If Sony had half a brain they would make the next S firmware turn it in to an SL with the mild speed bump but they wont because they aren't that generous so my question is will the S be able to run the SL ROM from the off do you think?
If you mean just bumping the clocks, you can do that with root. If you mean firmwares, it should be the same.
The motherboard will probably be different too.
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If you mean just bumping the clocks, you can do that with root. If you mean firmwares, it should be the same.
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Not really what i meant, i just wondered if Sony would do the decent thing and give the owners of its flagship model an official treat if you like given all the reports suggest it is the same hardware. They dont have anything to lose, no S owner in his right mind is going to buy a SL so they are not going to be losing sales.
My bootloader is unlockable but ill be honest i have had a gut full of installing different firmwares over the last few years trying to find the perfect one for my current device.
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Not really what i meant, i just wondered if Sony would do the decent thing and give the owners of its flagship model an official treat if you like given all the reports suggest it is the same hardware. They dont have anything to lose, no S owner in his right mind is going to buy a SL so they are not going to be losing sales.
My bootloader is unlockable but ill be honest i have had a gut full of installing different firmwares over the last few years trying to find the perfect one for my current device.
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The firmware will be the same, that's what I mean. There will be no reason to flash SL firmware, because it'll be the same.
How bout flash the kernal
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How bout flash the kernal
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Why would you want that?
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What's up guys
I'm considering getting an Atrix when it eventually hits Europe, but people always talk about Motorola's locked bootloader. What does that actually mean? Does it mean custom ROMs are impossible? I love the look of this phone but I'd like to be able to modify it if I can't live with the supposedly-awful Motoblur.
Thanks for reading,
jennan
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What's up guys
I'm considering getting an Atrix when it eventually hits Europe, but people always talk about Motorola's locked bootloader. What does that actually mean? Does it mean custom ROMs are impossible? I love the look of this phone but I'd like to be able to modify it if I can't live with the supposedly-awful Motoblur.
Thanks for reading,
jennan
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please search forums before starting new topics
this question and discussion is in almost every topic under atrix in all categories and is cluttering up badly
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=957461
But this thread is straight forward and good for noobs.
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IN SHORT.
It pretty much means you can't change the KERNEL .. which means you're limited to customization to the phone. (e.g. No cyanogenmod, No MIUI, no community upgrades to gingerbread or honeycomb etc., no custom ditbits that only a kernel can provide).
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IN SHORT.
It pretty much means you can't change the KERNEL .. which means you're limited to customization to the phone. (e.g. No cyanogenmod, No MIUI, no community upgrades to gingerbread or honeycomb etc., no custom ditbits that only a kernel can provide).
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Locked you can, encrypted you can't. All phones come locked bootloader. So we are praying that its locked and not encryped although it will likely be encrypted
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Why would they do this?
Surely they know most users will want this feature... Once they save sold it, what it is to them..?
Maybe I'm missing something here?
EDIT: Posted this on the wrong thread. Please delete.
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Why would they do this?
Surely they know most users will want this feature... Once they save sold it, what it is to them..?
Maybe I'm missing something here?
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Wrong. Few users even know about locked/encrypted bootloaders. We are a very small minority who cares about this issue.
One thing you'll note if you look around the forums are people still using older model phones like the 8525 which have lost support from the manufacturer a long time ago. Keeping legacy hardware current is costly to manufacturers due to development costs and from competitors releasing newer model phones. Look at what happened to Motorola when they clung to the Razr. They have to keep up with the others. Every sale lost is a potential profit gain for the competition. So they always have a "newer/better model" right around the corner. Keeping their boot loaders encrypted is an attempt at forcing the user to upgrade by limiting the amount of development required to keep the phone current. Even though we are a minority, we are still viewed as lost profit if we are still staying attached to our old phones when newer models are released.
How long is it till we can expect a route on the stock firmwares with overclocking abilities etc. The only thing stopping me flashing to other kernels is I wouldn't want a £500 brick for 2 years of the contract especially when it says insecure kernel, and I rather like the touchwiz UI, stock android is the reason I "lost" my x10i to get a new phone.
what type of thread title is this ?!?!?
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what type of thread title is this ?!?!?
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even i'm regretting that title.. but way to stay on topic atleast
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even i'm regretting that title.. but way to stay on topic atleast
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yes sorry haha, you can always edit your post , so ppl will come to the thread
just wait a while, we will get plenty of dev support, custom kernels etc! come on! look at the size of the community it is already quite large, and the phone hasnt even been released in the US yet! wait till or the carriers get the phone in US!
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How long is it till we can expect a route on the stock firmwares with overclocking abilities etc. The only thing stopping me flashing to other kernels is I wouldn't want a £500 brick for 2 years of the contract especially when it says insecure kernel, and I rather like the touchwiz UI, stock android is the reason I "lost" my x10i to get a new phone.
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You only need the insecure kernel to root the device and then you flash back the normal kernel for the firmware.
well a couple of weeks ago i asked this question and i was comparing things between some devices and thank you guys you helped me figure a lot of things out and i finally decided that iam getting the atrix 4g no doubt it's an awesome super powerful phone but how bad is it to buy an outdated phone " almost 1.5 years old " ? and i also wanted to know if there is any chance that Motorola will abandon releasing the ics update ? !! beacuse as bad as i wanna wait for the update to come out before i buy the device i can't soo if you told me that it's 100% sure the the update is coming out iam buying the phone next week ... and some thing ealse i wanted to clarify i read on the motorolla website that the update coming in Q3 2012 is just for at&t and i live in egypt so obviously there is no at&t here and from what i understand i won't be able to update OTA and i just wanted to know what will be the availlable options for me then to update rather than waitng for the international update which has no specified date yet ? !!! and something more does the Atrix 4g has any common hardware problems as i'll be bootloader unlocking my phone maybe 2 weeks after i get it ( i mean because of voiding the warranty and this stuff ) ?
and thank i guys again in advance u rock :good:
You need to search around a bit more next time. These answers are relatively easy to find:
-I think the general consensus is that people here are happy with their phones but if you can spend more to get a phone with better specs, not potentially have a problem buying an Atrix with a locked bootloader, not have to deal with a company like nvidia, etc. then you might want to look elsewhere.
-There is NO proof that Motorola WON'T release ICS. There are still several other phones that fall in the Q3 schedule that also haven't been updated and we're still in Q3. Even if there's a small chance it won't be released, there's still the chance that drivers from other phones can be used to stabilize an Atrix rom.
-If you're already talking about unlocking the bootloader then you should know by now that OTA is completely irrelevant. You can flash the update as you would any other rom.
-Digitizer and wifi/bluetooth issues seem to be the biggest hardware problems. Unlocking a bootloader on any phone will void the warranty, but it's been the experience of many people that Motorola will still repair phones under warranty anyway. Every you decision you make, from buying a phone to crossing the street, is at your own risk.
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You need to search around a bit more next time. These answers are relatively easy to find:
-I think the general consensus is that people here are happy with their phones but if you can spend more to get a phone with better specs, not potentially have a problem buying an Atrix with a locked bootloader, not have to deal with a company like nvidia, etc. then you might want to look elsewhere.
-There is NO proof that Motorola WON'T release ICS. There are still several other phones that fall in the Q3 schedule that also haven't been updated and we're still in Q3. Even if there's a small chance it won't be released, there's still the chance that drivers from other phones can be used to stabilize an Atrix rom.
-If you're already talking about unlocking the bootloader then you should know by now that OTA is completely irrelevant. You can flash the update as you would any other rom.
-Digitizer and wifi/bluetooth issues seem to be the biggest hardware problems. Unlocking a bootloader on any phone will void the warranty, but it's been the experience of many people that Motorola will still repair phones under warranty anyway. Every you decision you make, from buying a phone to crossing the street, is at your own risk.
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Firstly thank you and i agree with you "You need to search around a bit more next time. These answers are relatively easy to find"
you are right most of my previous questions could be solved be googling it but the reason why i ask these questions is because i want an experience based answers because most of the times there is an indirect ways to do things .
- can u please explain what do u mean by " u don't have to deal with a company like nvidia " does nvidia suck this much ? !! and excuse me if i asked u to tell me what is the things that u hate the most or u see this phone lacks ? " hardware,software,community stuff,even support" and thank you so much :good:
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well a couple of weeks ago i asked this question and i was comparing things between some devices and thank you guys you helped me figure a lot of things out and i finally decided that iam getting the atrix 4g no doubt it's an awesome super powerful phone but how bad is it to buy an outdated phone " almost 1.5 years old " ? and i also wanted to know if there is any chance that Motorola will abandon releasing the ics update ? !! beacuse as bad as i wanna wait for the update to come out before i buy the device i can't soo if you told me that it's 100% sure the the update is coming out iam buying the phone next week ... and some thing ealse i wanted to clarify i read on the motorolla website that the update coming in Q3 2012 is just for at&t and i live in egypt so obviously there is no at&t here and from what i understand i won't be able to update OTA and i just wanted to know what will be the availlable options for me then to update rather than waitng for the international update which has no specified date yet ? !!! and something more does the Atrix 4g has any common hardware problems as i'll be bootloader unlocking my phone maybe 2 weeks after i get it ( i mean because of voiding the warranty and this stuff ) ?
and thank i guys again in advance u rock :good:
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If you still not buy the Atrix yet, then you still have a good choice to buy Galaxy Nexus, S2, Notes for your work smoothly.
ROM update is the most important part of Android OS. Try to google more and you can find out the real fact behind smile face of people here.:silly:
iximedaixi said:
- can u please explain what do u mean by " u don't have to deal with a company like nvidia " does nvidia suck this much ? !! and excuse me if i asked u to tell me what is the things that u hate the most or u see this phone lacks ? " hardware,software,community stuff,even support" and thank you so much :good:
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The common belief is that nvidia is the one holding up the drivers for Moto to use for ICS.
You'll probably find a few other threads (in fact, there's another one right on this page) where people will compare phone XYZ to the Atrix so you can see the benefits and disadvantages. It all depends on which specific phone you're comparing, as well as what exactly you need from your phone. Like anything else, this phone has several things few or no other phones have but also might fall short (screen, processor speed, etc.) in others. It's up to you to figure out what you need.
The good thing is that this community is surprisingly active, even for a phone that came out last year.
I'm not gonna quote all of that, but once AT&T releases ICS then EVERYONE will have it on CM9/10.
We only want ICS for the drivers to put into CM, and other custom ROMS. Trust me nobody here wants stock bloat...
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ccrows said:
I'm not gonna quote all of that, but once AT&T releases ICS then EVERYONE will have it on CM9/10.
We only want ICS for the drivers to put into CM, and other custom ROMS. Trust me nobody here wants stock bloat...
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I have Epinter's unofficial CM10 running on my Atrix 4G, the only reason I'm still anticipating the official ICS update is for the driver developers can use to get hardware acceleration working on CM10 :crying:
Are the One X Roms compatible with the new Nvidia 1.7GHz in the One X+,
Can we flash One X Roms to the One X+?
Thanks guys,
Alex
No, that's a pity, I know.
not yet,
from the knowladge i gatherd now it wont be to hard though to make it work.
just a couple of driver changes and some name changes in boot.img.
atleast, when they make jb roms. the ics roms prob wont work cause the bootloader is made for jb
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No, that's a pity, I know.
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miniterror said:
not yet,
from the knowladge i gatherd now it wont be to hard though to make it work.
just a couple of driver changes and some name changes in boot.img.
atleast, when they make jb roms. the ics roms prob wont work cause the bootloader is made for jb
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Thanks, @miniterror good logic, I guess so, I may just leave mine stock go for bid, o2 have really gained my respect there was only one piece of o2 bloatware on the phone which allowed you to install it! It gives you links to install the rest so may not even need to root here!
But getting flash withdrawal from the HD2 days
alex.odell.2011 said:
Thanks, @miniterror good logic, I guess so, I may just leave mine stock go for bid, o2 have really gained my respect there was only one piece of o2 bloatware on the phone which allowed you to install it! It gives you links to install the rest so may not even need to root here!
But getting flash withdrawal from the HD2 days
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ghehehe, i know the feeling.
im having aloan device now from ym insurance wich is a galaxy mini. really crappy device
i could go for the regular hox like i had but i thought better to wait for the hox+
as soon as i have it ill start playing although its still unsure when it will be available in holland:s
trying there support channels for holland but unfortionally they are letting me down and dont even reply anymore
hope itll be before the weekend:$
https://github.com/MiCode/Xiaomi_Kernel_OpenSource/tree/davinci-p-oss
Cool! Hope to see an official twrp build soon
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Cool! Hope to see an official twrp build soon
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oh jeah. Me too.
WOW!!! So fast!
Nice. Dev can working now on good stuff.
Home custom kernel and roms are out soon.
manan001 said:
Home custom kernel and roms are out soon.
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Sweet, are you basing it on aosp or some other custom line?
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Sweet, are you basing it on aosp or some other custom line?
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manan001 said:
Home custom kernel and roms are out soon.
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Hello , i am sorry to ask this kind of question. but are there any news about ?
Hello
I want to calm everybody down. This phone hasn´t been released yet in all countries. I bought it today as it was released today in Poland.
It will take time for devs to get the phone, wait for bootloader unblocking and then make something that at least boots and has WiFi.
I'm sure this phone will be popular, because there's not much difference between this and pro version.
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Hello
I want to calm everybody down. This phone hasn´t been released yet in all countries. I bought it today as it was released today in Poland.
It will take time for devs to get the phone, wait for bootloader unblocking and then make something that at least boots and has WiFi.
I'm sure this phone will be popular, because there's not much difference between this and pro version.
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Yes but K20/pro are quit long time in released, and much better support is for k20pro model, even in developer and stable chines firmwares. ( so it means in EU ROMs too. ) K20/pro models are exactly same as mi9t/pro, just missing band20 . we can use same roms.
I hope k20/mi9t will be popular as you said, but i am not so optimistic
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Yes but K20/pro are quit long time in released, and much better support is for k20pro model, even in developer and stable chines firmwares. ( so it means in EU ROMs too. ) K20/pro models are exactly same as mi9t/pro, just missing band20 . we can use same roms.
I hope k20/mi9t will be popular as you said, but i am not so optimistic
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Mi 9 SE already has custom roms, despite for being less popular and significantly worse than Mi 9T. We Will get something eventually
radogost said:
Hello
I want to calm everybody down. This phone hasn´t been released yet in all countries. I bought it today as it was released today in Poland.
It will take time for devs to get the phone, wait for bootloader unblocking and then make something that at least boots and has WiFi.
I'm sure this phone will be popular, because there's not much difference between this and pro version.
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Yeah, no much difference apart from completely different SOC. So, basically in terms of development, that makes it completely different and developing is being done from scratch. Especially if we take into consideration that SD 730 is quite new. So, sorry, but no sorry. The development will take time.
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Yeah, no much difference apart from completely different SOC. So, basically in terms of development, that makes it completely different and developing is being done from scratch. Especially if we take into consideration that SD 730 is quite new. So, sorry, but no sorry. The development will take time.
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Yeah, also in my opinion it would make sense that the two phones (k20 pro and the Mi9T) had different forums. Yes they are similar in hardware but the most important part, the SOC is entirely different.
The k20/mi9t has been launched in India, it's a bit overpriced here, many devs here aren't buying it probably, they are instead buying k20pro/mi 9t pro, so development might be slow and less.
In the near future there will be nothing custom?
There are some roms in development on this site:
https://mifirm.net/model/davinci.ttt#other-other
You can also get all the stable versions available (eu/china/global) and a twrp recovery there.
Has anyone started building roms?
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Has anyone started building roms?
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I was imagine you will build custom rom because of your previous post here
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Yeah, also in my opinion it would make sense that the two phones (k20 pro and the Mi9T) had different forums. Yes they are similar in hardware but the most important part, the SOC is entirely different.
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As far as i understand:
k20 = mi9t
(k20 pro = mi9t pro)