This is horrible news for us owners of the flagship Verizon HTC phone, looks like they are more focused on what is already in the pipeline.
The story is all over if you search for it, I can't post outside links yet because I've been more of a readers here on XDA. I found the story on GigaOm.
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I wouldn't say it's horrible news. Just news. Good things come to those who wait.
From the Rez Beast
I wouldn't be too worried.
The first HTC ICS updates are listed as Sensation, Sensation XE, and Sensation XL in late March. Since our phone is essentially a Verizon branded Sensation XE, I'm sure we will have a fully-functional port soon after that update releases.
Here's a link for those who want it
http://blogs.computerworld.com/19706/htc_ice_cream_sandwich
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djdubd said:
This is horrible news for us owners of the flagship Verizon HTC phone, looks like they are more focused on what is already in the pipeline.
The story is all over if you search for it, I can't post outside links yet because I've been more of a readers here on XDA. I found the story on GigaOm.
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Who cares when we have leaks?
Better than my old thunderbolt which isn't even on the list, that phone imo deserves it more than us
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and the official quote from htc's facebook page, if anyone cares
HTC has been working hard to get its Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades ready, and we’re excited to announce that our first round of ICS upgrades will roll out by the end of March for the HTC Sensation, HTC Sensation 4G and HTC Sensation XE, followed soon there after by the HTC Sensation XL.
In addition, we can confirm Ice Cream Sandwich upgrades will be coming later this year to the HTC Rezound, HTC Vivid, HTC Amaze 4G, HTC EVO 3D, HTC EVO Design 4G, HTC Incredible S, HTC Desire S and HTC Desire HD. Stay tuned for more updates on Ice Cream Sandwich releases in the coming weeks.
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I wouldn't be too worried.
The first HTC ICS updates are listed as Sensation, Sensation XE, and Sensation XL in late March. Since our phone is essentially a Verizon branded Sensation XE, I'm sure we will have a fully-functional port soon after that update releases.
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I thought the same thing, hope so.
Guess it isn't "horrible" but it is definitely par for the course as far as Android updates go.
We will no doubt have a working port soon after the XE releases, if not a fully functional one before that with all the leaks!
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Incredible S, thats shocking.
From what someone else commented on , the reason the Rezound and those other phones are " later this year " is because of Verizon and the CDMA proprietary stuff. Makes sense I guess, that Verizon has to ruin ICS by trying to bloat it out to the max and it takes them awhile to figure how to piss off the consumers hence the delay
Blame Verizon for ice now? Htc said rezound will get ics very soon in 2012, now it is later this year. Bloatware works with ics or gb, so that is not an excuse for htc to delay this. Later this year probably means later now. I highly doubt we get it anytime before fall.
Rezound should be a priority for them like they said it should not be included with likes of EVO 3d. Hell vivid is a gsm phone and that is even later this year. So the cdma argument is invalid.
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How is any of this shocking to anyone? I didn't expect to get the official release until October, anything sooner is gravy.
What blows my mind is that the independent devs have fully-functional ICS ROMs out for the Rezound already. I just flashed the latest CleanROM ICS version yesterday, and it runs without a hiccough, and my Moto XOOM 4G has had ICS for quite a while. Why is it that teams of hobbyists can be so far ahead of the paid developers?
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How is any of this shocking to anyone? I didn't expect to get the official release until October, anything sooner is gravy.
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Agreed. Hold low expectations, that way IF it does come early we'll be pleasently surprised.
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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All we are talking about here is rezound. What did htc say? This will be getting ics soon in 2012, now it is later. I didn't expect anything better but hey how hard is it to just keep your word? I mean they literally just said hey "later".
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I wouldn't be too worried.
The first HTC ICS updates are listed as Sensation, Sensation XE, and Sensation XL in late March. Since our phone is essentially a Verizon branded Sensation XE, I'm sure we will have a fully-functional port soon after that update releases.
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Don't you mean XL seeing as the XE has a qHD display while the XL has a 720p display like ours?
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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The fact that they're a big company makes it harder? I don't think so. They do have plenty of phones to develop for, but they should have the staff to support it. And they shouldn't have indicated that the Rezound would be getting ICS soon, then turn around and say "later". I bought mine under the assumption that it would be in the first quarter of 2012. Waiting until October is absurd. Nine months in phone years is like 70 human years!!
Like dbutters said, how can a hobbyist clean up the leaked ROM in a matter of a couple of days, but a mulit-million dollar company like HTC can't get it done with dozens of developers? I don't get it. And if they don't have enough developers, then they've got some hiring to do.
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I'm amazed that people don't seem to understand the complexity of adapting a generic open source OS to a particular device. This isn't something that can be done quickly, especially when you're a company as big as HTC and have millions of phones out there that will be getting new software.
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But they don't have millions of different models of phones which is what would make a difference. How many actual handsets are out there is irrelevant.
And as a poster above mentioned, the hobbyists have already taken the leak and made it functional, so the paid devs should be able to be close behind taking into consideration that hey have to have all the bugs worked out before a release.
I'm a little disappointed to not have a fully HTC-made version of ICS before then, honestly.
I bet if this phone were marketed like the GNX was, it would be done much more quickly. Not a lot of Rezounds sold = lower priority.
UK HTC Facebook page says ICS will be out by the end of March.
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Hello everyone!
Please see the link below which confirms our agony! HTC is dead to me!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/htc-ics-android-updates/
Never buying HTC ever again.
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
thats a stupid move....on both the jetstream (which was very expensive) and the flyer (which was very popular after the price cut)
damn it.
at least we got an answer.
never touching HTC again after this.
Also, now is the time to put some money to our ICS bounty...since it is the last hope for this device.
guru_shastri said:
damn it.
at least we got an answer.
never touching HTC again after this.
Also, now is the time to put some money to our ICS bounty...since it is the last hope for this device.
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Not to rain on our already rainy parade, but that's not much of a hope. With Honeycomb being closed source, and everything HTC (except the kernel) being closed source, there's pretty much zero chance this device will ever see ICS.
I love my One X, but I really wish I could go back in time and get a Galaxy Tab.
I am very dissapointed. I was bought my jetstream off contract from at&t last october 910usd include taxes and unlock. Very very expensive. And no update? HTC is a shame!!! Today I got my galaxy tab 2 p3100 which has 4.0.3 factory loaded. Great speed and usage. Dual core processor and lot of memory. And cost me 350usd factory unlocked. So thats what I call money steal.
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we are the biggest suckers of the android world...
But - for the right amount of money we just might be able to recruit a developer to release us from the htc choke hold.
And also, russ said he's working to get htc to cooperate with him on building a rom for us.here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1651651
There is still a tiny shred of hope.
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Not to rain on our already rainy parade, but that's not much of a hope. With Honeycomb being closed source, and everything HTC (except the kernel) being closed source, there's pretty much zero chance this device will ever see ICS.
I love my One X, but I really wish I could go back in time and get a Galaxy Tab.
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why is honeycomb closed source? the source was released the same day ICS source was released. HTC sense for tablets i don't know about the source but for phones it is fairly open + its not like htc are done with tablets for good. when the next bunch come out im sure someone will port something over for you
wish the jetstream came to the UK but thats a long gone wish
I dont understand why HTC will not update the rom. I will be happy for honeycomb update too. Honeycomb 3.2 update and sense update will be greathful. Why want htc to kill this good tablet.
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HTC really should release an update. i'd say more yet....... you know.
just cause a riot on their facebook page like the desire owners did with gingerbread...making htc retract their statement
there's not enough of us.
every post here gets hundreds of views but no one seems to actually respond..IDK if its because they don't own a jetstream or just won't help
there's not enough of us.
every post here gets hundreds of views but no one seems to actually respond..IDK if its because they don't own a jetstream or just won't help
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Agreed. Been away for a week and I return to see not much improvement with the bounty or anything else. There is still always hope..
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Jumping ship as they say...it's a shame and there will be a ripple effect.
From a hardware perspective it is still an incredible device. It is truly a shame that HTC has pulled the plug on it and is washing it's hands of what were very likely highly committed HTC users. It was a premium device with a premium price and devoted HTC fans were confident it was a worthy purchase. Although the device did not see extensive penetration, the customers the company will lose as a result (including myself) were valuable voices in the marketplace as champions of the company among other consumers. Though small, there will be a ripple effect. People look to their tech savvy friends and family members for buying advice and I am certainly sharing my experiences openly and honestly.
I have always previously trusted HTC to keep capable devices relevant. Unfortunately, the Jetstream's honeycomb software seemed like an interim OS until HTC had time to get 4.0 up and running. HTC Sense on the Jetstream experiences frequent reboots, the pen gets laggy, the stock notes app hangs up and fails to recognize pen movement at times and the device certainly does not run like it should with this hardware....the processor could still hang with the best of them if it was properly supported.
The HTC One X was going to be my next phone. I've been a fan of the company since it's Windows Mobile days. This experience both from a device standpoint under the current software and the lack of commitment from the company to adequately support the device moving forward (which in my humble opinion includes ICS support) has me waiting for the GS III or other flagship device. Jumping ship as they say.
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I switched to the HTC evo 4G when it came out and I swore up and down that HTC was the best. They were 2 years ago. They had timely updates, awesome software and hardware, everything worked right out of the box. I don't know what happened to them. No matter what rom I use it have little glitches and bugs, proximity sensor doesn't work properly sometimes. It's disheartening to see Samsung getting their jellybean update tomorrow and our phone has been out longer. I may be suffering from 'the grass is greener' syndrome, and yes I am whining, but it sad to see HTC slipping like this.
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I switched to the HTC evo 4G when it came out and I swore up and down that HTC was the best. They were 2 years ago. They had timely updates, awesome software and hardware, everything worked right out of the box. I don't know what happened to them. No matter what rom I use it have little glitches and bugs, proximity sensor doesn't work properly sometimes. It's disheartening to see Samsung getting their jellybean update tomorrow and our phone has been out longer. I may be suffering from 'the grass is greener' syndrome, and yes I am whining, but it sad to see HTC slipping like this.
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HTC is digging its own grave. We better see jellybean by the end of this year or else....my new years resolution will be to go elsewhere.
The fact that everything works on the stock rom means that it's because of the rom your running or some setting you goofed with. Unroot and return to stock if little quirks are your issue. Root will always involve little bugs like that... It always has as long as I've been a flash addict.
Honestly, if your on anything but a stock Rom, its not HTC....
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That's the thing, I run stock 98% of the time. The reason I try other roms is to see if these bugs are widespread. I like stock, and maybe it's my phone. That brings me to another thing that I envy about Samsung, ease of root. There is no locked bootloader. I don't want to trade my s-off evo for a refurbished one that has an hboot I can't s-off. I know a downgrade method has been found, which is awesome news, but my point is that HTC should know better by now.
I was originally going to go with the EVO brand, but I went from the Epic to the Evo 3D, where the bootloader was locked down tight. I took my device back and bought a SGS2. Then I was going to give the EVO LTE a chance, but after the SGSIII was announced, I knew what my choice was.
HTC used to be really good and friendly to the devs here but now they're not too friendly about it. Samsung's always been friendly towards devs (aside from Verizon devices). That is why I went with them.
EDIT: and also post SGS2, Samsung's device support has been alot better. The first SGS wasn't too good. lol
What annoys me about HTC, is that stuff that I want to work easily just doesn't. For example, USB host is already enabled on Samsung phones, for some reason HTC has it disabled in their stock Rom/kernel. And HTC, why do you have to be so cantankerous when it comes to root? You go through great means to lock down the system. Why not just make a simple OEM unlock? But I got to admit...I do love sense.
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I know, I love sense, I love the screen. Maybe I'm just being too picky. I was on t-Mobile and I had the Samsung vibrant. It was the first galaxy and it was a pos. I told myself I would never get another Samsung, lately I've been debating trying them again though.
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I know, I love sense, I love the screen. Maybe I'm just being too picky. I was on t-Mobile and I had the Samsung vibrant. It was the first galaxy and it was a pos. I told myself I would never get another Samsung, lately I've been debating trying them again though.
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I'll admit, I just recently started having an interest in the Galaxy Nexus. But even still, I'm HTC all the way.
samsung is the new future apple. stay away from communism.
ntox101 said:
samsung is the new future apple. stay away from communism.
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Of course. I'm more interested in one of their phones, not them and their portfolio of phones. I'd never make the switch. Sense is too valuable, and the build quality alone would make me a lifetime HTC customer.
In all reality I probably won't switch, I think I just felt like whining about little. Hopefully things get ironed out and we get a good update soon.
bugs with root? sorry but that's the silliest thing i've read in a while....
custom roms not fully based on stock firmware [read: mixed releases hacked together/ports/aosp] released by HTC, MAY have some bug here and there, or even broken things. This is expected, unless building from 100% released source.
stock-based roms can be fully upgraded, features added, speeds tweaked, etc and stay as good as ever...
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In all reality I probably won't switch, I think I just felt like whining about little. Hopefully things get ironed out and we get a good update soon.
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In Dr. Phil voice...."And Metalfan, how does this make you feel"?
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And LTE connectivity issues just pushes things over the edge.
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metalfan78 said:
.... It's disheartening to see Samsung getting their jellybean update tomorrow and our phone has been out longer. I may be suffering from 'the grass is greener' syndrome, and yes I am whining, but it sad to see HTC slipping like this.
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Phone being out longer does have everything to do with updates....just the opposite of how you want it to be. Sprint will update devices in order of last flagship released gets it first. It's common sense they do it this way and only rare cases does that not hold true.
So you want updates first, but the most recent flagship from Samsung or HTC. Whoever released later will get OT first likely...
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That makes sense. I didn't think of it that way. I'm not worried about getting jellybean, but it would be nice to get a maintenance update soon.
Really think the EVO LTE was pushed out too fast. I know this isn't a big epiphany or anything. Sprint had them modify the one x to have an exclusive one series phone and it shows. HTC had a limited time to make those modifications as well. Considering that, I think they did a fairly decent job.
Due to the issues with this device I believe I will research and wait further before buying a new HTC phone (as well I should and on other brands too).
As soon as I heard about the new EVO I was in, pre-ordered immediately. Never again! Or until the EVO LTEX part deux comes out, maybe, possibly.
I pre-ordered my EVO as soon as it was available too, but I was so desperate for an upgrade (coming from an LG Optimus S) that I didn't care about any of the shortcomings (remember the multitasking fiasco?).
I had a little bit of buyer's remorse when the S3 came out, but it only took a few minutes of actually playing with one to realize it wasn't for me.
HTC may have been a little rushed and/or off-track when they released the EVO, but they've already pushed two fairly major updates that have fixed a lot of our initial complaints (multitasking, hideous 3-dot menu button, overall smoothness). I don't have LTE in my area yet, so I can't comment on 4G connectivity issues. But I'm willing to bet that will be sorted as well.
All-in-all I'm pretty happy with the EVO, but I'll probably be a little more wary on my next upgrade about getting caught up in the "next big thing" release hype for whatever's out a year and a half from now.
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Phone being out longer does have everything to do with updates....just the opposite of how you want it to be. Sprint will update devices in order of last flagship released gets it first. It's common sense they do it this way and only rare cases does that not hold true.
So you want updates first, but the most recent flagship from Samsung or HTC. Whoever released later will get OT first likely...
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Didn't the EVO get an update to gingerbread before the Samsung Epic did?
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digiblur said:
Didn't the EVO get an update to gingerbread before the Samsung Epic did?
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Ehh maybe.... But at that time there was a new flagship on HTC out anyway...when comparing against OEMs I guess its best to say only against the latest flagship device on each side...
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Dear friends,
I really wanted to. I had so much hope for this device, but I can no longer do it. I love aosp and absolutely loathe sense. That being said for some reason I love HTC. They make beautiful, sexy, durable, powerful and for the most part, reasonably priced. But it seems to me that the salad days are behind me. I've had the aria, hero, touch pro, evo, HD, inspire, incredible, vivid, one x, and lastly the x+. But my last few haven't impressed and so here we are. As of last night I sold my x+, hugged my pillow, and cried myself to sleep. The latest set back was finally just to much for me after a long series of disappointments on other devices. I am using the money to buy an N4 and most likely will stick with the flagship on down the line. I plan to start learning as much as possible to help solve issues like this in the future. I say good bye and thank you to a great community and impressive company for now, its been an awesome ride.
Greatest regards,
Meatwad0222
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Did exactly the same last week
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That's a sad thread... should probably be ranamed as a "Farewell Thread"
But there is no way of happiness here, really... I was always with HTC, comming from HTC Touch Dual which was fun these days. Then my favourite HTC HD2. I was really crying when I sold it a few month ago... but sh.. I sold it for 200 bucks, and that was a price in january this year. Now I got mine HTC One X+. No trouble with a device it works, it works good, but I had more fun with my HD2 than what I have now. Want to say thanks for every dev, every member and every noob in HTC Community. That was good times. But HTC is dissapointing me, dissapointing me so much, that all my hate for Samsung has gone now and I'm switching to S4 in some time. But untill that, my heart still belongs to HTC... don't know for how long.
Same here. I gave my daughter my hox+ and downgraded to her S2 just so I could run CM again. I'll keep the S2 until the Motorola Google X is released. I too plan to stay with Google's flagship device from now on (whoever makes it). Thanks for everyone's help with hox+ related issues and questions.
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This reminds me of the farewell posts back in the Windows Mobile days. I got this phone in December, and it still has the stock ROM on it. None of the ROM's here really inspire me. This is coming from someone who went through the wire trick on the Sensation XE so I could load custom ROM's on it. Maybe I am just getting lazy, but looking for something different.
I'm curious as to what you think is wrong with the current AOSP roms for the One X+? Or is it because you have the AT&T version and don't have a stable AOSP rom yet (afaik)?
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I'm curious as to what you think is wrong with the current AOSP roms for the One X+? Or is it because you have the AT&T version and don't have a stable AOSP rom yet (afaik)?
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It's not that there's something wrong with them, how would I know as I've not even flashed one, right? I used to love flashing ROMs, but now I guess I don't find it all that exciting anymore. I am on the International version of the HOX+ so which ROM would you recommend?
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I'm curious as to what you think is wrong with the current AOSP roms for the One X+? Or is it because you have the AT&T version and don't have a stable AOSP rom yet (afaik)?
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At&t
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meatwad0222 said:
Dear friends,
I really wanted to. I had so much hope for this device, but I can no longer do it. I love aosp and absolutely loathe sense.
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There will be CM for AT&T sooner than later though right? If sense is your only issue may as well stick it out
Patience doesn't hurt much. I've got plenty of other things to keep my attention, and I still have my Inspire to play with AOSP for now. Lloir has put a lot into this device so far, and even if not at full capacity he's said he plans to keep it going. Some calls for assistance have been sent out to other devs as well, I hear. And some of the names I've heard mention of are quite talented.
It's just a matter of time, and I think this device will be pretty great once it's got some AOSP love in it. I've had the device since November, and running Elegancia with the Nova launcher it's already quite good. I don't like sense as much as AOSP but Elegancia has been great so far. Great ROM, great dev. Besides I can't go saying there isn't enough dev work going into the device if I haven't taken the time to learn to dev myself.
Stock Sense 4 is well done imho. I was also a flashaholic on previous Android builds but now I am not completely, but pretty satisfied with the stock version that is on the device. Maybe it is because JB is more primetime than any other Android build of past?
I'm too leaving HTC after being an HTC fan for a long time... HTC is focusing and spending a lot of time on locking down their devices than actually releasing software updates.. They could've spent this time on finding a way to make their devices brick proof rather than locking it down. Their idea of updating software is releasing a new phone just like they did with the HOX and HOX+..
HTC one looks like a great device, however why the release it with android 4.1.2??? So they can release HTC one+ a few months later with android 4.2.2??
I used to hate Samsung as they make plastic and cheap looking devices but I've come to respect them as they don't abandon their devices and kept supporting them to the last minute... S3 is getting 4.2.2 soon while HOX+ still stuck at 4.1.1!! Samsung s2 is getting jelly bean!! While desire Hd didn't get ics!
I'm joining the boat and ditching HTC for good
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for what it's worth, S3 has been out for a lot longer. HOX+ is still pretty young. and lack of updates has more to do with lazy carriers than manufacturers typically. But I mean, go wherever you're happy going.
interesting to hear people willing to leave htc products behind, I've come from a long line of samsung phones when I jumped ship back in the desireHD days. Having tried the sony xperia z for a couple of weeks I was glad to be offered the one+ in exchange. I've missed the htc build quality
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interesting to hear people willing to leave htc products behind, I've come from a long line of samsung phones when I jumped ship back in the desireHD days. Having tried the sony xperia z for a couple of weeks I was glad to be offered the one+ in exchange. I've missed the htc build quality
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I think the hox+ is suffering from a timing issue. All of the devs upgraded to the hox after the desireHD/inspire and then htc released the + too soon. Bring on the Motorola X.
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So many great comments here. I'm on the verge of jumping ship to the new S4. As you can see from my sig, I've been exclusively with HTC for some time now, and I realllly like the x+. It's really a sleek and beautiful phone, I hate using a case but its cheap insurance. Also, for once I really don't mind the stock ROM, just had to flash the available mods and now I'm content. HTC has always treated me well, sending me new batteries and chargers even out of warranty without giving me a hard time. But alas, this dropping new and better phones every few months is really annoying. Its like they purposly hold back so they can realse something "better". If they were smart they would've made s-off easier, gave it 2gigs, and put efforts into upgrading to 4.2.2 and make the hox+ the flagship for about a year. After reading the specs of the next ONE, I'm not impressed at all, its a downgrade in memory and camera. WHY? This day in age 64gigs or an SD slot on a high end device should be the standard, and even if the 4 megapixel camera is better IRL, on paper it sounds like poop. Honestly though I can't see the camera being any better, especially if you installed the 4.2 camera app from the mod section. This phones cameras is as good or better then my Kodak 18magepix point and shoot. HTC, quit playing games. Make one kick #$% phone, upgrade it when needed, and let it rock out for about a year, stop holing back so you can realse something "better" two months later.
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HTC is focusing and spending a lot of time on locking down their devices than actually releasing software updates..
S3 is getting 4.2.2 soon while HOX+ still stuck at 4.1.1!! Samsung s2 is getting jelly bean!! While desire Hd didn't get ics!
I'm joining the boat and ditching HTC for good
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All carriers lock down their devices, HTC unlocks bootloaders like other OEM's via a site, what else do u need to customize your device? S-off? Unneeded.
S2 is only getting in release cos it sold a boat load of phones so of course sammy will update it to keep the peace, sensation got nowhere near the sales to warrent it in all honesty.
Sammy also doesn't update its tablets or non flagship devices, they rarely if any see updates to next android versions.
The sg4 also won't be getting official AOSP according to cyanogen mod devs as Sammy never outs the source code for yrs. Sg3 was lucky to get support.
The official news is that all current HTC devices including HOS will be getting sense 5 which will be 4.2.2 on release, at which point ill be using Aokp klp on my HOX+.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...heading-for-the-HTC-One-X-this-Summer_id41376
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somemadcaaant said:
All carriers lock down their devices, HTC unlocks bootloaders like other OEM's via a site, what else do u need to customize your device? S-off? Unneeded.
S2 is only getting in release cos it sold a boat load of phones so of course sammy will update it to keep the peace, sensation got nowhere near the sales to warrent it in all honesty.
Sammy also doesn't update its tablets or non flagship devices, they rarely if any see updates to next android versions.
The sg4 also won't be getting official AOSP according to cyanogen mod devs as Sammy never outs the source code for yrs. Sg3 was lucky to get support.
The official news is that all current HTC devices including HOS will be getting sense 5 which will be 4.2.2 on release, at which point ill be using Aokp klp on my HOX+.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Andr...heading-for-the-HTC-One-X-this-Summer_id41376
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I'm not talking about carriers as I always buy international unlocked phones.. s-off is really need to be able to flash from within the device and don't have to use a pc to do so. so bootloader unlock still a limited way to open up the device.
the sensation didn't do well because it had many problems and i have owned one before and hated it .. HTC tried to fix it by releasing the XL and still the same...
HTC has said that it will release sense 5 alone with 4.2.2 but let's be honest the release of the update will take ages to see the light, because HTC ONE has android 4.1.2 so other devices won't see any updates till HTC ONE gets 4.2.2 and then maybe after a few months they will release it.. and I won't be too surprised if HTC releases HTC ONE+ to fix issues on the original one and introduce new issues as well.
i just bought Galaxy Note 10.1 and in a matter of months it got jelly bean 4.1.1 and then 4.1.2 .. also tab2 10.1 got 4.1.2 and tab2 7" got 4.1.1 ..
regarding the S4, some developers said that they might not support it but not the CM team..
It's a joke that the HTC One will be shipped with 4.1.2. Key lime pie is knocking at the door in 1 month and then 4.1.2 is so outdated. If Samsung can ship their GS4 with 4.2.2 then HTC should be able too. But I guess sense 5 is a mess and will be slowing down all updates of the Android OS. Never buy a phone with an outdated software; it will slow down the update process even more. OEMs normally don't skip OS versions. So until the HTC One will get KLP it will be next year or more typical for HTC they will release a hardware refresh in 5 months that ships with KLP. No HTC for me anymore.
This is my first smartphone (been lurking for too long) and honestly, even though there isn't a complete AOSP for AT&T yet, I'm really impressed by everyone's hard work for HOX+. I know there's a lot that can be done with the phone that I have-- and, uh, I'll probably also switch to flagship after this, I just really wanted the internal storage-- but I'm satisfied now.
I guess it's different for people who have tasted the fruit of knowledge already, though, and I can't wait to do that too
WOW!
At least samsung has made the effort to get JB to S2....
It's no wonder that allot of us are feeling the sting of no JB on the rezound...
Lego
Even worse they got a leak one or twice a month.
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I think even worse is the fact the Droid Bionic is suppose to be getting JB. Wow.
It's because the S2 was Samsung's flagship.. The Rezound is HTC's redheaded stepchild on VZW. Simple enough?
Motorola and Samsung are both updating phone over a year older than the Rezound and HTC is wondering why they are losing more and more customers cause instead of updating phones they are making you buy new phones to get the next operating system. I won't be getting the Next HTC phone for Verizon I am hoping the Google/Motorola phone is real cause that is the route I wanna go.
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Grnlantern79 said:
Motorola and Samsung are both updating phone over a year older than the Rezound and HTC is wondering why they are losing more and more customers cause instead of updating phones they are making you buy new phones to get the next operating system. I won't be getting the Next HTC phone for Verizon I am hoping the Google/Motorola phone is real cause that is the route I wanna go.
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Ya, I really want the HTC one, but I just can't do it after their lack of support for the rezound.
If the one isn't as big as they need it to be,they will move on quickly to another device. They can't afford to support more than one device at a time I don't think.
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SII is getting 4.2 as well. Always get Samsung for good support. Even Ace II is getting 4.2. HTC are terrible on support. Samsung or Google Nexus are the best for updates
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I remember a time when Samsung really wasn't that good with updates, boy have times changed. I am close to wanting to drop the Rezound for the Maxx HD, just for the better battery life and better update support(at least so it seems), but the screen and size of the Rezound really has me(it's pretty much the only HD screen on a 4.3in device). HTC is really testing our patients I think.
I was just saying this the other day... Joke's on us I guess. Should have just dealt with moto or samsung and not had the best phone out to get updates. HTC makes beautiful phones but I'm kind of sick of sense and no/really slow updates. I don't see why they don't give us sense 4 and jb. If they did I might change my mind. But we don't even have the latest ICS and sense 3.6 or w/e is worse than 3.5 imo lol. I feel basically forced to get a GS4 even if I didn't sort of want one.. At least I know it will be supported for a couple of years or more. Samsung used to have a bad track record too, now HTCs is even worse than Samsungs was.
Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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I'm not saying our devs aren't great. But if we had jelly bean from HTC imagine how tits everything would be then... And it would have saved everyone a ton of work just to get something to boot. But no... HTC gnf.
Edit: or even a better sense ICS update for that matter, Smh lol
I agree that HTC needs to support its past phones, a Dev community is only as good as leaks or full releases from the company itself. CM is bad ass cause goggle releases the code and the Dev add or take away things that they like. But as far as giving us Jelly bean on the Rezound with everything working would still take help from HTC. As you can see by the stand still in the development section progress stands still without leaks, OTAs and most important the code itself from HTC. Unless having less phones will give them time to concentrate on updating past phones I don't think HTC will update the Rezound any further. I am hoping July will be the month I upgrade to the Xphone if its real but we'll find that in May hopefully
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A high end nexus for Verizon would be a dream come true. Even if verizon didn't sell it directly
I have a Rezound and a RAZR. With the 4.1.2 update for the RAZR it only seemed to perform slightly faster then the Rezound with 4.0.3
Even so, I still don't really use the RAZR for much of anything at all(it's just a backup phone).
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Support? We don't need no stinkin' support.
We have great dev's here, like Snuzzo, iHWO, shrike, and Neo just to name a few. A development community even a quarter as good as this one would still be far better than any manufacturer support, save Nexus devices for obvious reasons (and even then, if you're tied to a carrier you're screwed for OTA).
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Don't forget Chad. I wouldn't even have jumped into the game if it hadn't been for his AOSP RIL.
JB + sense4 for my rezound will be my wishlist
since evo LTE and droid DNA will get sense5
Once my upgrade is here - I'm gone off the Rezound! I have a company iPhone 5 and honestly the battery way outperforms all HTC phones I've owned. Here's to hoping the GS4 has great battery!
An HTC rep shared this article because it says what he can't say. I think there's a lot of truth in it. At least the points logic out well to me.
My opinion is Verizon makes decisions about updates based on what is selling best and Sammy is selling like hotcakes, so they are showing all kinds of love to Samsung. Motorola sucks but they are Googles kid, so they get love. HTC killed themselves by spending too much time being quietly brilliant and making 35 different models. If they kept it simple and spent some money on TV ads, it might have been different... Still might, time will tell.
http://ukmobilesupport.co.uk/why-android-updates-are-so-slow/
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sooo....besides the risk of info being leaked....y doesnt google release the code to Samsung, HTC, ect, have it all tested...and have everything ready to be deployed and THEN announce the new update like Apple?
We get leaks usually though when manufacturers finish their updates... Even those leaks are really slow or never show up. So I'm still blaming manufacturers. Lol
HTC confirms One X+ not getting anymore updates
Not for nothing but HTC always has excuses for why they no longer support older devices.
Excuses are like a--holes. Everyone has one and they all stink.
As much as I like the HTC Sense, their lack of supporting old hardware is becoming a major gripe.
If I wanted lack of support for older devices and being forced to spend money on upgrading to a new device, I would switch to Apple.
This is complete BS!
I absolutely agree. My last 5 devices have been HTC but my next one won't be.
XDA-developers has provided HTC with a lot of support over the years by devs willing to spend their own time developing roms, kernels, apps etc that have extended the life of HTC devices and made them better to use. I have stuck with HTC pretty much because the people on this forum would help make my device better. To mind HTC owes this forum a lot. How about we organise a collective response to HTC from One X+ users?
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saitch76 said:
I absolutely agree. My last 5 devices have been HTC but my next one won't be.
XDA-developers has provided HTC with a lot of support over the years by devs willing to spend their own time developing roms, kernels, apps etc that have extended the life of HTC devices and made them better to use. I have stuck with HTC pretty much because the people on this forum would help make my device better. To mind HTC owes this forum a lot. How about we organise a collective response to HTC from One X+ users?
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Ever heard the term fall upon deaf ears. That is exactly what would come out of it.
There was a collective response when they stopped supporting Desire HD.
Did HTC care? Nope. They just want you, the consumer, to spend more money and buy another HTC to help the ailing company.
HTC Sense has some really great features but it is not worth having to spend money every year and a half to buy a new phone in order to receive the latest OS.
HTC blames nVidia for the lack of support. Interesting how the Nexus 7 with nVidia already has fully support for KitKat.
HTC, if you lie to us at least have some truth to your lie!
@saitch76 I am on the same boat as you. My last 3 devices have been HTC and always the same story. After about a year and a half of the phone coming out, HTC always came up with an excuse as to why the device will no longer receive further updates.
Galaxy S5 here I come?
I suspect HTC is hoping users will react with hopelessness as you have described and think there is no point complaining. HTC is in a very different position now compared with the Desire HD days and there is a real chance that they won't exist in a few years. Apple is having to learn that it is unrealistic to expect users to fork out for a new top of the range device every other year. Hence the iPhone 5C. It's an attempt to stop it's customer base defecting to Android (Samsung) devices by giving them them a cheaper route to the latest OS. HTC don't have the monopoly on Android that Apple has on iOS and Samsung has a device for every budget. HTC's only hope is to hold onto their existing customers, particularly the loyal HTC enthusiasts. Nokia and BlackBerry are good examples of what happens when customers are neglected and I hope HTC has taken note. I would much rather be proactive and communicate how unhappy I am, and we are, (there is strength in numbers) than be passive and complain that HTC didn't come knocking on my door to ask what I want. IMO it's not really about the One X+ and KitKat, it's about informing HTC about their longer term strategy for device support. I will only buy another HTC device in the condition that HTC commits to supporting it for longer than 18months. I want HTC to be crystal clear on that. if they can't commit to that then I won't buy another HTC device. If 100 or 500 or 2000 One X+ users communicate that to them then they would be more than foolish not to take notice.
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I am unable to say that I disagree with you.
HTC most likely does expect people to keep mum about it.
When I first heard that the support was ending for the HTC Incredible I said, "Eh, it was a weak phone and phones are on the rise and getting stronger."
I then went to unlocked phones because I was working abroad. The Desire HD was their flagship and an incredibly popular phone. The forums were tagged with roms. Every week a new rom was born. Shortly after HTC released the Sensation, they stated that Desire HD will no longer receive updates.
Lucky me for not jumping to Sensation because as soon as the One X was released, Sensation lost support. That was followed by the One X+.
HTC put all their efforts on updating the One X+ and said the One X will get updates eventually. (I could keep going but you get the point.)
The HTC One is an amazing phone but the One X+ is still holding strong and could manage anything you throw at it.
I agree with everything you said. HTC once held the market a long time ago, as did Nokia and BlackBerry. The problems with Nokia and Blackberry is that they decided to stick to their own OS or partner up with an OS no one uses.
Apple still has their fanbase. People who like iPhones will continue to buy them every year or two, and Apple is very much aware of that.
HTC on the other hand, does not have that much of a fan base anymore. HTC must think they are the only game in town. Unfortunately for them, they are not. With the likes of Samsung surpassing them a long time ago, HTC has lost a huge market share and their stocks are their to prove it. Quarter after quarter their financial records are showing a loss in the billions.
You are right it is not about the One X+ and KitKat, it is about their lack of support. Every 18 months it does very much feel like HTC is pushing you to buy a new phone. My wife's Samsung S3 is now running Android 4.3 with 4.4 on the verge. That phone came out before the One X+ and Samsung is supporting it like a champion. Samsung knows treat your customers right and they will be back. Apparently, HTC expects their customers to keep coming back because their phones look nice. Samsung is currently still using plastic but I have a feeling that they will realize it is time to move to unibody metal. Samsung stole a lot of iPhone fans and I very much see them stealing HTC fans as well.
If you really think that making a stink about it by getting the community together to complain to HTC, I am with you.
I am done with their lack of support and want them to change. Competition makes the companies try their hardest. If HTC seizes to exist, Samsung will rule the market.
Let's start getting the community together and let's complain to HTC.
This ain't over!
What is the best route to do this? I suggested posts on their Twitter and Facebook pages, but they'll just hide them, or give the standard response.
@TeK9samurai I think you are absolutely correct. I'm thinking about setting up a Survey Monkey survey for One X+ users to get some data to send HTC. Questions could include how long users have had their One X+, how many HTC devices they have owned, how many OS updates they have received, how important the latest OS is for users, how long users think a device should be supported for, how likely users are to buy another HTC device, how users feel about the decision not to provide an update to KitKat, how users feel in general regarding HTC's OS update track record, how many users install custom roms in order to update the OS, how likely would users be to buy an HTC device if OS updates via custom roms were not available.
Any thoughts?
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@TeK9samurai I think you are absolutely correct. I'm thinking about setting up a Survey Monkey survey for One X+ users to get some data to send HTC. Questions could include how long users have had their One X+, how many HTC devices they have owned, how many OS updates they have received, how important the latest OS is for users, how long users think a device should be supported for, how likely users are to buy another HTC device, how users feel about the decision not to provide an update to KitKat, how users feel in general regarding HTC's OS update track record, how many users install custom roms in order to update the OS, how likely would users be to buy an HTC device if OS updates via custom roms were not available.
Any thoughts?
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All sounds great, I think the questions about custom roms should be left out.
If you open the door to questions like that, you will get answers that don't help your cause.
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What is the best route to do this? I suggested posts on their Twitter and Facebook pages, but they'll just hide them, or give the standard response.
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Unfortunately, most likely what would happen.
Another course of action needs to be taken.
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@TeK9samurai I think you are absolutely correct. I'm thinking about setting up a Survey Monkey survey for One X+ users to get some data to send HTC. Questions could include how long users have had their One X+, how many HTC devices they have owned, how many OS updates they have received, how important the latest OS is for users, how long users think a device should be supported for, how likely users are to buy another HTC device, how users feel about the decision not to provide an update to KitKat, how users feel in general regarding HTC's OS update track record, how many users install custom roms in order to update the OS, how likely would users be to buy an HTC device if OS updates via custom roms were not available.
Any thoughts?
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It will be a huge waste of time
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Lloir said:
It will be a huge waste of time
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And your suggesting what as an alternative?
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And your suggesting what as an alternative?
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There is nothing you can do.
No matter how many petitions you make or spamming their Facebook/email/inbox won't make a shed of difference.
I suggest you just live with it, like the rest of us have to and all the devices that had to prior to the X/X+
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Lloir said:
There is nothing you can do.
No matter how many petitions you make or spamming their Facebook/email/inbox won't make a shed of difference.
I suggest you just live with it, like the rest of us have to and all the devices that had to prior to the X/X+
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Just living with it is exactly what HTC will hope for. It's not in my nature not to do that. Passivity achieves nothing.
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I'll never buy a htc phone again.... :/
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Just living with it is exactly what HTC will hope for. It's not in my nature not to do that. Passivity achieves nothing.
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I agree. Just acceping and moving on does nothing. We've done in the past with numerous HTC devices, and we always thought HTC understood and wanted to change.
It's like they keep updating the One now, but ofter the One successor comes along, the One will be forgotten.
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I agree. Just acceping and moving on does nothing. We've done in the past with numerous HTC devices, and we always thought HTC understood and wanted to change.
It's like they keep updating the One now, but ofter the One successor comes along, the One will be forgotten.
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ALL u can do is get a different phone next. they will not change this decision. i had inspire 4g/ desire hd, and had the same problem but i didnt stop buying their phones, i just like sense and their harware. that doesnt mean they are doing a good job, at the end of the day phone does same things for me as any current flagship. i will make sure i never get a tegra device no more because u cant get all the goodies on this devices that xda can offer. my 2 cents.
Guys , in may 2014 the HTC one community will be in our same situation today ,14 month old device ,let see if they will stop there too, from my experience HTC thinks xda customers don't represent 1% of their customers ,so it's easy for HTC tho move on and forget about us , even HTC elevate people get nowhere
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I'll never buy a htc phone again.... :/
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Neither will I. I got screwed in the ass figuratively with Motorola's Photon 4G but this is worse. A 14 month old phone IS NOT OLD. I bought my One X+ the day AT&T released it in November 2012, in fact the sales guy at the store had to look for it in back as it just arrived in stock.
I realize the phone has been out internationally since they dropped the ball with LTE support but I feel ripped off and misled. BTW it was slow as molasses opening apps with 4.1, the custom ROM based on 4.2 I installed (after rooting it which is a must) is faster but not by much.
But you see, that's the point. Who in their right mind thinks 14 months is enough for a phone. I wish I had the money to spend so I could get a new phone every year. This is complete bs that a company decides you should get a new phone because they are no longer supporting it.
By the way Tegra chips have nothing to do with it. If they did, why does the Nexus 7 have 4.4?
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Whenever anyone of us say that about the Nexus 7, someone says that the Nexus uses a different version of the Tegra 3, and that ours is unsupported, not that one.
Nexus 7: Tegra 3 T30L (Q1 2012)
One X: Tegra 3 AP33 (Q4 2011)
One X+: Tegra 3 T33 or AP37 (Q2 2012)