The Goal
To bring a new standard to the android platform, destroy, improve, rebuild. also, to put aside our egos and opinions and to work together as a community. if you dont like it you can always not use it!
>The journey, I my self will say if you just want the end product please leave this isnt the place. this is here to teach not to give.
Planned features
>Implement WebOS, FFOS or B2G in the the android platform. this is not another rom. it's a new firmware.
>Better multitasking, or true multitasking
>better handling of how the framework corresponding with the system. e.g. caching commonly used thing's for better load time over a crappy connection.
> a patch method so this can be merged with other UI's.
!Want to help?!?!
granted you may doubt yourself, dont just dont. anyone is free to contribute suggest etc. to make things easy here's a template. if you suggest something and it is not in this type of format, sorry it'll be ignored.
:UI
:System
:Hardware/software (E.g Lefty Mode. swapping the buttons layout to fit those who are left handed)
Ideas so far
MIUI theme chooser, say what you will it's a large customization option.
A new UI concept. if you have ideas just copy paste the format and add what you think is good/
Developers working on this
I will update this I ask that any dev interested message me via xda's pm system. title it [community]
SinisterTensai
Flex360
Mazda
Tribulattifather
Cloaker
jamieg71
NineInchNails
PuRE IVIonztah
Rydah805
Ragster (UI/Launcher guy)
tgrgrd00
EVOuser94
Tilde88
edlokien
Dogie52
this OP is subject to change, as more information is collected
thread gathered information
Web OS features, such as?
Social intragration into the android platform, e.g. Facebook, twitter G+ the mobile websites of these perform better than the apps, if we string some apis together for pictures sharing/posting and just load a webpage event in the "Social app" e.g. web.event.load="m.facebook.com" and share.event.activity.camera.post"userdefined_image _id"
suits vs folders string app categories together such as phone, mms, IM. tools calc, gps maps so on so forth. most likely will be a default.xml listing to categorize these into the proper groups. gapps wont be included cause the rom will be AOSP so im thinking calling external apks in a nice defined layout with gesture controls to switch
Focal points
Statusbar, I think It should do more. it's accessed from most apps and important things should go there, not just notifications. a simple mms grid layout with input for mobile number and text input also a list of unread messages. this could also push over to im services.
launcher: the dockbar should be optional imo, im thinking just have the all apps list in a corner with along press the dock pops out, also scroll able. so not just 5 apps sit there (some people dont like having apps on screen.
widgets: yea they're a thing to consider. as for the sense on other launchers, itd be easier to make widgets that look like it than integrate the actual ones
configuration. I think a major lacking point of android is user mapping for key's, why dont we have a leftie option? we all arent right handed. ill keep things in the thread as is so others can express there thoughts and add to this op will be updated later tonight.
OP/OC
So I see that our device has a huge collection of developers such as myself and many others. so I got to thinking (well the ambien did) and I thought (or it) that if all of us joined together and made a community driven rom (im talking better than the synergy collab here people) not just a rom but a little bit of the spirit that drives us enthusiast, noobs kangers scriptkids drunks stoners hell even moderators, any one who loves the ability of a rooted device. if we all came together put aside our differences and alliances just to bring something new, something innovative im not talking about some dinky apk that changes a few features on sense no im talking about something brand spanking new something that will make other device owners envy our device we can do it if we come together and work as a whole for the greater good, or should I say rom?
well who's with me?
noobs, themers users developer lurkers etc come forward step up lets see what ya got! call me a dreamer call me w/e I could care less. this could be the next big thing or the next nothing, it is up to you. ask not what your developer can do for you, but what you can do for your device
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Mazda said:
Even though I don't own this device........I'm down!
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aww shiat mazdas in, any one else???!!?!?!?!
Count in flex360
Reporting for duty
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Why not. Take a look at my Roms and see what you can use from me ^>^
My Roms Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808332
I know little to nothing about programming, but nowhere near computer illiterate either. If I am needed, I'm up for it. Lol
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I'm in love the idea, reminds me of this
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Tribulattifather said:
Why not. Take a look at my Roms and see what you can use from me ^>^
My Roms Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808332
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your location say's it all, whats a box? I do not know of what you speak?
jamieg71 said:
I'm in love the idea, reminds me of this
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oh god not another flesh pipe story &^$!*^!&# HAHAHA!
Sinistertensai said:
So I see that our device has a huge collection of developers such as myself and many others. so I got to thinking (well the ambien did) and I thought (or it) that if all of us joined together and made a community driven rom (im talking better than the synergy collab here people) not just a rom but a little bit of the spirit that drives us enthusiast, noobs kangers scriptkids drunks stoners hell even moderators, any one who loves the ability of a rooted device. if we all came together put aside our differences and alliances just to bring something new, something innovative im not talking about some dinky apk that changes a few features on sense no im talking about something brand spanking new something that will make other device owners envy our device we can do it if we come together and work as a whole for the greater good, or should I say rom?
well who's with me?
noobs, themers users developer lurkers etc come forward step up lets see what ya got! call me a dreamer call me w/e I could care less. this could be the next big thing or the next nothing, it is up to you. ask not what your developer can do for you, but what you can do for your device
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Mazda said:
Even though I don't own this device........I'm down!
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Are you down even if he invites kangers?
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hahhhahaha. too funny.
What kind of Rom are you thinking about.. A port or an aosp/cap build?
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Are you down even if he invites kangers?
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dont we all kang from google > linux > unix ????? what can we really claim as our own? we don't reinvent the wheel we just modify it
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hahhhahaha. too funny.
What kind of Rom are you thinking about.. A port or an aosp/cap build?
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many actually all community driven each fellow device owner helping another out all for the greater rom so to speak.
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many actually all community driven each fellow device owner helping another out all for the greater rom so to speak.
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I see. Well, I suppose, since I've already posted something in evo 3d about a project i'm running, here's a link to it and let me know if maybe we post it on the first post. Maybe we can make a list of the projects going on..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=35814451&postcount=3064
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dont we all kang from google > linux > unix ????? what can we really claim as our own? we don't reinvent the wheel we just modify it
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That's what I thought but Mazda said that was wrong
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Sounds good. think theres some logistics to figure out like how to go about it and all but that can be figured out.
Like Mazda I don't own this device but I'm down
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Are you down even if he invites kangers?
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Not sure what you mean by that BUT I will say that I'm not going to break any rules or get away from doing things the right way.....even if is not the popular thing to do at the time!
BUT this ain't about me or you or kangers or whatever, this is about something bigger then that!
Let's get this party started!!!!!!!!
thicklizard said:
That's what I thought but Mazda said that was wrong
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put aside the differences and focus on collaborating to get more out of our device(s) the one thing that holds back developers is the ego and politics. so lets do away with that, thanks
thicklizard said:
That's what I thought but Mazda said that was wrong
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Replace "ME" with "US"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Related
Wondering if someone want's to throw up a complete listing of kernels, roms, etc. like all the other Galaxy S variant forums have.
wait.
damn.
nvm.
I really, really miss my Nexus, but at least I have service now.
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Wondering if someone want's to throw up a complete listing of kernels, roms, etc. like all the other Galaxy S variant forums have.
wait.
damn.
nvm.
I really, really miss my Nexus, but at least I have service now.
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im not the flaming type....but this is really unnecessary.
wasupwithuman said:
im not the flaming type....but this is really unnecessary.
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Isn't that like saying "I'm not the racist type, but...."
Of course it's unnecessary. But there's nothing else to do at the moment on here. It's a little frustrating to see the work in the other variant forums, and to hear crickets and hopes in here.
I KNOW incredible people are hard at work right this minute to fix it, but....
It's looking like we will be last to see Voodoo, last to see Froyo, and last to see CM.
I'm not the whining type, but.....
I'm growing restless. lol.
If you're (the general you, not calling anyone out) interested in development, I suggest joining the IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode. This is where you'll get the most up to date information. (For example, we were testing CWM recovery with Koush long before the first post showed up here).
If you'd like a small project to get you in the swing of things, and you're slightly familiar with linux and can get a VM up and running, you could always download the source from Samsung and learn how to compile your own kernel. I've seen a few people in the channel go from knowing pretty much nothing to getting their kernels compiled. Even if you can't get a linux VM up and running, maybe someone in the channel could help you with that.
Obviously thanks to Samsung, the kernel won't boot, but going through the process will help broaden your knowledge and give you some insight into Android and Linux in general. There's plenty to learn, and there's a wide range of people there with varying levels of expertise.
There are a number of us who have been at this since day 1, and since we "know" each other a little better, we often communicate directly between ourselves. If you pop in the IRC channel and don't see anything, don't take that to mean that no work is being done.
There are some major obstacles to be overcome here, and Samsung didn't do us any favors. We're working a number of things right now, getting the kernel source fixed, AOSP, voodoo, etc.. It will take time, but we're getting there.
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Isn't that like saying "I'm not the racist type, but...."
Of course it's unnecessary. But there's nothing else to do at the moment on here. It's a little frustrating to see the work in the other variant forums, and to hear crickets and hopes in here.
I KNOW incredible people are hard at work right this minute to fix it, but....
It's looking like we will be last to see Voodoo, last to see Froyo, and last to see CM.
I'm not the whining type, but.....
I'm growing restless. lol.
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if you notice i did not flame you... I could have, but i respect you as a xda member... I just said this was unnecessary, because it is. Like namebrandon said, join the irc channel, but starting a topic like that, then just saying some nonsense, really doesnt need to be done... Your a senior member, we need to be a good influence for the new people. Like i said, i've seen you help out and i respect that; but lets try to keep the Android Development to Android Development. If it's something like this atleast file it in general.
namebrandon said:
If you're (the general you, not calling anyone out) interested in development, I suggest joining the IRC channel #samsung-fascinate on freenode. This is where you'll get the most up to date information. (For example, we were testing CWM recovery with Koush long before the first post showed up here).
If you'd like a small project to get you in the swing of things, and you're slightly familiar with linux and can get a VM up and running, you could always download the source from Samsung and learn how to compile your own kernel. I've seen a few people in the channel go from knowing pretty much nothing to getting their kernels compiled. Even if you can't get a linux VM up and running, maybe someone in the channel could help you with that.
Obviously thanks to Samsung, the kernel won't boot, but going through the process will help broaden your knowledge and give you some insight into Android and Linux in general. There's plenty to learn, and there's a wide range of people there with varying levels of expertise.
There are a number of us who have been at this since day 1, and since we "know" each other a little better, we often communicate directly between ourselves. If you pop in the IRC channel and don't see anything, don't take that to mean that no work is being done.
There are some major obstacles to be overcome here, and Samsung didn't do us any favors. We're working a number of things right now, getting the kernel source fixed, AOSP, voodoo, etc.. It will take time, but we're getting there.
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I'm one of those people... First kernel i've ever compiled.
and/or you could harass samsung for the kernel signing keys, no coding ability required.
Jesus people. I'll post a ROM if it'll stop all these nonsense threads.
Voodoo kernel is the works also. Coding helps development, not complaining and being sarcastic.
jt1134 said:
Jesus people. I'll post a ROM if it'll stop all these nonsense threads.
Voodoo kernel is the works also. Coding helps development, not complaining and being sarcastic.
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really?
you have the signing key for the kernel?
signing key? don't need no stinking signing key. bootloader'll boot any (working) kernel I've tried
HUMAN!!!! YEAH!!! U R EVERYWHERE I LOVE IT!!!
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All fair enough. I know the work is being done, and my lack of dev skills makes it unfair for me to complain. My due apologies for the thread, I think I'm just going through flash withdrawals.
I'll make up for it in feedback, assisting, and donation when we get rolling.
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signing key? don't need no stinking signing key. bootloader'll boot any (working) kernel I've tried
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my bad.
I was misinformed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=796171
ksizzle9 said:
HUMAN!!!! YEAH!!! U R EVERYWHERE I LOVE IT!!!
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it's wasup_with_u_man....DAMNIT!!!
Yes jt1134, but as your post says, no customer kernel.
Sent from your mom's house via my fascinate.
Not to jack this thread but,....
I LIKE COOKIES!!!
(Will probably make my way onto IRC at some point)
While I suck at Java I debug like kirwoodd's mother in a flea bath.
Daswolven said:
All fair enough. I know the work is being done, and my lack of dev skills makes it unfair for me to complain. My due apologies for the thread, I think I'm just going through flash withdrawals.
I'll make up for it in feedback, assisting, and donation when we get rolling.
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I know what you mean about flashing withdrawls...my Droid 1 i would seriously flash on a weekly base...
Terror_1 said:
Not to jack this thread but,....
I LIKE COOKIES!!!
(Will probably make my way onto IRC at some point)
While I suck at Java I debug like kirwoodd's mother in a flea bath.
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See, now THATS funny.
wasupwithuman said:
I know what you mean about flashing withdrawls...my Droid 1 i would seriously flash on a weekly base...
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Lol, I had it so bad on my N1 I would test every fourth nightly CM release with four different kernels for performance and battery. I think I had about 200 advanced quadrant screenshots to delete.
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The poll is multiple choice
This thread was prompted by a post that I read in another thread. It seems as if some members feel that development hasn't really taken off and another member suggested that it would be cool if some of the devs that are currently working on things (in their own time) would at least check in and let the community know that they still have some love
Please only vote if you're currently working on something and in your post, please let us know what you're currently working on and the status of your project (no ETA's).. for example:
A kick ass dev said:
Working on porting MIUI.
Status: my wife smashed my laptop cuz I didnt take out the trash so progress is on hold
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Members, please do not ask for ETA's... Devs despise this... Remember, the devs that are working on projects do so for the love of the hobby and on their spare time. Make sure you're hitting that thanks button. sometimes its the only 'payment' that they really want.
Please keep this civil
Thanks for checking in
methinks your going to get a lot of trolls clicking vote
shabbypenguin said:
methinks your going to get a lot of trolls clicking vote
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well I have the best of intentions..
Good to see Rob is working on a ROM and we got another dev working on CM7..
Was hoping this would be a sticky and the devs working on their own projects would at least post w/ what they're working on (no ETA's though LOL)
still cool that we have some participation .
and if trolls screw this up, they can go outside and play a friendly game of hide and screw themselves
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and if trolls screw this up, they can go outside and play a friendly game of hide and screw themselves
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LOL
I'm working on feature set expansion providing I can get some coders behind it. I intend to do all the projects that I had planned for the Evo that fell through. Enhanced dock, tablet, carpc and a couple others are on the list but we will see.
im hoping with cm7 ported i can bug dreamsforgotten to show me how to make team brissen's mod, it has the sgs toggles in it and its all aosp
This is a great thread. It helps alot knowing that things are in the works. Maybe the natives won't be so restless.
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thanks for posting this and devs thanks for your efforts on making a great phone better.
bricky23 said:
This is a great thread. It helps alot knowing that things are in the works. Maybe the natives won't be so restless.
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This was the reason why I created this thread.. to give those that believe all hope is lost, a peek behind the scenes so they realize that there IS still some love for this Mo-Pho'kin device hahaha
Thanks for this thread, it is just what we needed.
Are there any des working on this phone other than the few who are shaving over the 2-3 roms we have here in the development section?
My last phone was a nexus s (very used to variety and activity. And aokp) and these forums are disturbingly quiet, as are all the other ones i can find. Makes me wonder if i should find a trade on an international version, but this one looks so much better!
Thoughts? am i simply missing something?
Just relax, it will pick up, like always.
Still a new device
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Give it time. The phone was just released.
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The note is a great platform in a great series of devices. Devs will not let it go untouched.
Would you rather have some cook bustout a rom he just copy pasted together from some source code he got from a Google search and it be filled with bugs and FCs or have a high quality rom that devs with talent have been working day and night in their spare time (for free) to build?
Long story short: get the note and breath lol
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The Nexus S is a developer device no? Don't compare apples to oranges..
You should have bought a Google Nexus if you wanted the same kind of dev support a Nexus developer device brings.
kevinjgray88 said:
The note is a great platform in a great series of devices. Devs will not let it go untouched.
Would you rather have some cook bustout a rom he just copy pasted together from some source code he got from a Google search and it be filled with bugs and FCs or have a high quality rom that devs with talent have been working day and night in their spare time (for free) to build?
Long story short: get the note and breath lol
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i was more looking at the lack of activity on forums even talking about developing for it, not so much the lack of roms.
MrDSL said:
The Nexus S is a developer device no? Don't compare apples to oranges..
You should have bought a Google Nexus if you wanted the same kind of dev support a Nexus developer device brings.
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oh i'm not, i'm just saying its a big change.
this is going to sound completely like entitled bs, but i didn't buy the note, samsung (or one of their partners) sent me one.
derrick_ said:
this is going to sound completely like entitled bs, but i didn't buy the note, samsung (or one of their partners) sent me one.
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Then smash it up, put it back in the box marked return to sender with a little note inside that says "ICS or GTFO"
MrDSL said:
The Nexus S is a developer device no? Don't compare apples to oranges..
You should have bought a Google Nexus if you wanted the same kind of dev support a Nexus developer device brings.
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Lets be honest...
If you want a device w/ an overactive dev community... HD2... that forum seems to STILL be rocking.
The Evo3d also has a pretty active community.
NO samusung device starts off w/ a super exciting community. They build slowly it seems. But i imagine it will pick up.
I never got it why people are so obsessed with flashing roms every 12 hours...
Underground_XI said:
I never got it why people are so obsessed with flashing roms every 12 hours...
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Because every 6 hours would be a tad much
babyfacedkayos said:
Lets be honest...
If you want a device w/ an overactive dev community... HD2... that forum seems to STILL be rocking.
The Evo3d also has a pretty active community.
NO samusung device starts off w/ a super exciting community. They build slowly it seems. But i imagine it will pick up.
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thanks for the info. Is this because of Touchwiz or what? I mean i know of the driver issues with ics and sammy, ofc.
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I never got it why people are so obsessed with flashing roms every 12 hours...
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I don't do such things. On my nexus i would try out roms once in a while, but i typically find a solid feature-rich Rom and stick with it.
zaptor99 said:
Because every 6 hours would be a tad much
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ok...you win best
"zip" of the day right there!
zaptor99 said:
Because every 6 hours would be a tad much
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Not on my HD2 it wasn't lol, and with WP7 ROMs and Android ROMs to choose from, sometimes every 3 hours
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thanks for the info. Is this because of Touchwiz or what? I mean i know of the driver issues with ics and sammy, ofc.
I don't do such things. On my nexus i would try out roms once in a while, but i typically find a solid feature-rich Rom and stick with it.
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Agreed.......
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Not on my HD2 it wasn't lol, and with WP7 ROMs and Android ROMs to choose from, sometimes every 3 hours
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I'm with you, i have no time limit. There are times where I went months on a rom, but other times that I was flashing numerous roms just to see how they differed. I have so many android devices in my house that there's always something to play with. We are up to 3 nook colors, so I'm able to flash a phire to one, kanged to one, and good ol CM to one just to play with them side by side. Flashing roms is just fun to some and approached with a "why the hell not?" attitude rather then "ok i think im sure i want this one, i've ready all 8,532 comments on the thread...i think im ready", which is of course how i started this addiction.
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I'm with you, i have no time limit. There are times where I went months on a rom, but other times that I was flashing numerous roms just to see how they differed. I have so many android devices in my house that there's always something to play with. We are up to 3 nook colors, so I'm able to flash a phire to one, kanged to one, and good ol CM to one just to play with them side by side. Flashing roms is just fun to some and approached with a "why the hell not?" attitude rather then "ok i think im sure i want this one, i've ready all 8,532 comments on the thread...i think im ready", which is of course how i started this addiction.
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Haha +1 10000%
Chief Geek said:
I'm with you, i have no time limit. There are times where I went months on a rom, but other times that I was flashing numerous roms just to see how they differed. I have so many android devices in my house that there's always something to play with. We are up to 3 nook colors, so I'm able to flash a phire to one, kanged to one, and good ol CM to one just to play with them side by side. Flashing roms is just fun to some and approached with a "why the hell not?" attitude rather then "ok i think im sure i want this one, i've ready all 8,532 comments on the thread...i think im ready", which is of course how i started this addiction.
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exacty, lol
also I noticed that the developers here are working much harder..1 its a new device...there's not much to go on when there limited to options.....once they establish the tools they need for more efficient roms and kernels will begin.....plus I noticed a lot of newer people here that this is there first android device......developers work very hard for there non profit work...countless hours of work to what?....get a thanks if that maybe?.....people need to donate more to the developers for there time in giving us the themes and roms and kernels we need to make our device fast and stable.....I noticed and spoke with a few and mentioned not many of them are even getting donations......don't you think that would push or motivate someone to help the community?....if I wasn't getting anyrhing for 100 + hours...me personally would keep my findings to my self if I'm not appreciated...they don't have to share there knowledge ! they do it because there nice ...
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another thing..where do you think they get the knowledge to do all of this?...from research....what's stopping half of you to learn how to do anything...that's where they started am I right?...I know theming and know how to build roms...but I learned from studying my ass off.....no one taught me anything.....so if your worried about development consider the aspect in there shoes....and if your not happy switch devices or learn on how to do the basics and go from there....you can learn from research its not really that hard...just takes pure dedication and a lot of time to learn
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also I noticed that the developers here are working much harder..1 its a new device...there's not much to go on when there limited to options.....once they establish the tools they need for more efficient roms and kernels will begin.....plus I noticed a lot of newer people here that this is there first android device......developers work very hard for there non profit work...countless hours of work to what?....get a thanks if that maybe?.....people need to donate more to the developers for there time in giving us the themes and roms and kernels we need to make our device fast and stable.....I noticed and spoke with a few and mentioned not many of them are even getting donations......don't you think that would push or motivate someone to help the community?....if I wasn't getting anyrhing for 100 + hours...me personally would keep my findings to my self if I'm not appreciated...they don't have to share there knowledge ! they do it because there nice ...
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I am definitely up for throwing a c-note
to a developer who has a good game plan and shows a roadmap of what they want to accomplish.
wish777 said:
another thing..where do you think they get the knowledge to do all of this?...from research....what's stopping half of you to learn how to do anything...that's where they started am I right?...I know theming and know how to build roms...but I learned from studying my ass off.....no one taught me anything.....so if your worried about development consider the aspect in there shoes....and if your not happy switch devices or learn on how to do the basics and go from there....you can learn from research its not really that hard...just takes pure dedication and a lot of time to learn
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I'm actually doing so...and I'm knee deep in research to determine steps I need to take and how to troubleshoot, etc.
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
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So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
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Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
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A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)
I'm confused why this Rom was closed my understanding is that the tools are custom written for this Rom and don't understand how these are similar to any Rom on the rezound. Was it just that credit wasnt given? I'm sad to see this happen as newtoroot and hawknest roms were some of the best for the rezound. I hope those threads get reopened because they greatly improved this phone.
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I am too as Team Venom hasnt had an update in months and Newt has had CD ST in every release....
No disrespect to the other devs, but Newt WAS the first and ONLY one to figure out the RIL and Sense 4 for this device. If it wasn't for Newt, the others wouldn't have Sense 4. But I'm just saying what I've read here and there throughout the forums over time. I have not flashed his latest release, so I do not know what this CD Tools Suite thing is.
I just think this whole thing is ridiculous. one little tweak app without permission and they all go crazy. oh well. I never liked viper anyways. their 'dev' that promotes it in this section was always starting something. this is my opinion, remove if you want.
From the TeamVenom thread, the investigation is about whether CoreDroid tools is a kang, not Newt's ROM itself. But since the ROM uses the Coredroid tools, it is impacted.
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From the TeamVenom thread, the investigation is about whether CoreDroid tools is a kang, not Newt's ROM itself. But since the ROM uses the Coredroid tools, it is impacted.
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Whatever happened to Android being open source? or maybe I'm missing something here?
problem is you got some whinny developers who havent released anything in months, who like to stir up ****. Sucks that Admins here play along with it. I am trying to find the correlation between venoms tweaks and CD, there is some similarities, but nothing that any other tweak program has not done. Even the coding is different. Just a BS power play, and all it does is hurt this site as devs pull their stuff over it...
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problem is you got some whinny developers who havent released anything in months, who like to stir up ****. Sucks that Admins here play along with it. I am trying to find the correlation between venoms tweaks and CD, there is some similarities, but nothing that any other tweak program has not done. Even the coding is different. Just a BS power play, and all it does is hurt this site as devs pull their stuff over it...
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Agreed, open source means open source. People don't kang because of respect, but it's not a friggin law.
It's known in coding to piggy back existing code and not re invent the wheel every time.. that's the right thing to do. What's he supposed to do? Code a tweaks app that does the same things as core droid and expect the code to look different?
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No offense, and I love how the devs take their time to treat us with all this candy, but Venom has nothing on Newt's work, who has made I think for releases in the time Venom has been dormant. Also, what is this, Apple? OPEN SOURCE!! Just coz they're similar does not mean an idea was ripped off. It's like Samsung suing HTC for having capacitive buttons!!!
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]No offense, and I love how the devs take their time to treat us with all this candy, but Venom has nothing on Newt's work, who has made I think four releases in the time Venom has been dormant. Also, what is this, Apple? OPEN SOURCE!! Just coz they're similar does not mean an idea was ripped off. It's like Samsung suing HTC for having capacitive buttons!!!
Newt can still build his rom and use the apps that wants, and he's going to. It just want be posted here. And he wasn't the only one affected, the other roms running suite tools were too. However hawknest had the new revised code in his rom because he used the new app, and supposedly that was written to do away with the problematic code. I'm sure there's some similar situations other developers are facing. It's tough for all involved that's for sure.
Well I was never a flashaholic but thanks to Newt and Snuzzo I am completely happy with my Rezound. I can sit back patiently and wait for JB.
But sorry to hear of this development. Can't say I understand the implications.
While I respect the hard work all the devs put into delivering us with great options to keep our phone awesome, there is some seriously faulty logic at play here. Android is meant to be open source. If you dev for Android you should first accept that fundamental rule of the community. We get better by working together. Hissy fits and fingerpointing only hurts ALL development and innovation. Nearly all code is built on something already out there, even if just an idea on how to improve something. And the most honest truth...anyone developing a Sense ROM has in essence "kanged" HTC's work. So the moral to the story is grow up; and remember folks, sharing is caring.
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Xda exists purely because devs are able to many the work of HTC,Motorola, Samsung, Google etc. To pick and choose who gets to move forward here is a joke at best.
You want to lock down intellectual property then file for patents and protect your property..
Otherwise don't post it on a forum that exists purely because of other companies software. I don't see htc, Samsung, Motorola asking for threads to be closed.
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I have used Newts roms in the past and have found that he is a quality developer. With all due respect, I am sorely disappointed in the actions of the mods in their action today. I will follow Newt over at "the other forum".
Jackie
At least those whiny little b*stards gave me a reason to gtfo of xda for awhile. I love most of the people here and all the info but it's stuff like this that ruins it.
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Thread Closed, it was removed not because Newt had done anything, but because the team the team that made the thing he uses was taken from Team Venom.