iconia w700 vs nexus 10 - Nexus 10 General

--Hello,
I'm after one of this tablets, the iconia w700 with an intel i3 offers much better performance at the cost of weight and size. The thing that keep me from the nexus 10 is the browsing experience, I want the full laptop browsing experience without comprimise, can the nexus 10 offer that? I was frustated with the ipad that I had that whenever I opened tabs on my browser and the device needed memory it destroyed the tab from memory, that was very annoying as I tend to open tab to read them after, does the nexus 10 do this also?
Many thanks.

If you want a full browser experience that also includes extensions/plugins, you may have a better time with a x86 tablet.
With Chrome (the stock browser), tabs do need reloaded when you go back to them. Not sure how AOSP or other browsers handle this.

espionage724 said:
If you want a full browser experience that also includes extensions/plugins, you may have a better time with a x86 tablet.
With Chrome (the stock browser), tabs do need reloaded when you go back to them. Not sure how AOSP or other browsers handle this.
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Damn, that was what I feared, what about an atom x86 windows 8 tablet is it up to stuff for web browsing or are they as slow as netbooks.

Atom has definitely improved, but it's still no i7. I used a Vivo book Smart and it was really smooth. Try one out at a store.
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eltidi said:
--Hello,
I'm after one of this tablets, the iconia w700 with an intel i3 offers much better performance at the cost of weight and size. The thing that keep me from the nexus 10 is the browsing experience, I want the full laptop browsing experience without comprimise, can the nexus 10 offer that? I was frustated with the ipad that I had that whenever I opened tabs on my browser and the device needed memory it destroyed the tab from memory, that was very annoying as I tend to open tab to read them after, does the nexus 10 do this also?
Many thanks.
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Your post sounds like I wrote it, I realized how important a rich browsing experience is to me so I started to look at windows tablets also. The Vivotab Smart has an excellent internet experience but I only tried internet explorer, however I must warn you the volume sucks. I have now purchased the HP Envy X2 from Staples for 499.00 + tax and will get the next Nexus 10 when it's released. Hopefully the next one won't have all issues. Oh, I was finally able to see the W700 in person and its just does not make a good tablet unless you will mostly have it on a stand, it's heavy and has very sharp edges. As long as you're not a big gamer the atoms are great for general use.
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Just to set some people straight that don't realize what they are getting here.

I keep hearing that this is not a bargain like the $199 Nexus 7 or $309 Nexus 4 but it really is.
First, you are getting the highest resolution mobile screen EVER. Second, the dual core A15 is the first of its kind if you don't include the chromebook and will not be used in most mobile devices until mid 2013 at least. Third, they managed to make it only 8.9mm thin, something that Apple couldn't do for the new ipad's. Four, it is one of the only 3 devices running Android 4.2. All that for $399.
It is a steal and in some ways even more of a bargain than the other two.
Ignore this post if you are aware, this is for the people that can't see why this is any different than all the other 10 inch Android tablets.
Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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sabre31 said:
Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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I have both devices. They are a good combination. But every app on Nexus 10 looks better.
For some reason I find myself on my dad's iPad 4 rather than my Nexus 10. Apple is def doing something right.
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I have the n7 and the n 10 ipad2 and just sold my galaxy tab 7.7.
Not all apps look better on the N 10. For example the Engadget app does not scale, yet.
Out of all the tablets i have owned the n7 is the best. However I am getting the note 2 on Monday and I suspect it will be my go to device, then the n 10, and finally my laptop.
Another couple of years and they will have finally have a tablet that can be used for work and play, not there yet.
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sabre31 said:
Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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The point is that the Nexus 10 does web browsing, the main use of a tablet for most, bigger and sharper and has the horse power to push it extremely smoothly.
No one says I have a cell phone, what is the point of a 55 inch TV, my apps look the same on it. Why would anyone say that here?
10 inch is the sweet spot like Steve Jobs said in my opinion. Laptop is too clunky and the Nexus 7 and Note are too small. That is my opinion.
To me, an android phone is the best (love my S3 to death). But for a tablet, iOS is the best. I decided to return my nexus 10 since Im not patient enough. I got frustrated with apps on the nexus 10. Apps do not look good and run well on the nexus for now (this will be fixed, of course). But apps for ipad are also much better. ALso never think more pixels are better. WHat matters is its contrast and color accuracy. More pixels only drain the battery.
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sabre31 said:
Sounds good but if no optimized apps for tablets I will wait on the fence still and see what happens if apps look the same on n10 as they do on my note 2 then what's the point.
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actually apps will look different on the nexus. specificly, they look worse since they haven't been optimized for high resolution screen .. yet
These arguments are pretty pointless. The notion that there must be a one great almighty device that trumps all seems silly to me. They're both great, just buy which one fits your needs. Its a tablet you use to watch YouTube, its not a big deal.
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There is no denying that the iPad 4 is the best all-around tablet out there - build quality, performance, smoothness, tablications, battery life, everything is cool. I'm buying the Nexus 10 however because:
- better bang for the buck, the $100 it's cheaper can be use for the surely coming keyboard dock
- 16:10 - if you're not watching video content why even go for 10", the AR is a nice compromise between 16:9 and 4:3
- Adobe Flash - be honest, you'll miss live streaming and all the flash-based content, and it's not going away anytime soon, N10 runs it well
- extras: higher res screen, NFC, USB-OTG possibilities (media play without root), front-facing quality speakers, lighter weight
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- 16:10 - if you're not watching video content why even go for 10", the AR is a nice compromise between 16:9 and 4:3
- Adobe Flash - be honest, you'll miss live streaming and all the flash-based content, and it's not going away anytime soon, N10 runs it well
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I don't agree with these two points. I bought a 10 inch tablet mainly for Web browsing. My note 2's size is just fine for videos but not for heavy web browsing.
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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CreepyDroid said:
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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Flash is a dying/dead platform on Android, so no big loss there IMHO. And the sooner it's gone completely, the better it is - Flash had its place but today it's just a bloated and very dangerous piece of crap software.
Of course you would make a thread like this lol. The moderators must be getting tired of closing these things...
Who gives a flying frack what the app "looks" like!! Does it do what it is supposed to do? Does it do it fast? Do movies look better than just about anything else out there? Is the sound great compared to most tablets? Is the resolution higher than ANY tablet out there?
Personally I am about getting **** done with a tablet, you can have your pretty apps, because I already got my **** done, and ran 17 more apps while you are "oooh'ing and ahh'ing" over how pretty your apps are...
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are purely my own, don't expect you to or even care if you agree, move along :good:
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I don't agree with these two points. I bought a 10 inch tablet mainly for Web browsing. My note 2's size is just fine for videos but not for heavy web browsing.
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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you don't have to agree. personal opinions are just that. personal opinions. sideloading or not, i'm not quite sure of the difference. apps are apps. we all use them. so whether or not you have to install an app to get something to work the way we want it doesn't really take anything away from the devices we choose. some cars have ugly rims on them when we buy them from the dealer. we buy and put custom wheels on them. your "point" is moot at this point. but an ipad or buy a nexus 10. who cares.
Nexus 10 is so big it doesn't matter how thick it is within reason. Actually, I would've preferred they gave it a bigger battery for longer life unplugged.
Valynor said:
Flash is a dying/dead platform on Android, so no big loss there IMHO. And the sooner it's gone completely, the better it is - Flash had its place but today it's just a bloated and very dangerous piece of crap software.
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Yes Nexus10 is awesome, but I'm a little bit desapointed by Android 4.2 regarding "no flash player" I know the reasons but currently I cannot benefit from web TVs I planned to watch with my new tablet (Orange TV, Canal+, Pluzz...).
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CreepyDroid said:
I don't agree with these two points. I bought a 10 inch tablet mainly for Web browsing. My note 2's size is just fine for videos but not for heavy web browsing.
And the Nexus 10 doesn't support Flash natively, you need to sideload the apk and download a third party browser. On the ipad there are pretty decent Flash-supporting browsers so it's a tie in this area.
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I agree CreepyDroid. I tried to sideload the apk and to use other browsers without success. I would apreciate to read a good step by step link
Thank in advance.
Tomatoes8 said:
I keep hearing that this is not a bargain like the $199 Nexus 7 or $309 Nexus 4 but it really is.
First, you are getting the highest resolution mobile screen EVER. Second, the dual core A15 is the first of its kind if you don't include the chromebook and will not be used in most mobile devices until mid 2013 at least. Third, they managed to make it only 8.9mm thin, something that Apple couldn't do for the new ipad's. Four, it is one of the only 3 devices running Android 4.2. All that for $399.
It is a steal and in some ways even more of a bargain than the other two.
Ignore this post if you are aware, this is for the people that can't see why this is any different than all the other 10 inch Android tablets.
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i am really disappointed from google now! say what ever any body wants to say against me, i dont care cause reality aint gonna change!
i am a Samsung Boy... everything i own is from samsung (electronics ofcourse)
in my point of view, Google is a Huge company, Bigger than Apple. google can produce tablet oriented apps! YES IT CAN! i dont really dont find not more than like 10 apps that are ESPECIALLY made for my tablets! i owned Nexus 7, sold that cause of lag in browser, Now i own NOTE 10.1!
an Excellent Tablet! but No Apps!
when i was in search of good tab i had to choose between iPad 3 and Note 10.1 and i went for Note 10.1 cause i love Google but i AGAIN got disappointed! not from the tablet, but the SOFTWARE SUPPORT AND APP AVAILABILITY!
i am thinking of getting Nexus 10 but i am keeping my self away from the idea of getting it cause of app support!
mark my words, THERE WILL BE NO APPS FOR NEXUS 10 AT LEAST NOT FOR THE NEXT 3 TO 4 MONTHS!
Apple is only better in APP support and software support than google! GOOGLE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! WHEN U CAN ACTIVATE MILLIONS OF DEVICES EVERY DAY WHY NOT THE ABILITY TO SUPPORT THEM! DONT TELL ME ITS DIFFICULT FOR GOOGLE! ITS A BILLIONS OF $$ COMPANY!! AND HECK IT HAS SUPPORT OF MONSTER COMPANIES LIKE SAMSUNG, LG, HTC AND OTHERS.....!!!
google is destroying its image in minds of customers like me, who change their gadgets very frequently!
accept it or not dude! u can not deny the reality! SMARTPHONES IS ANDROID THING NOW, TABLETS ARE APPLE THING NOW... and only for the fact of no app and software support!
Valynor said:
Flash is a dying/dead platform on Android, so no big loss there IMHO. And the sooner it's gone completely, the better it is - Flash had its place but today it's just a bloated and very dangerous piece of crap software.
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On the INTERNET, Flash is by far the most popular video format... and until HTML5 has agreed on a format that Chrome Firefox IE Safari Opera etc can agree on, flash video is still the choice for many web designers. If you are interested in seeing that content, you can either get flash a capable browser, or not see the video... crap or not.

Chromebook

I'm curious to hear other Nexus 10 owner's observations on the Chromebook. Do you think it's in the same league with the Nexus or am I just comparing 'apples to oranges'?
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randun said:
I'm curious to hear other Nexus 10 owner's observations on the Chromebook. Do you think it's in the same league with the Nexus or am I just comparing 'apples to oranges'?
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Apples to oranges honestly. Chrome books are typically very cheap netbooks with very limited software and hardware. Sort of a very cheap version of a macbook air without the form factor, slimness or software. The one time I used it I was amazed at how limited you are.
The chrome book pixel on the other hand is the single sexiest bit of industrial engineering I have ever seen. Unfortunately its still running that chrome OS. Honestly, I can see paying $250 for a chrome book even with how limited it is because its so affordable. The pixel on the other hand I can't see being worth it at all. As beautifully crafted as it is, the OS is just too limited to be worth the $1200. If it was running something like Mac OS or Windows 8 (touch input) I could see myself wanting one.
Hell I have both. Its not a computer replacement but it depends what your looking to get out of it. If your primary concern is work I'd say chrome book if you are using it for play then N10 hands down. It is apples to oranges but they're both great devices
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Apples to oranges honestly. Chrome books are typically very cheap netbooks with very limited software and hardware. Sort of a very cheap version of a macbook air without the form factor, slimness or software. The one time I used it I was amazed at how limited you are.
The chrome book pixel on the other hand is the single sexiest bit of industrial engineering I have ever seen. Unfortunately its still running that chrome OS. Honestly, I can see paying $250 for a chrome book even with how limited it is because its so affordable. The pixel on the other hand I can't see being worth it at all. As beautifully crafted as it is, the OS is just too limited to be worth the $1200. If it was running something like Mac OS or Windows 8 (touch input) I could see myself wanting one.
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Thanks for the very informative response.
I've had my 10 for a couple of months now & have yet to find a decent keyboard so I can use it as a semi-replacement for my laptop. I just want to use it to access files on my network occasionally to edit, etc, but not lose the tablet experience, if you will.
I purchased the Nexus at Staples & I have the option of returning it, no questions asked, if I chose to do so.
Bottom line, based on what you've described, it sounds like the CB is much more limited than the Nexus in terms of usability, correct?
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enik_fox said:
Hell I have both. Its not a computer replacement but it depends what your looking to get out of it. If your primary concern is work I'd say chrome book if you are using it for play then N10 hands down. It is apples to oranges but they're both great devices
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Please see my response to "NickTheMajin". I'm not looking for a total laptop replacement; just a nice tablet/laptop hybrid but not for all of the things one might get in a fully loaded laptop.
That said, I do love the Nexus. I think the issue of a very powerful keyboard is what I need to retain it.
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Please see my response to "NickTheMajin". I'm not looking for a total laptop replacement; just a nice tablet/laptop hybrid but not for all of the things one might get in a fully loaded laptop.
That said, I do love the Nexus. I think the issue of a very powerful keyboard is what I need to retain it.
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For your use I would really recommend two things. Either the Microsoft Surface or waiting and seeing if a new Transformer tablet comes out. At this point I would not recommend the Asus Transformer Pad Infinity, its really not that good of a tablet and has a ton of performance issues. But Asus will likely release another tablet in its transformer line this year.
Based on what you said the best for you is a windows 8 tablet hybrid. I would not get surface I tried both RT and Pro and its OK but keyboard sucks big time. I would suggest you get the lenovo thinkpad helix. It is similar to Asus transformer but much more powerful and windows 8 coming out in April.
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Unfortunately its still running that chrome OS. Honestly, I can see paying $250 for a chrome book even with how limited it is because its so affordable. The pixel on the other hand I can't see being worth it at all. As beautifully crafted as it is, the OS is just too limited to be worth the $1200. If it was running something like Mac OS or Windows 8 (touch input) I could see myself wanting one.
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Not sure if it was mentioned yet or not, but Chromebooks (afaik) are "open", as in, you can install any compatible OS. ARM-based Chromebooks are a bit more limited on other OS options, in comparison to x86 Chromebooks.
Issue is the hard drive space is crap on chrome book most have 16gb not enough IMO.
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Not sure if it was mentioned yet or not, but Chromebooks (afaik) are "open", as in, you can install any compatible OS. ARM-based Chromebooks are a bit more limited on other OS options, in comparison to x86 Chromebooks.
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I was not aware of this. Could you theoretically put Windows 8 on the Chromebook Pixel? Because that would actually make me consider getting one to supplement my desktop. $1200 is steep but the build quality of the thing is more than worth it if I can put software in it that is useful.
I love my nexus 10 and I was going to purchase a Samsung chromebook but the only thing that stopped me was not being able too run adb and fastboot and hook it up to my phone ....so I replaced the hard drive in my old HP lap top and installed Ubuntu 13.04 on it ....unless something has changed when I was looking at the chrome book about a month ago there wasn't a way to install the platform tools without having to do a million things I wanted something simple but oh well :good:
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I'm curious to hear other Nexus 10 owner's observations on the Chromebook. Do you think it's in the same league with the Nexus or am I just comparing 'apples to oranges'?
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N10 and the Samsung Series 3 ARM Chromebook are nearly the same in speed.
Look here for more info: https://plus.google.com/communities/105678482604512626671
You can also install Ubuntu on this machine and run it simultaneously with ChromeOS.
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I was not aware of this. Could you theoretically put Windows 8 on the Chromebook Pixel? Because that would actually make me consider getting one to supplement my desktop. $1200 is steep but the build quality of the thing is more than worth it if I can put software in it that is useful.
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You should be able to. I have a beta version Chromebook (cr-48) and I was able to install Windows 8 on that. Google even had a tutorial on their development site, so I'm sure you can do that with the newer Chromebooks.
Thanks to all for the great advice! At this point, I think that I'll hold onto my 10 & get a really robust keyboard. Speaking of, I've seen several. Top 3? May at least drop by a store to see a CB for the heck of it.
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Can Chromebooks ADB connect to phones? That is my only sticking point on pulling the trigger on a Chromebook.
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Thanks to all for the great advice! At this point, I think that I'll hold onto my 10 & get a really robust keyboard. Speaking of, I've seen several. Top 3? May at least drop by a store to see a CB for the heck of it.
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Since you're going to keep the Nexus 10, I recommend this keyboard:
http://www.amazon.com/ZAGG-FOLZKFLE...&sr=8-1&keywords=zagg+flex+Bluetooth+keyboard
The stand it comes with is terrible and mine was torn out of the box. I bought it for the keyboard though and could care less about the stand since I'm using a case with a build in stand. To keep things nice and portable without going with a full size keyboard is say this is one of the best options, especially for the price. Other options were up to twice the cost.
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You should be able to. I have a beta version Chromebook (cr-48) and I was able to install Windows 8 on that. Google even had a tutorial on their development site, so I'm sure you can do that with the newer Chromebooks.
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I had a CR-48 too, was pretty awesome Particularly liked that it supported UEFI.
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Can Chromebooks ADB connect to phones? That is my only sticking point on pulling the trigger on a Chromebook.
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No idea on ChromeOS (although with Linux at the base, I imagine it should be possible to some extent), but if you load another OS onto the Chromebook, then yes.
I have a Samsung Series 3 Chromebook and I just ordered a Nexus 10. I know I can't speak from experience, as I don't have the 10 yet, but I plan to use each in conjunction with another - the 10 for light browsing on the couch, reading (I.e. Flip board, pocket, ebooks), playing games (I have ps3 controllers so it should work out well) and since I'm also a student, using it as a notebook with a stylus, going through PowerPoints and reading textbooks.
The Chrome book, as mentioned by someone earlier is moreso a work machine. To be honest, its fairly slow in my opinion, but that's essentially a given with the current price point. However, both the track pad and keyboard work extremely well, and are comparable to that of a Macbook Pro.
Honestly I'm questioning how I will use the Chrome book, now that I have a Nexus 10, a case with a stand and a great Bluetooth keyboard (apple keyboard), but I still think it would be nice in terms of actual browsing or doing work
Also, I don't feel limited at all with the Chromebook. All my document needs are taken care of by Google Drive (with 100gb of extra storage when you buy a chrome book), I have both Google tasks , Google calendar, MightyText (SMS from from computer) and Chime (notifications extension), and if theres anything I desperately need to do, I have Chrome Remote Desktop. I don't know if ADB is possible on the Chrome book , as I don't use it. But, you can always sideload Ubuntu. Finally, the chrome book has amazing battery life and has Netflix support so there's not much more I could ask for $250
Just my 2 cents
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Since you're going to keep the Nexus 10, I recommend this keyboard:
http://www.amazon.com/ZAGG-FOLZKFLE...&sr=8-1&keywords=zagg+flex+Bluetooth+keyboard
The stand it comes with is terrible and mine was torn out of the box. I bought it for the keyboard though and could care less about the stand since I'm using a case with a build in stand. To keep things nice and portable without going with a full size keyboard is say this is one of the best options, especially for the price. Other options were up to twice the cost.
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I quickly checked this out on Amazon & the latest reviews were along the lines of 'wish they would make this for the Nexus, etc' IYO, what makes this keyboard stand out for the Nexus 10 specifically?
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randun said:
I quickly checked this out on Amazon & the latest reviews were along the lines of 'wish they would make this for the Nexus, etc' IYO, what makes this keyboard stand out for the Nexus 10 specifically?
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Not sure what people mean by "wish they would make this for the nexus" but it's just a good, solid keyboard overall. Granted, I don't have a lot of experience with a lot of other keyboards, but I'm not searching for another since I got this one. My case came with a cheap keyboard (I have the Poetic case/keyboard combo) and it needed replacing, that's when I looked at reviews and decided on the Zagg.
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[Q] If Web Browsing is main criterion, which is better tablet?

I know this is subjective question that is hard to get an answer on but I thought I would try. I do other things like use some apps, watch movies occasionally and listen to music, I use a tablet, however, mostly for web browsing. I greatly prefer android's ecosystem to apple's and have always had android phones (just got an lg g2 which I like a lot). I once owned an assus transformer prime and liked it but someone gave me an ipad and the ipad is just plain a lot easier to web browse on. It scrolls smoother and pages load quicker and render better. I pretty much stopped using the prime after I got the ipad.
I love android though and have a hankering to give it another try especially since the prime didnt turn out to be a very good tablet anyway. I am down to deciding between the xperia z and the google nexus 10. While the nexus 10 should theoretically be better and it is cheaper on sale right now, if you go by xda forums, the people on this forum seem a lot happier in general with their sony's than nexus 10 people are with theirs.
Question if anyone knows, if web browsing is your main issue, is the xperia better or worse than the nexus 10 (I do not want to get a 7 inch tablet so new nexus 7 is not an option). Or are they both the same? And then I guess the real question is whether either tablet is as good as the ipad for web browsing if anyone here has any actual experience with that.?
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I know this is subjective question that is hard to get an answer on but I thought I would try. I do other things like use some apps, watch movies occasionally and listen to music, I use a tablet, however, mostly for web browsing. I greatly prefer android's ecosystem to apple's and have always had android phones (just got an lg g2 which I like a lot). I once owned an assus transformer prime and liked it but someone gave me an ipad and the ipad is just plain a lot easier to web browse on. It scrolls smoother and pages load quicker and render better. I pretty much stopped using the prime after I got the ipad.
I love android though and have a hankering to give it another try especially since the prime didnt turn out to be a very good tablet anyway. I am down to deciding between the xperia z and the google nexus 10. While the nexus 10 should theoretically be better and it is cheaper on sale right now, if you go by xda forums, the people on this forum seem a lot happier in general with their sony's than nexus 10 people are with theirs.
Question if anyone knows, if web browsing is your main issue, is the xperia better or worse than the nexus 10 (I do not want to get a 7 inch tablet so new nexus 7 is not an option). Or are they both the same? And then I guess the real question is whether either tablet is as good as the ipad for web browsing if anyone here has any actual experience with that.?
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Well.... I think I can give you the answer for that since I have owned Nexus 10 before and used my friend's iPad and now owned the Xperia Tab Z.... lol
Personally, I think iPad is still smoother for web browsing compared to Nexus 10 or XTZ (I can't tell by how much since I didn't actually own the iPad; so, I only use it for a while).
As for XTZ and Nexus 10, I would say XTZ is slightly smoother (maybe partially due to its 1080p res instead of the 2500x1600 on Nexus 10). Plus, I like the color on the XTZ better compared to Nexus 10 and I find that my eyes can't differentiate the resolution that much anyway; so, XTZ is the better choice for me
The primary reason I got the XTZ is because of its weight (back then iPad air was not even out yet). If I were to use it for a lot of browsing, weight is one of the thing to consider for me; plus it's waterproof (so, you can bring it to browse in the pool ). FYI, the weight goes like this: iPad 3/4: ~650gr; Nexus 10: ~600gr; XTZ: ~495gr; iPad air: ~465gr.
Right now, if you can afford it, I would say go with either XTZ or iPad Air (except weight is none of your concern).... The reason I still keep my XTZ and did not consider iPad air is that I got it for about $100 cheaper than the new iPad Air, the weight difference is not that much (really, just about 25-30 grams), and XTZ is smooth enough for my purpose (plus it's water resistant and it got microSD card slot if that is important for you).
In the end, it comes down to what you need and how much you want to spend. But, hope that helps

Thinking about buying the N10

The time has come to admit that my Asus Transformer Infinity (TF700) was a terrible purchase. I've put it online for sale and now I'm looking for a replacement. It's a household gadget, so it gets 4+ hours of use every single day, very often 10+ hours.
The few things that the N10 needs to provide (and TF700 fails to):
1. The tablet should be capable (in practice) to support at least 4 separate user accounts. This really needs to work. I'd love to hear from N10 owners that actually use this feature, it's simply the most important feature for our use (the family + a guest account). The TF700 is a mess in this aspect, switching takes a long time and everything is all kinds of messed up for a long while after switching. But everything is all kinds of messed up most of the time on that tablet, so multi accounts might be really simple and smooth and non-issue with other tablets.
2. The tablet should be capable of running Chrome browser with 15+ tabs at all times. Preferably across multiple user accounts. Again, I'd like N10 users to chime in on this, does the browser get more laggy with increased number of open tabs? Do the pages take longer to load? Worse scrolling performance? Browser crashing? Don't get me started on the TF700 and browsing...
3. actually... there's even not anything else, really... maybe battery capacity. And if there are any widespread problems, please list them, I've been looking for them and I haven't found anything big apart from maybe low WiFi reception? I understand the random reboots are now fixed with 4.4?
What I absolutely DON'T care about:
- benchmarks
- games
Just browsing. Good display, multiple users, loads of tabs. Good performance with browsing.
So, dear N10 users, please tell me, is this the tablet for me?
Yes, if you absolutely can't wait. The next Nexus 10 should arrive soon. It will kicks the current Nexus 10 butt.
But, still, the current Nexus 10 is a solid tablet.
SalsaForte said:
Yes, if you absolutely can't wait. The next Nexus 10 should arrive soon. It will kicks the current Nexus 10 butt.
But, still, the current Nexus 10 is a solid tablet.
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I'm really not after anything butt-kicking, just what I stated above. Thanks for the heads up though, could you maybe elaborate some more, do you have any experience with tab-heavy browsing or multi-user?
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Yes, if you absolutely can't wait. The next Nexus 10 should arrive soon. It will kicks the current Nexus 10 butt.
But, still, the current Nexus 10 is a solid tablet.
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I personally think there may be no next Nexus 10, or if there is, it's certainly not going to arrive soon.
I have the nexus 10 and I use 3 user accounts and it works great but you'll need the 32 gig version to support all of the accounts. I'm sure a fourth will work no problem. With Google chrome though I don't think you can have 15 tabs open at once. I mean you can but they'll probably have to reload when you click on them because chrome isn't very good with tablets. Other browser's might work better though chrome has improved with updates. Next browser is a good alternative.
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I agree with JasW. Maybe there will be a new Nexus 10, but I wouldn't count on it, and I wouldn't expect it until next year. Just buy a used one from someone else selling theirs in anticipation of a refresh.
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kokoon said:
1. The tablet should be capable (in practice) to support at least 4 separate user accounts. This really needs to work. I'd love to hear from N10 owners that actually use this feature, it's simply the most important feature for our use (the family + a guest account). The TF700 is a mess in this aspect, switching takes a long time and everything is all kinds of messed up for a long while after switching. But everything is all kinds of messed up most of the time on that tablet, so multi accounts might be really simple and smooth and non-issue with other tablets.
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The Nexus series of tablets (N7 or N10) with Jelly Bean 4.3 or the new KitKat 4.4 do an absolute fantastic job with multi-user. I share my table with my spouse and two children. Each update brings even more to the multi-user experience.
Switching is pretty quick, so your Asus tablet must have had problems or some serious bloatware.
kokoon said:
2. The tablet should be capable of running Chrome browser with 15+ tabs at all times. Preferably across multiple user accounts. Again, I'd like N10 users to chime in on this, does the browser get more laggy with increased number of open tabs? Do the pages take longer to load? Worse scrolling performance? Browser crashing? Don't get me started on the TF700 and browsing...
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Hmm, Chrome Browser eh? Don't know if I can blame the TF700 for your browsing experiences. Chrome is much better with 4.4, but it's not the best browser for Android. In fact, it's been pretty junky for some time. I'd say it's finally usable as a decent browser in KitKat 4.4. Prior to that, I was a large Firefox user.
With KitKat 4.4, I'm now exclusively Chrome, and I've a number of tabs open.
So for a tab that works great for multi-user and browsing, yeah it's worth it. And even though you don't care about them, the benchmarks and games are great as well
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abdel12345 said:
I have the nexus 10 and I use 3 user accounts and it works great but you'll need the 32 gig version to support all of the accounts.
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While I agree that you should get the 32GB, Google has the multi-user configured to use the same apk files for the applications that happen to exist in each account. So there are not four copies of Chrome for example, just one with multiple settings files. Games and other apps are the same way, one copy of an application that is only available to the accounts it's licensed to in the Google play store.
Cheers, I ordered it, 32GB version.
The TF700 is such a wreck, it's not even worth writing about it. Fingers crossed N10 is the right one for me!
kokoon said:
The time has come to admit that my Asus Transformer Infinity (TF700) was a terrible purchase. I've put it online for sale and now I'm looking for a replacement. It's a household gadget, so it gets 4+ hours of use every single day, very often 10+ hours.
The few things that the N10 needs to provide (and TF700 fails to):
1. The tablet should be capable (in practice) to support at least 4 separate user accounts. This really needs to work. I'd love to hear from N10 owners that actually use this feature, it's simply the most important feature for our use (the family + a guest account). The TF700 is a mess in this aspect, switching takes a long time and everything is all kinds of messed up for a long while after switching. But everything is all kinds of messed up most of the time on that tablet, so multi accounts might be really simple and smooth and non-issue with other tablets.
2. The tablet should be capable of running Chrome browser with 15+ tabs at all times. Preferably across multiple user accounts. Again, I'd like N10 users to chime in on this, does the browser get more laggy with increased number of open tabs? Do the pages take longer to load? Worse scrolling performance? Browser crashing? Don't get me started on the TF700 and browsing...
3. actually... there's even not anything else, really... maybe battery capacity. And if there are any widespread problems, please list them, I've been looking for them and I haven't found anything big apart from maybe low WiFi reception? I understand the random reboots are now fixed with 4.4?
What I absolutely DON'T care about:
- benchmarks
- games
Just browsing. Good display, multiple users, loads of tabs. Good performance with browsing.
So, dear N10 users, please tell me, is this the tablet for me?
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there is no alternative on the market.
there are only two worthy tablets right now:
- nexus 10
- Note 10.1 2014
last one is overloaded with touchwiz from Samsung, which makes it terribly slow.
theoretically speaking you could root and install a custom rom on Note, but since it's just come out there are not many roms available.
SeaFractor said:
The Nexus series of tablets (N7 or N10) with Jelly Bean 4.3 or the new KitKat 4.4 do an absolute fantastic job with multi-user. I share my table with my spouse and two children. Each update brings even more to the multi-user experience.
Switching is pretty quick, so your Asus tablet must have had problems or some serious bloatware.
Hmm, Chrome Browser eh? Don't know if I can blame the TF700 for your browsing experiences. Chrome is much better with 4.4, but it's not the best browser for Android. In fact, it's been pretty junky for some time. I'd say it's finally usable as a decent browser in KitKat 4.4. Prior to that, I was a large Firefox user.
With KitKat 4.4, I'm now exclusively Chrome, and I've a number of tabs open.
So for a tab that works great for multi-user and browsing, yeah it's worth it. And even though you don't care about them, the benchmarks and games are great as well
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While I agree that you should get the 32GB, Google has the multi-user configured to use the same apk files for the applications that happen to exist in each account. So there are not four copies of Chrome for example, just one with multiple settings files. Games and other apps are the same way, one copy of an application that is only available to the accounts it's licensed to in the Google play store.
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Yes but media and movies and stuff like that are only available on the account you put them on unless they use the same Google account and just stream everything. Like if they all wanted to put a movie/music on it it would only be available on one account. The others would have to put it themselves and use more memory. That's how it is for me at least.
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Sure, that's how it should be!
jodvova said:
there is no alternative on the market.
there are only two worthy tablets right now:
- nexus 10
- Note 10.1 2014
last one is overloaded with touchwiz from Samsung, which makes it terribly slow.
theoretically speaking you could root and install a custom rom on Note, but since it's just come out there are not many roms available.
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You can use NOVA launcher if you don't like TouchWiz on Note 10.1 2014. It's really very fast. Mine is fast with TouchWiz but even faster with NOVA.
I feel your pain... Sold my TF700 5 months ago (and the TF201 before that...) and never looked back. If I need a keyboard, Bluetooth is my friend. I think you will be very happy with a 32gb Nexus 10, although 15 tabs in the browser is probably optimistic, at least without lag.
Concerning reboots... I'd say the tablet is 99% safe under 4.4, but the situation was never terrible in the first place.
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Should I get a Nexus 9?

Im looking for a tablet to replace my laptop and nexus 7 (2012)
My work load will be videos (On occasions) youtube, some light gaming, word processing (With keyboard) web browsing, spotify.
I am a student so it will be for work mostly with it all backed up to google cloud, for films I will OTG them over to the device so I don't use onboard storage.
I was looking at the Tab S 8.4 but I love Nexus and been very up to date.
So what is the battery life like for the Nexus 9 under a medium work load using office stuff, when I am gaming I will be near a plug.
So should I get a Nexus 9 or the Tab S?
Many thanks!
I only used Word on my N9 for a short time, but it works okay. Many 365/2010 features are absent on the Android version, so I'm not sure if it would replace your laptop usage. With my light usage 8hrs was the max I ever saw, when using it frequently 5-6.5hrs of SOT was typical. One thing you should consider is the battery life of your current laptop, as well as compatibility with whatever programs.
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My usage for word is light, using google docs mostly and the battery life on my laptop on light use is at best 4 hours so nothing amazing I never feel truly portable
XDroidie626 said:
My usage for word is light, using google docs mostly and the battery life on my laptop on light use is at best 4 hours so nothing amazing I never feel truly portable
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I would go with a surface pro 3 instead of a nexus 9. I own both.
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XDroidie626 said:
My usage for word is light, using google docs mostly and the battery life on my laptop on light use is at best 4 hours so nothing amazing I never feel truly portable
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Well the N9 will be able to last more than that for word.
car.los.7399 said:
I would go with a surface pro 3 instead of a nexus 9. I own both.
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A Surface is more expensive AND larger than a N9, don't think he wants such a device. The experience of using either as a tablet differs too, since Android is a lot more user friendly in that regard.
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car.los.7399 said:
I would go with a surface pro 3 instead of a nexus 9. I own both.
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Out of my price range im affaid
Amazon UK doing the 16GB version for £199 today click here
I would definitely recommend getting a Nexus 9. However, something to keep in mind is that it was released about 8 months ago and the two previous Nexus tablets, namely Nexus 7 (2012) and Nexus 7 (2013) were released about 1 year apart. This means that there may be a new Nexus tablet in about 4 months. Of course, Nexus 9 was released 4 months "late" so if Google does that again you may have at most 8 months, so Nexus 9 has already reached its half-life.
Whether you care about this or not is your choice, but it's something to keep in mind. I personally never buy or recommend anyone to buy a product that's reached its half-life.
Ace42 said:
Well the N9 will be able to last more than that for word.
A Surface is more expensive AND larger than a N9, don't think he wants such a device. The experience of using either as a tablet differs too, since Android is a lot more user friendly in that regard.
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He's looking to replace his tablet and laptop. I think everybody knows how to use a windows computer.
XDroidie626 said:
Out of my price range im affaid
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You can find a decent surface pro for $400 or so. A Nexus 9 will run $300.
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I tend to end up rooting my devices within 12 months so cyanogen mod should keep me floating for a few years, Google updates will do fine for a while, but I was also recently looking at the nvidia shield while it is cheaper, it also has as card support, hdmi and the other game things, so what would be supporting argument for n9, I love the nexus line but nvidia just seems to offer a bit more, but I love the Denver processor in the n9 also the screen and Google support
Thanks
performance and battery life are pretty poor for such a beast of a device. i haven't tried M, so i can't say if it'll help. spend $200 on a lenovo tab 2 a10-70. they're not top of the line but seem to be good bang-for-the-buck devices. the ONLY reason why i haven't gotten one for myself is b/c they don't make the multiangle slim folio cases for it yet. i won't buy a device that doesn't have one made for it, lol.
leyvatron said:
He's looking to replace his tablet and laptop. I think everybody knows how to use a windows computer.
You can find a decent surface pro for $400 or so. A Nexus 9 will run $300.
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I never said he couldn't use Windows - just that the experience of each device differs, which is true. Both devices have been operated by me, and I wouldn't suggest each to the same person, nor do I encourage iPad users to buy a Surface either.
8" Android tablet =/= 12" x86 Hybrid
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Surface pro also has a 10" device. A Nexus is far from replacing a laptop, but a surface pro can be used as a tablet, computer, note taking device (student), and run Android apps (bluestacks, myandy, etc..). I own a Nexus 9 and only use it for entertainment. I own a surface pro 3 (12 inch), and I do all of my school work on it. I write and record my lecture notes, highlight keypoints on pdf and other type of files, type (surface keyboard) documents on Google drive, use split screen to watch YouTube videos while I finish a document, and save my videos/pictures on a microsd card. The surface pro is such an amazing and productive device for a student.
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performance and battery life are pretty poor for such a beast of a device. i haven't tried M, so i can't say if it'll help. spend $200 on a lenovo tab 2 a10-70. they're not top of the line but seem to be good bang-for-the-buck devices. the ONLY reason why i haven't gotten one for myself is b/c they don't make the multiangle slim folio cases for it yet. i won't buy a device that doesn't have one made for it, lol.
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For which device?
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For which device?
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if you're referring to the one i won't buy b/c i can't find a case... it's the lenovo tab 2. i've got the nexus 9 with a slim folio case.
the lackluster performance and battery life are the nexus 9 remarks. 5.1.1 did address the ramping up of the gpu and cpu to full speed when touching the screen, but it's still ramping up pretty high compaired to my galaxy note 10.1 2014. you'd figure being a more powerful device wouldn't have to draw so much power when interacting with it. using a custom rom and tuning the cpu and gpu down does yield better battery life, but at the cost of performance - it starts stuttering. i haven't tried undervolting or even checking if that was an option with the rom i'm using. that way i can keep the performance without sacrificing battery life. as it is, i get 7-8hours of use depending on how much i touch it. reading a book or watching a video can get me almost 10hours since i don't touch it much while doing those tasks.
just to clarify, the performance isn't from the cpu or gpu, but with the memory management. it just doesn't seem to get it right... i get screen redraws when i change tabs while browsing, i have to use a memory killer in order to not have it lock up daily... it's issues i had when i used a device with only 512MB of ram.
So would you say get the shield tablet over nexus 9
The shield is powerful but has issues of its own. While it has a mSD slot, you have to jump through hoops to get it to barely work. Apps cannot write to it directly. Nvidia is not very good yet at getting the basic features working properly. P.S. I have the shield tab.

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