What exactly does this mean for us and rooting? The law seems extremely vague. Any answer would be greatly appreciated
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What exactly does this mean for us and rooting? The law seems extremely vague. Any answer would be greatly appreciated
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Your post is extremely vague also. I have no idea what you're even asking
Pretty sure he is talking about unlocking cell phones becoming illegal on Saturday.
Means nothing to us tablet users. Our tablets aren't phones. From my understanding its more to prevent people from using phones on networks they aren't meant for.
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Your post is extremely vague also. I have no idea what you're even asking
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Read some news. Its all over everything unless you happen to know of another law kicking into gear on the 26th.
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Pretty sure he is talking about unlocking cell phones becoming illegal on Saturday.
Means nothing to us tablet users. Our tablets aren't phones. From my understanding its more to prevent people from using phones on networks they aren't meant for.
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Thanks for the response. The wording is just so... Special its hard to make heads or tails of it.
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Pretty sure he is talking about unlocking cell phones becoming illegal on Saturday.
Means nothing to us tablet users. Our tablets aren't phones. From my understanding its more to prevent people from using phones on networks they aren't meant for.
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Please elaborate, what the **** is wrong with those bastards? I bought my device and I do whatever I want with it.
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Please elaborate, what the **** is wrong with those bastards? I bought my device and I do whatever I want with it.
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And you still can but what this prevents you from doing is unlocking your phone and walking over to competing mobile provider B. and activating a phone with them that was originally only meant to work on mobile provider A. This is actually a good thing for Google.
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And you still can but what this prevents you from doing is unlocking your phone and walking over to competing mobile provider B. and activating a phone with them that was originally only meant to work on mobile provider A. This is actually a good thing for Google.
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Actually this is just made to screw us customers and to help huge corporations in their never ending quest to get more money off us.
If someone buys a phone with a provider and switches it's because said provider didn't fit the needs of the customer needs, having choices is not bad at all.
The damn government is full of selfish bastards that just care about filling their pockets with bribes, this clearly doesn't help anyone.
Big Brother is not going to beat your door down because you unlocked your phone. Sorry if I ruin anyones day by posting that but unless you run a business doing that I wouldn't even sweat over it
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Big Brother is not going to beat your door down because you unlocked your phone. Sorry if I ruin anyones day by posting that but unless you run a business doing that I wouldn't even sweat over it
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The Galaxy unlock apps from the store might be banned and if we aren't lucky all of the *unlock your device* threads here in XDA will be gone too.
Here is an article and snippet that mentions tablets:
"Digital Millennium Copyright Act will make it illegal to jailbreak and unlock phones. According to the act, it is illegal to unlock both tablets and phones without permission from your wireless provider. ... Unfortunately, that window closes on Saturday, January 26th."
http://www.tmonews.com/2013/01/dmca-law-to-make-unlocking-phones-illegal-after-january-26th/
Of course any tablet without cell network connectivity or purchased from a cell provider is exempt.
so does this leave cyanogen mod in a tight spot? or can we still swap roms and stick with the current carrier?
I don't live in the US but it infuriates me when the government screws the people it's supposed to protect.
I sure hope none of you guys votes for the fags who passed this.
I agree it's a crock. Do we purchase the phone/tablet or rent it? If we are truly purchasing the phone then all they SHOULD be able to do is void our warranty.
This has nothing to do with rooting your phone or switching roms. The interpretation of the law is saying that you cannot take (for example) an AT&T phone that you bought on contract and unlock it to run on T-mobile without AT&T's permission. If you cancel your contract or it is up, AT&T says they will give you the unlock then.
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This has nothing to do with rooting your phone or switching roms. The interpretation of the law is saying that you cannot take (for example) an AT&T phone that you bought on contract and unlock it to run on T-mobile without AT&T's permission. If you cancel your contract or it is up, AT&T says they will give you the unlock then.
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Exactly.. It's not unfair, the `man' isn't holding you down and it's definitely not aliens..
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Exactly.. It's not unfair, the `man' isn't holding you down and it's definitely not aliens..
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Wasn't really worried about them holding me down... was more of a question of what is allowed and isn't... damn wording is so vague... i prefer the cyanogen roms... typically run much better than stock.
As long as i can still do that... i am happy.
Never know an alien could have provided blueprints for your phone
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Dont think it'll be enforced
I honestly dont think this law will be enforced.
Here in South Africa its illegal for the cellphone providers to lock the phones to the network. I guess lucky us.
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The provider sates "purchasing" the phone, and we all sign contracts with stated penalties for early termination. So basically they were able to convince the gov't to make a law to change the contract we already had with the provider.
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This isnt talking about rooting your phone, it is about unlocking which network it can be connected to. There are probably less than 1% of people in the US who ever unlock their phone to move them to a different carrier. Everyone in the US buys a new phone with a new contract, and most of the pay as you go stuff is unlocked anyway since you have to enter the APN info yourself or have a service rep do it.
The law itself is retarded and unneeded, and also shouldnt be within the realm of what government is allowed to say you can or cant do. But really it makes not one bit of different to just about anyone.
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So, looking to upgrade and kick Sprint to the curb after 12 years with Nextel, and Ting is looking like a really fine service as far as four line family plans go. I'm kicking around my HTC Hero, (CM7, gonna try ICS Beta for it's last huzzah.) and was looking for a more powerful Android. Was thinking about getting a feature phone or a mifi, and complementing it with a Galaxy Player. But the Photon looks really, really nice all of a sudden, with 4G and GSM compatibility. Toss in the best specs on a month-to-month phone that I've seen, I'm seriously considering dropping $550 on this thing. Please talk me out of it?
I don't know if you are in the states, but US gsm towers are blocked.
Edit: The photon is featured in their front page, and it gives incorrect/conflicting information about the phone.
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^ Yeah, I know that. Kinda hoping that might be unblocked by the time I'm interested in it, if I want to jump to T-Mobile in the future. I know it's a long shot, but it would be nice to have.
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I don't know if you are in the states, but US gsm towers are blocked.
Edit: The photon is featured in their front page, and it gives incorrect/conflicting information about the phone.
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talking about the awesome 1.2ghz cpu we have?
i sent them numerous emails about it :/ lady was real nice but kept claiming they had fixed it
Seriously? Probably should have caught that earlier with all the looking up I did on the phone.
Just get Ting are you in Canada?
Stateside. And with the Photon kinda being oversold on the Ting website, and not that great a bump from the Conquer, dual core nonwithstanding, I'm still a little confuzled on what I want.
How future-proof would you say this thing is, regarding still being competitive in the next couple years? Tend to run them until they dead or unserviceable, and if blow a massive chunk of my tax return, might as well make it last a while.
Experience with Ting thus far...
Hi all,
I recently changed carriers from AT&T (using Motorola Atrix 4G) to Ting (Motorola Photon 4G) and I have recently unlocked the bootloader (yes, I lost 4G connectivity), rooted, and installed the latest version of Rocko ROM with Alien Theme.
Everything has worked out so far and I am having a good experience with the device and with Ting Mobile, from their no wait phone service policy, to their dashboard web interface. I can't really speak to the relative degree of future proofing the Photon may have compared to other phones, I am just happy that I could get away from paying so much for a similar tier of service at AT&T and not necessarily have to compromise on a phone, though not being able to use GSM towers with a prepaid SIM card is a bummer, but otherwise, so far so good. Take care all.
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Stateside. And with the Photon kinda being oversold on the Ting website, and not that great a bump from the Conquer, dual core nonwithstanding, I'm still a little confuzled on what I want.
How future-proof would you say this thing is, regarding still being competitive in the next couple years? Tend to run them until they dead or unserviceable, and if blow a massive chunk of my tax return, might as well make it last a while.
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No phone is future proof the way things are flowing manufacturers are cracking phones out of their ass every 3 months or so. You have to look at the development threads that will tell you how active the phone is on the developers on xda are and that should give you an insight on how worth it is.
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Thanks all. Think I'm gonna go with the Optimus for now and wait for my laptop to start losing to the newer phones before I drop big money. Should kick the crap out of my Hero, and I'm happy if it can run Peggle and Netflix when it comes down to it. Thanks all.
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TING??? just checked them out, no thank you, $6 a month just for my phone being active?????......hog wash
Never heard of Ting until this post. Does anyone have a system dump of a ting photon?
There's something interesting in that system dump I believe.
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Never heard of Ting until this post. Does anyone have a system dump of a ting photon?
There's something interesting in that system dump I believe.
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Sprint MVNO no different flashfile
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TING??? just checked them out, no thank you, $6 a month just for my phone being active?????......hog wash
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Thy are legit
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Sprint MVNO no different flashfile
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I disagree. Just because it's a mobile virtual network operator doesn't mean the the files are the same. On the contrary, I'd bet anyone using one of these device could confirm their notification bar and lock screen show Ting as the carrier, not sprint, which means at a minimum the framework-res/eri.xml has been edited, meaning it's not the same file despite being on "technically" the same network.
I'd like to see a system dump of one of these. I think there are magic elves locked inside
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I disagree. Just because it's a mobile virtual network operator doesn't mean the the files are the same. On the contrary, I'd bet anyone using one of these device could confirm their notification bar and lock screen show Ting as the carrier, not sprint, which means at a minimum the framework-res/eri.xml has been edited, meaning it's not the same file despite being on "technically" the same network.
I'd like to see a system dump of one of these. I think there are magic elves locked inside
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They are running the same sbf as sprint
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They are running the same sbf as sprint
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Yep, looks that way. I spoke to a ting "tech specialist" who confirmed they use a carrier forced profile for network services
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Thy are legit
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what?? i'm not saying they aren't. i'm saying that it a waste of money, to pay them $6 a month plus whatever it costs to not have unlimited anything to have a phone, plus they're a sprint child company like boost mobile and virgin mobile, so your better off just staying with sprint to begin with
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Yep, looks that way. I spoke to a ting "tech specialist" who confirmed they use a carrier forced profile for network services
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lol I was the one that told you that ;P
First order of business.....
please unlock bootloader with working 4g.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/weve-acquired-motorola-mobility.html?m=1
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Hmm, so what will be next? They must have a big plan. I can't wait for some news.
Sounds like definitely plan to start making their own phones. Come on Motorola nexus!!!!!!
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I hope something big and new. Why else, buy it.
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Amen, brothers! Praise Larry & Sergey!
My Photon is now officially pulled from eBay (for at least a few days) just in case Google decides to earn our love & loyalty forever by unlocking our bootloaders ASAP
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I hope something big and new. Why else, buy it.
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access to patents to tell Apple and M$ to suck it.
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access to patents to tell Apple and M$ to suck it.
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You would be absoutly correct, Google and Larry Page could care less about Motorola or a cell phone. What they do care about is the 6000 (or is it 16,000?) patents that Motorola owns! Right now, Apple is sueing everyone for infringements, thats getting read to change real fast!!!
I dont know if you guys know this, Motorola was around L-O-N-G before Sammy, HTC, Apple, Noika, all of them. They held all these patents but never really enforced them for whatever reason. If you remember, Apple went after Motorola with its Lawyer Goons with this Paten crap. I guess Motorola did not have the balls to fight, but Larry Page has bigger Goons! F**k, motorola has patent on the old bag phone of the late 80's! So if they every come back........
Correct - this is all about now owning patents.
Means little or nothing about current phones.
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Amen, brothers! Praise Larry & Sergey!
My Photon is now officially pulled from eBay (for at least a few days) just in case Google decides to earn our love & loyalty forever by unlocking our bootloaders ASAP
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lol
by field testing a new bootloader or at the very least a new bootloader unlock tool? cuz im sure that wont take a few months to pass carrier testing etc...
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First order of business.....
please unlock bootloader with working 4g.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/weve-acquired-motorola-mobility.html?m=1
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i couldn't agree with you more. i am really looking forward to having ics... either by update of by unlocked bootloader and flashing cm9
#ICS-lessMotorolaElectrify, ThanksMotorolaForYourIgnorance
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by field testing a new bootloader or at the very least a new bootloader unlock tool? cuz im sure that wont take a few months to pass carrier testing etc...
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yeah i hope it will be soon cant wait to unlock with working 4g...or unlock with boost
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yeah i hope it will be soon cant wait to unlock with working 4g...or unlock with boost
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Boost?
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yeah i hope it will be soon cant wait to unlock with working 4g...or unlock with boost
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Lol you can put the photon on pretty much any carrier now. Atm I have my photon on page plus (verizon). I'm pretty sure boost is on the sprint network so 3g or 4g might work (as long as your boot loader is locked). To get on another cdma carrier all you got to do for the most part is flash alother prl.
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Lol you can put the photon on pretty much any carrier now. Atm I have my photon on page plus (verizon). I'm pretty sure boost is on the sprint network so 3g or 4g might work (as long as your boot loader is locked). To get on another cdma carrier all you got to do for the most part is flash alother prl.
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Does that include Virgin Mobile? Haven't heard of a successful swap to that yet.
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Does that include Virgin Mobile? Haven't heard of a successful swap to that yet.
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I guess that could be real possible. If I remember right they use Sprint's towers.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
I hope I'm wrong but I really doubt this will affect prior devices like the Photon, Atrix, etc.
I can imagine future devices having prompt updates, perhaps vanilla android, but seems unlikely they'd suddenly decide to move the ICS Q4 update to sooner out of the bottom of their hearts.
Guys, here is the most informative article I have read on the subject from AndroidPolice. This guy is a Law Student in California and explains the good and the bad of the marriage. Enjoy!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-look-back-at-the-deal-and-what-happens-next/
seems unlikely they'd suddenly decide to move the ICS Q4 update to sooner out of the bottom of their hearts.
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Expecting ICS sooner is unrealistic. Expecting unlocked bootloaders for existing phones so we can do it ourselves is another matter entirely.
As far as carrier approval goes, remember that there's a fundamental difference culturally between Motorola and Google. Motorola wouldn't even contemplate releasing an unlocker unless the carriers demanded and paid for it. Google will have its lawyers read the sales & maintenance contract it has with the carriers, and do it anyway as long as there's no clause in that contract explicitly prohibiting them from doing it.
In practical terms, that probably means Sprint and T-Mobile will have official unlockers within weeks, and AT&T & Verizon will never get them. However, I'll bet there will be some VERY interesting tidbits of info in the Sprint unlockers that might prove useful to someone at XDA trying to write one for a Verizon phone... ;-)
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Guys, here is the most informative article I have read on the subject from AndroidPolice. This guy is a Law Student in California and explains the good and the bad of the marriage. Enjoy!
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...-look-back-at-the-deal-and-what-happens-next/
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as long add they unlock my bootloader so i can have a blurless ics rom i think id be pretty dang happy at least until jellybean comes out lol
#ICS-lessMotorolaElectrify, ThanksMotorolaForYourIgnorance
tnx
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Lol you can put the photon on pretty much any carrier now. Atm I have my photon on page plus (verizon). I'm pretty sure boost is on the sprint network so 3g or 4g might work (as long as your boot loader is locked). To get on another cdma carrier all you got to do for the most part is flash alother prl.
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tnx for the info... im going to look into it i still have 6 months before my contract with sprint will end.so i still have a lot of time to figure this out
Both AT&T and Verizon appear to be equal in almost every aspect in my area( Coverage, cost of the plan I need, subsidized phone cost), so that leaves the 1 question that really matters:
Which is easier both to root, and even more importantly, unroot to the point I can still use my warranty?
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Both AT&T and Verizon appear to be equal in almost every aspect in my area( Coverage, cost of the plan I need, subsidized phone cost), so that leaves the 1 question that really matters:
Which is easier both to root, and even more importantly, unroot to the point I can still use my warranty?
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As of right now there seemed to be no root for the Verizon version.
It's a cake walk for the At&t GS3
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It's a cake walk for the At&t GS3
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I know you can root without tripping the counter, but I thought roms still did. Am I wrong?
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I know you can root without tripping the counter, but I thought roms still did. Am I wrong?
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Flashing ROMs will not trip the counter...anything flashed thru CWM won't trip it. ODIN does...someone please correct me if I'm wrong..pretty sure I'm right tho.
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Flashing ROMs will not trip the counter...anything flashed thru CWM won't trip it. ODIN does...someone please correct me if I'm wrong..pretty sure I'm right tho.
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AWESOME! Now, it just needs to get easier(perhaps a one click solution or one done entirely from the phone). Hopefully by the time I get it mid august it'll be easier. The only pain in the ass is that, currently, it requires windows, does it not?
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AWESOME! Now, it just needs to get easier(perhaps a one click solution or one done entirely from the phone). Hopefully by the time I get it mid august it'll be easier. The only pain in the ass is that, currently, it requires windows, does it not?
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Windows? After you actually have the phone in your hand and have read and searched the forums, let us know how things are going. Happy to help with the basics.
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Windows? After you actually have the phone in your hand and have read and searched the forums, let us know how things are going. Happy to help with the basics.
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Microsoft Windows, the os. It is required to do the no trip counter method right? I ask because I use linux full time.
Verizon has a locked boot loader and doesn't have Sims
Att (correct me if I'm wrong ) has ****ty lte coverage
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Verizon has a locked boot loader and doesn't have Sims
Att (correct me if I'm wrong ) has ****ty lte coverage
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Well, in an area where my options are 'not LTE with Verizon' and 'Not LTE, but at least HSPA+ with AT&T' AND Verizon proceeds to lock the bootloader... I'm dropping Verizon after 6 years!
Think about it Verizon has a fast roll out of lte
Also after you've been a customer for a while you get special benefits
I know on sprint when I can't pay the bill on time I can just call and ask for a extension of about a week or so
This way my cell still has network access
As much as I like to pay my bills on time some times I can't and this helps
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Think about it Verizon has a fast roll out of lte
Also after you've been a customer for a while you get special benefits
I know on sprint when I can't pay the bill on time I can just call and ask for a extension of about a week or so
This way my cell still has network access
As much as I like to pay my bills on time some times I can't and this helps
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At&t has stretched my payment date by over two weeks before...as long as I make the promised payment they will do it every month and won't even charge me a late fee...
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The thing is you were on the carrier for a while
I heard that they don't do this to new customers
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The thing is you were on the carrier for a while
I heard that they don't do this to new customers
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And even if they didn't, I plan to pay 6-10 months at once with student loans.
I wouldn't even consider Verizon with this whole bootloader issue. I say AT&T.
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I wouldn't even consider Verizon with this whole bootloader issue. I say AT&T.
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I've concluded the same as well, but do I get a 2 yr contract, or buy the device outright and do $45/mo on straight talk?
Can someone who has the S3 with AT&T confirm the bootloader is unlocked. I am switching from Verizon and just want to make sure.
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Can someone who has the S3 with AT&T confirm the bootloader is unlocked. I am switching from Verizon and just want to make sure.
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The bootloader is unlocked. I have Sprint but take my word on it, it's unlocked.
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The bootloader is unlocked. I have Sprint but take my word on it, it's unlocked.
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I believe you and thanks. I am talking with a AT&T sales rep who said he knows what a bootloader is, but he is telling me it's locked. I don't have the S3 in my hands yet, but is there a way to check?
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I believe you and thanks. I am talking with a AT&T sales rep who said he knows what a bootloader is, but he is telling me it's locked. I don't have the S3 in my hands yet, but is there a way to check?
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He can say the sky is purple it does not matter. The AT&T Galaxy S3 has an UNLOCKED bootloader. People already told you. If you don't believe them then stop asking.
This should be pinned to every general section in this on this site.
Sign this petition to keep unlocking legal. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414699,00.asp
Starting Saturday, it will be illegal for you to unlock your phone without permission from your wireless carrier.
The rule change dates back to an October decision from the Library of Congress's Copyright Office, which gave consumers a 90-day window to unlock their phones without carrier permission. That 90-day period, however, ends this weekend.
The Copyright Office reviews the rules on unlocking (and jailbreaking) every three years, as required by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). This time around, regulators found that "there are ample alternatives to circumvention. That is, the marketplace has evolved such that there is now a wide array of unlocked phone options available to consumers."
Some groups, however, had requested an exemption that would allow people to unlock their phones at will "because some devices sold by carriers are permanently locked and because unlocking policies contain restrictions and may not apply to all of a carrier's devices."
The Copyright Office, however, determined that "with respect to newly purchased phones, proponents had not satisfied their burden of showing adverse effects related to a technological protection measure."
That's likely because there are currently a variety of options when it comes to unlocking your phone. Verizon CDMA phones, for example, have unlocked SIM card slots. The 4G LTE Verizon iPhone 5 also includes an unlocked SIM. Last year, AT&T started allowing non-contract iPhone users to unlock their devices for use on other GSM networks. You can also opt to buy unlocked phones for a higher price.
Still, the Copyright Office recognized that it's not as easy to unlock an older phone as it is a newer one - "in part because an older or expired contract might not require the carrier to cooperate."
As a result, regulators gave consumers that 90-day window, starting Oct. 28, to unlock their phone without carrier permission. The move "is both warranted and unlikely to harm the market," the office concluded.
The unlocking issue differs from jailbreaking. In its same October ruling, regulators upheld rules that allow for jailbreaking, which allows you to run unapproved applications. Jailbreaking is most often mentioned in conjunction with the iPhone because Apple has strict control over which apps it allows into its App Store. If you jailbreak your device, you could run an app not available in the App Store on your iPhone, but the very act of jailbreaking voids your warranty, so you better know what you're doing.
The Copyright Office, however, declined to extend its jailbreaking rules to tablets because it found that the proposed definition of the device was too broad.
Wow. What has this world come to. That's a communist way of looking at electronics. I wish we knew more about what will happen if you have your carriers permission to unlock.
On a second reading, it looks like this only applies to unlocking the sim. It doesn't say bootloader...
Maybe we'll still be able to dev for these amazing devices
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yeah its sim unlock only, so you cant run it on another network, which is still absolute BS.
Signed. Freedom after purchase is a very big part of living in a free society. If you can't do what you want with your property what's the point in calling it yours
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This is the Rezound forum. The Rezound is only sold through Verizon Wireless. VZW has never locked their phones to work only on their network.
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This is the Rezound forum. The Rezound is only sold through Verizon Wireless. VZW has never locked their phones to work only on their network.
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Someone obviously missed the point...
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this does not matter just purchase an unlocked phone like i did the htc rezound and besides all lte phone must be unlocked according to fcc rules. for the rules.
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this does not matter just purchase an unlocked phone like i did the htc rezound and besides all lte phone must be unlocked according to fcc rules. for the rules.
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Bootloader must be unlockable yes, but sim cards no. They will have control over your ability to use a phone on a network of your choosing
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As if this will stop anyone. Just like how gun laws prevent shootings...
socal87 said:
As if this will stop anyone. Just like how gun laws prevent shootings...
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You may own the phone, but your service provider can cut you off it you violate their rules. They'll tell you too bad.. Go try the next provider your just a number
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But wait a sec,
If you buy the phone on contract for the lowered price then technically you don't own the phone right? So the carrier would decide?
Don't forget to sign the death star petition as well. If ur not familiar with that petition then shame on u.
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saintsfan09 said:
Don't forget to sign the death star petition as well. If ur not familiar with that petition then shame on u.
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Didn't that one end? They responded to it and it was amazing...let me see if I can find it
edit: here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking
heyis4horses said:
Didn't that one end? They responded to it and it was amazing...let me see if I can find it
edit: here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking
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How sad. I didn't know it ended already. I really thought this petition would be successful. Shows u how messed up this countries priorities r when we can't even get the government to commit necessary resources to building a death star. My generation will get this done. Guaranteed. Clever response from the White House though. I will concede that much
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How sad. I didn't know it ended already. I really thought this petition would be successful. Shows u how messed up this countries priorities r when we can't even get the government to commit necessary resources to building a death star. My generation will get this done. Guaranteed. Clever response from the White House though. I will concede that much
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I could not be happier with their response unless it was a picture of a death star in construction
When I'm President, my first move in office will to order funds for R&D into the creation of a Deathstar. I hope to vaporize those damn Martians by my 2nd term...
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Your info isn't entirely true. This law only pertains to phones purchased when the law goes in to effect. Any phones purchased before the law going in to effect is exempted.
Personally I would just buy a nexus 4 if I was going to carrier hop and know everything will work right. I do agree its stupid as if you own your phone outright you should be able to use it as you see fit. After all you can modify your car any way you want so why cant phpnes be the same way?
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heyis4horses said:
Didn't that one end? They responded to it and it was amazing...let me see if I can find it
edit: here https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/response/isnt-petition-response-youre-looking
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They are the government as they don't know a parsec is a measurement in distance and not time lol.
I really thought they would go for the ideal of building a death star. I mean come on it wastes money like the government seems to love to do. Plus all Americans could move in to it and then they could blow the earth up and take care of that pesky illegal immigration problem in one shot. Then we could be the ultimate power in the universe lol.
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So, I've been doing some research on this, and there are a lot of misconceptions about this that need to be cleared up.
First, this seems to only apply to new phones sold after the effective date. Second, this by itself does not make unlocking a phone illegal. This decision simply states that the DMCA doesn't grant an automatic exemption to unlocking according to the interpretation of the Library of Congress, not that it's illegal. That means that the carriers can sue people for unlocking if they choose to do so, and it would then be up to the court to decide whether or not it's legal.
What would happen if it did go to court? The EFF would likely step forward to help the defense of the first defendant. Possibly other groups as well. The carriers and their industry groups would fund the prosecution. In the current legal landscape, it would likely be decided favor of the carriers, however, despite what you're reading, that hasn't actually been decided yet.
https://www.eff.org/is-it-illegal-to-unlock-a-phone
Yes Verizon has had phones that only work on their network... My HTC Eris didn't have a removable sim card.
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justjayhere said:
Yes Verizon has had phones that only work on their network... My HTC Eris didn't have a removable sim card.
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Because it's a CDMA phone, they don't use sim cards.
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Worth a signature for s&g's response at the least.
http://wh.gov/VfI8
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Worth a signature for s&g's response at the least.
http://wh.gov/VfI8
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Signed.
Such acts shouldn't be aloud to continue in consumerism.
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You misspelled allowed which is strange because you spelled it correctly elsewhere. You do realize that the executive branch does not make the laws? If you want consumer protection then don't cry to the President, cry to your local, state, and federal legislators but even they aren't going to help you because you live in a capitalist country.
Most manufacturers claim they lock the bootloader because the carrier demands it. That seems to be the case with AT&T and Verizon but Sprint and T-Mobile have been pretty lax about bootloaders on other devices. If you really want to make change you gotta put your money where your mouth is. Avoid all devices that don't ship with unlockable bootloaders. Don't fall for that bull**** manufacturers feed you about promising to unlock the bootloader at a later time, you've seen how far promises get you right? Buy phones with bootloaders which can be unlocked immediately. I've ditched my Photon for a Galaxy Nexus and I don't regret it for an instant.
Money is the only thing that matters to these corporations. Buy a nexus and avoid carrier subsidized phones like the plague. Don't renew your contract with Sprint and move to a prepaid GSM network as soon as possible.