Folks,
I need to know weather or not is it possible to increase the current RAM for the S3. I have a international version of the S3 in which the ROM has a limitation to 779MB. I hear some devices in US and Korea have a 1GB RAM. So if the device is the same is the RAM limited on the build or the hardware? And is it possible to increase the ram with a customer ROM?
mateenf said:
Folks,
I need to know weather or not is it possible to increase the current RAM for the S3. I have a international version of the S3 in which the ROM has a limitation to 779MB. I hear some devices in US and Korea have a 1GB RAM. So if the device is the same is the RAM limited on the build or the hardware? And is it possible to increase the ram with a customer ROM?
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The international version has 1GB of RAM, I think the reason it shows 779MB is because the rest of the RAM is reserved as video memory. Don't quote me on that though.
P.S. The US and Korean versions have 2GB of RAM.
you cant increase it further 779 is the max you will get. us and international variants are different
The reason I asked is. I face alot of performance issues on the SGS3. My Memory always stays at 455 to 600MB usage. I dont have much applications installed .. Only basis ones that I need. Any ideas on optimizing the memory issue?
mateenf said:
The reason I asked is. I face alot of performance issues on the SGS3. My Memory always stays at 455 to 600MB usage. I dont have much applications installed .. Only basis ones that I need. Any ideas on optimizing the memory issue?
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Are you running the stock rom at this moment or do you have a different launcher?
Its the default rom and unrooted. And also the defualt launcher in S3
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You would be better off waiting for the Jelly Bean upgrade in a few weeks .
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I don't think RAM is the problem for your performance. My S3 is also running between 450 and 600 and I don't have any performance issues..
There are some tweaks you can try under Settings -> Development like animation scale and background process limit.
When do you have the performance problems?
Do u really think JB will increase perfomance? And I honestly dont think that OTA will be relased anytime in this quater! Plus i prefeer the ripple effect in ICS would samsung keep that in JB too?
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klm67637 said:
I don't think RAM is the problem for your performance. My S3 is also running between 450 and 600 and I don't have any performance issues..
There are some tweaks you can try under Settings -> Development like animation scale and background process limit.
When do you have the performance problems?
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I see battery issues at times, also when I clear RAM to free up some memory the home screen goes blank and then appears, I have formatted my phone also, but even using a plain S3 and trying to clear RAM my screen still goes blank. Is this a known issue within S3 when clearing RAM?
bala_gamer said:
you cant increase it further 779 is the max you will get. us and international variants are different
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Is this a hardware limitation or the build?
mateenf said:
I see battery issues at times, also when I clear RAM to free up some memory the home screen goes blank and then appears, I have formatted my phone also, but even using a plain S3 and trying to clear RAM my screen still goes blank. Is this a known issue within S3 when clearing RAM?
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Is this a hardware limitation or the build?
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When you clear your RAM..all the cache which was generated gets removed hence when you go to your homescreen again..that data has to be loaded again ..and hence the delay...dont try to force your phone..Android has a very good memory management ..it will do it for you..clearing RAM all the time will just make your launcher and other most used apps slow to open...
Yes it is a hardware limitation..we have only 1 GB of inbuilt RAM..of which 221 MB is used by system and the rest is left for your apps...
mateenf said:
I see battery issues at times, also when I clear RAM to free up some memory the home screen goes blank and then appears, I have formatted my phone also, but even using a plain S3 and trying to clear RAM my screen still goes blank. Is this a known issue within S3 when clearing RAM?
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So you have some battery issues.. Try JuiceDefender to increase your battery life or System Tuner to check the apps that are running in the background...
JuiceDefender:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...xLDEsImNvbS5sYXRlZHJvaWQuanVpY2VkZWZlbmRlciJd
System Tuner:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...ch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNjYzcxLnBtdyJd
klm67637 said:
I don't think RAM is the problem for your performance. My S3 is also running between 450 and 600 and I don't have any performance issues..
There are some tweaks you can try under Settings -> Development like animation scale and background process limit.
When do you have the performance problems?
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Tweaks? You shouldn't have to make tweaks to the follow up to the sgs2 with super duper quad core!
Fact is you probably do.. The sgs3 is a fail. There are undeniable performance issues. It is on par with the ZTE Blade.
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Tweaks? You shouldn't have to make tweaks to the follow up to the sgs2 with super duper quad core!
Fact is you probably do.. The sgs3 is a fail. There are undeniable performance issues. It is on par with the ZTE Blade.
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Agreed, I am really not satisfied with the performance of a quad core processor!! A quad code with a 2100 mah battery is decent but not upto mark what you expect the phone to give an output.
I was better satisfied with my galaxy note with a 2500 mAH battery which ran 3 days using EDGE and 2 days if I'm using HSPDA!!
zoot1 said:
When you clear your RAM..all the cache which was generated gets removed hence when you go to your homescreen again..that data has to be loaded again ..and hence the delay...dont try to force your phone..Android has a very good memory management ..it will do it for you..clearing RAM all the time will just make your launcher and other most used apps slow to open...
Yes it is a hardware limitation..we have only 1 GB of inbuilt RAM..of which 221 MB is used by system and the rest is left for your apps...
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But it should be possible to use a full 1GB RAM with custom ROM's. Like ive seen a MIUI ROM that allows a full 1Gb usable on the SGS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5oSnIgZ_4g
mateenf said:
But it should be possible to use a full 1GB RAM with custom ROM's. Like ive seen a MIUI ROM that allows a full 1Gb usable on the SGS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5oSnIgZ_4g
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Dear Sir, the miui rom shows you the complete 1 GB but the extra 221 mb is not available for your apps..if you have noticed even after a fresh intall the available Ram will hover somewhere around 600-700 MB and not 800-900 MB..
it is just how it is displayed and not used..
hope it will clarify your doubts..
I had huge memory leak issues. My ram used to fall even below 50 MB even after removing all bloat. I finally found the solution by moving to "Foxhund Rom". I have applied his min free ram tweaks. Now My ram never falls below 200 MB which is good enough to run heavy process.
I dont know howto increase RAM storage but there is a way to increase data storage.
Look here
LMFAO some of the comments in this thread are seriously pathetic! Performance issues with this phone? Making it comparable to ZTE Blade? Iphone users and trolls in here much?!?
This phone, bone dry stock is blazing fast and incredibly smooth and with the latest stock latest firmware the home screen redraw is so smooth it doesn't even look like it's redrawn.
With custom roms that keep 200mb clear in RAM all the time, there is no multi tasking because the phone is constantly closing apps to keep 200mb free. It's just to keep people happy that they can see free ram! If it's never used, it's useless..
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I had tried two ICS roms so far as we lose over 100mb in useable ram going from gingerbread to ice cream sandwich. Just wondering if all of the ICS roms are like that or not?
Any idea why we lose 100mb? I'd really like to have it back
It seems like that RAM is being allocated to integrated graphics and I did notice this across the board between dagr8's and smartguys port of team perfection ROMS.
Subscribed for more information, good question if we can change allocation.
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
-Ryan
studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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you are correct. Samsung dedicated more ram to the video card, which is probably to fix the black crush and gradient issues that are in the stock rom. Apparently the video ram allocated in gingerbread cant drive this monstrous display like they thought.
it does suck losing it, because its just that much less left for multitasking, but it fixed the display issues so its a good trade off for me.
also, this issue is not in android devices with tegra 3. With tegra 3 the video card has dedicated video ram, meaning that a 1gb android device shows 1 gb of total ram since its not shared with the video card. This is great because it means better multitasking because more apps stay in memory.
studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
ryandelman said:
There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
-Ryan
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It feel totally makes a difference, I have been complaining about this issue for the longest and all I hear is that it doesn't do anything to our phone. If it doesn't do anything why do I keep getting a message that states that I have no more ram and that it will close everything to free up ram. This is one thing that I really don't like about Android, I sure hope that this changes in the future, because no matter how much ram is installed on our phone we will always have an issue because we cant control what apps we can fully close..
omniphil said:
The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
jimmer411 said:
100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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Correct.. I lost 100mb or so of free ram, which forces the phone to swap more often. If we lost it to help the video card then that's fine, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something else.
Maybe with an official build of ICS the sluggishness will be better...
Interesting point here... I saw a screen shot of an international Note on ICS and the max free RAM was at 803 MB. Maybe its just an issue with our ics leak that we have so little free RAM?
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Been doing some testing on this. It appears that limiting the background applications to three returns the free memory back to gb levels. Been testing this all day with my objection rom, and my used memory has not gone above 472 used with 3 background applications running. That leaves plenty of room to run my games in the forground or office applications. Phone has been running smooth and with out error.
In objection rom to limit the back ground applications. Settings /development options / limit back ground process.
Also been looking at my wife's nexus with non rooted ics. Her phone shows 728 Meg of available ram. Not sure why our leaked version is showing only 656.
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Thanks! after reading this post...I went into the ICS settings on Unofficial ROM and set the settings to 3 background and kill apps on exit..it improved A LOTTTTT....Ive been lurking a long time and this is the best advice I have read!
I don't seem to understand that why do the sIII has too less free ram, it doesn't have HTC sense either, but so what's the problem
Comparison on normal basis:
Free Ram on:
-HTC explorer = 240
-SIII = 340
-Optimus one = 330
Q1
Can someone tell me what app or the list of useless apps that are ram hungry?
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Why do all devices have less ram example, Optimus one has 512 mb ram and available 421 with cm9
S3 has 1Gb and available around 760
Why, and if it is system reserved then why do we see system apps in taskillers
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Free RAM is wasted RAM in Android.
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S3 has 1Gb and available around 760
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'free' shows 778MB after conversion from KB to MB (1MB = 1024KB)
That 1GB includes hardware-reserved locations suche as for the GPU which, unlike mid- to high-end desktop computers has no real dedicated memory. Additionally there are the camera app (especially video encoding is notoriously high on RAM due to the codec specifications), the modem, ...
I'm also not sure if that 1GB is, as hardware manufacturers often tend to do, 1'000'000'000 Byte (1 GB according to hardware manufacturer'sIEC definition) or 1073741824 Byte (as defined by SI and adopted by software manufacturers)
That would reduce the capacity by a further 7.37% on RAW storage.
why do we see system apps in taskillers
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You shouldn't be using Task Killers. I still remember them being a de-facto requirement in Eclair, but since Froyo they are obsolete and cause more harm than they can do good.
(At least in theory, memory management only recently with ICS got reliable and performant enough to completely get rid of them)
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Free RAM is wasted RAM in Android.
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If you have very less free ram your phone will start lagging and your phone will become a waste phone. Is that alright for you?
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'free' shows 778MB after conversion from KB to MB (1MB = 1024KB)
That 1GB includes hardware-reserved locations suche as for the GPU which, unlike mid- to high-end desktop computers has no real dedicated memory. Additionally there are the camera app (especially video encoding is notoriously high on RAM due to the codec specifications), the modem, ...
I'm also not sure if that 1GB is, as hardware manufacturers often tend to do, 1'000'000'000 Byte (1 GB according to hardware manufacturer'sIEC definition) or 1073741824 Byte (as defined by SI and adopted by software manufacturers)
That would reduce the capacity by a further 7.37% on RAW storage.
You shouldn't be using Task Killers. I still remember them being a de-facto requirement in Eclair, but since Froyo they are obsolete and cause more harm than they can do good.
(At least in theory, memory management only recently with ICS got reliable and performant enough to completely get rid of them)
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By the way what thing takes up so much ram
HTC phones has memory hungry sense so it's understood but what's the problem here?
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rishabho1 said:
By the way what thing takes up so much ram
HTC phones has memory hungry sense so it's understood but what's the problem here?
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Touchwiz is by far more memory hungry than sense.
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Touchwiz is by far more memory hungry than sense.
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I see
But touchwiz has nothing special, and no flipping clock no cool widgets and no sense like cool launcher
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haha there is far more to Sense and Touchwiz than just a few widgets dude!
By the way what thing takes up so much ra
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Get houmiak Task Manager from Market and look for yourself. Many useful features are completely unnecessary for most of us, so you can freeze them to gain memory. (Don't uninstall since you can defrost frozen apps instantly if you ever needed it)
Those included for me the Exchange service, Allshare, ... . There's a whole list of apps which are safe to remove.
(Note that 'safe to remove' does not mean you won't need it: that depends on what you actually use)
But touchwiz has nothing special, and no flipping clock no cool widgets and no sense like cool launcher
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Both Touchwiz and Sense are horrors in terms of coding standards and resource consumption. If all you care about in Touchwiz is the launcher and widgets then by all means get rid of Touchwiz (I recommend CM9) and install a customizable Launcher such as Go Launcher, Apex, ...
If you have very less free ram your phone will start lagging and your phone will become a waste phone.
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"Free" memory is a very interesting defition. What do you call 'free' memory?
If an app is closed, should Android immediatly remove it from Cache? You'll probably say yes to increase free memory.
However there are multiple reasons why it's not done
- free memory is wasted memory. If the phone doesn't use it, what's the point of having it?
- it doesn't cost anything in terms of CPU-cycles to "remove" cached apps from RAM whenever the space is needed [*]
- Should you multitask back in the app, it's immediatly available. Depending on the app, even with everything exactly as you left it
[*] Well it does, but not more than immediatly removing it when the app is closed.
If you work a lot within the same app, chances are that your free memory is far below 1MB since it keeps everything in Cache if it should ever be needed. By exiting or killing an app that value increases since some data is always freed. But that does not mean the phone will magically get faster. If you still don't believe me; what if I told you that there is NO major operating system (Mac OsX, Windows NT, iOS, Linux, BSD, ...) that does not cache. You just don't see the raw values Linux shows on most of them, but faked values where the cache is substracted.
If you want details, I recommend reading about Paging ("Swap") and In-Memory Caching on Wikipedia. They have some excellent articles.
Here's a shortened easy versioN: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
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If you have very less free ram your phone will start lagging and your phone will become a waste phone. Is that alright for you?
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My phone never lags. Sometimes there is a brief delay when a screen redraws upon app change. I hardly think the phone becomes a "waste" at this point. If you want to see what lag really feels like go get a second hand HTC desire.
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It is sad that the available ram is less than on the S2 to be honest.
I'm running with 80-200mb free all the time, even been down to around 50mb when using the phone, the S2 I was never under 150mb.
But then again, the S3 is faster than the S2
extreme unstable ram usage
hawkn said:
It is sad that the available ram is less than on the S2 to be honest.
I'm running with 80-200mb free all the time, even been down to around 50mb when using the phone, the S2 I was never under 150mb.
But then again, the S3 is faster than the S2
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wow, you lucky s3 fellow, i have been experiencing ram issues, when I say that, know that I have considered the fact that more RAM used the better - more apps in memory, improves app switching/launching speed(all that philosophical BS which people give with pride, when someone posts a query on RAM. My RAM exceeds 700 MB and goes up to 796 MB with less than 50 MB at times; and this is with 10-15 trusted lightweight apps installed, This was prevalent since the stock firmware ICS and even is present after the JB update. More RAM used is good only when it doesn't affect performance, and doesn't force apps to struggling to stay in memory, causing them to frequently restart.
though i found a partial fix, which gave a lil speed boost -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787263&highlight=ram+problem
This helped me a lil(Disabling ripple effect in lockscreen), though to totally resolve the issue, i might have to go for a custom rom/kernel or hope for sammy boys to release an update soon -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1926380&page=3
Hi all,
Ok so I've got this phone a week ago, and I like it so far. Ieike the beautiful screen and the great battery life. I gave my galaxy S2 to my wife.
However, this phone has a serious issue and I am really surprised that it is not floating all over XDA: It is the RAM.
I used to install more than 120 applications on my s2. Despite that I had about 200 to 300MB of free RAM.
As a common sense, I did the same on my s3, but I ended up with around 80 to 100 mb of free RAM. I WAS SHOCKED
I tried to be more scientific so I did more investigation on this issue:
Both all phones are rooted , both running on custom ROM.
S2 on 4.1.2 XXLSJ ROM with stock Kernel. No system apps are removed. Has all bloatware.
S3 on 4.1.2 XXEMA2 ROM with stock Kernel however it is approximately completely cleaned from bloatware like ALL share , all widgets that I don't use, kies, Samsung apps, and every other irrelevant stuff.
After closing all recent/ running apps , I got In Running services :
S2 506MB RAM used / 321 MB RAM free
S3 759MB RAM used / 74MB RAM free
To get more info, I installed an application Called android status from market. It didn't show anything abnormal.
As you can see in the attached screenshots, while the running services are approximately the same, the cached processes are a lot more on the S2 since it's still bloated But still despite all that the S2 has much more free RAM!!!!
This issue is driving me crazy!!
What could be the culprit !!!?
Can anybody please enlighten me!?
Thanks
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Linux is not windows, free ram=wasted ram
The ram management is poor on S3 and multitasking is crippled.
From launcher redraws to phone and contact lag.. Everything is caused by it
There's no solution but only workarounds.
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been discussed to death, search the other multiple threads for an answer
Life Engineer said:
Hi all,
Ok so I've got this phone a week ago, and I like it so far. Ieike the beautiful screen and the great battery life. I gave my galaxy S2 to my wife.
However, this phone has a serious issue and I am really surprised that it is not floating all over XDA: It is the RAM.
I used to install more than 120 applications on my s2. Despite that I had about 200 to 300MB of free RAM.
As a common sense, I did the same on my s3, but I ended up with around 80 to 100 mb of free RAM. I WAS SHOCKED
I tried to be more scientific so I did more investigation on this issue:
Both all phones are rooted , both running on custom ROM.
S2 on 4.1.2 XXLSJ ROM with stock Kernel. No system apps are removed. Has all bloatware.
S3 on 4.1.2 XXEMA2 ROM with stock Kernel however it is approximately completely cleaned from bloatware like ALL share , all widgets that I don't use, kies, Samsung apps, and every other irrelevant stuff.
After closing all recent/ running apps , I got In Running services :
S2 506MB RAM used / 321 MB RAM free
S3 759MB RAM used / 74MB RAM free
To get more info, I installed an application Called android status from market. It didn't show anything abnormal.
As you can see in the attached screenshots, while the running services are approximately the same, the cached processes are a lot more on the S2 since it's still bloated But still despite all that the S2 has much more free RAM!!!!
This issue is driving me crazy!!
What could be the culprit !!!?
Can anybody please enlighten me!?
Thanks
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Hi
I had the same issue
HTC Desire HD (768MB RAM) - Custom ROM - Always 150-200MB free RAM
S3 i9300 (1GB RAM) - Stock ROM (cleaned, lots of services stopped etc) 100MB or less free RAM
S3 LTE i9305 (2GB RAM) - Stock ROM (cleaned, lots of services stopped etc) 600-500MB free RAM
On my Desire HD never had luancher redraws, dialer, messaing app dropping from memory but was a issue on the S3, I think its an issue with higher resolution screens and software not optimized properly (memory management).
I have seen a fair few Xperia T devices which also have 1GB RAM but they seem to have 200-300MB free RAM.
I have the S3 LTE (i9305) now and RAM usage is always above 1GB, generally around 1.1/1.2 GB.
Maybe it's just Samsung software.
Thanks
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Sorry to tell you but that's not true!
I can multitask easily on my S2 but I cant on my S3!! We can't just give some arguments just to convince ourselves!
I can open up to 5 apps and seamlessly switch between them while I can't do the same on my s3! It reopens the app!
Damn I'm really depressed by this sh*t! It should have been 2 RAMs!
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been discussed to death, search the other multiple threads for an answer
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Please guide me Mr. consider me as an ignorant!
All I could find was some threads in Q&A which unfortunately are only Q without any convincing A!!
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eggman89 said:
The ram management is poor on S3 and multitasking is crippled.
From launcher redraws to phone and contact lag.. Everything is caused by it
There's no solution but only workarounds.
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Please point me to some workarounds I'm ready to try some!
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I have a nexus 7 and the amount of memory used by identical apps is 2-3 times more on the s3. It must be down to the architecture of the processors and compiling.
I have to remove loads of bloat and freeze some apps when not in use to make it usable. Shocking really.
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Stfu
Free ram is not wasetd ram , its used to cache apps in the ram and when the ram is full no apps will be cached and and no apps will run in the background :thumbdown:
Btw my friend and my sister gs3 have the same problem probably there is ram leaking with gs3
And I dont have any problem with s2 here too running LSD
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Edit: mali driver r2p4 is known to leak the ram in JB so I bet its still leaking ram even after patching the framework
http://forum.insignal.co.kr/viewtopic.php?t=76
The ram issue on the S3 is well-known. The memory management isn't as good as it could have been. I blame bloatwiz. Don't know if we should cry or laugh. They have crammed more than 800 MB of bloat in a phone that runs perfectly without it. A full odin rom is approx 1.2 GB and it's possible to reach a size of 300 MB (I know, because I have tried), by seriously cleaning up the system partition, in terms of apps and libs and it runs without a hitch, and has loads of ram left.
It also goes without saying that unused ram, is wasted ram.
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Stfu
Free ram is not wasetd ram , its used to cache apps in the ram and when the ram is full no apps will be cached and and no apps will run in the background :thumbdown:
Btw my friend and my sister gs3 have the same problem probably there is ram leaking with gs3
And I dont have any problem with s2 here too running LSD
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Edit: mali driver r2p4 is known to leak the ram in JB so I bet its still leaking ram even after patching the framework
http://forum.insignal.co.kr/viewtopic.php?t=76
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If you actually read a bit of the thread instead of aggressively dismissing the post, you would have realized that the lower amount of ram is because there are more cached processes. That's where the RAM went. The underlying issue is the RAM management itself.
As others have pointed it out, unused RAM is wasted RAM.
If you don't have a good knowledge of what you are saying, better not tell others to shut up and maybe put it in practice yourself.
Also, there is no proof that there is a leak in the Mali hack job from Samsung in stock roms. It's not comparable to the leaking in CM which is completely replicable.
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More free RAM=better multitasking,it's a fact.It's only wasted if you are going to run only 1 app at a time or else android will start killing apps when your phone is running out of memory.Not to mention the annoying browser refreshes which I face a lot even when I'm running only1 app with the browser(e.g:Facebook).If I'm playing a heavy game and recieved a 1 min call, the game restarts and I lose my progress.The problem is the terrible memory management in touchwiz ROMs,I have tried out a few AOSP 4.2 ROMs before and I have to say that multitasking is much better on them and browser refreshes happen less frequently.So,if you are ok with losing TW's features, flash an aosp ROM for better multitasking.
drakester09 said:
If you actually read a bit of the thread instead of aggressively dismissing the post, you would have realized that the lower amount of ram is because there are more cached processes. That's where the RAM went. The underlying issue is the RAM management itself.
As others have pointed it out, unused RAM is wasted RAM.
If you don't have a good knowledge of what you are saying, better not tell others to shut up and maybe put it in practice yourself.
Also, there is no proof that there is a leak in the Mali hack job from Samsung in stock roms. It's not comparable to the leaking in CM which is completely replicable.
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LOL can u check how many apps are cached when when the free ram too low ( 80 or 90 MB ) u will got 1 or 2 + as soon as u close the app it will get killed instead of get cached :silly:
for god sake stop saying free ram is wasted ram ( if is that ur theory then go for 512 MB ram device its enough for u beause free ram is wasted ram ) and live with **** multitasking
and Mali driver leak is just a thought because the free ram problem only happened on JB on ICS my sister device was have about 200MB ~ most of the time
Well used to have this issue. Rooted, installed omega 40 and I can seamlessly multitask upto 6-7 apps at a time. Try omega rom, multitasking is great in this rom.
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yahyoh said:
Stfu
Free ram is not wasetd ram , its used to cache apps in the ram and when the ram is full no apps will be cached and and no apps will run in the background :thumbdown:
Btw my friend and my sister gs3 have the same problem probably there is ram leaking with gs3
And I dont have any problem with s2 here too running LSD
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Edit: mali driver r2p4 is known to leak the ram in JB so I bet its still leaking ram even after patching the framework
http://forum.insignal.co.kr/viewtopic.php?t=76
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So what you are saying the apps are not cached they are kept in RAM, please learn what caching is, cached apps are stored in the cache partition of the phone, they are not cached in the RAM otherwise the phone is doing nothing with them.
Android works by moving background apps to the internal memory, if you switch your phone on check RAM usage, then open apps using the home button to get back to the home screen and check it you will see that no matter how many apps you open the free and used RAM values barely change up to a certain point, this is the app caching at work.
If you home out of apps you will see why Android caches apps.
Running stock ELLA I just used the recent apps, and home button, opened 7 apps and used the home button to return to the home screen, no launcher redraws, and my apps all opened instantly where they were.
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LOL can u check how many apps are cached when when the free ram too low ( 80 or 90 MB ) u will got 1 or 2 + as soon as u close the app it will get killed instead of get cached :silly:
for god sake stop saying free ram is wasted ram ( if is that ur theory then go for 512 MB ram device its enough for u beause free ram is wasted ram ) and live with **** multitasking
and Mali driver leak is just a thought because the free ram problem only happened on JB on ICS my sister device was have about 200MB ~ most of the time
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Well said:thumbup:
I'm also sick of listening about "free ram is wasted ram".
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I dont see any problems here, this isn't just turned on either.
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Mine always hovers around 650/832... Even if i have crap ton of apps running,
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I planned to buy a new Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3, but then I noticed the free RAM is around 600 MB .
Would this RAM be sufficient enough for a smooth multi-tasking experience and with many widgets. ? ?
Initially, I thought of Samsung Note-2 which has around 0.91GB of free RAM which ofcourse ifs more than enough for any kind of multi-tasking.(but its too costky )
Is there anyway through which I can get more RAM on "Samsing Mega 6.3" ?? ?? ?? .. ....
What I thought was, the device has a total RAM of 1.5GB , so if I root the device & remove various redundant applications which I dont need & replace the launcher with a light one,
then will there be a chance to get around 800-900MB of RAM ?? ?? ??
rohitdhavade said:
I planned to buy a new Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3, but then I noticed the free RAM is around 600 MB .
Would this RAM be sufficient enough for a smooth multi-tasking experience and with many widgets. ? ?
Initially, I thought of Samsung Note-2 which has around 0.91GB of free RAM which ofcourse ifs more than enough for any kind of multi-tasking.(but its too costky )
Is there anyway through which I can get more RAM on "Samsing Mega 6.3" ?? ?? ?? .. ....
What I thought was, the device has a total RAM of 1.5GB , so if I root the device & remove various redundant applications which I dont need & replace the launcher with a light one,
then will there be a chance to get around 800-900MB of RAM ?? ?? ??
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Like they say, unused RAM is wasted RAM. In my experience the RAM is more than enough to do multitasking. I have not yet experienced any slow down because of RAM even under heavy load and I have tried having multiwindow with popup play running on top.
gx3k said:
Like they say, unused RAM is wasted RAM. In my experience the RAM is more than enough to do multitasking. I have not yet experienced any slow down because of RAM even under heavy load and I have tried having multiwindow with popup play running on top.
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I echo that JB handles rame really well as mentioned above unused ram is pointless and android will kill apps or processes in memory as and wehn required that way you have a smoother experience throughout as apps are able to refresh quicker, yet when needed will be killed off by the oom memory managment
thering1975 said:
I echo that JB handles rame really well as mentioned above unused ram is pointless and android will kill apps or processes in memory as and wehn required that way you have a smoother experience throughout as apps are able to refresh quicker, yet when needed will be killed off by the oom memory managment
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Ohh..
Thanks For that info, I didnt knew that apps are automatically killed as & when the need arises .
Then, its a good deal to buy mega 6.3.
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rohitdhavade said:
Ohh..
Thanks For that info, I didnt knew that apps are automatically killed as & when the need arises .
Then, its a good deal to buy mega 6.3.
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indeed it is, great phone indeed
My i9205 had around 1.1G ram of 1.32G used when new (just after boot). I uninstalled several samsung applications and it decreased to 0.9G used. If I "clear ram" I get around 600mb used. It seems to help, Chrome is seldom killed now, I can have many pages open and it does not need to reload them when coming back after doing other stuff.
You also seem to have a bit of a misunderstanding with how Linux memory management works.
It is easier to pull the RAM out of cache, and cache RAM isn't reported as "free" even though it essentially is, because it can be pressed into service as soon as it's needed and is a lot faster than taking it from the hard disk.
Linux also doesn't need "free RAM" to just be there to operate, a phone with 1.2GB "Free RAM" won't run any faster than one with 400MB free unless the processor is doing something in the background extra.
If anything, the one with 400MB will seem faster because it probably has the apps you use loaded in RAM without using any CPU so as soon as you try to open, let's say Facebook, it was already cached in RAM so it just boots right up.
Long story short, if you have 600MB free RAM, you have nothing to worry about in terms of performance on the phone.
Article: Samsung Galaxy K launch event scheduled for April 29th
Samsung Galaxy K launch event scheduled for April 29th
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-k-launch-event-368298/
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It's the Galaxy S5 "Zoom" for anyone who doesn't already know.
Smaller screen, bigger camera.
Whatever happened to the S5 Prime?
The one that was supposed to be:
805 processor (64 bit)
QHD 5.2 screen
4GB Ram
Most of that would be icing on the cake, but the fact that the S5 stuck with 2GB RAM is really a big reason I'm not jumping on upgrading. Heavy multitasking with a number of apps running is just so sluggish with 2GB RAM.
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lawhawk said:
Whatever happened to the S5 Prime?
The one that was supposed to be:
805 processor (64 bit)
QHD 5.2 screen
4GB Ram
Most of that would be icing on the cake, but the fact that the S5 stuck with 2GB RAM is really a big reason I'm not jumping on upgrading. Heavy multitasking with a number of apps running is just so sluggish with 2GB RAM.
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hmm S5 2GB ram is getting the job done , I haven't found sluggish performance what so every in heavy multitasking & GS5 is smoother then Note 3 that holds 3GB.
The LG G2 with 2GB is a different story though , After kitkat update device performance became shot on many levels.
A great benchmark video found at ATT GS5 forums,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2720526
lawhawk said:
Whatever happened to the S5 Prime?
The one that was supposed to be:
805 processor (64 bit)
QHD 5.2 screen
4GB Ram
Most of that would be icing on the cake, but the fact that the S5 stuck with 2GB RAM is really a big reason I'm not jumping on upgrading. Heavy multitasking with a number of apps running is just so sluggish with 2GB RAM.
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3gb isn't really required right now. Android apps are not that advance. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, AOSP always helps with the "sluggish" you speak of
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daxecutioner24 said:
3gb isn't really required right now. Android apps are not that advance. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, AOSP always helps with the "sluggish" you speak of
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daxecutioner24 said:
3gb isn't really required right now. Android apps are not that advance. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, AOSP always helps with the "sluggish" you speak of
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Wish that was the case for me. Even with a full wipe and clean install after about a half a days worth of normal usage my phone constantly is hovering around the max in RAM. I'm constantly having to goto the RAM manager to clear memory, otherwise tasks start to really become hung up in the response time.
Even things like a google search will become so lagged that the working circle just keeps spinning. Once I go and clear memory the search is back to normal like you would expect.
Unfortunately, this solution has to be repeated about every half hour and it's just really a major annoyance that it seems to be in need of more ram as my resources constantly seemed to be pushed to their max.
So why is my phone so slow and not responsive unless I clear the RAM if unused RAM is wasted RAM?
Even with clearing it, the least it will go down to in terms of use is .96GB - and typically shoots right back up to 1.37, 1.42, or 1.44 GB is use within a matter of minutes? !
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lawhawk said:
Wish that was the case for me. Even with a full wipe and clean install after about a half a days worth of normal usage my phone constantly is hovering around the max in RAM. I'm constantly having to goto the RAM manager to clear memory, otherwise tasks start to really become hung up in the response time.
Even things like a google search will become so lagged that the working circle just keeps spinning. Once I go and clear memory the search is back to normal like you would expect.
Unfortunately, this solution has to be repeated about every half hour and it's just really a major annoyance that it seems to be in need of more ram as my resources constantly seemed to be pushed to their max.
So why is my phone so slow and not responsive unless I clear the RAM if unused RAM is wasted RAM?
Even with clearing it, the least it will go down to in terms of use is .96GB - and typically shoots right back up to 1.37, 1.42, or 1.44 GB is use within a matter of minutes? !
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you probably got crapload of bloat running or messengers and stuff in the background
^ indeed. I run apps like crazy and I have no lag.
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lawhawk said:
Wish that was the case for me. Even with a full wipe and clean install after about a half a days worth of normal usage my phone constantly is hovering around the max in RAM. I'm constantly having to goto the RAM manager to clear memory, otherwise tasks start to really become hung up in the response time.
Even things like a google search will become so lagged that the working circle just keeps spinning. Once I go and clear memory the search is back to normal like you would expect.
Unfortunately, this solution has to be repeated about every half hour and it's just really a major annoyance that it seems to be in need of more ram as my resources constantly seemed to be pushed to their max.
So why is my phone so slow and not responsive unless I clear the RAM if unused RAM is wasted RAM?
Even with clearing it, the least it will go down to in terms of use is .96GB - and typically shoots right back up to 1.37, 1.42, or 1.44 GB is use within a matter of minutes? !
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Like people above me said bloatware. Have you even rooted? Or disable apps running in the background? Your never going to win by constantly closing apps ever so often. Let me tell you a secret, they will keep restarting back up. Most users outside of xda won't notice this, meaning almost everyone who buys this phone. Since you come here, when Roms come by, get them!!
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