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Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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PaganAng3l said:
Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
wakestrong said:
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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ddgarcia05 said:
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
mbh87 said:
It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
garfnodie said:
How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
When I plug it into anything, nothing happens. Nothing happens when I push any combination of buttons. I think I flashed Entrophy's kernal in CWM while on Jugernaut 3.7
Not sure what to do, any ideas?
Tried to do a battery pull download mode?
While putting the battery back in, plug in the USB cable and volume down.
Or find a spare battery to test, or jig.
You flashed Juggernaut, for this phone?
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Spudnubs said:
When I plug it into anything, nothing happens. Nothing happens when I push any combination of buttons. I think I flashed Entrophy's kernal in CWM while on Jugernaut 3.7
Not sure what to do, any ideas?
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Given that Juggernaut 3.7 is for the T-Mobile T989, it is most likely what bricked your phone.
God only knows what trying to install it would do to an I777.
Believe that ROM included boot loaders which got you, well different mount points I believe as well. If you're within 30 days try talking your way into a replacement. If not then time to buy a new one and chalk it up to experience gained.
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Spudnubs said:
Not sure what to do, any ideas?
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You do have an I777, right?
I haven't seen anyone say anything about jtag for our phone, but if it was my phone, I think I'd look into jtag unbricking first, find out if it is possible, before replacing it.
There's a jtag for our phone from a trusted site. I'll pm you since I can't post link op
Pm sent.
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You do have an I777, right?
I haven't seen anyone say anything about jtag for our phone, but if it was my phone, I think I'd look into jtag unbricking first, find out if it is possible, before replacing it.
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I believe Connexion2005 does JTAG unbricks for the I777.
Actually, you're hosed. I saw in another one of your posts that you have the Telus "SGS 2 X" - which appears to be a rebadged T-Mobile T989 or maybe a rebadged ****rocket.
It has NOTHING in common with the I777. My kernel is ONLY for the SGH-I777. You probably overwrite something critical when you flashed something that was NOT intended for your phone. The T989 and ****rocket have a COMPLETELY different partition layout than the I9100 and I777.
I have no idea why you have been posting in the I777 forums and trying to flash I777 kernels when you don't have an I777, and you clearly knew this fact if you were running Juggernaut.
Spudnubs said:
Not sure what to do, any ideas?
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Take out insurance and smash it.
Paperweight or possibly a coaster
They just gave me another phone.
And Entrophy, you don't need to take it so personally man its not your fault and it seems like you are upset that this happened. But everything is fine so no worries
It's going to be because of morons like you that warranty returns on Android phones are going to become a lot harder in future. I hope you exchanged it for an iPhone or something.
Mind you, I have no love for the carriers, but this is just so wrong.
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Spudnubs said:
They just gave me another phone.
And Entrophy, you don't need to take it so personally man its not your fault and it seems like you are upset that this happened. But everything is fine so no worries
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Let me explain. Developers come to this forum to share ideas and give people the means to do things extraordinary with their devices that the manufacturers/carriers did not intend. The fact that you were flashing the WRONG software to your phone but included Entropy's name in the post, likely came off the wrong way.
Also take into account that people that abuse the system, yes, you're an abuser of the system, frustrate the rest of us honest customers. Next time I have a legitimate hardware issue that requires replacement and the rep gives me crap because they've "cracked down" on replacements, I'll be sure to send you the bill.
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Let me explain. Developers come to this forum to share ideas and give people the means to do things extraordinary with their devices that the manufacturers/carriers did not intend. The fact that you were flashing the WRONG software to your phone but included Entropy's name in the post, likely came off the wrong way.
Also take into account that people that abuse the system, yes, you're an abuser of the system, frustrate the rest of us honest customers. Next time I have a legitimate hardware issue that requires replacement and the rep gives me crap because they've "cracked down" on replacements, I'll be sure to send you the bill.
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agreed.
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Well I am glad that you got that out of you and hope you can carry on with your life. I hardly doubt that this little mistake will have any impact on Entrophy seeing as he is clearly a decent developer and his work speaks for itself.
It wasn't a warranty return and I didn't go through insurance I just knew the person at the booth and had just got the phone.
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Well I am glad that you got that out of you and hope you can carry on with your life. I hardly doubt that this little mistake will have any impact on Entrophy seeing as he is clearly a decent developer and his work speaks for itself.
It wasn't a warranty return and I didn't go through insurance I just knew the person at the booth and had just got the phone.
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I would not be all the surprised if they end up charging you for the new phone. Unless the phone is completely destroyed, they have ways of telling you rooted it, or at least tried too...
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I'm not on the OP's side by any means and I agree with the bashing of the OP for being not so smart. How ever the terms of mine and most others on ATT would have no issue returning a rooted phone. There is nothing that states flashing custom rom's voids warranty just water and extreme abuse.
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I'm not on the OP's side by any means and I agree with the bashing of the OP for being not so smart. How ever the terms of mine and most others on ATT would have no issue returning a rooted phone. There is nothing that states flashing custom rom's voids warranty just water and extreme abuse.
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Hmmm. This is an important issue. Do you know this for fact or are you making assumptions? What is peoples experience with returning rooted and bricked devices? I don't know, but I would predict that the answers will be mixed and highly varied and most likely due to how local stores deal with this on their own.
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I'm not on the OP's side by any means and I agree with the bashing of the OP for being not so smart. How ever the terms of mine and most others on ATT would have no issue returning a rooted phone. There is nothing that states flashing custom rom's voids warranty just water and extreme abuse.
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No... The whole reason behind flash counters and locked bootloaders is to enforce the warranty clauses that custom firmware = voided warranty.
We are fortunate that AT&T is lax about checking the counter as long as the ROM is not obviously rooted or custom, and also assumes that hardbricked devices are suffering from hardware failures, however - if more people do stupid **** like the OP, they'll be more likely to crack down and start waiting for Samsung to do a final determination on failure cause before refunding.
It has ALWAYS been AT&T policy that custom firmware (and even rooting) = voided warranty. Similarly - Barnes and Noble cashiers are specifically trained to identify rooted Nook Tablets/Colors and immediately reject the return and void the warranty if a device is rooted. (Which is why you need to unroot before a return...)
My best friend just upgraded to the GS3 from his original Galaxy S. I tried to get him to get the unlocked Galaxy Nexus, but that's another story. He won't let me root his GS3 at all. He likes it, and says that all that is unnecessary BS, and if it doesn't come stock it's not needed. I personally have a rooted Nexus s 4g, and he still resist the urge to root. How can you convince people to take the leap of faith and get their phone rooted?
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My best friend just upgraded to the GS3 from his original Galaxy S. I tried to get him to get the unlocked Galaxy Nexus, but that's another story. He won't let me root his GS3 at all. He likes it, and says that all that is unnecessary BS, and if it doesn't come stock it's not needed. I personally have a rooted Nexus s 4g, and he still resist the urge to root. How can you convince people to take the leap of faith and get their phone rooted?
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You can tell him that he can get rid of ads in apps if he roots the phone. I bet he thinks that they're annoying too.
Don't bother, he doesn't need root.
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nodstuff said:
Don't bother, he doesn't need root.
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HAHAHAHA!! Good one.
bee mcfly said:
My best friend just upgraded to the GS3 from his original Galaxy S. I tried to get him to get the unlocked Galaxy Nexus, but that's another story. He won't let me root his GS3 at all. He likes it, and says that all that is unnecessary BS, and if it doesn't come stock it's not needed. I personally have a rooted Nexus s 4g, and he still resist the urge to root. How can you convince people to take the leap of faith and get their phone rooted?
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Why do you want to force him to root?
It's his phone, he's happy and that is his choice.
I rooted the sh*t out of my SGS 1 because the stock firmware had a lot of issues, and only after 2 years of community development I'd say that the various homebrew ROMs and kernels reached a level of maturity, performance and stability which allowed an overall smooth experience.
With the SGS 3 at the moment i'm super happy with stock firmware, for now i'll keep on monitoring the community developments and i'll root it when i'll feel it's the right time.
ROOT = NO until root is required its not a go faster must have toy .
If he wants to carry out certain operations that require root then yes but its the height on noobness to root for no reason .Root voids warranty .
jje
The main reason is to do a proper backup of apps before flashing new firmware using titanium
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JJEgan said:
ROOT = NO until root is required its not a go faster must have toy .
If he wants to carry out certain operations that require root then yes but its the height on noobness to root for no reason .Root voids warranty .
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I totally agree, too much **** could go horribly wrong if someone who is clueless about Android has root.
If he wants to learn himself all well and good but in this situation he is better off without it.
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steal his mobile for few minutes and root it and give your friend a surprise
You can't force him to root. Don't worry, if he feels the urge he will. It's human nature .
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Stock ROM is sufficient. No need to root
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Respect Your Friends
If it really is your best friend, then be a good friend and see the situation from his perspective, not just your own. As he sees it, rooting is an unnecessary complication that may bring risk, and from his point of view, he is right.
I rooted my new tablet only after I realized I needed to because there were things I wanted to do that required rooting. Along with that, I set myself up to restore the tablet to its original condition if anything went wrong. I am an experienced Unix/Linux system administrator, and the decision to root the device was not one I made quickly, without learning as much as I could about rooting, and thinking it through. I would never try to talk anyone else into doing it, and it would bother me if a good friend rooted their device just to copy me, or because it was "a cool thing to do."
Instead of trying to manipulate your friend into doing something to make you happy, make sure you are doing it to benefit him, and not cause problems in his life. If you consider all of the possible consequences, that may be harder than you think. ;-)
Having said all that, if you still want to continue with your idea, here is a plan: Make a list of all the additional things you can do with a rooted device, and think about the added value. It's not hard to get a list of apps that require a rooted device, and there are even websites with articles like, "Top 15 Apps That Require Rooting." Then show your friend how the apps are run, and show how easy it is, and that it is 99% safe. Also, if he ends up in the 1%, make sure he can recover his device and explain that to him.
If he still doesn't want to do it, leave him alone. Repeat the following until you can say it easily: "OK, I respect your decision."
And if you can say that and mean it, you will have maximized the chance that sometime in the future, he will decide to root, after making the decision on his own, not because someone pushed him into it.
some people is scared of this rooting thing coz, they r afraid to void their warranty. We all know it's not true but people will always be like that.
1. Take the trouble to educate him on the real risk of root, which is pretty much none.
2. Make sure he has a desire to control and make his device the way the wants it to be.
If #2 is not valid. You can leave him alone, and from time to time, show him how awesome root can be. He will have to convince himself to do it. Don't put it upon yourself to force him to it. Root & modification generated experiences varies from people to people.
Connect a Ps3 controller and play something like Nova 3 on Tv to show the possibilities of Rooting.
I agree with others if he doesn't want to root don't force him, I only rooted my old gt540 because the phone was stuck on 2.1 and I wanted GB currently I have no reason to root my GS3 but I will when I need to.
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Michael_P said:
Connect a Ps3 controller and play something like Nova 3 on Tv to show the possibilities of Rooting.
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That's IF you can get your hands in the right Hdmi cable..I've spent over 100 dollars ordering 2 different Hdmi mhl adapters now trying to find the right one. Crossing my fingers that the current one I have ordered will work.
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Honestly if I was forced to I could do without almost everything that needs Root, but if I saw a phone that couldn't use Titanium Backup I just don't think I'd buy it because picking that App is a no Brainer, and I've known a load of people who have lost a f**k load of data because they had no backups so I offer to temporarily Root then Unroot to make them the occasional backup.
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some people is scared of this rooting thing coz, they r afraid to void their warranty. We all know it's not true but people will always be like that.
1. Take the trouble to educate him on the real risk of root, which is pretty much none.
2. Make sure he has a desire to control and make his device the way the wants it to be.
If #2 is not valid. You can leave him alone, and from time to time, show him how awesome root can be. He will have to convince himself to do it. Don't put it upon yourself to force him to it. Root & modification generated experiences varies from people to people.
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Please replace word root with jesus and you'll see how patronizing this sounds
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Please replace word root with jesus and you'll see how patronizing this sounds
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Lolololol
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Thanks y'all. Kinda realized that leaving someone with a rooted phone is worse than not rooting at all. It's like buying a teen Sports car setting it up, and leaving him unattended. Plus he likes touchwiz soI guess I'll leave him be.
For all the "it's too big" and "it's too slippery" and other gripes she gave me when I got my G2 back in February..........her Galaxy Nexus has become entirely too unreliable. I finally convinced her to check out phones for an upgrade and to just lose the unlimited data. So we went and looked today, and not wanting to pay much, there were three options. Droid Ultra, Moto X, and G2. After playing, and some more touting of the G2 by me, she bit. So we've got a white and black one in the house now. Can't beat that, got both for free.
Now to get her to bite off on letting me root it.
I would recommend rooting if she doesn't know what she does and what she can do... bricking a device is really easy, so be carefull with that. I'm not saying that she will mess up the whole device but it's fairly easy to break something ( I did mistakes with my G2 but now everything is working fine and I'm a "noob")
I hope she enjoys her G2 as we do !
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I would recommend rooting if she doesn't know what she does and what she can do... bricking a device is really easy, so be carefull with that. I'm not saying that she will mess up the whole device but it's fairly easy to break something ( I did mistakes with my G2 but now everything is working fine and I'm a "noob")
I hope she enjoys her G2 as we do !
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She doesn't tend to tinker with things. I would prefer to root and debloat it, titanium backup and adaway, and G2Xposed so she can get some buttons back to how here GNex was set up. Just better functionality and no bloat. She won't tinker with settings or anything so I know that's safe.
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For all the "it's too big" and "it's too slippery" and other gripes she gave me when I got my G2 back in February..........her Galaxy Nexus has become entirely too unreliable. I finally convinced her to check out phones for an upgrade and to just lose the unlimited data. So we went and looked today, and not wanting to pay much, there were three options. Droid Ultra, Moto X, and G2. After playing, and some more touting of the G2 by me, she bit. So we've got a white and black one in the house now. Can't beat that, got both for free.
Now to get her to bite off on letting me root it.
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So, does she charge good now?
You gotta change the title heading man!
From experience I would also suggest you get a case, its the best phone for the price but the screen is very fragile when it comes to edge impacts, the Spigen Slim Armor is probably the best in value and for protection.
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For all the "it's too big" and "it's too slippery" and other gripes she gave me when I got my G2 back in February..........her Galaxy Nexus has become entirely too unreliable. I finally convinced her to check out phones for an upgrade and to just lose the unlimited data. So we went and looked today, and not wanting to pay much, there were three options. Droid Ultra, Moto X, and G2. After playing, and some more touting of the G2 by me, she bit. So we've got a white and black one in the house now. Can't beat that, got both for free.
Now to get her to bite off on letting me root it.
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good one, she will love it, batterylife and screen real estate. Plus rootable and a lot of nice custom roms.
Dont know the prices over there for a phone with contract vs sim only, but its definitely not free
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So, does she charge good now?
You gotta change the title heading man!
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I was going to go with "Are you eligible for the early upgrade plan to upgrade to a younger wife in 6 months?"
DizzyMizzy said:
I would recommend rooting if she doesn't know what she does and what she can do... bricking a device is really easy, so be carefull with that. I'm not saying that she will mess up the whole device but it's fairly easy to break something ( I did mistakes with my G2 but now everything is working fine and I'm a "noob")
I hope she enjoys her G2 as we do !
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I got a question: how is bricking a device really easy?
In all my years of Android modding I have seen very few instances of a truly "bricked" device. Can you mess it up and bootloop and stuff? Yes but that is not "bricked".
The phone doesn't need root - not for general use. Stock has everything and it's beautiful.
If you root her phone for your own pleasure, it will come back and haunt you.
Root only if she becomes specifically interested in something that requires root.
Root requires maintenance and she'll have to learn to do it on her own, otherwise your just messing with her freedom and introducing control issues where they may do damage!
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I had the Nexus 5 and sold it for the G2. After a few weeks a friend got and G2 as my recommendation ...3 days ago another friend put his HTC One on sale because he want the G2
This is a great phone, my favorite so far!
zone23 said:
I got a question: how is bricking a device really easy?
In all my years of Android modding I have seen very few instances of a truly "bricked" device. Can you mess it up and bootloop and stuff? Yes but that is not "bricked".
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mostly by rooting and ota, unclean installs or custom recovery and doing an ota. That last one is definitely a brick causer.
bachera said:
mostly by rooting and ota, unclean installs or custom recovery and doing an ota. That last one is definitely a brick causer.
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The one thing I have run into is the miss use of the term "bricked" although it may have changed over the years. The term "bricked" used to refer to a state in which a device doesn't turn on and does not respond to fastboot or adb commands. If a devices powers on or will respond to fastboot/adb commands then it is not truly bricked. Its just messed up.
Just my 2 cents.
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The one thing I have run into is the miss use of the term "bricked" although it may have changed over the years. The term "bricked" used to refer to a state in which a device doesn't turn on and does not respond to fastboot or adb commands. If a devices powers on or will respond to fastboot/adb commands then it is not truly bricked. Its just messed up.
Just my 2 cents.
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to me, and many users is a brick is when its in un usable state.
Hard brick is almost always non recoverable. Not many seen on g2 as of yet.
soft brick is usually fixed by factory reset/reflash/wiping cache/dalvik. Like when you need to reset partitions when doing ota and on custom recovery.
whatever my 2 cents
zone23 said:
The one thing I have run into is the miss use of the term "bricked" although it may have changed over the years. The term "bricked" used to refer to a state in which a device doesn't turn on and does not respond to fastboot or adb commands. If a devices powers on or will respond to fastboot/adb commands then it is not truly bricked. Its just messed up.
Just my 2 cents.
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Todays XDA crowd thinks "bricked" means "it doesn't work exactly like it did previously".
khaytsus said:
Todays XDA crowd thinks "bricked" means "it doesn't work exactly like it did previously".
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Exactly term is used very loosely.
Back on topic I would not root my wife/girlfriends device. She won't need root.
kolembo said:
The phone doesn't need root - not for general use. Stock has everything and it's beautiful.
If you root her phone for your own pleasure, it will come back and haunt you.
Root only if she becomes specifically interested in something that requires root.
You have been told.
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would also suggest you get a case, its the best phone for the price
It's a great idea ! It's what I use actually on my G2. Just some xposed modules (G2 Skin Tweaks, G2 Xposed, Instagram downloader and SnapColors) and Viper4Android which is really nice!
Oh and, I really don't wanted to offend you or something,.. It's just I think that having root isn't for everyone (my personal pov)
zone23 said:
I got a question: how is bricking a device really easy?
In all my years of Android modding I have seen very few instances of a truly "bricked" device. Can you mess it up and bootloop and stuff? Yes but that is not "bricked".
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I know I didn't used the term correctly, I was reffering to soft-brick. Let's imagine that someone who doesn't know anything about root, custom recoveries and all that stuff that makes android ... well, android, wants to debloat his phone and just delete everything he/she doesn't use and get a bootloop. What is the first reaction ? "omg my phone doesn't turn on!! What am I supposed to do now ?!"
This person would think it's dead and there's nothing that can repair the phone...
I wanted to convert all my friends to root, to experience the real magic of android but then realized that if they don't know what they are doing, it would be more of a nightmare than a "dream", to really customize the phone to their needs.
Sure, I could root, install a custom recovery, and do the magic for them (thanks to all devs on xda) but if they have a problem, they rely on me for solving the issue and I don't really want that pressure, because I don't know what they did to their phones and I just can't manage this...
Sorry for the off-topic.
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It's a great idea ! It's what I use actually on my G2. Just some xposed modules (G2 Skin Tweaks, G2 Xposed, Instagram downloader and SnapColors) and Viper4Android which is really nice!
Oh and, I really don't wanted to offend you or something,.. It's just I think that having root isn't for everyone (my personal pov)
I know I didn't used the term correctly, I was reffering to soft-brick. Let's imagine that someone who doesn't know anything about root, custom recoveries and all that stuff that makes android ... well, android, wants to debloat his phone and just delete everything he/she doesn't use and get a bootloop. What is the first reaction ? "omg my phone doesn't turn on!! What am I supposed to do now ?!"
This person would think it's dead and there's nothing that can repair the phone...
I wanted to convert all my friends to root, to experience the real magic of android but then realized that if they don't know what they are doing, it would be more of a nightmare than a "dream", to really customize the phone to their needs.
Sure, I could root, install a custom recovery, and do the magic for them (thanks to all devs on xda) but if they have a problem, they rely on me for solving the issue and I don't really want that pressure, because I don't know what they did to their phones and I just can't manage this...
Sorry for the off-topic.
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I understand sorry if I was being critical.
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lol the term brick is not really important. You know what is meant with soft or hardbrick as I explained.
In the end it depends what your wife wants.
There are many adventages to root. like being able to use an add blocker. Or increase the sound by messing with mixer files.
loss of warrantee/security is a risk that can be excepted.
Root is also needed for custom recovery and backup of efs. Its also needed for custom roms naturally. These custom roms have their own advantages, over the loss of stock apps. The gain possibly better performance, greater customizability. But also more risk of issues, as most likely people get the latest beta versions.
the lg g2 is really a great phone and first where I didn't really need to do all these things. so it depends on what your wife wants.
Converted my wife to a G2
I really understood it in another way, haha
i think me, like many others, are checking these forums frequently to see if any updates or news to the roms for HDX, especially since the last waves of rooting happening all the way to newest OTA update, however the heat has seemingly died off with the hopes of updates, and that glimmer of hope with bootloader unlock that we all waiting for. I understand as long as this doesn't happen we are still limited to the Amazon kernel.
im not a developer but a savvy user like many others so im in no position to measure the difficulty of creating updates for the device, however with the floodgate opened before i was really hoping for lots of new roms and updates to existing, coupled with powerful hardware at cheap prices, and what seems to be wide audience, but didnt seem to be the case.
does anyone think there's any hope left for this device? should we just jump on to Tegra K1 bandwagon soon?
Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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holeshot77 said:
Last I saw the had unlocked the boot loader but was working more kinks and gonna charge for it. That was like 3xweeks or more ago. Who knows.
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Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
failed1234 said:
Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
I don't know but it really sucks and I also know this thread is not development related. As far as being in the development section I mean.
failed1234 said:
Yeah, that's what I last saw too. I think they're charging because they don't want Amazon to find out or something.
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im sorry but thats a sorry excuse. theyre gonna charge $25 so that a multi billion dollar company cant find out? if it slows them down itll slow them down for a couple of hours and thats it.
lets be realist... theyre charging so that they can profit. theres nothing wrong with that and i dont have a problem with it but its a lil insulting if they expect us to believe that
I check every couple of weeks or so, but honestly just running the xpose framework module makes me happy. The only thing I was missing was the play store, and it allows me to have that. The Fire user interface has actually grown on me.
S_transform said:
Yeah, not only does it delay Amazon's ability to patch the hole, but it also helps the developers of the exploit earn the money they deserve. I'm just currently concerned after that argument in the fire phone thread they may not be releasing the exploit due to legal reasons, which is bothersome.
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The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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EniGmA1987 said:
The argument in that thread about whether bootloader unlocking is legal in the US or not is not even touching on the real issue. First, bootloader unlocking IS legal. Second, what is not legal though is hacking a device put out by a company and then charging other people and making money off of your exploit. And even if it were legal, it is against XDA TOS for members to charge for things like ROMs, kernel, bootloader unlock, etc. We can donate sure, but specifically charging people for access is a no-no.
Even still, Id pay for it. I really want to see some real development going on for this tablet. The Thor and Appolo gapps ROMs are great, but it would be nice to have a true AOSP build working.
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Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
I check everyday. Lol
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I check everyday. Lol
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My HDX is still in the mail and I check here everyday. I hope the unlock sees the light of day before the HDX becomes obsolete eventually.
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I check everyday. Lol
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Same here
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I know
holeshot77 said:
I check everyday. Lol
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This this device has turned me into a troll something horrible(@least three times a day). But at least I try to stay helpful when I'm here .sometimes the attitude pops out from the,dangled just before me rage. .. Got to love to hate this sh*t .. Been circling this carcass of a device for a months like a freaking vulture..waiting.. waiting waiting ....out of ten tablets nhouse i maintain 4 are hdx ...and currently no bricks lol
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stapler85 said:
i dont have high hopes at this rate, this device target audience is opposite of most android users in the sense they're not the type to tinker with the software
its not like a Nexus device where most of the users going for it are expected with rooting and roms, i cant blame them, even the rooting process and safestraping rom slots is not common for android devices
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I agree totally ,, and it also seems like this device is a favorite for parents to buy kids as convenient media babysitters and then the children think they need to come here and start modifying Bricking and crying ... It has been a bitter roller coaster ride I just want my unlock and fastboot stuff so I can unlock, archive the rest,and be on the next device. Uhg and I am sorry but this forum has given me fantasies such as hoping the next update will come with a choke Bart emoji on my keyboard;-p lmao only because of the face palming is starting to leave a mark ; (
jimyv said:
Are you kidding? Lol working fastboot and files would make alot of ppl happy right now.
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Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
Apparently
shimp208 said:
Someone was able to get fastboot working on Linux if your interested in taking a look at it in this thread here.
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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Your idea of working in my idea of working or two different things nobody has been able repair a brick device via our fastboot , I mean flash any files system files kernels or what ever as far as I know nothing has worked for this is to what I am referring .
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fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
uhg
Hashcode said:
fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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HASHCODE
You sir, are a meanie and a tease. LMAO, no but really that is the only reason I've been trolling these threads since Christmas.. Since then I have bought two more... so how about some hot salt in the wound then tell us about your KitKat on your HDX buahahahah
Hashcode said:
fyi, once unlocked, the normal fastboot behavior works.
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Hi hashcode. Any info you can feed us would be appreciAted. I understand things are hush hush for numerous reasons but people here are starting to lose interest in our device and the longer we wait for a unlock the more talent we lose and, undoubtedly, potential donaters.
Your teasing and previous posts show u have some inside knowledge of the unlock. Any info would be great but specificAlly what is the snag the devs have run into? And I know it's rude to ask but how much longer are we lookin at for release?
I know u dint owe us anything but we thank u for ur support.
I'd really like to participate in today's Fire Sale (pun intended), but I'm not keen on getting a device that can't be unlocked. Decisions, decisions...