Hi there,
i have a Xperia S with Stock Android 4.0 installed.
The phone has a good camera, but the photos are very highly compressed.
e.g. a photo with 4912x1080px is only 282KB in size.
Sony knows about the problem, but it does not look as if it will be fixed sonn.
My question:
Is there a photo app for Android with all the cool ICS-features (Sweep-Panorama and so on...)
in which i can set the JPEG compression quality by myself?
282 KB that seems a bit small, I'm getting between 2-3 MB
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normal shots:
4000x3000 shot at broad daylight: 1,74MB
4000x3000 at night: 2,05MB
4000x2250 daylight: 2,29MB
sweep panorama:
4912x1080: 376KB
4912x1080: 244KB
the normal shot qualitiy is ok, but not good.
The quality could be so much better, if i can set the jpeg quality higher / manually.
Use PROCAPTURE, its noise reducing mode is good enough, but a bit difficult to use...
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My panorama's are around 480kb, normal 12mp pics are 2-3mb like others which is indeed over / aggressively compressed it's quite a dynamic rate in terms of whats in the pic determines its size.
I have tried the camera ics+ app which has quality settings but it doesn't seem to compress any less even on 'ultra' mode which suggests the compression is done early on in the software loops
is there anyway to lose the compression, maybe sony can do it if they want..the 12mp snapper is not up to the performance when in low lights and the flash (camera flash) is really weak, some workaround for the flash ?? maybe?? i am really happy using UCAM , as the Stock camera app is really buggy and 3 out of 5 shots comes out blurred , but still the flash is really weak and causes red eye problems in low light conditons
keithwalton said:
My panorama's are around 480kb, normal 12mp pics are 2-3mb like others which is indeed over / aggressively compressed it's quite a dynamic rate in terms of whats in the pic determines its size.
I have tried the camera ics+ app which has quality settings but it doesn't seem to compress any less even on 'ultra' mode which suggests the compression is done early on in the software loops
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Using camera ics the file sizes of my images are significantly higher.
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I've noticed that the pictures in lower-than-normal light look a bit grainy. I've noticed that even at 8mp (3264x1840), the file size is about 1 mb. On every other camera I've used, 8mp resolution was about 4-6 mb. Is there any way to reduce the amount of compression applied to images? Can't imagine they would lock us into such a high compression rate without the ability to adjust it.
Try flashing xboarders amazing quick sense or ARHD custom roms. I'm not sure but I think most custom sense roms have zero compression in the camera app.
zellroot said:
Try flashing xboarders amazing quick sense or ARHD custom roms. I'm not sure but I think most custom sense roms have zero compression in the camera app.
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What if you haven't rooted the device?
davidktk said:
What if you haven't rooted the device?
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You may want to try ProCapture. Im taking photos with this app and it gives much nicer ones than either my stock telus camera or quiksense 1.4.1 camera.
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Try flashing xboarders amazing quick sense or ARHD custom roms. I'm not sure but I think most custom sense roms have zero compression in the camera app.
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Im using quick sense files still are 1-.1.5 mb.
xManMythLegend said:
Im using quick sense files still are 1-.1.5 mb.
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I used Root Explorer (Market) and altered the "media_profiles.xml" file to "100" for all compression levels for the camera. I also set the ImageDecoding Memcap to 80000000 instead of 20000000. Now my shots are all 5mb and above. HOWEVER...the problem appears to be the bit depth which is 8 and the ppi resolution is only 72. This is extremely poor for any camera. Unless the ppi resolution can be changed within the camera, I am of the opinion that there is no hope! It is a very tiny sensor compared to even a point and shoot camera so perhaps that is the best we can expect. I compared before and after picture quality and even at 5mb and up compared to 1-2mb, the exact same pictures still look the same!
frodoboy said:
I used Root Explorer (Market) and altered the "media_profiles.xml" file to "100" for all compression levels for the camera. I also set the ImageDecoding Memcap to 80000000 instead of 20000000. Now my shots are all 5mb and above. HOWEVER...the problem appears to be the bit depth which is 8 and the ppi resolution is only 72. This is extremely poor for any camera. Unless the ppi resolution can be changed within the camera, I am of the opinion that there is no hope! It is a very tiny sensor compared to even a point and shoot camera so perhaps that is the best we can expect. I compared before and after picture quality and even at 5mb and up compared to 1-2mb, the exact same pictures still look the same!
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Interesting. I did compare shots and the larger files didnt seem noticeably different.
I dont know enough about camera but that bit depth is poor for anything. Im assuming this was a tricky way to get the zero shutter lag going ?
Maybe a dev can take a gander and share his/her thoughts.
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting. I did compare shots and the larger files didnt seem noticeably different.
I dont know enough about camera but that bit depth is poor for anything. Im assuming this was a tricky way to get the zero shutter lag going ?
Maybe a dev can take a gander and share his/her thoughts.
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Yes the bit depth is horrendous! It is usually created by the hardware engine for the sensor so if that is all HTC put into it, I doubt any dev can make it better with a software patch if it truly is in the hardware. I tried my settings on all camera modes and I get around 5-7mpx for everything except the Clear Shot HDR. That locks the camera app up! I've been using Pro HDR camera anyway because it allows you to save up to an 8mpx image at full resolution. I have it in the same folder as the camera and camcorder (I love folders!) so I just select that when I want to shoot an HDR. I use my Panasonic G2 for normal shots and video anyway. The phone camera is just in case I don't have my big camera with me. I don't think HTC should even try to brag about how great this camera is. At 8mpx and 72ppi, it is a joke!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14Rle4s6tI
I'll be adding "Sony Bravia Engine" in my next ROM which increase's photo and video quality and i will be adding
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=8000000
ro.media.enc.hprof.vid.bps=8000000
ro.media.enc.jpeg.quality=90 or 100
Revolution said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14Rle4s6tI
I'll be adding "Sony Bravia Engine" in my next ROM which increase's photo and video quality and i will be adding
ro.media.dec.jpeg.memcap=8000000
ro.media.enc.hprof.vid.bps=8000000
ro.media.enc.jpeg.quality=90 or 100
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That was a convincing video of what the Bravia engine can do. Hope it can do that with our Amaze
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It will work better I think because of the QHD screen .
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A different take on this: Compression applied after capturing a low-light image probably isn't what is causing the low image quality & smaller filesize you're seeing. Image quality in all digital cameras drops when light levels fall below the sensor+lens ability to capture enough light for a good picture, and you get the equivalent of using high-ISO film: a grainy image with less detail to write to the file. The Amaze is still better than most phone cams, but will still not do as well as a larger point & shoot camera in low light -- regardless of compression.
That said . . . nope, I haven't 'gone deep' into how well compression itself works on the Amaze.
brocco99 said:
A different take on this: Compression applied after capturing a low-light image probably isn't what is causing the low image quality & smaller filesize you're seeing. Image quality in all digital cameras drops when light levels fall below the sensor+lens ability to capture enough light for a good picture, and you get the equivalent of using high-ISO film: a grainy image with less detail to write to the file. The Amaze is still better than most phone cams, but will still not do as well as a larger point & shoot camera in low light -- regardless of compression.
That said . . . nope, I haven't 'gone deep' into how well compression itself works on the Amaze.
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Holy crap you waited for two years before posting THIS!!!!
lol j.k
Personally its not about having PnS quality as lens size simply wont allow it. But if picture quality can be better...then I want to know. Particularly what the trade off is and why.
I remain curious as to how PQ compares to iPhone4 and GalaxyNexus. Such a pain to find comparison pics.
someone would suggest it as a "must buy"? did you notice quality gain in pictures and/or videos????
CaFFeiNe666 said:
someone would suggest it as a "must buy"? did you notice quality gain in pictures and/or videos????
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tried some shots with free version
photos, usually it hase lower is and faster timings, both with or without flash (sometimes razr uses so high isos with flash... 800+, camera ics uses 100 200, with no lighting difference)
some photos have a little better details in indoor, but also have a little more jpeg noise reduction... so usually better...
for videos..
couldn't set more than 1280, and 16fps, and no audio regolations (this is a huge pro for razr camera...)
probably isn't so worth, also cause i have camera zoom fx. camera advance, cameramx, camera360, if i want to shot better photos, with a lot more controls...
Quite strange that they declared the Xperia S to be the worst performer in the group and said:
But, it does look like the 12.1MP Sony Xperia S is the least impressive of the four devices, even with its megapixel superiority. The poorer quality can possibly be attributed to its lower cost and hence, cheaper hardware
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http://www.androidauthority.com/xperia-s-vs-iphone-4s-vs-s3-vs-one-x-camera-fight-90384/
Watch out for even more "fanboy" reviews to popup.
I have seen this article yesterday, I dont know what's going on but. I had chance to play with IPhone 4g and HTC ONE X cameras and I have to say that my SONY XPERIA S is the winner. Whoever made this macro picture with bananas for XPS _ completely f **** it. For me this looks like an anti -Sony competition ...
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Hmm...
I always take these photo reviews with a grain of salt. It is really the reviewers who make/break these sort of reviews.
He doesn't say whether he uses Auto-Mode, or anything like that. With standard settings I feel you aren't even capable of reviewing a camera properly...they leave it all up to the auto-mode to decide what settings to use.
Oh well, I know my Xperia S takes amazing pictures in comparison to most of those devices, that's all that matters to me, regardless of the random negative reviews here and there .
True. I am surprised to see such horrible photos taken with the Xperia S. XS can do much better than what the author managed. Pretty sure he used auto mode and didn't let the phone focus properly. Or maybe messed up the settings to make it seem worse.
well
XS camera is great and compare to my previous SGS 2, XS has fast focus and fast shutter speed.. even the color is better
https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/118344624379023636652/albums/5747354225338739793
Have you already tried any photos with low light.. they are pretty noisy i think the flash its not very good .. i mean my satio did better
tel033 said:
Have you already tried any photos with low light.. they are pretty noisy i think the flash its not very good .. i mean my satio did better
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That seems to be a software problem
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Hmm...
I always take these photo reviews with a grain of salt. It is really the reviewers who make/break these sort of reviews.
He doesn't say whether he uses Auto-Mode, or anything like that. With standard settings I feel you aren't even capable of reviewing a camera properly...they leave it all up to the auto-mode to decide what settings to use.
Oh well, I know my Xperia S takes amazing pictures in comparison to most of those devices, that's all that matters to me, regardless of the random negative reviews here and there .
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fully agree there is full of fanboys with no respect for the tecnology look at this video for example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A33-6M-XChs&feature=related
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Bad review I must say. I wonder if companies are paying reviewers to bash another company's product and make them less appealing. I find the iPhone 4S pics quite colour accurate but the Xperia S has much more detail and gives me perfect pictures. I seem to use my dSLR less since I got the S. I don't like HTC One X's camera. Just not as good. One reason I didn't consider it. Though I am not sure about S3. If it's close to S2's camera unit, I can crown my Xperia S as the winner
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waiflih said:
That seems to be a software problem
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Any tip or solution?
a4rocks said:
Bad review I must say. I wonder if companies are paying reviewers to bash another company's product and make them less appealing. I find the iPhone 4S pics quite colour accurate but the Xperia S has much more detail and gives me perfect pictures. I seem to use my dSLR less since I got the S. I don't like HTC One X's camera. Just not as good. One reason I didn't consider it. Though I am not sure about S3. If it's close to S2's camera unit, I can crown my Xperia S as the winner
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Can you upload some pics in low light please I'm having problems in normal conditions camera is great although sometimes a bit of noise but in low light AF problem but the worst is noise
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Any tip or solution?
Can you upload some pics in low light please I'm having problems in normal conditions camera is great although sometimes a bit of noise but in low light AF problem but the worst is noise
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The noise is caused by the small (better say tiny) light sensor on the phone. Sony makes the best sensor. I don't think any other phone uses better sensor than XS.
Photos from some phones "looks" better because they apply a stronger software noise reduction than SX does or they have a bigger apperture (e.g. HTC One X has F2.0 compare to F2.4 in XS). My solution to this is to apply noise reduction after I've loaded the photos to my PC using Lightroom.
Any way to applied it in the phone not in pc? Better is there a software to reduce the noise before shooting? You said that it's sensor was good but tiny right? So is it hardware problem ? Or software? Or both?
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Wow!
Hold on!
Just one picture and tooken with auto mode and this whole review...?
What the hell is this. This doesnt even makes sense...
This is more like:
Hey buddy im bored, let pick up some phones and take pictures and put it on internet.
So "we" can read it and discuss it so they can laugh their ass of...
In another threats .. With no "auto" mode they made few compares...
Different stages, scenes etc...
The xs came the best out.. It just beat all of them..
4s to s2(whens3 was not out)
Every high end smart phone.. But doesnt mind..
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Can you post link to the comparo where XS beat them all ?
The original review work comes from the mobile reviewer at cnet. Having read her reviews in the past she is very apple biased and seems unable to operate phones correctly.
In her original review of the xperia s (put up against iphone 4) she complained about the xs' camera taking 'letterbox' photos and that she prefered the iphones 4/3 images. If she'd of bothered to hit the menu button when using the camera she'd of found it was set to 9mp 16/9 and that a couple of clicks would of then set it to 12mp 4/3.
So dont expect her to have used anything but full auto mode.
The manual options in the xs' camera are great with things like target iso, and multi point auto focus.
If only they'd bothered to include the jpeg compression options as the default level dratically over compresses images and introduces artifacts.
Also on her low light test (and most of the tests tbh) ... the iphones colours look artificially over saturated (post process) the noise level on the iphone is also horrific yet she complains at the rest!
It's also funny to see her complaining about the iso effect, its probably because the xs and gs3 can change there iso and the rest cant! Try having some movement in the image and then see how well the iphone copes.
What is also funny is that the images have all been resized for web display, having 50% more pixels to start with gives you more options for post processing and thus noise reduction
So if we could adjust the jpeg compression the noise would be reduce right?
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The noise is caused by the small (better say tiny) light sensor on the phone.
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That's not strictly true, the noise comes from the software raising ISO in low light, all sensors from the tiny ones in a phone to a full frame 35mm one will suffer from noise as the ISO is raised. Its just that the bigger the sensor the higher the ISO needs to before it to become a problem.
If noise is a problem then just use Neat Image, nothing comes close to it http://www.neatimage.com/
The noise in this camera is not particularly bad, tbh in low light every digital camera will have noise because of the use of higher ISO. I think the 12mp sensor also make the noise more visible...I'm not sure about the technical details though...
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The basic gist of iso levels is as follows.
For a given amount of light hitting the sensor (metered) an exposure duration is determined.
Increasing the iso level decreases the exposure time for the same amount of light.
A shorter exposure time reduces the signal to noise ratio significantly, but it also reduces motion blur. Noise can be post processed, blur not so much.
My old nokia n95 would have exposure times of over 2 seconds in low light conditions, chance that everything remained totally motionless in this time is very small!
The exposure duration is usually stored in the exif file, I hope her original files kept all this sort of info!
The xs' camera has potential because we can change the target iso value (though compared to a still camera they're still low) we can also change the metering method as well. I haven't seen either of these features before in a phone camera.
The only thing we are missing is the ability manually specifiy exposure duration.
You are also correct in that the higher pixel density of a sensor the higher probabiltiy of noise.
Ability to take raw photo's or 100% quality jpegs would be nice (people have done mods to enable 100% jpeg quality, but I cant root my phone at present to test it as i use sky go)
Edit - Just checked the exif info on the 'original full size' images and its been wiped file sizes are interesting though.
GS3 - 2.1mb, IP4 - 2.6mb, 1X - 1.5mb, XS - 2.0mb
Have just noticed all the 1x pics are 6 megapixel images in 16:9 format which seems suspicious to me. But it says it all for the XS when it has a smaller file size than the GS3 and IP4 yet 50% more pixels.
Rough rule of thumb is that you need at least 1/2mb per megapixel to avoid any degradation on a full image (ie no patches of black or white)
Ok, it seems like every picture taken under the conditions mentioned above(sorry forgot to write them: natural light, inside my room, pretty much a well lit room, besides the fact i didn't turn on the lights) and everything else set on auto, have the same result. I get either a blurry shot, without the antishake option and a noisy one, when having antishake on.
Also i would like to mention, that this particular behaviour happens in a rather well lit environment. The only time i get acceptable results is when i go out and shoot in the natural sunlight.
Is this normal?
You didn't list any conditions above.
Let me just add some examples, maybe you will understand what i'm talking about a little bit better
1. camera ics+
2. camera zoom fx
3. stock samsung camera
4. lg camera pro
Your iso settings are wrong. Change it to auto.
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As i already mentioned, my iso settings are set to auto. Any ideas?
i m having same issues, suddenly, the in door shots are coming with horrible noise
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it's normal for a cell phone camera - or any type of small sensor camera, actually
Well then, why other camera apps shoot a little bit better? My old Samsung Omnia was a better shooter in this regard. Also, could you provide some photos too?
Scratch.
You edited your post.
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I did, but my iso is always on auto nevertheless
I would try three things:
- Set ISO manually. I don't have an S3, but with my S2 I get the best results by setting ISO manually.
- Turn antishake off. In general, electronic stabilization adds noise (unlike mechanical/optical stabilization which does not add noise).
- Try to hold the phone a still as possible while taking the picture.
That said, keep in mind that any small sensor camera like what you have in any phone is not going to perform well without good lighting. However the S3 should be one of the best of the phone cameras.
yes u r right that while using antishake option it produces noise thats y its off by default!! and u r wrong that it is blurry bcoz if antishake is off my gs3 takes noise free perfect pictures its has a gud BSI sensor (Cmos) try not to shake ur hands while taking pic.!
contrast is not automatic...
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automatic contrast does lead to more noise on mine (judging from the preview window)
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automatic contrast does lead to more noise on mine (judging from the preview window)
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Yes, In the dark the noise Is more high with automatic contrast...
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my first gs3 phone's pictures were immaculate in doors and out, but i had overheating issues so i got a replacement...this new phones camera does this...too much noise, didn't have that with the first phone the replacement phones case came damaged so i'm hoping to exchange it once more...hopefully the next phone won't have this camera problem....
I have the same issue, I've been comparing the pics with my S2 and results are really bad indoor, except with flash. much better than S2 with flash! im really puzzled
I had posted here my cam firmware version, I'm wondering if it's the camera app or else
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27553609&postcount=274
okay....i am not sure whether you guys have knowledge about photography
exposure is measured by 3 component
ISO, shutter speed, and aperture
as long you have sufficient light (outdoor during daylight), lowest ISO will be used by the camera and it results no noise
ISO --- sensitivity to light
you will have noise or sometimes blur in door or low light situation...
that is because aperture of camera has opened wide then it results other two components compensate to maintain proper exposure
that will increase higher ISO (more noise) and shutter speed is slower to get more light ...
hope this explains why
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okay....i am not sure whether you guys have knowledge about photography
exposure is measured by 3 component
ISO, shutter speed, and aperture
as long you have sufficient light (outdoor during daylight), lowest ISO will be used by the camera and it results no noise
ISO --- sensitivity to light
you will have noise or sometimes blur in door or low light situation...
that is because aperture of camera has opened wide then it results other two components compensate to maintain proper exposure
that will increase higher ISO (more noise) and shutter speed is slower to get more light ...
hope this explains why
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I dont think you understand that I have S3 and S2 with me and test them under the exactly same conditions and results are very different from all the tests of S3 on the web which clearly show that S3 takes better pics.
hm....it's hard to explain...unless you have DSLR and know how to do manual setting...
besides i am referring this to OP thread,NoOneCanHelpMe why there is camera blur and noise
I have been very disappointed with the Z Ultra camera, when I'm about to take a photo it looks gorgeous on the phone screen but then it looks crappy after the shot is taken.
There is a big loss of detail, it's almost if some sort of oil paint effect was applied to the photos on.
Today I noticed that the videos have much better image quality than the photos, I can pause a video and see how beautiful the image looks compared to regular shots.
I used to own a T2 Ultra and it had an excellent depth of field which allow me to shoot beautiful macros, the Z ultra has a bright lens on the specs but I can't get the same quality on the macros.
Overall it seems that the camera driver is messing around with the sharpness on the still pictures and screwing up something, is the camera driver source code available from the AOSP project?
I tried many, many other apps but it doesn't help much other than adding post processing tricks on top of the pictures, the problem seems to lie on the camera driver.
Thanks
use a 3rd party camera app that allows you to set the ISO abd set that at 50 or 100 at max. The image will be better, but not perfect. The underlying processor is poor in the ZU
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use a 3rd party camera app that allows you to set the ISO abd set that at 50 or 100 at max. The image will be better, but not perfect. The underlying processor is poor in the ZU
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I felt that there could be some hope for the camera if the driver could be improved, the specs of the image sensor seem to be not bad compared to it's "brother" sensors: here.
I still believe that the driver is applying some heavy sharpening on the image and not doing a good job as far as of contrast/dynamic range as well as encoding raw image to JPEG inefficiently thus delivering washed out pictures.
IMX134 8 M Exmor RS sensor.
1.12μm pixel size.
IU134F9-Z lens.
f/2.4 aperture.
28mm aperture.