Source from China local media. They said ONE S&X have eaten Jellybean and other devices with 1G ram would eat Jellybean as well,but HTC did not confirm when we will receive OTA update. The only thing we can do is waiting.......Just like the days we were waiting for ICS......
Just because we meet the technical requirements to get JB doesn't mean we will. Sprint's EOL'ed our phone, and Virgin Mobile has never cared about updates at all. So why then does HTC have any incentive to give us an update?
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android41faq/
But even if we get official update by that time when it will be released many people will probably have a different phone.
But still i hope it won't take as long as it took from GB to ICS.
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But even if we get official update by that time when it will be released many people will probably have a different phone.
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Here's a quote from the link you posted:
What devices will not get Android 4.1?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB RAM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.1. At present, these devices include the HTC One V and the HTC Desire C. As we identify other devices that will not be upgraded, we'll provide updated information.
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There are a lot more HTC phones with 512MB or less, but those are the currently marketed models. Although the FAQ doesn't explicitly say so, I'm sure they are only intending to address phones that are still being sold by the carriers, which does not include the Evo 3D, and I doubt they would include the Evo V either.
They did say they will review their products released in 2011, which includes the Evo 3D, so I guess there is still hope but I think we have a better chance if one our devs ports a Sense 4+ Jelly Bean ROM to the Evo 3D/V.
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Ok the Evo 3D will not receive jb, why? For the simple fact that our phones are 3d capable,, HTC will not take the time nor the resources to customize jb for 1 individual phone, it makes no financial sense, HTC is losing money. Why would you wait for HTC anyways when jb is already available for the Evo in a custom rom
( Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh! )
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Why would you wait for HTC anyways when jb is already available for the Evo in a custom rom
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Only if you want Sense+ and eventually some dev will probably port a JB ROM with that version of Sense from another device to the Evo 3D/V.
ramjet73
Personally I am sick of sense, prefer the clean appearance of cm10 now, but that's what great about android is you can freely change your rom to your personal liking
( Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh! )
I am also sick of HTC. I have a craving for Samsung that hopefully be satisfied black Friday at Best Buy to the tune of $48 for an s3.
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Ok the Evo 3D will not receive jb, why? For the simple fact that our phones are 3d capable,, HTC will not take the time nor the resources to customize jb for 1 individual phone, it makes no financial sense, HTC is losing money. Why would you wait for HTC anyways when jb is already available for the Evo in a custom rom
( Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh! )
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But compare to the stock rom,custom rom is not stable. Especially some of custom rom can not offer 3D function......
i think we wont get it..b ecause they will also have to create a new version of sense which they wont
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Ok the Evo 3D will not receive jb, why? For the simple fact that our phones are 3d capable,, HTC will not take the time nor the resources to customize jb for 1 individual phone, it makes no financial sense, HTC is losing money. Why would you wait for HTC anyways when jb is already available for the Evo in a custom rom
( Don't ask me for help as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh! )
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Agreed. We wont get an official JB. Sprint EOL'D our phone (strike 1) WiMAX and 3D are dead and limited technologies now (Strikes 2 and 3)
I think their statement that 512mb RAM phones won't get it is telling. I've been running Disarmed Toast, and Anthrax'ed JB for about a month now and RAM usage seems about the same as ICS. I think the ram limit is arbitrary and more a "we won't because they are old and EOL." Its easier for folks to accept a "hardware limitation" than "its old, but can totally run it if we didn't feel it was a waste of resources"
With the "some 2011" line, I'm assuming the ones that sold well and didn't have any unique features.
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dont hold your breath guy's. << penalty for stating the obvious <me>
I find it amusing how some people go:
its EOL by Sprint.
and?
what about GSM?
Its true that its a lot of effort for HTC to go through, but they could just stick two fingers up to CDMA and still produce a GSM version
Besides - if they did release one it'll probably get defunked by the carrier anyway. a bit like it took awhile to get ICS out through carriers while GSM was living the high life.
it does annoy me that people rave about one particular phone/carrier when there are other options available. I have no problem with it in the CDMA/GSM dev forums but in the general one its a bit annoying that the whole world centers around that one persons carrier/phone combination
Just because they are financially not stable and are losing people that use their products is the reason they should make an update so they can KEEP people that are still at HTC side so a good word can be said about them, for example when a friend of yours is on the market for a new phone you can easily convince them to choose HTC because of their good reputation with updates. So I still have some hope to get official JB update.
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Im really on the verge of jumping ship to another phone say sensation or the sensation xe ,the reason is not that I don't like this evo 3d gsm,but there hasn't been an s-off or as much roms as the cdma version....I must admit I love this phone ,but without root and yes I ain't gonna do a HTC method (not willing to loose warrenty.),I can't enjoy to It's full potential.... So please fellow xda members,tell me what are the chances of the gsm evo 3d gonna get s- off ? If so will the gsm have as much roms as the cdma? Please give me Ur input whether I should jump ship or pray and wait ? But I really need cold hard facts or probability if i were to stay as the same ...
Thx in advance for your inputs...
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Im really on the verge of jumping ship to another phone say sensation or the sensation xe ,the reason is not that I don't like this evo 3d gsm,but there hasn't been an s-off or as much roms as the cdma version....I must admit I love this phone ,but without root and yes I ain't gonna do a HTC method (not willing to loose warrenty.),I can't enjoy to It's full potential.... So please fellow xda members,tell me what are the chances of the gsm evo 3d gonna get s- off ? If so will the gsm have as much roms as the cdma? Please give me Ur input whether I should jump ship or pray and wait ? But I really need cold hard facts or probability if i were to stay as the same ...
Thx in advance for your inputs...
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Wouldn't hold your breathe on alpharevex/unrevoked releasing s-off in place of the htc unlock method. I do associate with alpharevx/unrevoked on occasion and they are all very skilled and knowledgable.
Reasons why I don't see them releasing an s-off method to overwrite htc's unlock method:
1) HTC patched previously used exploits in their latest software version rending previously used exploits, at least for initial root access, useless
2) Requires a great deal of time and energy to exploit, reverse engineer, package together and release a new method of unlocking the device.
3) The differences between s-off and htc unlock s-on are minor. No kernel write access in standard recovery mode.
Alpharevx/unrevoked also collect your serial number and do have the ability to send this information to HTC, if they so chose. Never heard anything about them actually doing this, I'm just pointing out the obvious, both groups collect serial numbers.
4) Unrevoked was passionate their main goal was for all devices to grant the user root access if the user so wants. HTC has essentially accomplished this for this device, EVO 3D. Sure, the method is not 100% perfect, but is is incredibly better than their previously held position against.
Regarding the unlocking methods, how does the sensation differ? I'm not as familar with this device. Although the user base does seem to be quite large and their development community is not burdended with the extra 3D closed source proprietary software which has plagued the 3D community.
Hope that helps provide some information.
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Wouldn't hold your breathe on alpharevex/unrevoked releasing s-off in place of the htc unlock method. I do associate with alpharevx/unrevoked on occasion and they are all very skilled and knowledgable.
Reasons why I don't see them releasing an s-off method to overwrite htc's unlock method:
1) HTC patched previously used exploits in their latest software version rending previously used exploits, at least for initial root access, useless
2) Requires a great deal of time and energy to exploit, reverse engineer, package together and release a new method of unlocking the device.
3) The differences between s-off and htc unlock s-on are minor. No kernel write access in standard recovery mode.
Alpharevx/unrevoked also collect your serial number and do have the ability to send this information to HTC, if they so chose. Never heard anything about them actually doing this, I'm just pointing out the obvious, both groups collect serial numbers.
4) Unrevoked was passionate their main goal was for all devices to grant the user root access if the user so wants. HTC has essentially accomplished this for this device, EVO 3D. Sure, the method is not 100% perfect, but is is incredibly better than their previously held position against.
Regarding the unlocking methods, how does the sensation differ? I'm not as familar with this device. Although the user base does seem to be quite large and their development community is not burdended with the extra 3D closed source proprietary software which has plagued the 3D community.
Hope that helps provide some information.
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Hey ,those facts you stated really has given me a lot of information ...
As to your last question ,the reason I rather go with the sensation is that it has s-off and likewise u said ,a large community thus more Rom development..
Now I need to decide whether to stay as a gsm evo 3s owner or jump ships ...
So if i were to stay ,is it better to wait for the ICS update by HTC then unlock the bootloader or ..might as well do it Asap??as far as i know ,HTC method voids the warrenty..
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kaysen said:
Hey ,those facts you stated really has given me a lot of information ...
As to your last question ,the reason I rather go with the sensation is that it has s-off and likewise u said ,a large community thus more Rom development..
Now I need to decide whether to stay as a gsm evo 3s owner or jump ships ...
So if i were to stay ,is it better to wait for the ICS update by HTC then unlock the bootloader or ..might as well do it Asap??as far as i know ,HTC method voids the warrenty..
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Technically all methods void the warranty, but only the HTC method is trackable by HTC and leaves either *UNLOCKED* or *RELOCKED* at the top of the bootloader.
Not sure whether or not carriers are able to track the HTC method or how informed/update to date they are. Decision for warranty work with the carrier at their service center is probably left up to the carrier.
Personally speaking, I've never had any hardware issues where I've had to have the device repaired. Returning the device to the carrier or manufacturer has never been an issue for me, although I do try and take extra care of my devices.
HTC announced official ICS updates for the EVO 3D in early 2012 according to the tweet which linked to a fb post on their fb page a week or so ago.
Hope that helps!
joeykrim said:
Technically all methods void the warranty, but only the HTC method is trackable by HTC and leaves either *UNLOCKED* or *RELOCKED* at the top of the bootloader.
Not sure whether or not carriers are able to track the HTC method or how informed/update to date they are. Decision for warranty work with the carrier at their service center is probably left up to the carrier.
Personally speaking, I've never had any hardware issues where I've had to have the device repaired. Returning the device to the carrier or manufacturer has never been an issue for me, although I do try and take extra care of my devices.
HTC announced official ICS updates for the EVO 3D in early 2012 according to the tweet which linked to a fb post on their fb page a week or so ago.
Hope that helps!
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As far as I can remember,when I was using a HTC incredible s I got it hanged on the HTC logo ,tried every way to unbrick it ..So I decided to send to HTC for repair ,(note :I had it rooted and with revolutionary s-off),the HTC staff said it was still on warrenty...so after 3days or so ,I received my Inc s with a report saying ,"Engineer replaced the main board " Free of charge because of warrenty...and I believe that changing a main board will cost a lot $$? Am I right ?..the point is I was pretty much surprised by the fact that the device was repaired for free even though is s-off ...
So now Im in a dillema ,not sure to wait for s-off for the evo 3d gsm...I am worried if i were to brick it unintentionally,maybe I might get it repaired FOC...on another hand,going the HTC method will definatly void the warrenty cause there is a record...So ...I really don't know ...
Thx for your tips...
I hope this thread might help others in the same situation as me ..
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This is horrible news for us owners of the flagship Verizon HTC phone, looks like they are more focused on what is already in the pipeline.
The story is all over if you search for it, I can't post outside links yet because I've been more of a readers here on XDA. I found the story on GigaOm.
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I wouldn't say it's horrible news. Just news. Good things come to those who wait.
From the Rez Beast
I wouldn't be too worried.
The first HTC ICS updates are listed as Sensation, Sensation XE, and Sensation XL in late March. Since our phone is essentially a Verizon branded Sensation XE, I'm sure we will have a fully-functional port soon after that update releases.
Here's a link for those who want it
http://blogs.computerworld.com/19706/htc_ice_cream_sandwich
I'm living on a yellow submarine
djdubd said:
This is horrible news for us owners of the flagship Verizon HTC phone, looks like they are more focused on what is already in the pipeline.
The story is all over if you search for it, I can't post outside links yet because I've been more of a readers here on XDA. I found the story on GigaOm.
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Who cares when we have leaks?
Better than my old thunderbolt which isn't even on the list, that phone imo deserves it more than us
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and the official quote from htc's facebook page, if anyone cares
HTC has been working hard to get its Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades ready, and we’re excited to announce that our first round of ICS upgrades will roll out by the end of March for the HTC Sensation, HTC Sensation 4G and HTC Sensation XE, followed soon there after by the HTC Sensation XL.
In addition, we can confirm Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades will be coming later this year to the HTC Rezound, HTC Vivid, HTC Amaze 4G, HTC EVO 3D, HTC EVO Design 4G, HTC Incredible S, HTC Desire S and HTC Desire HD. Stay tuned for more updates on Ice Cream Sandwich releases in the coming weeks.
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I wouldn't be too worried.
The first HTC ICS updates are listed as Sensation, Sensation XE, and Sensation XL in late March. Since our phone is essentially a Verizon branded Sensation XE, I'm sure we will have a fully-functional port soon after that update releases.
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I thought the same thing, hope so.
Guess it isn't "horrible" but it is definitely par for the course as far as Android updates go.
We will no doubt have a working port soon after the XE releases, if not a fully functional one before that with all the leaks!
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Incredible S, thats shocking.
From what someone else commented on , the reason the Rezound and those other phones are " later this year " is because of Verizon and the CDMA proprietary stuff. Makes sense I guess, that Verizon has to ruin ICS by trying to bloat it out to the max and it takes them awhile to figure how to piss off the consumers hence the delay
Blame Verizon for ice now? Htc said rezound will get ics very soon in 2012, now it is later this year. Bloatware works with ics or gb, so that is not an excuse for htc to delay this. Later this year probably means later now. I highly doubt we get it anytime before fall.
Rezound should be a priority for them like they said it should not be included with likes of EVO 3d. Hell vivid is a gsm phone and that is even later this year. So the cdma argument is invalid.
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How is any of this shocking to anyone? I didn't expect to get the official release until October, anything sooner is gravy.
What blows my mind is that the independent devs have fully-functional ICS ROMs out for the Rezound already. I just flashed the latest CleanROM ICS version yesterday, and it runs without a hiccough, and my Moto XOOM 4G has had ICS for quite a while. Why is it that teams of hobbyists can be so far ahead of the paid developers?
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How is any of this shocking to anyone? I didn't expect to get the official release until October, anything sooner is gravy.
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Agreed. Hold low expectations, that way IF it does come early we'll be pleasently surprised.
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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All we are talking about here is rezound. What did htc say? This will be getting ics soon in 2012, now it is later. I didn't expect anything better but hey how hard is it to just keep your word? I mean they literally just said hey "later".
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I wouldn't be too worried.
The first HTC ICS updates are listed as Sensation, Sensation XE, and Sensation XL in late March. Since our phone is essentially a Verizon branded Sensation XE, I'm sure we will have a fully-functional port soon after that update releases.
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Don't you mean XL seeing as the XE has a qHD display while the XL has a 720p display like ours?
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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The fact that they're a big company makes it harder? I don't think so. They do have plenty of phones to develop for, but they should have the staff to support it. And they shouldn't have indicated that the Rezound would be getting ICS soon, then turn around and say "later". I bought mine under the assumption that it would be in the first quarter of 2012. Waiting until October is absurd. Nine months in phone years is like 70 human years!!
Like dbutters said, how can a hobbyist clean up the leaked ROM in a matter of a couple of days, but a mulit-million dollar company like HTC can't get it done with dozens of developers? I don't get it. And if they don't have enough developers, then they've got some hiring to do.
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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But they don't have millions of different models of phones which is what would make a difference. How many actual handsets are out there is irrelevant.
And as a poster above mentioned, the hobbyists have already taken the leak and made it functional, so the paid devs should be able to be close behind taking into consideration that hey have to have all the bugs worked out before a release.
I'm a little disappointed to not have a fully HTC-made version of ICS before then, honestly.
I bet if this phone were marketed like the GNX was, it would be done much more quickly. Not a lot of Rezounds sold = lower priority.
UK HTC Facebook page says ICS will be out by the end of March.
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I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable. We need to start a petition and start harassing htc to get there **** together. Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them. We can harass sprint but I think everyone in the US still with sprint is either because they don't care or they to have unlimited data. So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs. I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait.
I want this thread to be ideas as to what we can do to change how we are seeing the mobile area form. *I have to say I am contemplating windows 8 phones with quad cores and lte if they come out before the end of the year, because of all this bs.
Things I want.
Unlimited data
1080p gorrila glass screen (we are on the verge of quad hd- not too much to ask)
1080p capture
over 13 mp camera
removable battery
sd card slot
lte
quad core
more than 2 gb of ram
more than 64 gb of storage
wish list
waterproof case
5000mah battery
Your expectations is too high, mate..
But cool imagination..
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I get your mad but this only makes about the 50th thread about this. If you want ics go buy a nexus or use one of the other ics roms. You could help by developing yourself and stop complaining. I bought this phone because it was faster than the EVO 4g not because of ics. And mean Rom is great so isn't just about every ROM in the development section ( blaming that as to why I'm a flashaholic) unless I missed something and ics with sense will cure everything. So just chill for now I'm sure your phone works fine and if you need something so bad either develop or pay to play.
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Yeah lol they won't care what the little people want.
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Cool sorry bro...
Oh wow lol. Nice
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Maybe this will fuel his rage a little more:
www.engadget.com/2012/04/21/sprint-discontinues-htc-evo-3d/
Those specs are very reachable.. they won't because that's how they control their own market to maximize sales. IPhone has 64gig memory other phones in Europe have 12+ MP and another gig of ram wouldn't be hard at all... Point being is that they all have to be complete control freaks ( not as bad as apple)
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And if sprint is discontinuing the 3D all the more reason to release ICS if it won't hurt sales... Most people that have the 3D can't upgrade till next year anyways
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my point is that people that bought the htc evo 3d, if your like me, bought the first dual core wimax phone. ics wasn't a secret. jellybean is coming out. wtf are we waiting for. htc is trying to act like apple but we get less memory. they lock our bootloaders and now no sd cards and removable batteries. android an open source is being more closed than apple. let not forget people have been hacking iphone for a long time now. the reason we choose android is because we can mod the stuff ourselves without or at least thats what it was in its prime. the specs I lay out aren't even that hard. why the **** do I have to settle with 4gb of storage when apple was putting out 32. Remember we made htc what it was. from people from back in the day with htc mogul, htc touch pro touch pro 2 and htc evo know what im talking about. I think if all of the people that not only create the mods that we download but all of people that come on xda say they will not buy another phone from htc until we start seeing what we want we could make a change. remember we did make enough of a fuss about the bootloader that we atleast scared htc.
HTC will release ICS when they are ready to release it. Starting a petition will only waste your time. HTC is aware that the minority of their customer base is very unhappy with the lack of a timely release. How many petitions were started when everyone was waiting for GB for the OG EVO? Did these petitions have any effect on HTC to make them release it any faster, not one bit.
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Hey, op, next time, maybe you shouldn't get an android.
I know I probably won't.
look at the **** we are getting for htc. about a million different sensations, and all this bull**** with evo shift evo design.
Also mean rom is great, don't get me wrong. but why do our people have to **** with gingerbread when we want to be messing around with ics.
as for getting a nexus, the nexus is great but sprint gets it 6 months later and i wasnt going to get a single core when dual cores are coming in. and i wont get the galaxy nexus when quad core are here.
htc said they are going to stop making so many different phones like a new sensation every week but why the **** are the putting in non-replaceable batteries and no sd cards. on top of that give us 16 gb of storage. the ****ing lowest level of the iphone.
I hate apple with a passion but steve jobs was the only person pushing this industry forward. My point is that we are the consumer and if we refuse to buy the crap the give us until they give us what we want we can make a change
I agree
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
Cool story bro
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What people fail to realize is companies like htc and samsung could care less about the small number of customers like us (rooters + XDA'ers). the majority of their customers could care less about things like locked bootloaders or ICS.
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This ^
I have been with Android since the drop of the cdma Hero and I am still the only person I know in Roanoke VA. that even knows what a rooted phone is aside from the friends I've told... Nobody cares except the extreme minority... Which is us here.
I'm Batman..
"I'm starting a new post to say we need to get pissed. From November I've been looking online every ****ing day to see if any new information will arrive. I don't give a dam if this is googles htc or sprints fault. This is completely bull**** and unacceptable."
Why is it unacceptable? ICS source was, I believe, released in November. That's about 6 months ago. HTC has a large portfolio of devices that they need to work on upgrading, bug testing, and so on. They're going to make sure they release a finished product. They had to prioritize something, so they focused on the Sensation line first. You didn't get picked first, deal with it. It's only been 6 months. It seems like a long time, but for a corporation that is designing new phones, working on upgrading older ones, and dealing with a lot of other things, that isn't that long at all. Also, it's not like other manufacturers have been releasing ICS on their phones left and right. Show me a Moto phone that has been upgraded. How about the Epic 4G Touch's update?
"Lets keep it real, google has released everything so the fact that we have complete working versions I keep the blame off them."
What are you trying to say? Are you saying that this isn't Google's fault because they've released the source code? That's true. This isn't their fault. But it's not like the source code that they release can just be put onto our phones; HTC actually needs to do work with that. The update between Gingerbread and ICS is a pretty significant one, so HTC probably has to put quite a bit of work into it.
"So lets get on HTC, the evo lte does not have a removable battery or sd card. We are the ones that buy these phones. They lock our boot loaders, this is just all bs."
What's wrong with the lack of a removable battery? It's a design choice. I bet you can't think of one reason not to have a removable battery other than to use a larger battery. Guess what? Too bad. HTC chose to integrate the battery so that they could give a better built phone. And the LTE DOES have a removable SD card. This shows that you barely even did research on the phone before deciding to complain about it.
We and thousands of others buy these phones. HTC locks the bootloader for safety reasons. I can't believe that people do not understand this. They don't want to have to deal with idiots messing up the phones. There are plenty of people here who know how to flash ROMs but other than that cannot hold their own at all. HTC has nothing to gain by unlocking the bootloaders on their phones, and a lot to lose. But they offer a way for us to unlock them officially, and in a safe way. Almost all of their recent devices are supported by this, and you don't have to worry about updates. It really is a good service but people overlook it because it voids their warranty. Which it should.
"I mean sick seeing posts about mean rom and people saying this will hold me over till ics. They the **** do we have to wait."
Mean ROM is a great ROM and it provides a stable experience for people that want a fully working phone. Our current ICS ROMs are buggy and not nearly stable enough. They also lack some basic functionality, such as camera and 4G. We have to wait because the update hasn't been released yet.
Bottom line: This phone hasn't been updated yet, but neither has the Rezound, the RAZR, the Epic 4G Touch, and so on.. the number of phones that have been updated is incredibly low. This is because they haven't finished them yet. These are companies that release expensive electronics to consumers, and need good reviews from their customers. This means that they have to work at nearly perfecting a release; they have to fix the bugs, make it stable, and make sure everyone will be able to use it without problems. If they release an update that hasn't been tested thoroughly enough, they could face major backlash from the market. Now instead of a few hundred people on development forums complaining that an update hasn't been released yet, they have thousands upon thousands of customers with phones that don't work right.
Making a few hundred people angry >>>>> making a few thousand people angry.
This applies to all of the OEMs, not just HTC. So stop your complaining, stop your whining. You aren't the only one in the world who hasn't gotten his precious ICS update yet. Many other people are waiting for it too, on different carriers, different phones, and so on. All around the world. I don't think you realize that it isn't as simple as copy and pasting to each phone and throwing it out there. It works here on XDA because the users can function as testers, but that's not how professional businesses work. Users are not supposed to be testers for their work; they have employees for that.
My reply to this will be in another thread!
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WOW!
At least samsung has made the effort to get JB to S2....
It's no wonder that allot of us are feeling the sting of no JB on the rezound...
Lego
Even worse they got a leak one or twice a month.
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I think even worse is the fact the Droid Bionic is suppose to be getting JB. Wow.
It's because the S2 was Samsung's flagship.. The Rezound is HTC's redheaded stepchild on VZW. Simple enough?
Motorola and Samsung are both updating phone over a year older than the Rezound and HTC is wondering why they are losing more and more customers cause instead of updating phones they are making you buy new phones to get the next operating system. I won't be getting the Next HTC phone for Verizon I am hoping the Google/Motorola phone is real cause that is the route I wanna go.
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Motorola and Samsung are both updating phone over a year older than the Rezound and HTC is wondering why they are losing more and more customers cause instead of updating phones they are making you buy new phones to get the next operating system. I won't be getting the Next HTC phone for Verizon I am hoping the Google/Motorola phone is real cause that is the route I wanna go.
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Ya, I really want the HTC one, but I just can't do it after their lack of support for the rezound.
If the one isn't as big as they need it to be,they will move on quickly to another device. They can't afford to support more than one device at a time I don't think.
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SII is getting 4.2 as well. Always get Samsung for good support. Even Ace II is getting 4.2. HTC are terrible on support. Samsung or Google Nexus are the best for updates
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I remember a time when Samsung really wasn't that good with updates, boy have times changed. I am close to wanting to drop the Rezound for the Maxx HD, just for the better battery life and better update support(at least so it seems), but the screen and size of the Rezound really has me(it's pretty much the only HD screen on a 4.3in device). HTC is really testing our patients I think.
I was just saying this the other day... Joke's on us I guess. Should have just dealt with moto or samsung and not had the best phone out to get updates. HTC makes beautiful phones but I'm kind of sick of sense and no/really slow updates. I don't see why they don't give us sense 4 and jb. If they did I might change my mind. But we don't even have the latest ICS and sense 3.6 or w/e is worse than 3.5 imo lol. I feel basically forced to get a GS4 even if I didn't sort of want one.. At least I know it will be supported for a couple of years or more. Samsung used to have a bad track record too, now HTCs is even worse than Samsungs was.
Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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I'm not saying our devs aren't great. But if we had jelly bean from HTC imagine how tits everything would be then... And it would have saved everyone a ton of work just to get something to boot. But no... HTC gnf.
Edit: or even a better sense ICS update for that matter, Smh lol
I agree that HTC needs to support its past phones, a Dev community is only as good as leaks or full releases from the company itself. CM is bad ass cause goggle releases the code and the Dev add or take away things that they like. But as far as giving us Jelly bean on the Rezound with everything working would still take help from HTC. As you can see by the stand still in the development section progress stands still without leaks, OTAs and most important the code itself from HTC. Unless having less phones will give them time to concentrate on updating past phones I don't think HTC will update the Rezound any further. I am hoping July will be the month I upgrade to the Xphone if its real but we'll find that in May hopefully
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A high end nexus for Verizon would be a dream come true. Even if verizon didn't sell it directly
I have a Rezound and a RAZR. With the 4.1.2 update for the RAZR it only seemed to perform slightly faster then the Rezound with 4.0.3
Even so, I still don't really use the RAZR for much of anything at all(it's just a backup phone).
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Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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Don't forget Chad. I wouldn't even have jumped into the game if it hadn't been for his AOSP RIL.
JB + sense4 for my rezound will be my wishlist
since evo LTE and droid DNA will get sense5
Once my upgrade is here - I'm gone off the Rezound! I have a company iPhone 5 and honestly the battery way outperforms all HTC phones I've owned. Here's to hoping the GS4 has great battery!
An HTC rep shared this article because it says what he can't say. I think there's a lot of truth in it. At least the points logic out well to me.
My opinion is Verizon makes decisions about updates based on what is selling best and Sammy is selling like hotcakes, so they are showing all kinds of love to Samsung. Motorola sucks but they are Googles kid, so they get love. HTC killed themselves by spending too much time being quietly brilliant and making 35 different models. If they kept it simple and spent some money on TV ads, it might have been different... Still might, time will tell.
http://ukmobilesupport.co.uk/why-android-updates-are-so-slow/
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sooo....besides the risk of info being leaked....y doesnt google release the code to Samsung, HTC, ect, have it all tested...and have everything ready to be deployed and THEN announce the new update like Apple?
We get leaks usually though when manufacturers finish their updates... Even those leaks are really slow or never show up. So I'm still blaming manufacturers. Lol
HTC confirms One X+ not getting anymore updates
Not for nothing but HTC always has excuses for why they no longer support older devices.
Excuses are like a--holes. Everyone has one and they all stink.
As much as I like the HTC Sense, their lack of supporting old hardware is becoming a major gripe.
If I wanted lack of support for older devices and being forced to spend money on upgrading to a new device, I would switch to Apple.
This is complete BS!
I absolutely agree. My last 5 devices have been HTC but my next one won't be.
XDA-developers has provided HTC with a lot of support over the years by devs willing to spend their own time developing roms, kernels, apps etc that have extended the life of HTC devices and made them better to use. I have stuck with HTC pretty much because the people on this forum would help make my device better. To mind HTC owes this forum a lot. How about we organise a collective response to HTC from One X+ users?
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I absolutely agree. My last 5 devices have been HTC but my next one won't be.
XDA-developers has provided HTC with a lot of support over the years by devs willing to spend their own time developing roms, kernels, apps etc that have extended the life of HTC devices and made them better to use. I have stuck with HTC pretty much because the people on this forum would help make my device better. To mind HTC owes this forum a lot. How about we organise a collective response to HTC from One X+ users?
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Ever heard the term fall upon deaf ears. That is exactly what would come out of it.
There was a collective response when they stopped supporting Desire HD.
Did HTC care? Nope. They just want you, the consumer, to spend more money and buy another HTC to help the ailing company.
HTC Sense has some really great features but it is not worth having to spend money every year and a half to buy a new phone in order to receive the latest OS.
HTC blames nVidia for the lack of support. Interesting how the Nexus 7 with nVidia already has fully support for KitKat.
HTC, if you lie to us at least have some truth to your lie!
@saitch76 I am on the same boat as you. My last 3 devices have been HTC and always the same story. After about a year and a half of the phone coming out, HTC always came up with an excuse as to why the device will no longer receive further updates.
Galaxy S5 here I come?
I suspect HTC is hoping users will react with hopelessness as you have described and think there is no point complaining. HTC is in a very different position now compared with the Desire HD days and there is a real chance that they won't exist in a few years. Apple is having to learn that it is unrealistic to expect users to fork out for a new top of the range device every other year. Hence the iPhone 5C. It's an attempt to stop it's customer base defecting to Android (Samsung) devices by giving them them a cheaper route to the latest OS. HTC don't have the monopoly on Android that Apple has on iOS and Samsung has a device for every budget. HTC's only hope is to hold onto their existing customers, particularly the loyal HTC enthusiasts. Nokia and BlackBerry are good examples of what happens when customers are neglected and I hope HTC has taken note. I would much rather be proactive and communicate how unhappy I am, and we are, (there is strength in numbers) than be passive and complain that HTC didn't come knocking on my door to ask what I want. IMO it's not really about the One X+ and KitKat, it's about informing HTC about their longer term strategy for device support. I will only buy another HTC device in the condition that HTC commits to supporting it for longer than 18months. I want HTC to be crystal clear on that. if they can't commit to that then I won't buy another HTC device. If 100 or 500 or 2000 One X+ users communicate that to them then they would be more than foolish not to take notice.
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I am unable to say that I disagree with you.
HTC most likely does expect people to keep mum about it.
When I first heard that the support was ending for the HTC Incredible I said, "Eh, it was a weak phone and phones are on the rise and getting stronger."
I then went to unlocked phones because I was working abroad. The Desire HD was their flagship and an incredibly popular phone. The forums were tagged with roms. Every week a new rom was born. Shortly after HTC released the Sensation, they stated that Desire HD will no longer receive updates.
Lucky me for not jumping to Sensation because as soon as the One X was released, Sensation lost support. That was followed by the One X+.
HTC put all their efforts on updating the One X+ and said the One X will get updates eventually. (I could keep going but you get the point.)
The HTC One is an amazing phone but the One X+ is still holding strong and could manage anything you throw at it.
I agree with everything you said. HTC once held the market a long time ago, as did Nokia and BlackBerry. The problems with Nokia and Blackberry is that they decided to stick to their own OS or partner up with an OS no one uses.
Apple still has their fanbase. People who like iPhones will continue to buy them every year or two, and Apple is very much aware of that.
HTC on the other hand, does not have that much of a fan base anymore. HTC must think they are the only game in town. Unfortunately for them, they are not. With the likes of Samsung surpassing them a long time ago, HTC has lost a huge market share and their stocks are their to prove it. Quarter after quarter their financial records are showing a loss in the billions.
You are right it is not about the One X+ and KitKat, it is about their lack of support. Every 18 months it does very much feel like HTC is pushing you to buy a new phone. My wife's Samsung S3 is now running Android 4.3 with 4.4 on the verge. That phone came out before the One X+ and Samsung is supporting it like a champion. Samsung knows treat your customers right and they will be back. Apparently, HTC expects their customers to keep coming back because their phones look nice. Samsung is currently still using plastic but I have a feeling that they will realize it is time to move to unibody metal. Samsung stole a lot of iPhone fans and I very much see them stealing HTC fans as well.
If you really think that making a stink about it by getting the community together to complain to HTC, I am with you.
I am done with their lack of support and want them to change. Competition makes the companies try their hardest. If HTC seizes to exist, Samsung will rule the market.
Let's start getting the community together and let's complain to HTC.
This ain't over!
What is the best route to do this? I suggested posts on their Twitter and Facebook pages, but they'll just hide them, or give the standard response.
@TeK9samurai I think you are absolutely correct. I'm thinking about setting up a Survey Monkey survey for One X+ users to get some data to send HTC. Questions could include how long users have had their One X+, how many HTC devices they have owned, how many OS updates they have received, how important the latest OS is for users, how long users think a device should be supported for, how likely users are to buy another HTC device, how users feel about the decision not to provide an update to KitKat, how users feel in general regarding HTC's OS update track record, how many users install custom roms in order to update the OS, how likely would users be to buy an HTC device if OS updates via custom roms were not available.
Any thoughts?
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@TeK9samurai I think you are absolutely correct. I'm thinking about setting up a Survey Monkey survey for One X+ users to get some data to send HTC. Questions could include how long users have had their One X+, how many HTC devices they have owned, how many OS updates they have received, how important the latest OS is for users, how long users think a device should be supported for, how likely users are to buy another HTC device, how users feel about the decision not to provide an update to KitKat, how users feel in general regarding HTC's OS update track record, how many users install custom roms in order to update the OS, how likely would users be to buy an HTC device if OS updates via custom roms were not available.
Any thoughts?
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All sounds great, I think the questions about custom roms should be left out.
If you open the door to questions like that, you will get answers that don't help your cause.
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What is the best route to do this? I suggested posts on their Twitter and Facebook pages, but they'll just hide them, or give the standard response.
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Unfortunately, most likely what would happen.
Another course of action needs to be taken.
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@TeK9samurai I think you are absolutely correct. I'm thinking about setting up a Survey Monkey survey for One X+ users to get some data to send HTC. Questions could include how long users have had their One X+, how many HTC devices they have owned, how many OS updates they have received, how important the latest OS is for users, how long users think a device should be supported for, how likely users are to buy another HTC device, how users feel about the decision not to provide an update to KitKat, how users feel in general regarding HTC's OS update track record, how many users install custom roms in order to update the OS, how likely would users be to buy an HTC device if OS updates via custom roms were not available.
Any thoughts?
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It will be a huge waste of time
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Lloir said:
It will be a huge waste of time
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And your suggesting what as an alternative?
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And your suggesting what as an alternative?
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There is nothing you can do.
No matter how many petitions you make or spamming their Facebook/email/inbox won't make a shed of difference.
I suggest you just live with it, like the rest of us have to and all the devices that had to prior to the X/X+
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Lloir said:
There is nothing you can do.
No matter how many petitions you make or spamming their Facebook/email/inbox won't make a shed of difference.
I suggest you just live with it, like the rest of us have to and all the devices that had to prior to the X/X+
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Just living with it is exactly what HTC will hope for. It's not in my nature not to do that. Passivity achieves nothing.
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I'll never buy a htc phone again.... :/
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Just living with it is exactly what HTC will hope for. It's not in my nature not to do that. Passivity achieves nothing.
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I agree. Just acceping and moving on does nothing. We've done in the past with numerous HTC devices, and we always thought HTC understood and wanted to change.
It's like they keep updating the One now, but ofter the One successor comes along, the One will be forgotten.
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I agree. Just acceping and moving on does nothing. We've done in the past with numerous HTC devices, and we always thought HTC understood and wanted to change.
It's like they keep updating the One now, but ofter the One successor comes along, the One will be forgotten.
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ALL u can do is get a different phone next. they will not change this decision. i had inspire 4g/ desire hd, and had the same problem but i didnt stop buying their phones, i just like sense and their harware. that doesnt mean they are doing a good job, at the end of the day phone does same things for me as any current flagship. i will make sure i never get a tegra device no more because u cant get all the goodies on this devices that xda can offer. my 2 cents.
Guys , in may 2014 the HTC one community will be in our same situation today ,14 month old device ,let see if they will stop there too, from my experience HTC thinks xda customers don't represent 1% of their customers ,so it's easy for HTC tho move on and forget about us , even HTC elevate people get nowhere
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I'll never buy a htc phone again.... :/
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Neither will I. I got screwed in the ass figuratively with Motorola's Photon 4G but this is worse. A 14 month old phone IS NOT OLD. I bought my One X+ the day AT&T released it in November 2012, in fact the sales guy at the store had to look for it in back as it just arrived in stock.
I realize the phone has been out internationally since they dropped the ball with LTE support but I feel ripped off and misled. BTW it was slow as molasses opening apps with 4.1, the custom ROM based on 4.2 I installed (after rooting it which is a must) is faster but not by much.
But you see, that's the point. Who in their right mind thinks 14 months is enough for a phone. I wish I had the money to spend so I could get a new phone every year. This is complete bs that a company decides you should get a new phone because they are no longer supporting it.
By the way Tegra chips have nothing to do with it. If they did, why does the Nexus 7 have 4.4?
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Whenever anyone of us say that about the Nexus 7, someone says that the Nexus uses a different version of the Tegra 3, and that ours is unsupported, not that one.
Nexus 7: Tegra 3 T30L (Q1 2012)
One X: Tegra 3 AP33 (Q4 2011)
One X+: Tegra 3 T33 or AP37 (Q2 2012)