Big Brother is not going to beat your door down because you unlocked your phone. Sorry if I ruin anyones day by posting that but unless you run a business doing that I wouldn't even sweat over it
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The Galaxy unlock apps from the store might be banned and if we aren't lucky all of the *unlock your device* threads here in XDA will be gone too.
Here is an article and snippet that mentions tablets:
"Digital Millennium Copyright Act will make it illegal to jailbreak and unlock phones. According to the act, it is illegal to unlock both tablets and phones without permission from your wireless provider. ... Unfortunately, that window closes on Saturday, January 26th."
http://www.tmonews.com/2013/01/dmca-law-to-make-unlocking-phones-illegal-after-january-26th/
Of course any tablet without cell network connectivity or purchased from a cell provider is exempt.
so does this leave cyanogen mod in a tight spot? or can we still swap roms and stick with the current carrier?
I don't live in the US but it infuriates me when the government screws the people it's supposed to protect.
I sure hope none of you guys votes for the fags who passed this.
I agree it's a crock. Do we purchase the phone/tablet or rent it? If we are truly purchasing the phone then all they SHOULD be able to do is void our warranty.
This has nothing to do with rooting your phone or switching roms. The interpretation of the law is saying that you cannot take (for example) an AT&T phone that you bought on contract and unlock it to run on T-mobile without AT&T's permission. If you cancel your contract or it is up, AT&T says they will give you the unlock then.
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This has nothing to do with rooting your phone or switching roms. The interpretation of the law is saying that you cannot take (for example) an AT&T phone that you bought on contract and unlock it to run on T-mobile without AT&T's permission. If you cancel your contract or it is up, AT&T says they will give you the unlock then.
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Exactly.. It's not unfair, the `man' isn't holding you down and it's definitely not aliens..
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Exactly.. It's not unfair, the `man' isn't holding you down and it's definitely not aliens..
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Wasn't really worried about them holding me down... was more of a question of what is allowed and isn't... damn wording is so vague... i prefer the cyanogen roms... typically run much better than stock.
As long as i can still do that... i am happy.
Never know an alien could have provided blueprints for your phone
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Dont think it'll be enforced
I honestly dont think this law will be enforced.
Here in South Africa its illegal for the cellphone providers to lock the phones to the network. I guess lucky us.
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The provider sates "purchasing" the phone, and we all sign contracts with stated penalties for early termination. So basically they were able to convince the gov't to make a law to change the contract we already had with the provider.
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This isnt talking about rooting your phone, it is about unlocking which network it can be connected to. There are probably less than 1% of people in the US who ever unlock their phone to move them to a different carrier. Everyone in the US buys a new phone with a new contract, and most of the pay as you go stuff is unlocked anyway since you have to enter the APN info yourself or have a service rep do it.
The law itself is retarded and unneeded, and also shouldnt be within the realm of what government is allowed to say you can or cant do. But really it makes not one bit of different to just about anyone.
This should be pinned to every general section in this on this site.
Sign this petition to keep unlocking legal. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414699,00.asp
Starting Saturday, it will be illegal for you to unlock your phone without permission from your wireless carrier.
The rule change dates back to an October decision from the Library of Congress's Copyright Office, which gave consumers a 90-day window to unlock their phones without carrier permission. That 90-day period, however, ends this weekend.
The Copyright Office reviews the rules on unlocking (and jailbreaking) every three years, as required by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This time around, regulators found that "there are ample alternatives to circumvention. That is, the marketplace has evolved such that there is now a wide array of unlocked phone options available to consumers."
Some groups, however, had requested an exemption that would allow people to unlock their phones at will "because some devices sold by carriers are permanently locked and because unlocking policies contain restrictions and may not apply to all of a carrier's devices."
The Copyright Office, however, determined that "with respect to newly purchased phones, proponents had not satisfied their burden of showing adverse effects related to a technological protection measure."
That's likely because there are currently a variety of options when it comes to unlocking your phone. Verizon CDMA phones, for example, have unlocked SIM card slots. The 4G LTE Verizon iPhone 5 also includes an unlocked SIM. Last year, AT&T started allowing non-contract iPhone users to unlock their devices for use on other GSM networks. You can also opt to buy unlocked phones for a higher price.
Still, the Copyright Office recognized that it's not as easy to unlock an older phone as it is a newer one - "in part because an older or expired contract might not require the carrier to cooperate."
As a result, regulators gave consumers that 90-day window, starting Oct. 28, to unlock their phone without carrier permission. The move "is both warranted and unlikely to harm the market," the office concluded.
The unlocking issue differs from jailbreaking. In its same October ruling, regulators upheld rules that allow for jailbreaking, which allows you to run unapproved applications. Jailbreaking is most often mentioned in conjunction with the iPhone because Apple has strict control over which apps it allows into its App Store. If you jailbreak your device, you could run an app not available in the App Store on your iPhone, but the very act of jailbreaking voids your warranty, so you better know what you're doing.
The Copyright Office, however, declined to extend its jailbreaking rules to tablets because it found that the proposed definition of the device was too broad.
Wow. What has this world come to. That's a communist way of looking at electronics. I wish we knew more about what will happen if you have your carriers permission to unlock.
On a second reading, it looks like this only applies to unlocking the sim. It doesn't say bootloader...
Maybe we'll still be able to dev for these amazing devices
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yeah its sim unlock only, so you cant run it on another network, which is still absolute BS.
Signed. Freedom after purchase is a very big part of living in a free society. If you can't do what you want with your property what's the point in calling it yours
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This is the Rezound forum. The Rezound is only sold through Verizon Wireless. VZW has never locked their phones to work only on their network.
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This is the Rezound forum. The Rezound is only sold through Verizon Wireless. VZW has never locked their phones to work only on their network.
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Someone obviously missed the point...
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this does not matter just purchase an unlocked phone like i did the htc rezound and besides all lte phone must be unlocked according to fcc rules. for the rules.
rezoundness said:
this does not matter just purchase an unlocked phone like i did the htc rezound and besides all lte phone must be unlocked according to fcc rules. for the rules.
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Bootloader must be unlockable yes, but sim cards no. They will have control over your ability to use a phone on a network of your choosing
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As if this will stop anyone. Just like how gun laws prevent shootings...
socal87 said:
As if this will stop anyone. Just like how gun laws prevent shootings...
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You may own the phone, but your service provider can cut you off it you violate their rules. They'll tell you too bad.. Go try the next provider your just a number
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But wait a sec,
If you buy the phone on contract for the lowered price then technically you don't own the phone right? So the carrier would decide?
Don't forget to sign the death star petition as well. If ur not familiar with that petition then shame on u.
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saintsfan09 said:
Don't forget to sign the death star petition as well. If ur not familiar with that petition then shame on u.
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Didn't that one end? They responded to it and it was amazing...let me see if I can find it
edit: here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking
heyis4horses said:
Didn't that one end? They responded to it and it was amazing...let me see if I can find it
edit: here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking
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How sad. I didn't know it ended already. I really thought this petition would be successful. Shows u how messed up this countries priorities r when we can't even get the government to commit necessary resources to building a death star. My generation will get this done. Guaranteed. Clever response from the White House though. I will concede that much
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How sad. I didn't know it ended already. I really thought this petition would be successful. Shows u how messed up this countries priorities r when we can't even get the government to commit necessary resources to building a death star. My generation will get this done. Guaranteed. Clever response from the White House though. I will concede that much
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I could not be happier with their response unless it was a picture of a death star in construction
When I'm President, my first move in office will to order funds for R&D into the creation of a Deathstar. I hope to vaporize those damn Martians by my 2nd term...
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Your info isn't entirely true. This law only pertains to phones purchased when the law goes in to effect. Any phones purchased before the law going in to effect is exempted.
Personally I would just buy a nexus 4 if I was going to carrier hop and know everything will work right. I do agree its stupid as if you own your phone outright you should be able to use it as you see fit. After all you can modify your car any way you want so why cant phpnes be the same way?
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heyis4horses said:
Didn't that one end? They responded to it and it was amazing...let me see if I can find it
edit: here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking
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They are the government as they don't know a parsec is a measurement in distance and not time lol.
I really thought they would go for the ideal of building a death star. I mean come on it wastes money like the government seems to love to do. Plus all Americans could move in to it and then they could blow the earth up and take care of that pesky illegal immigration problem in one shot. Then we could be the ultimate power in the universe lol.
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So, I've been doing some research on this, and there are a lot of misconceptions about this that need to be cleared up.
First, this seems to only apply to new phones sold after the effective date. Second, this by itself does not make unlocking a phone illegal. This decision simply states that the DMCA doesn't grant an automatic exemption to unlocking according to the interpretation of the Library of Congress, not that it's illegal. That means that the carriers can sue people for unlocking if they choose to do so, and it would then be up to the court to decide whether or not it's legal.
What would happen if it did go to court? The EFF would likely step forward to help the defense of the first defendant. Possibly other groups as well. The carriers and their industry groups would fund the prosecution. In the current legal landscape, it would likely be decided favor of the carriers, however, despite what you're reading, that hasn't actually been decided yet.
https://www.eff.org/is-it-illegal-to-unlock-a-phone
Yes Verizon has had phones that only work on their network... My HTC Eris didn't have a removable sim card.
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justjayhere said:
Yes Verizon has had phones that only work on their network... My HTC Eris didn't have a removable sim card.
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Because it's a CDMA phone, they don't use sim cards.
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Was just curious if anyone could help me with this. I'm wanting out of my Verizon contract I have 6 months left and noticed the customer agreement was updated on June 13 2013. Could I use this as a way out of my contract. Without a early termination fee? Have read it's possible just wasn't a 100% sure.
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Chances are it will affect future contracts and renewals. Probably won't be able to get out of your current one because of it.
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Well sprint got into huge trouble about changing the etf about 1-2 years ago but that dealt with money. What was changed about it? And were you notified about the change
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Not sure what changed, been reading it over and over and am trying to find my original receipt to compare them. I had the customer agreement bookmarked and was checking randomly to see if it changes, but it does state that I have 60 days from the change date to agree and if not their would be no penalties. Atleast that's how I understood it. Just thought maybe someone else had got out of a contract this way before and had some insite. Will probably just call them and work my way thru the chain if command and try.
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Without even reading it I'd say no. Verizon has been excellent at not changing anything that would allow people out of their contract.
You have a link?
Spent about 2 hours on the phone earlier, the change was in reference to the 24 month upgrade change so no go. Even talked to 3 different supervisors. Guess I'll just pay the etf . thanks for the replys.
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Don't pay the etf. Try and get someone to do an aol.
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What is a aol? U talking having someone take my contract over?
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What is a aol? U talking having someone take my contract over?
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Just taking a wild guess at this that AOL means assumption of liability. Any advantages to your contract. How many lines is it? By advantages I'm meaning like you got the double data or still have a grandfathered line. With only six months left I'm guessing your ETF is just a couple hundred bucks.
I don't know if you're going to be changing to a different carrier but if that's something you will be doing in the future, someone with some connections might be able to use the ETF as a negotiation tool to get you some special discounts.
Might just look into this aol thing. Btw, I have 2 line double data. One line ends march 2014 the other November 2014
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A couple of friends of mine were discussing this a while back, I don't know what really came of it but it might be worth a shot. Find a really rural out in the middle of nowhere spot that has no chance of having coverage and tell Verizon that you are moving there and that you would appreciate them letting you out of your contract unless they can provide service to you out there. Like I said, I don't know if it works, they were just talking about it and it was suggested.
If the contact terms apply to your account, they are obligated to let you out of your contract if you disagree with the terms. This is because the contract you signed originally is not what your new contact would be. By not saying anything you agree to the changes and it continues. A contract by definition protects you. If you don't agree with a change you can get out of it. If the change is for new contracts then it won't effect you and thus you cannot use this to your advantage. Hopefully this helps. It is applicable in any contract agreement.
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The trick is to tell them you do not agree with the new contract terms, not that you want to cancel. If they ask if you want to cancel, you must say no, and reiterate that you are informing them that you do not agree with the new terms, also that you are recording the call for legal verification.
If you do not wish to cancel, but do not agree to the new terms, they can only allow you to continue under the old terms, which is illegal, or they can terminate your service. No ETF if they do it. Problem is that most reps you talk to will not be aware of the legal mechanics.
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Verizon dictators
I'm sure Verizon has a huge legal team which writes and looks over it a million times before before it is put into effect.
If you do get out of it somehow, let us know! I'm jealous! :good:
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A couple of friends of mine were discussing this a while back, I don't know what really came of it but it might be worth a shot. Find a really rural out in the middle of nowhere spot that has no chance of having coverage and tell Verizon that you are moving there and that you would appreciate them letting you out of your contract unless they can provide service to you out there. Like I said, I don't know if it works, they were just talking about it and it was suggested.
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I do believe your current address on the account has to be changed to that new area before that even becomes a possibility due to the fact that when you send an inquiry like that, Verizon sends a team to check the towers and signal strength in your primary location. Therefore your primary location is that of your home and I believe work is encompassed in this as well. I spend a month dealing with Verizon and their towers and 4G LTE dropping from my old Razr. They sent out 3 tickets in the coarse of a month to check towers.Yet only changed my phone and refused to let me out of my contract since there was no issue with the towers or signal strength in my area.