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Hi All,
This thread will serve many purposes.
As some of you might have noticed I was absent on these forums for about 3 weeks now. I have just logged in today with a LOT to reply to in different threads. I will try to reply to all those threads as I go along this weekend, but will start off here.
I had presented earlier my issue of TG01 freezing. I could not solve it. No solution was to be found. I contacted Orange, they agreed to replace it for a 'refurbished' handset. Happy days (or so did I think!).
Next day a refurbished handset was sent out. I noticed no issue with it and after 30 minutes or so, it froze! Restarted and froze again! All I could do was call Orange from my landline, explain them the issue - I suspected it was either my SIM card or my SD card - and so did they. So I tried to remove everything and only insert battery and start my phone. Shockingly, it froze and restarted! However, Orange call centre did nothing but blame me on inserting a faulty SD card in first place!
After about an hour's arguements and explainations, they agreed to send me another replacement - this time again refurbished and I agreed on NOT inserting anything but battery to it when it arrives. Next day I just inserted my battery. To my horror, phone froze again giving me an error 'Problem occured with Shell32.exe' - so I called Orange and told them about this when my phone had repeated the process of freezing and restarting for about 4-5 times. Again, they went through diagnostic tests, asked me if I inserted my SD card or SIM card and I said 'No I din't' - so I was told the phone my act this way because of my SIM not in my phone - I should always let TG01 recognise the SIM else it will freeze - That statement MADE NO SENSE to me, but I did as I was told. Nothing worked. So they agreed on sending handset replacement -3 !!
Cutting the long story short - I have had handset replacements - 5 by today!! And all of them froze with or without SIM, SD card! One of the customer service rep did point out that it might be the 'faulty handsets' that were being refused by customers in earlier sales (I presume he meant when SD card issues were found with 6.1 ROMS). All these 5 replacements have proved that it's definitely from Orange's handset side that the fault is re-appearing.
Based on the comment by cust. serv. rep, I am assuming it could be:
a) Firmware issue?
b) Hardware issue?
Now, I haven't researched enough, but in earlier phase, was there an issue with actual hardware? Did Toshiba change anything after those 6.1 call quality and freezing issues? As far as I knew all they did was give us an update with better radio and better OS. Please correct me here!
Could these phones be freezing due to bad flash from Orange's side? Could it be due to faulty radios? I have tried flashing my own ROMs as well as those cooked by others in this forum, but haven't been able to test any as even with cooked roms the phone froze!!
I called about 2 hours ago, and Orange have offered me - DMR (Different Model Replacement) as they think it's TG01 that is causing problem. Guess what did they offer me? A LG GT505 - heard of that? No? Well, neither had I! They said this is THE ONLY phone that is CLOSEST in the market to the specifications, cost and make of TG01 - this made me burst with laughter and anger!! How ignorant is that! I argued for 2 hours going point by point what our TG01 has and what LG doesn't! But all in vain, and there was no compensation offered, no discount on line rental offered, but only a straight question - do you want this LG phone or not?
I haven't been able to use my phone for more than 12-15 minutes constantly in last 3 weeks and sadly I don't think I would be able to for few more months. I don't have the heart that will let me swap TG01 for LG GT505!
In summation after this LONG rant, all I am saying is -
a) I won't be able to release any more ROMs - I was working on three of them.
b) I will be happy to support any developments I have committed to as of now - but I won't be able to test them. So they will all be 'BETA'
c) I won't be able to share this TG01 device for development solely because it's unfit for any sort of testing or development as of now.
d) I am happy to continue finishing my three roms I have been working on since last release and also help in further TG01 development as far as there are enough BETA TESTER who are ready to test them on their device with their own responsibility.
e) This might be my unexpected good-bye to TG01, but not to the community I hope (well, only till I sort out some money for another second hand TG01 that might work on Orange)
f) PLEASE PLEASE Don't go for Orange for any contracts - Especially if you expect to fall in love with your device!
Any suggestion, comments that might help me deal with Orange or come out of this misery, are most welcome.
I am sorry for not being able to respond to your queries (in my PM) and to your posts in various threads - am on it now!
drupad2drupad said:
I had presented earlier my issue of TG01 freezing. I could not solve it. No solution was to be found. I contacted Orange, they agreed to replace it for a 'refurbished' handset. Happy days (or so did I think!).
Next day a refurbished handset was sent out. I noticed no issue with it and after 30 minutes or so, it froze! Restarted and froze again! All I could do was call Orange from my landline, explain them the issue - I suspected it was either my SIM card or my SD card - and so did they. So I tried to remove everything and only insert battery and start my phone. Shockingly, it froze and restarted! However, Orange call centre did nothing but blame me on inserting a faulty SD card in first place!
After about an hour's arguements and explainations, they agreed to send me another replacement - this time again refurbished and I agreed on NOT inserting anything but battery to it when it arrives. Next day I just inserted my battery. To my horror, phone froze again giving me an error 'Problem occured with Shell32.exe' - so I called Orange and told them about this when my phone had repeated the process of freezing and restarting for about 4-5 times. Again, they went through diagnostic tests, asked me if I inserted my SD card or SIM card and I said 'No I din't' - so I was told the phone my act this way because of my SIM not in my phone - I should always let TG01 recognise the SIM else it will freeze - That statement MADE NO SENSE to me, but I did as I was told. Nothing worked. So they agreed on sending handset replacement -3 !!
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Hi.
Did I understand You correctly, they sent You 3 times refurbished unit, different unit each time or it was still Your unit but "fixed" ?
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hi.
Did I understand You correctly, they sent You 3 times refurbished unit, different unit each time or it was still Your unit but "fixed" ?
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
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No!
They sent me '5' times refurbished unit - different unit. Not mine one that was fixed. I was keepint track of IMEI number as I read somewhere on forums about their dodgy dealings. So it was different IMEI number each time i.e. different device - but same problem!
Only thing common was - it was 'updated to 6.5' by Orange.
Glad to have you back on the forum Drupad !
Dont forget to Hard Reset after a ROM Flash! Or after you first recieve it. thatis appaling from Orange. Demand a NEW phone. Not a refurbished. Also that LG is no where near to the TG01 standard. it has only HVGA screen, resisitive touch screen, 600mhz. They call that a worthy tg01 compeitor? I heard a while back they were offering HTC heros. But stay on this forum, don't leave us! haha.. Hope you get your problems solved mate.
drupad2drupad said:
No!
They sent me '5' times refurbished unit - different unit. Not mine one that was fixed. I was keepint track of IMEI number as I read somewhere on forums about their dodgy dealings. So it was different IMEI number each time i.e. different device - but same problem!
Only thing common was - it was 'updated to 6.5' by Orange.
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I suspect that "refurbrished" units are simply damaged or rather bricked units returned by other users and Orange did not do anything with them.
Maybe You should contact Toshiba UK like user 'El Diablo' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11076193&postcount=30
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
olyloh6696 said:
Glad to have you back on the forum Drupad !
Dont forget to Hard Reset after a ROM Flash! Or after you first recieve it. thatis appaling from Orange. Demand a NEW phone. Not a refurbished. Also that LG is no where near to the TG01 standard. it has only HVGA screen, resisitive touch screen, 600mhz. They call that a worthy tg01 compeitor? I heard a while back they were offering HTC heros. But stay on this forum, don't leave us! haha.. Hope you get your problems solved mate.
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I was so pissed off and mental exhausted - I have had 3 sim card replacements (at first even after me shouting that it's not SIM, it's my phone - they wanted me to 'try' sims) and then 5 handset replacements. After I got each of these items my problem persisted so I called 'technical support' to sort me out - but even after nearly 90 to 120 minutes of diagnostic tests daily, all they did was send out 'another' sim or phone! This just drained me and since I could not even use it as a phone, let alone development - my absense to this forum!
I will try to be back and answer most generic queries which won't need use of my TG01, as I won't rely on my TG01 for now till I know it's fixed!
BTW, they think LG GT505 is THE ONLY competitor of TG01 or I should pay £495 + agree to another 24 months contract and get the phone of my choice! - how convenient.
fxdjacentyfxd said:
I suspect that "refurbrished" units are simply damaged or rather bricked units returned by other users and Orange did not do anything with them.
Maybe You should contact Toshiba UK like user 'El Diablo' http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11076193&postcount=30
Regards
fxdjacentyfxd
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I have already wrote an email to Toshiba UK and Orange Executive Office last night, and will hope to get some feedback on how to resolve the issue somewhere in next week. I very much agree to your doubt that at Orange it's been 'overlooked' - they make it shiny and nice looking but original fault in the handset is not resolved at all.
i.e. two handsets had issues with speakers - probably customers returned them due to bad speakers.
one handset had loosly aligned or highly damaged screen and if I press at the bottom of screen, my top bar was automatically responding - even screen alignment din't help!
drupad2drupad said:
I was so pissed off and mental exhausted - I have had 3 sim card replacements (at first even after me shouting that it's not SIM, it's my phone - they wanted me to 'try' sims) and then 5 handset replacements. After I got each of these items my problem persisted so I called 'technical support' to sort me out - but even after nearly 90 to 120 minutes of diagnostic tests daily, all they did was send out 'another' sim or phone! This just drained me and since I could not even use it as a phone, let alone development - my absense to this forum!
I will try to be back and answer most generic queries which won't need use of my TG01, as I won't rely on my TG01 for now till I know it's fixed!
BTW, they think LG GT505 is THE ONLY competitor of TG01 or I should pay £495 + agree to another 24 months contract and get the phone of my choice! - how convenient.
I have already wrote an email to Toshiba UK and Orange Executive Office last night, and will hope to get some feedback on how to resolve the issue somewhere in next week. I very much agree to your doubt that at Orange it's been 'overlooked' - they make it shiny and nice looking but original fault in the handset is not resolved at all.
i.e. two handsets had issues with speakers - probably customers returned them due to bad speakers.
one handset had loosly aligned or highly damaged screen and if I press at the bottom of screen, my top bar was automatically responding - even screen alignment din't help!
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That is appalling.. I've always been dissapointed wig Orange customer support. They are not techinical at all. What about that replacement TG01 you said you were getting.? Have you received it yet? You could check if it has problems with it. I hope the executive of Orange will compensate you for the trouble. I would day a brand new TG01 + cash compensation. They shouldn't be supplying faulty devices. I hope it all goes well for you.. Best of luck!
Hi Drupad2drupad
II know how you feel, I ditched Orange years ago and I am on Pay as you go and get my handsets from http://uk.webuy.com/ grade B or grade A
Anyway my TG01 also freezes a lot and occasionally will not switch on at all so this is what I have found.
If you are using the original 8Gb card supplied with the TG01 from Orange then buy a new one as there are loads of posts of people reporting corruption on those cards.
I say this because when my TG01 refuses to switch on I have to take out both my sim card and sd card then run a scandisk on the card from my laptop then my TG01 will boot (no errors reported from scandisk)
Secondly I have found nearly all the 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 roms keep freezing on me, or my TG01 wont wake up. 6.5 is quite good and I have never had a freeze using 6.1
So my advice just to see if your TG01 will work is to get a decent card first and download the stock Orange rom and flash using this then hard reset then download FFBoys 6.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679530 and when this completes do a hard reset again and see how this works
Remember to ensure your battery is 100% first.
I know you will not want to stay on 6.1 but if this works then your TG01 is probably ok and go from there.
Keep us posted and good luck.
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Someone (cant recall who) made a blank or empty rom for the TG01 especially for users suffering problems after flashing. Once loaded you have to re-flash using the pin method but I remember the developer saying something like 'as this is empty it will case your TG01 to reformat its internal memory' as 'fragmented' memory (I think that's what they called it) caused the reflash to not correctly overwrite the memory
This causes problems as other users for different devices agree about the factory rom first then custom rom afterwards.
olyloh6696 said:
That is appalling.. I've always been dissapointed wig Orange customer support. They are not techinical at all. What about that replacement TG01 you said you were getting.? Have you received it yet? You could check if it has problems with it. I hope the executive of Orange will compensate you for the trouble. I would day a brand new TG01 + cash compensation. They shouldn't be supplying faulty devices. I hope it all goes well for you.. Best of luck!
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I don't know why I ended up renewing my contract with Orange in first place! Oh I know, because ONLY orange sold this lovely TG01s!!
They don't talk anything more than what it says on their screens! Even the 'technical support' isn't technical! Probably a newbie on XDA can give out more details than that!
Yes I received that handset same day. The executive office - NO REPLY. Toshiba Europe, asked me to send this phone to Toshiba repair centre - however, this will cost me if it's not included in Orange 'warranty'. So I called Orange and they warned me NOT TO send it to anyone at Toshiba or anywhere else directly and bloated some legal lines to me! = I have no phone now! They are still on about the same thing - take the LG GT505 - it's BETTER than TG01.
So far - Orange cust service - not ready to even wave off my line rental for the days I haven't used my phone at all (since mid Jan till today - appox 22 days and I have successfully sent 12 text msgs and used 2 minutes 28 seconds of talk time!!) - reason being - rest of the hours it's freezing, restarting!
Orange exec office - no one has bothered replying, but when I called, the number doesn't seem to be answered at all!
Toshiba - thinks the handset that behaves this way is 'faulty' and needs to be sent to repair centre to 'confirm' and 'repair' - but with £20-£40 of charges involved even if phone isn't repaired!
dr_strangetrick said:
Hi Drupad2drupad
II know how you feel, I ditched Orange years ago and I am on Pay as you go and get my handsets from http://uk.webuy.com/ grade B or grade A
Thanks for this useful link -looks good!
Anyway my TG01 also freezes a lot and occasionally will not switch on at all so this is what I have found.If you are using the original 8Gb card supplied with the TG01 from Orange then buy a new one as there are loads of posts of people reporting corruption on those cards.I say this because when my TG01 refuses to switch on I have to take out both my sim card and sd card then run a scandisk on the card from my laptop then my TG01 will boot (no errors reported from scandisk)
I have at numerous occassions already tried to use (more than 5 different handsets) without any SD card inserted - not mine, not theirs - and it still freezes - So I reckon it's not the SD card issue, but I so wish it was and then at least it would be solved!
Secondly I have found nearly all the 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 roms keep freezing on me, or my TG01 wont wake up. 6.5 is quite good and I have never had a freeze using 6.1So my advice just to see if your TG01 will work is to get a decent card first and download the stock Orange rom and flash using this then hard reset then download FFBoys 6.1 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=679530 and when this completes do a hard reset again and see how this works. Remember to ensure your battery is 100% first. I know you will not want to stay on 6.1 but if this works then your TG01 is probably ok and go from there. Keep us posted and good luck.
All the ROMs I have used and I have cooked - mostly have been 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 - and I have never faced any issues before. However, I have tried flashing 6.1 FFBoy's ROM, stock rom 6.5, orange debranded by aragon, orange debranded by kevinpwhite and all of my roms, few miroms - but it freezes irrespective of what rom i flash - I have even hard reset my phone i.e. vol up + power + camera exercise.
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Someone (cant recall who) made a blank or empty rom for the TG01 especially for users suffering problems after flashing. Once loaded you have to re-flash using the pin method but I remember the developer saying something like 'as this is empty it will case your TG01 to reformat its internal memory' as 'fragmented' memory (I think that's what they called it) caused the reflash to not correctly overwrite the memory. This causes problems as other users for different devices agree about the factory rom first then custom rom afterwards.
This in particular sounds very new and exciting to me - and might work, however all the searches I have done in google and XDA - gave me no results for blank or empty TG01 rom. Do you mean a clean rom or a stock rom? If so I have tried that
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Cant find that blank/zero rom but I know I've seen it somewhere around here but it was nearly 9 months ago (not sure when it was originaly posted)
If I come across it I will let you know, unless any other members can remember this?
Toshiba 6.5 Rom
Not sure if this helps but I installed the 6.5 rom from the Toshiba site as soon as it came available, as a legit download and have had no issues with freezing at all.
Any newsfrom a new TG?
olyloh6696 said:
Any newsfrom a new TG?
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So here I am!
Sent an email to the executive office - someone called me back today.
Guess what? They offered me EXACTLY same offers that the call centre offered me and I quote their last line:
"Orange can only offer you LG GT505 as different model replacement - as this is VERY similar to TG01 phone you want. You can either agree to take it or use the current TG01 which you are not happy with. We will no longer encourage discussion"
I am gobsmacked and have no idea what to say!
However, I have asked them to put this in writing in response to my email and have said I will be taking up to Trading Standards as they should not be sending out 'replacement handset' which keep freezing at first place!
She replied: "Yes that's fine, I will respond to your email, but we cannot be held liable if you are not happy with your handset"
After that we have been emailing each other till today. There are string of emails where we cannot solve this issue. I have been told, they won't offer me compensation because I have used their services. Obviously I have used services, by borrowing phones from friends, finding Orange compatible old phones and inserting my SIM inside. How can they expect the customer to NOT use the SIM even though he is paying the line rental for this phone!
They also claimed that Orange Line rental is for the airtime and not the handset- which clearly isn't true - else iPhone, Windows Phone 7 and Nokia 3200 would all be sold on a price plan at same price!! They still claimed it's got nothing to do with handset. If I am not happy with the quality of replacement TG01, as a good will gesture they will offer me 'LG GT505' and no other phone. I take it or leave it. I raised the complaint to CISAS - but was told that since it's an equipment fault they won't get involved. They adviced me to contact consumer direct or trading standard. I opted for trading standard who asked me to contact consumer standard first then trading direct if it's unresolved.
I contact consumer direct and they think under the Sales of Good Act, I should be allowed a working replacement and if that doesn't help then I should be given compensation - So I am going to write to Orange with all these and see what is the response and then I have been adviced to take this to small claims court.
Phew, all this for a working TG01! Don't I just love my TG01!
By the way technical guys out there:
I have been able to find a work around - If I keep my phone in flight mode for about 60-65 minutes after a soft reset and then remove flight mode - it doesn't freeze for 5-6 hours!! If I do a soft reset, don't keep it in flight mode, then it freezes every 10-12 minutes!
Obviously I have a work around now, but why should I keep my phone switched off for 60 minutes every time!! - Does anyone have a reason behind why it happens like this? Could it be something to do with network? SIM? (I have had 3 SIM replacements already)? Battery? It's definitely not memory card, as I have nothing in that slot.
Anyone with any ideas or experience is more than welcome to help me
drupad2drupad said:
By the way technical guys out there:
I have been able to find a work around - If I keep my phone in flight mode for about 60-65 minutes after a soft reset and then remove flight mode - it doesn't freeze for 5-6 hours!! If I do a soft reset, don't keep it in flight mode, then it freezes every 10-12 minutes!
Obviously I have a work around now, but why should I keep my phone switched off for 60 minutes every time!! - Does anyone have a reason behind why it happens like this? Could it be something to do with network? SIM? (I have had 3 SIM replacements already)? Battery? It's definitely not memory card, as I have nothing in that slot.
Anyone with any ideas or experience is more than welcome to help me
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Nice to see you back with a TG01 What ROM are you using? its strange how many phones have the same issue. Like you said, it could be a SIM card problem. but do you also have 4 different batteries? test them all out individually?
hope you get it sorted soon mate!
Possible solution? I've just been reading back through your OP, and i realised i had a similiar problem like this. i was using WM6.5 for a long time, with no problems.but i used spb backup and switched to 6.1. when restored contacts on 6.1 my phone would freeze and lock up like the problems that you described.. I always thought it was a problem with the ROM but it was actually my backup manager. i remember installing apps, syncing with exchange would freeze the phone. i also remeber spb shell didn't load up. i found a solution, by using PIM backup. now everything works 100%. what backup manager did you use? try pim backup! also did you sync with activessync? that may be a problem. try restoring your contacts with PIM backup!
drupad2drupad said:
By the way technical guys out there:
I have been able to find a work around - If I keep my phone in flight mode for about 60-65 minutes after a soft reset and then remove flight mode - it doesn't freeze for 5-6 hours!! If I do a soft reset, don't keep it in flight mode, then it freezes every 10-12 minutes!
Obviously I have a work around now, but why should I keep my phone switched off for 60 minutes every time!! - Does anyone have a reason behind why it happens like this? Could it be something to do with network? SIM? (I have had 3 SIM replacements already)? Battery? It's definitely not memory card, as I have nothing in that slot.
Anyone with any ideas or experience is more than welcome to help me
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Hmm , interesting. It seems that problem is with radio. I gues that if You switch radio off ( in fact flight mode does it ) , Your phone will never freeze.
You were changing roms ( and SIM cards too ) so we can rather exclude software ( radio versions ) unless You always had the same radio version ?
Conclusion can be rather unpleasant because it can points to hardware ( GSM module ) problems. I hope I am wrong.
BTH. What will happen if we boot up system without SIM card ? Any radio software and hardware should work but will the phone freeze too ?
SIM card reader is part of radio hardware too and we can not exclude it has problems.
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fxdjacentyfxd
olyloh6696 said:
Nice to see you back with a TG01 What ROM are you using? its strange how many phones have the same issue. Like you said, it could be a SIM card problem. but do you also have 4 different batteries? test them all out individually?
hope you get it sorted soon mate!
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haha, not back yet oly! this TG01 is only good for about 4-9 hours a day, the rest of the time it goes mental on me! I am trying to sync my sleeping patterns with the phone - which I should be doing after paying fortune to Orange! (line rental + insurance!)
olyloh6696 said:
Possible solution? I've just been reading back through your OP, and i realised i had a similiar problem like this. i was using WM6.5 for a long time, with no problems.but i used spb backup and switched to 6.1. when restored contacts on 6.1 my phone would freeze and lock up like the problems that you described.. I always thought it was a problem with the ROM but it was actually my backup manager. i remember installing apps, syncing with exchange would freeze the phone. i also remeber spb shell didn't load up. i found a solution, by using PIM backup. now everything works 100%. what backup manager did you use? try pim backup! also did you sync with activessync? that may be a problem. try restoring your contacts with PIM backup!
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I wish this was my case too!
I am using PIM back up too. But the whole issues comes here: As soon as I get a fresh handset from Orange, I don't do anything but put my battery inside it and start. Leave it on my desk, literally stare at it. And it starts acting weird even without the SIM card inserted inside it!! I am still using the official Toshiba 6.5 ROM as I din't dare to flash anything with this freezing issue after i replaced 2 hansets (this is my 5th one!). I am just worried if it freezes while flash, I might end up bricking my phone - I have only installed my PIM contacts till date - nothing else. No apps no reg tweaks nothing! And I am using (whenever it's not frozen) the laggy crappy TG01's official UI - *sigh* regret being with Orange!
fxdjacentyfxd said:
Hmm , interesting. It seems that problem is with radio. I gues that if You switch radio off ( in fact flight mode does it ) , Your phone will never freeze.
You were changing roms ( and SIM cards too ) so we can rather exclude software ( radio versions ) unless You always had the same radio version ?
Conclusion can be rather unpleasant because it can points to hardware ( GSM module ) problems. I hope I am wrong.
BTH. What will happen if we boot up system without SIM card ? Any radio software and hardware should work but will the phone freeze too ?
SIM card reader is part of radio hardware too and we can not exclude it has problems.
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fxdjacentyfxd
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Hi, thanks for quick response! I am thinking it could be radio too, but it freezes even without inserting the SIM card. I have tried using different SIM card in it, but it still freezes. So I think we can safely eliminate SIM being an issue. I had flashed ROMs in first 2 handsets, but in last 3 I only used TG01s default rom. GSM module - is something I din't think of. But what are the chances that a whole lot of phones (5 TG01s) sent to me had issue with GSM modules?!
Is there a way to solve radio issue i.e. have something like virtual flight mode? where phone will think it's in flight mode, but SIM is active?
drupad2drupad said:
GSM module - is something I din't think of. But what are the chances that a whole lot of phones (5 TG01s) sent to me had issue with GSM modules?!
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Pure statistics and speculations
As I remember , phones that Orange was sending to You were refurbrished. How do You know :
1) They were refurbrished at all.
2) Even if theoretically they has been fixed ( were in any repair center ), a man
responsible for it was never waiting untill it will freeze. Simply switched phone on, looked it works and switched it off. After such "test" they returned to Orange.
On the other hand, maybe GSM module damage is most "popular" on our tg01 ( excluding pure mechanical ). We do not know any data concerning how many damaged tg01 went to Orange back and why.
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fxdjacentyfxd
I've discovered a severe "bug" that is not an isolated issue. I am using the AT&T branded Titan, unlocked on Telus Mobility. Works like a charm however after replacing my Titan several times I've discovered there is a MAJOR reoccurring bug in the OS which causes the Titan to "crash" when the storage capacity has reached a certain amount. I have tested it on several replacement Titans. I have also encountered this crash more than 10 times and can reproduce it easily. Other users have also reported encountering the same crash upon testing.
When this "crash" takes place when you have filled your storage with media or apps beyond approx. 75% (this may now be inaccurate). Based on my testing the crash occurs sooner when the storage is filled higher. In some instances it occurred within 20 min or less of storage reaching over 90% capacity. In a few cases it crashed the next day. These crashed are not caused by anything specific but will occur randomly. I've witnessed the crash in 2 forms. One a UI glitch which I will explain in a moment. The other is simply the phone being stuck on the white HTC boot screen which can only be resolved with a hard reset. The other more common crash appears as a UI glitch at first and you can no longer launch any apps, any tiles or anything at all. You are forced to do a soft reset (which tricks you to think this fixes the odd UI glitch). Upon soft reset the phone will take much longer to reboot than normal. This is because it's actually entering the first time setup process! Your Windows Live Hotmail hub and account settings are magically and permanently removed as well as your Facebook settings. It is impossible to re-add these back and it will only give you repeated errors when trying to do so.
However, all your previous apps, media and some settings will be oddly retained.. for a temporary time until another crash forcing a hard reset. Before this occurs I recommend transferring any personal media off the phone to risk losing it. At this point a hard reset is the only way you can re-add your Windows Live Hotmail account and Facebook account. And of course this causes utter sadness since you lose all your settings, media, apps and any Xbox Live game progress (in my case A LOT of progress).
As mentioned this is not an isolated issue and needs to be addressed. I have decided to contact HTC directly about this in hopes for a resolution. Originally it was thought when you go over 75% capacity of storage this crash would occur however I discovered yesterday that this crash occurred for me with only 7Gb storage remaining BUT was stable for over a month before the crash occurred.
I really hope HTC or Microsoft address this issue. I have heard from Titan users in Europe this issue was resolved in an update. However this update is not available to North America.
I have uploaded a video of the UI glitch version of the crash here and what occurs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enkDBdixCc .
Oh man that would suck. Tomorrow I will fill my titan to the brim. Stay tuned
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Filling my Titan up now, I'll let you know the result.
Filled to 557mb remaining. Filled with movies and TV shows. No panic attacks yet. I'll keep using as normal.
I have 1988mb remaining. Dint have much to fill but loaded with massive movies. So far no panic attacks. Using it as normal. Will give it a few hours or maybe even 24 hrs. Do you want me to do anything specific that will freeze it?
All apps launch fine from tiles as well as app list.
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drupad2drupad said:
I have 1988mb remaining. Dint have much to fill but loaded with massive movies. So far no panic attacks. Using it as normal. Will give it a few hours or maybe even 24 hrs. Do you want me to do anything specific that will freeze it?
All apps launch fine from tiles as well as app list.
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Give it a day or so I'd say. The first Titan would crash almost immediately. First sign is when hubs would not open. On the current Titan I had it filled for about 2 days then it started giving Active X errors in Internet Explorer while streaming html 5 videos. I had a feeling it wasn't normal so I closed IE then the phone crashed and I couldn't open any hubs or apps.
Lets see what happens.. Could take a day or so with heavy use. Based on my tests sometimes even soft resets can initiate a crash.
Could it be...
I filled my Titan to less than 600 megs after I added all my music and apps from my Focus. From time to time when browsing the internet, the page will freeze then IE kicks my to the homescreen. When I reopen IE, it's has no history of the page I was just browsing. This has happened over twenty times in five days I've had my Titan.
Bug fixed with new release
I had the same problem but it has been solved with the last firmware realease.
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I had the same problem but it has been solved with the last firmware realease.
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that's great news but on the ATT model I'm not finding any updates through Zune. I even tried forcing any updates but still nothing..
I noticed the same thing. I think it may actually be the app storage which you can change in the zune settings. I changed mine from 5 to 10% and so far so good. I wasn't that close to running out of room in my media storage.
@audichris9
Changing these values will not resolve the problem. If you record a big video on your device, you'll probably loose it. It append to me.
The only way is to wait the firmware release in your country.
i have been having the same problem.
i won my titan at a windows party, and now i have it unlocked to work on t-mobile. i thought it was because i unlocked it, it started freezing. but i hard reset, loaded it up, and then it froze again. im tired of having to redo the phone cus its like over 100 apps to redownload everytime plus music. also my google mail wont work so i guess i will be hard resetting one more time, and make sure i dont put as much **** on it. its got 7gb of storage still and your right no update for the US yet
The 2 Titans I have are also ones that were won from the MS promo parties. Not sure if that's related. So far this is the most stable its been, its been a week with no forced hard resets. But not sure how long I can go not adding media or recording videos.
I will say that it still hasn't been glitch free. Kik messenger crashes from time to time as went as internet explorer. But at least it hasn't froze or forced to hard reset again.
wow impressive but i agree its scary thinking if u add just one album the phone is ****ed. lately windows messenger goes out of sync and i cant facebook chat. very weird. i restarted the phone then it works. but when i go to settings and try and add it under accounts, it doesnt save. weird.i never had any problems with my hd7. now i get the phone of my dreams and it wants to be a ***** :X haha
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I may have stumbled onto either a widespread issue with the Titan or just an issue with a small percentage.
I noticed another member mentioning their first Titan being a dud and crashing at 75% storage capacity. Funny enough I am also on my 2nd Titan and experienced similar problems both times.
Both become unstable only after I installed all my apps, games and media so essentially once it was fully loaded up. Then the phone would crash in some unusual and random way each time forcing me to perform a hard reset. Most commonly the hubs would cause a UI glitch not allowing any apps to be launch. I would be forced to soft reset where then it would take 4 times longer than normal to boot. Then I would be brought back to the Windows Phone first time setup but strangely all my apps and media would still be there except the ATT apps would be restored and some of the original settings would revert. As well you lose you hotmail setup and Facebook sync and neither can be restored without a hard reset so it's a catch 22.
I bought a second Titan thinking I had a lemon the first time but found the second one did the same thing to me once I followed the same routine. It's stable now only because I uploaded a bunch of media to the cloud this time and my storage is at 8.9gb remaining instead of the usual 2gb. I'm scared to transfer movies and other media on to it and fill it up.
Do you think it's an issue with all Titans when you fill it near capacity or is it possible I have 2 lemons? Wondering if anyone else has theirs over 75% capacity?
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Ran into this exact issue. Just not sure how close I was to capacity, but I would imagine it was definitely over 75%. Not cool...
Curious if MS knows about this issue.. Or if it's Titan specific. I guess in that case we'd need a fix from HTC.
Either way we need a fix for it from either one. We shouldn't have to avoid using storage on our phones forever.
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Fixed in v7.10 (7740)
This issue was fixed for me on v7.10 (7740), 2-3 weeks ago.
Did anybody else had this update ?
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This issue was fixed for me on v7.10 (7740), 2-3 weeks ago.
Did anybody else had this update ?
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As far as I know this update is not available to the AT&T branded models.
man my titan crashed again today. i was on the phone and got off and the screen was frozen. now the phone wont turn back on wtf! my hd7 never gave me a single problem and now i get the flagship Titan, and i cant load it to the max, i cant use fb chat. **** is weak. i am in LOVE with windows phone but this has bummed me out. tired of hard resetting ahh just a little vent
Guys have you tried 7740 update? Or the HTC firmware/driver update with new drivers?
I am unfortunately a bimbo when it comes to the mobile phones. I have tried to find an answer to my question, but I only found guesses, nothing spesific or helpful. I am hoping to find someone who understands the CPU/modem of Samsung phones, please bear with me!
Samsung Galaxy S II
GT-I9100
Android 4.1.2
Kernel 3.0.31-889555
Build JZ054K.I9100XWLSJ
Not sim-locked, not rooted. Purchaced in Finland September 2012, should be normal "untouched" phone.
Upgraded to Jellybean (right?) a couple of months ago by selecting the option from the phone. Kies and me, not working together. After every OS update I have done a factory reboot and installed the apps back, because some people on the forums have suggested it as a good precautionary measure. Things have always gone smoothly after updates.
The problem: Nowdays the phone overheats. It gets so hot that last time this happened the sim card got twisted and malformed. Also the battery drains fast when the phone gets hot. The hottest place on the phone is right under the camera lense (CPU?), not the battery. Most of the time wifi is on, mobile data off, GPS off and bluetooth off. Wifi signal is excellent.
This did not happen before Jellybean, otherwise I would only blame my extensive use of the phone. I have about 100-105 apps, Lookout, Juice Defender, about 10 news widgets, irc client, Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, Photoapps, Picasa tool, Olivephone etc. I watch movies, write docs. The memory certainly is in use, and the data transfer is 3,76 GB in 6 days over wifi (according to My Data Manager app).
The posts I found, suggested that the problem might be in media scanner or modem, and indeed software related. Is there any way of knowing this for sure? How can I read data like CPU use, temperatures etc or is it even helpful? Any other possible reasons? Is there a way to fix the problem without rooting the phone? As a bimbo I am scared of going to that route, because things tend to go wrong. If someone suggests a fix by simply installing a modem, can you create a return point or somehow make sure things can get back to what they were? I can always ask the seller company, DNA Finland, but doubt they know anything, and if they want me to return the phone as malfunctioning one, I'll probably cry as it took some time to get used to this.
Thank you!
Try a different battery first. See if the issue persists.
"To err is human, to forgive is divine"
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I get that alot too.
Usually when Im on Chrome surfing website the part of the camera lens gets soooo hot, I have to turn it off for it to cool down. I notice it happens alot when I'm outdoors.
What I do it I remove the battery and slot it back in let it cool down a bit before turning it on.
I'm at a lost too sometimes but nothing major so didn't bother. Does your battery drain very quickly when it is overheating? Mine does.
madbutnotstupid said:
I get that alot too.
Usually when Im on Chrome surfing website the part of the camera lens gets soooo hot, I have to turn it off for it to cool down. I notice it happens alot when I'm outdoors.
What I do it I remove the battery and slot it back in let it cool down a bit before turning it on.
I'm at a lost too sometimes but nothing major so didn't bother. Does your battery drain very quickly when it is overheating? Mine does.
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How old is ur battery?
Are u using any case or cover?
"To err is human, to forgive is divine"
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androidfanfinland said:
I am unfortunately a bimbo when it comes to the mobile phones. I have tried to find an answer to my question, but I only found guesses, nothing spesific or helpful. I am hoping to find someone who understands the CPU/modem of Samsung phones, please bear with me!
Samsung Galaxy S II
GT-I9100
Android 4.1.2
Kernel 3.0.31-889555
Build JZ054K.I9100XWLSJ
Not sim-locked, not rooted. Purchaced in Finland September 2012, should be normal "untouched" phone.
Upgraded to Jellybean (right?) a couple of months ago by selecting the option from the phone. Kies and me, not working together. After every OS update I have done a factory reboot and installed the apps back, because some people on the forums have suggested it as a good precautionary measure. Things have always gone smoothly after updates.
The problem: Nowdays the phone overheats. It gets so hot that last time this happened the sim card got twisted and malformed. Also the battery drains fast when the phone gets hot. The hottest place on the phone is right under the camera lense (CPU?), not the battery. Most of the time wifi is on, mobile data off, GPS off and bluetooth off. Wifi signal is excellent.
This did not happen before Jellybean, otherwise I would only blame my extensive use of the phone. I have about 100-105 apps, Lookout, Juice Defender, about 10 news widgets, irc client, Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, Photoapps, Picasa tool, Olivephone etc. I watch movies, write docs. The memory certainly is in use, and the data transfer is 3,76 GB in 6 days over wifi (according to My Data Manager app).
The posts I found, suggested that the problem might be in media scanner or modem, and indeed software related. Is there any way of knowing this for sure? How can I read data like CPU use, temperatures etc or is it even helpful? Any other possible reasons? Is there a way to fix the problem without rooting the phone? As a bimbo I am scared of going to that route, because things tend to go wrong. If someone suggests a fix by simply installing a modem, can you create a return point or somehow make sure things can get back to what they were? I can always ask the seller company, DNA Finland, but doubt they know anything, and if they want me to return the phone as malfunctioning one, I'll probably cry as it took some time to get used to this.
Thank you!
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No disrespect to to the other guys but their responses seemed pretty useless am I right? I've had some experience with this which is why I feel qualified to answer, hopefully if it's still an issue a couple of months since you posted that I may be of help.
It's not something you're going to find a permanent fix for and my best advice is report it to your manufactuer - it is VERY likely to be to do with the jellybean software itself and in terms of a long-term solution you can hope for a further update to be released (it appears to be quite a common problem since the latest upgrade a few months ago).
Now there are things you can do to reduce it. Once it runs dry of battery (switch it off occasionally if it's melting your sim in the process!). Plug it in and let it charge switched off to full capacity. Repeat this process once. You should find that the phone's temperature stays relatively healthy (as does the battery life for ... weeks ( sorry I can't predict how long, for me it was a 4 or 5 before I had to repeat process)
Anyway, to recap, reporting it is important. Unless they're formally told about it then there's no issue.
Another long term solution is to go back to stock ICS. This does not involve routing but does involve wiping the software putting a new one on from scratch. But if you've done factory resets then I'd say you've got enough know how for a stock rom flash, they're not difficult and you'll find plenty of assistance on how to do that on xda.
All the best.
I would try a different modem too.
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If you ask me, I'm a 100% inclined to the modem being the main cause for this. If you can, post the baseband number that appears under settings>> phone info. Baseband, modem and radio all refer to the same. It's good to know what modem you're using, I have a list of modems I've personally tested that resulted in overheating problems.
BTW you should try to fix this asap cuz this overheating messes you battery, it gets inflated. I've had some mayor overheating problems but never had a malformed SIM card. Sounds like you have a portable BBQ grill.
I honestly don't know if you can change modems without rooting your phone but I strongly recommend you root it. Changing modems on rooted SGS2s is a piece of cake.
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androidfanfinland said:
I am unfortunately a bimbo when it comes to the mobile phones. I have tried to find an answer to my question, but I only found guesses, nothing spesific or helpful. I am hoping to find someone who understands the CPU/modem of Samsung phones, please bear with me!
Samsung Galaxy S II
GT-I9100
Android 4.1.2
Kernel 3.0.31-889555
Build JZ054K.I9100XWLSJ
Not sim-locked, not rooted. Purchaced in Finland September 2012, should be normal "untouched" phone.
Upgraded to Jellybean (right?) a couple of months ago by selecting the option from the phone. Kies and me, not working together. After every OS update I have done a factory reboot and installed the apps back, because some people on the forums have suggested it as a good precautionary measure. Things have always gone smoothly after updates.
The problem: Nowdays the phone overheats. It gets so hot that last time this happened the sim card got twisted and malformed. Also the battery drains fast when the phone gets hot. The hottest place on the phone is right under the camera lense (CPU?), not the battery. Most of the time wifi is on, mobile data off, GPS off and bluetooth off. Wifi signal is excellent.
This did not happen before Jellybean, otherwise I would only blame my extensive use of the phone. I have about 100-105 apps, Lookout, Juice Defender, about 10 news widgets, irc client, Facebook, Twitter, Spotify, Photoapps, Picasa tool, Olivephone etc. I watch movies, write docs. The memory certainly is in use, and the data transfer is 3,76 GB in 6 days over wifi (according to My Data Manager app).
The posts I found, suggested that the problem might be in media scanner or modem, and indeed software related. Is there any way of knowing this for sure? How can I read data like CPU use, temperatures etc or is it even helpful? Any other possible reasons? Is there a way to fix the problem without rooting the phone? As a bimbo I am scared of going to that route, because things tend to go wrong. If someone suggests a fix by simply installing a modem, can you create a return point or somehow make sure things can get back to what they were? I can always ask the seller company, DNA Finland, but doubt they know anything, and if they want me to return the phone as malfunctioning one, I'll probably cry as it took some time to get used to this.
Thank you!
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Same thing happend, exept that the battery overheats and it's very hot
is the battery worn out ? it got very hot last night and showed a warning message
If you've had the battery for a while, yeah, try a new one; particularly if the battery appears a bit 'swollen' or feels 'spongy' rather than firm like a new battery does.
I am using 4.3 ROM on any of my phones. and facing regular problems with few thing and those are bugging me bad.
My phone heats up a lot however battery performance has gone bad from worst and still not giving me more then 8 hours with very minimum usage.
Also, while charging, the battery would easily reach up to 47-48 degree Celsius within a minute or two due to which I always have to charge it while keeping it turned off.
Any idea what can be done to resolve it? I am too scared to do regular usage on my phone thinking it would drain out at important time and heating too much can cause severe damage to internals of the phone?
I am having a similar problem on my Galaxy S2 since upgrading to Jelly Bean. But the circumstances are different. If I keep the phone in my trouser pocket I find that it will occasionally become hot and will not respond to the on button. If I then take the battery out and immediately reinsert it the phone starts correctly but the battery will have run down appreciably (usually battery is only down by 10% in a day but after these episodes it will be down by 50% in only the few hours it has been in the trousers). The phone is set to start with a PIN number and Wifi, GPS and data are turned off. The overheating has never occurred if the phone is not in a pocket. I thought that some combination of button presses was causing the trouble so invested in a hard case - but this has not stopped the problem completely although it occurs less often.
The phone details are:
Model GT-I9100, Android 4.1.2, Baseband I9100XXLS8, Kernel 3.0.31-863787 [email protected]#3 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 3112:20:07, Build number JZ054K.I9100XXMS1
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Hi all,
Received my 1 iii yesterday, spent several hours setting it up, tweaking, testing, transferring files--and love it. Been an LG V-series user for the last six years, but with LG bowing out and having moved toward radiused corners, rounded glass, notches, etc. anyway--I'm very glad Sony is still out there making sane, non-compromised phones with basic features like microSD, no hole punch, and headphone jacks that are now treated as "niche" or "enthusiast".
BUT, unfortunately, having a very odd problem, and can't find any examples of anyone else having the issue... but it basically makes the phone unusable.
Literally any time the screen turns off--whether via pressing the power button, or via an inactiivty screen time out--the phone either shuts down, or restarts.
I've done a factory reset several times, tested it with fully restored apps/settings/personal data/etc., and totally un-restored, makes no difference--the issue always happens. So it's not the fault of any setting I altered, app I installed or disabled, etc.
I remember the first time I booted up the phone--but none of the factory reset times since then--that it said something about some setting being on to prevent battery wear from the phone being accidentally turned on during shipping. So maybe there's some bizarre setting somewhere that auto-shuts-down the phone when the screen turns off? Otherwise I'm at a total loss...
Thanks in advance for any help!!
Here is one of two reviews from Amazon about this phone:
"Got in the infinity reboot issue right out of the box...a $1200+ phone, very disappointed .
Got it today on the release. Then start setup and update. Not even until all set up finished, it restarted first time. Then again in just about 15mins. Overall been through restart 12 times. Try hard reset and all other methods, not helping. Return....."
So, unless you are the one who left this review...you are not alone! This type of stuff makes me so disappointed!
Sounds like the reviewer on Amazon was having a different problem. Mine stays on perfectly fine as long as one is interacting with it--only shuts down/restarts if the screen turns off.
Given the variety of software states in which the problem occurs--vlank setup, full set-up, safe mode--seems like a rare hardware issue. As long as it can be replaced with a correctly functioning unit quickly, it's still the phone I want...
If not, I guess I ride out my LG V50 till it dies, and then quit using smart phones...
Having to ship it in for warranty repair. Seems like almost certainly a hardware problem--sounds like I "won" the lemon lottery. A bummer, but not an indictment of the phone generally.
But I'm still really digging the phone--when it works. Did a video A/B with my LG V50, and while it didn't strike me as miles better--it definitely was when full-screen. Not having to look at rounded corners and a notch is worth a lot to me. With font and display set to smallest settings, *love* the look and roominess of the screen.
I agree with not wanting notches, or punch holes...this is why I am interested in this phone...PLUS I truly miss having a notification LED. However, so far the reviews from end users/owners...not the "pro" reviewers on YouTube..is leaning towards the negative! My last three phones have been from OnePlus. Currently on the 8T. I know many have started to slam OnePlus for their practice of late patches and higher prices...but I have not had even ONE problem with any of the OnePlus phones I've had! They just work. I've had the 6, 7-Pro, and now the 8T. There's nothing out there that even interests me any longer that doesn't overheat, or freeze, or have unnecessary dedicated assistant buttons??? Disgusted with them all. I just might have to take a harder look at Apple!!!!
Outside of what appears to be a truly random and uncommon hardware issue that's affecting mine per this thread--I actually really loved the 1 mk iii so far.
I haven't had overheating issues, camera seemed excellent, loved the hardware build quality, *LOVE* having a proper screen again (including no notches, aspect ratio, and tons of room w/ fonts and appearance set to smallest). I will never buy a phone that doesn't have microSD support, and access on this phone is awesome (no tool needed).
I wouldn't be too quick to write it off--especially not for the likes of Apple, who provide a hugely compromised, feature-removing, closed-ecosystem product at an inflated price for what you get.
Keep in mind--it's the internet, so you're going to far disproportionatly have people needing to discuss problems. Folks for whom nothing goes wrong--for any product--won't tend to seek out places like this to say so. So I wouldn't let a really small sample of issues unduly color your view...
Hi I have the exact same issue. Received mine on the 24th and transferred everything over from Oppo find X2 pro. Thought it was me at first when trying to wake but it rebooted. All fine until used in car QI base. After 20 minute drive picked it up and tried to wake only for the same thing to happen. Did this several times yesterday and this morning both on and off charge and while cool to touch. Very disappointing as expected more for something that cost nearly £1200! Like the phone a lot and prefer it over the Oppo but cannot find a way around this. A new 256k micro SD card also being used so have tried without this, without the EE sim and factory reset but still it happens. It's unusable as is so will have to be replaced, unless any suggestions?
Have had a few good Android phones from Huawei P20 pro, Mate 20X to current Oppo in recent times but never had an issue like this.
Having to swap back to the Oppo is very time consuming and exasperating!
Shame as this is a stunningly good phone.
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Hi I have the exact same issue. Received mine on the 24th and transferred everything over from Oppo find X2 pro. Thought it was me at first when trying to wake but it rebooted. All fine until used in car QI base. After 20 minute drive picked it up and tried to wake only for the same thing to happen. Did this several times yesterday and this morning both on and off charge and while cool to touch. Very disappointing as expected more for something that cost nearly £1200! Like the phone a lot and prefer it over the Oppo but cannot find a way around this. A new 256k micro SD card also being used so have tried without this, without the EE sim and factory reset but still it happens. It's unusable as is so will have to be replaced, unless any suggestions?
Have had a few good Android phones from Huawei P20 pro, Mate 20X to current Oppo in recent times but never had an issue like this.
Having to swap back to the Oppo is very time consuming and exasperating!
Shame as this is a stunningly good phone.
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Forgot to say there are others on here with similar issue, under random reboot thread.
After sending in for "repair" and receiving it back with no improvement (but "repaired"), Sony has finally agreed I'm due a replacement unit. Have shipped my first unit off, due to arrive to them next Wednesday. Will hopefully receive a properly-functioning replacement soon thereafter... Agree that, if the phone didn't have this bizarre issue, it would be great--very close to what I want in a phone (versus the myriad options out there that don't offer what I want, and insist on absurd design choices I detest).
So, we'll see. Certainly frustrating to have an issue like this on a phone that costs more than plenty of computers...
(To be clear, I had the issue literally every time, from the beginning, regardless of what I had/hadn't set up, installed, sim card/no sim card, micro SD/no micro SD, etc.).
I have Xperia™1 III but the phone is really stable for me, no random reboot. I have only heating issue. Xperia™ XZ2 Premium hasn't heat like this phone. My phone is Hong Kong device
Most likely not what caused your issue...but...it is NOT a good idea to allow any backup to install all your previous apps from an "old" phone to a new one. I know it can be a major pain and very time consuming to install everything from scratch when setting up a new phone...however...when you allow a backup to flow freely onto a new phone you are allowing all the junk to come back also! It's up to you, but I always install everything from scratch and it may not be related but...I have owned many, many phones and NEVER had all the problems that so many have all across the board. Am I just lucky, or is it because I have so much experience with computers and know how to set things up properly? YMMV
jaseman said:
Most likely not what caused your issue...but...it is NOT a good idea to allow any backup to install all your previous apps from an "old" phone to a new one. I know it can be a major pain and very time consuming to install everything from scratch when setting up a new phone...however...when you allow a backup to flow freely onto a new phone you are allowing all the junk to come back also! It's up to you, but I always install everything from scratch and it may not be related but...I have owned many, many phones and NEVER had all the problems that so many have all across the board. Am I just lucky, or is it because I have so much experience with computers and know how to set things up properly? YMMV
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I think you have been lucky
Like you I have never had a problem and been in IT since the early 80's but this isn't something that's has been moved over. Sadly, the phone behaves the same wether out of the box or fully migrated. In the PC world I saw something similar with overheating and poorly cooled AMD processors in the 90's and am wondering if this is a heat related component batch issue?
Sony need to get a grip on this sharpish or they will be looking at refunds, which is never good.
The reboots are caused by the fingerprint reader. My new phone would bootloop while fast charging if my one and only configuration after a factory reset was setting a fingerprint.
DO NOT SEND IT IN FOR A WARRANTY REPAIR - - IT WILL GET WORSE
Get a refund.
First, Sony sent it to SBE with FedEx Ground, which currently takes about 2 weeks.
Second, SBE returned it bricked and voided my warranty. They said I flashed it but I had sent it in new and unmodified. I didn't even think they returned my own phone back because it had a UK/EU label and destroyed firmware. Sony Support would no longer help me because I was no longer a customer. SBE insisted I was a firmware flasher that deserved nothing. I ran EMMA and it showed my phone IMEI, locked bootloader, and stock firmware.
I finally found somebody on Sony Support who would give me an RMA. Maybe it was their mistake, but I wasted no time shipping it back. I'm doing a credit card charge reversal if I get any more crap from Sony/SBE.
I have spoken to Sony UK tech support and they have confirmed there is a reboot issue with some1iii's. Apparently, second line technical support have identified the issue (software) and there will be a revision released to cure this. When pressed, they couldn't give me a date for this and were a little vague. I was advised to return to my supplier for a refund.
Not good on a phone costing £1200 and surprised they haven't got their act together more quickly. They seem to be struggling getting phones shipped presently and my supplier has confirmed a 14 day wait if I want to re-order. I don't know if this is just poor advanced planning by Sony UK or if this is a Sony global problem trying to get hold of the components for manufacture.
Despite all the issues, this phone still ticks all the boxes for me so have decided to wait for the dust to settle!
Good to know there's some awareness now on Sony's part of this issue, and a plan yo resolve it via software (?). If the second unit I get has the same issue, I guess I'll wait a bit for that aoftware resolution--but deeply hoping I won't have the issue again.
I will say, I believe I tested not registering any fingerprints on at least one of the numerous factory resets I tried, and I believe the issue still occurred--had seen threads of similar issues stemming from the fingerprint reader on other manufacturer's phones, so tried to rule it out...
The original phone I got back from SBE wasn't bricked, it just wasn't in any way improved. Fortunately Sony didn't make any weird claims that I'd done anything wrong (I wouldn't know how to mess with "rooting" or whatever--no interest/need to). It was delivered to Sonyin San Diego by FedEx today--so hoping my replacement unit ships in the next day or two...
Mikehbw said:
Despite all the issues, this phone still ticks all the boxes for me so have decided to wait for the dust to settle!
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Agreed. With LG gone, I really want the Xperia 1 iii to pan out--only phone that has microSD, no notches/currves/radiused corners, a hogh-res screen, and a headphone jack. If I can't get one to work properly, I'll probably just buy another LG V50, second-hand.
I have as SM-G991U (256 GB S21 US version, stock everything but using Nova Launcher) that is randomly freezing/crashing then rebooting on me 1-2 times/day. Does android have any kind of crash log I could look at to try and figure out what's causing the problem? On the samsung forums, their support reps suggest running in Safe Mode, which I have, but it's not very useful because I can't reproduce the problem on demand and it usually happens 1-2/day, but sometimes less, so unless I just ran in safe mode all the time, that wouldn't tell me much. Plus, it would only tell me it's an issue caused by one of a hundred or so apps which, again, is not helpful.
So I'm hoping there is a crash log or something somewhere because I have no idea what triggers the crashes. The other night, it was sitting on a wireless charger, the screen wasn't on, then all the sudden it rebooted. It's not specific to any app or anything I'm doing. If there are no crash logs (which would be frustrating and disappointing), any other troubleshooting ideas are welcome!
Look for a memory leak. Typically a poorly written 3rd party apk.
Try clearing system cache.
Make sure auto restart isn't enabled...
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I have as SM-G991U (256 GB S21 US version, stock everything but using Nova Launcher) that is randomly freezing/crashing then rebooting on me 1-2 times/day. Does android have any kind of crash log I could look at to try and figure out what's causing the problem? On the samsung forums, their support reps suggest running in Safe Mode, which I have, but it's not very useful because I can't reproduce the problem on demand and it usually happens 1-2/day, but sometimes less, so unless I just ran in safe mode all the time, that wouldn't tell me much. Plus, it would only tell me it's an issue caused by one of a hundred or so apps which, again, is not helpful.
So I'm hoping there is a crash log or something somewhere because I have no idea what triggers the crashes. The other night, it was sitting on a wireless charger, the screen wasn't on, then all the sudden it rebooted. It's not specific to any app or anything I'm doing. If there are no crash logs (which would be frustrating and disappointing), any other troubleshooting ideas are welcome!
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Hi mate
For logs info check here and here
You can always flash firmware , using home_csc , to avoid factory reset the phone , if the problem is system related it will help
If is app related
Try booting in safe mode to see if problem goes away...
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Hi mate
For logs info check here and here
You can always flash firmware , using home_csc , to avoid factory reset the phone , if the problem is system related it will help
If is app related
Try booting in safe mode to see if problem goes away...
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Thanks! I'll definitely try these out. I tried safe mode, the trouble is it's not really great as a diagnostic because the phone will go from 4-24 hrs between resets during normal operation, and since a phone in safe mode isn't terribly useful, it's hard to keep it in safe mode for long enough to see if that fixed the issue, if that makes sense. And then, if it did fix the issue, it just narrows it down to 1 out of a hundred apps! But maybe I'm missing something. Is there additional information I can find if I run in safe mode that would help suss out the problem?
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Look for a memory leak. Typically a poorly written 3rd party apk.
Try clearing system cache.
Make sure auto restart isn't enabled...
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Thanks! I know how to clear cache but not how to check for memory leaks. Do you have a tool you'd recommend to do that? And I had never heard of auto restart before, so thanks for that. I confirmed that it is NOT enabled (that would have been a face palm moment!).
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Thanks! I'll definitely try these out. I tried safe mode, the trouble is it's not really great as a diagnostic because the phone will go from 4-24 hrs between resets during normal operation, and since a phone in safe mode isn't terribly useful, it's hard to keep it in safe mode for long enough to see if that fixed the issue, if that makes sense. And then, if it did fix the issue, it just narrows it down to 1 out of a hundred apps! But maybe I'm missing something. Is there additional information I can find if I run in safe mode that would help suss out the problem?
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Is not easy , you just need to be methodic
See if you can find anything useful in the logs first
Reflash firmware , use home-csc , see if it help
Have you notice if the phone fails under any specific circumstances?
If that does not help and if you can really relate the problem with any specific app you may try to freeze or uninstall suspicious app and let it run for a day , Package disabler app is a good option , it is easy to enable or disable app but is not free, you could try this one , is a debloater tool , it allow you to disable app... may be easy that having to uninstall / install by hand
I'm also having the same problem. Had the phone since June, it didn't start to occur until late August, which leads me to suspect it is an update related issue.
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I'm also having the same problem. Had the phone since June, it didn't start to occur until late August, which leads me to suspect it is an update related issue.
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I'm glad you posted today, I've been meaning to post again here because I tried troubleshooting and am still having issues. In fact, it crashed twice today when I was trying to send a text message.
I installed one of the log applications (can't remember which one at the moment) but it wasn't really helpful. They didn't seem to catch any information related to a crash even though they were logging data at least twice when it crashed.
Then I tried reflashing using home-csc using ODIN and that ended up soft-bricking my phone (and yes, I followed all the instructions and used home-csc) so I had to reflash everything and do a full factory reset. That seemed to help, reducing the crashes from once/day to once/2-3 days for a few weeks, but now it's back to ~once a day (sometimes more, sometimes less).
So if anyone has any other idea, I'm all ears. When I was reflashing and stuff, I noticed in the recovery mode (or whatever it's called) options that you can look at logs. Does anyone know if one of those logs would have crash-related data or any other ideas of what to try? This is incredibly frustrating, especially that it's persisting after a factory reset. Argh!
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I'm glad you posted today, I've been meaning to post again here because I tried troubleshooting and am still having issues. In fact, it crashed twice today when I was trying to send a text message.
I installed one of the log applications (can't remember which one at the moment) but it wasn't really helpful. They didn't seem to catch any information related to a crash even though they were logging data at least twice when it crashed.
Then I tried reflashing using home-csc using ODIN and that ended up soft-bricking my phone (and yes, I followed all the instructions and used home-csc) so I had to reflash everything and do a full factory reset. That seemed to help, reducing the crashes from once/day to once/2-3 days for a few weeks, but now it's back to ~once a day (sometimes more, sometimes less).
So if anyone has any other idea, I'm all ears. When I was reflashing and stuff, I noticed in the recovery mode (or whatever it's called) options that you can look at logs. Does anyone know if one of those logs would have crash-related data or any other ideas of what to try? This is incredibly frustrating, especially that it's persisting after a factory reset. Argh!
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So what I tried to do is roll back all the default google app updates. Ex: Android system webview, Google app itself, etc etc. I factory reset it without backing up any apps (but pictures and messages etc), It was working for a few days and then it happened again. Which further reinforces my thinking that my problem is software based.
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So what I tried to do is roll back all the default google app updates. Ex: Android system webview, Google app itself, etc etc. I factory reset it without backing up any apps (but pictures and messages etc), It was working for a few days and then it happened again. Which further reinforces my thinking that my problem is software based.
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So I'm curious why you think that means it's a software issue. If this isn't a widespread issue with the S21 and after we've both done a factory reset and still have the issue, that makes me think it could be a hardware issue. Of course, there could be some software incompatibility with an app that most people don't have installed or a bluetooth connection or something, which is why I really want to find a useful crash log (and find it rather absurb how hard it is to find a useful crash log on android, come on guys, it's a mature OS, some kind of crash log seems pretty basic!), because otherwise, it could be a ton of issues and I can't reproduce it. Ugh.
The reason is that the "few days" after the reset and restoring pictures, messages (but not apps) from backup, where there were no crashes at all (where previously it would happen at least 2 times per day).
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The reason is that the "few days" after the reset and restoring pictures, messages (but not apps) from backup, where there were no crashes at all (where previously it would happen at least 2 times per day).
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Got it, that makes sense. I'm on t-mobile and just got an update this morning. We'll see if that improves anything because my device restarted 4 times yesterday
I havent had a crash like this since i disabled chrome and other google stuff, and downgrading google apps lol.
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I havent had a crash like this since i disabled chrome and other google stuff, and downgrading google apps lol.
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How did you disable chrome and what other google stuff did you disable? (There's obviously quite a lot of google services that can't be disabled)
After the most recent monthly update, my phone has gone from rebooting multiple times/day to once every 2-3 days, which is more manageable but still super annoying. It is incredibly frustrating to me that there are no good tools to troubleshoot a crash (at least that I've ben able to find). Honestly, it's driven me to consider an iPhone for the first time in my life .
My trouble is back... I will be scheduling a fix with samsung soon so I can RMA it
Check the below link. This seems to be a hardware problem which got solved after Samsung replaced the motherboard.
Samsung Restart problem
So I bought this phone for my wife. Since I received the phone, after a day the phone started crashing whatever app she was on and then take you back to lock screen without having to go through a full restart process but it was definitely a restart as you would need to enter your pin again as opposed to fingerprints.
Since it was within 15 days of purchase I returned and reordered another one from Samsung, and to my surprise exact same issue. What are the odds of having two brand new phones having exact same issues.
This leads me to believe it must be a software issue. I just received this 2nd new phone last Friday.
Yeah, I think what I was experiencing was a hardware issue (it definitely went through the full restart process, not what is described in the previous post). And from the link posted by sandystays above, it looks pretty common. I contacted Samsung support and was not impressed at all. They walked me through a number of troubleshooting steps that weren't helpful then had me take my phone to UBreakIFix. I did, they ran a diagnostic and their tools couldn't find anything wrong so they said Samsung should replace it.
Contacted Samsung, told them I had taken it in. They said I needed to take it to a technician (again, right after telling them I just had). They then said, oh, you'll have to mail it to us and you'll get your phone back in 7-10 business days. Their suggestion for what to do for a phone in the meantime? Buy a prepaid phone then return it when I get my phone back (which a) is unethical and b) wouldn't work anyways since they're locked). Ridiculous. They also admitted that this is a very common problem, so I asked why they just won't send me a replacement device if it's so common to which they had no real answer, just "that's our policy".
Eventually, I contacted T-mobile (my carrier) and was very pleasantly surprised. After me telling them the issue and the steps I'd taken to troubleshoot it, they sent me a replacement phone (recertified, but still) that arrived in 2 days. WAAAYYYY better than Samsung. The entire process made me a bit jealous of my wife's iPhone. If she had had a similar issue, we could have taken it to an apple store and not had the whole "our policy is that you have no phone for 7-10 business days" nonsense from Samsung AND the backup and restore process is still way better on iPhones than on any android I've ever owned. How there is no easy and reliable backup/restore mechanism on android after so long is beyond me.
Bottome line: if you have a similar issue, it's very likely a hardware problem (my replacement phone has been fine for 3 days now). And avoid Samsung support if you can!
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Yeah, I think what I was experiencing was a hardware issue (it definitely went through the full restart process, not what is described in the previous post). And from the link posted by sandystays above, it looks pretty common. I contacted Samsung support and was not impressed at all. They walked me through a number of troubleshooting steps that weren't helpful then had me take my phone to UBreakIFix. I did, they ran a diagnostic and their tools couldn't find anything wrong so they said Samsung should replace it.
Contacted Samsung, told them I had taken it in. They said I needed to take it to a technician (again, right after telling them I just had). They then said, oh, you'll have to mail it to us and you'll get your phone back in 7-10 business days. Their suggestion for what to do for a phone in the meantime? Buy a prepaid phone then return it when I get my phone back (which a) is unethical and b) wouldn't work anyways since they're locked). Ridiculous. They also admitted that this is a very common problem, so I asked why they just won't send me a replacement device if it's so common to which they had no real answer, just "that's our policy".
Eventually, I contacted T-mobile (my carrier) and was very pleasantly surprised. After me telling them the issue and the steps I'd taken to troubleshoot it, they sent me a replacement phone (recertified, but still) that arrived in 2 days. WAAAYYYY better than Samsung. The entire process made me a bit jealous of my wife's iPhone. If she had had a similar issue, we could have taken it to an apple store and not had the whole "our policy is that you have no phone for 7-10 business days" nonsense from Samsung AND the backup and restore process is still way better on iPhones than on any android I've ever owned. How there is no easy and reliable backup/restore mechanism on android after so long is beyond me.
Bottome line: if you have a similar issue, it's very likely a hardware problem (my replacement phone has been fine for 3 days now). And avoid Samsung support if you can!
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On the second phone I still have the 2wk window to return. I am contemplating if I should just return altogether. I had bought an s21 Ultra as well and that seem to be working OK.
Two s21+ phones with same issue, what are the odds of hardware problem? But what if it is the entire batch that is bad.
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On the second phone I still have the 2wk window to return. I am contemplating if I should just return altogether. I had bought an s21 Ultra as well and that seem to be working OK.
Two s21+ phones with same issue, what are the odds of hardware problem? But what if it is the entire batch that is bad.
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Your issue sounds different to me. Mine definitely fully rebooted, I have no idea what is going on with yours, it sounds like your crashes are locking the phone or something, that could definitely be software. Good luck!