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Hi friends, I let here some point of discussions about the new CM9 ICS rom.
Remember that I only ask the question. And I show some points.
For me and the experience that I´ve so far with some devices I´m a bit disappointed with CM9.
No true HW accelaration. You can see lots of differences between the alfa SE rom for the 3 xperia range and the performance of CM9 so far.
Camera isn´t even touched on most devices and I think it will be very hard. For us xperia users with good cameras it will be a great pain for developers to get a workaround on it.
Even CM7 as poor camera quality.
3G is very buggy in most CM9 devices.
Wifi get low connection speeds...
I think for now that it will be better to wait for original firmware from SE. The official ICS.
I ´m not a great fan of CM, for middle range and high end devices, I think a good kernel and a good tweaked rom geat by far greater results, and CM is fine for unsupported devices (ICS) and in low end devices.
Don´t be angry it´s just my opinion.
testadeferro said:
Hi friends, I let here some point of discussions about the new CM9 ICS rom.
Remember that I only ask the question. And I show some points.
For me and the experience that I´ve so far with some devices I´m a bit disappointed with CM9.
No true HW accelaration. You can see lots of differences between the alfa SE rom for the 3 xperia range and the performance of CM9 so far.
Camera isn´t even touched on most devices and I think it will be very hard. For us xperia users with good cameras it will be a great pain for developers to get a workaround on it.
Even CM7 as poor camera quality.
3G is very buggy in most CM9 devices.
Wifi get low connection speeds...
I think for now that it will be better to wait for original firmware from SE. The official ICS.
I ´m not a great fan of CM, for middle range and high end devices, I think a good kernel and a good tweaked rom geat by far greater results, and CM is fine for unsupported devices (ICS) and in low end devices.
Don´t be angry it´s just my opinion.
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i was thinking the same i never thought that cm could be a substitute for a 'good' official rom but for those who have devices that are not supported anymore it's always like the best solution for not to be left out in the dust.....just the way i see it and many people might disagree or agree with me.
overall respect to fxp team and their efforts so far,we must appreciate the hard work and time spent by those devs to help make our devices better even if some of us doesn't actually use their roms give thanks where is due anyways
I've just been re-reading the official Sony comparison of their Gingerbread and ICS offering. This time I've had the chance to read more properly all the things they said. For the first time I actually have sympathy for Sony. The manufacturers bring out phones (e.g. SE) with the Xperias 2011 all running Gingerbread from the very start, then the next Google upgrade wipes out the phones. I owned the 2010 X10 Mini and our phone got wiped out the same way. It seems to me that we consumers do not benefit. Anyone who comes to this forum is already a bit of tech. nut, we are a very small population of the whole market, of course we want to try what's new and hot. But in this blog, Sony is explicitly saying that ICS is much, much more demanding on system resources and that we will definitely see a fall in performance, they clearly reference longer boot up time, apps force closing and stalling as well as poor video performance for different reasons that they explain in the blog.
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics
Now I want to wait before I upgrade and check out the news. A few new icons and wallpapers is NOT good enough reason for me to upgrade. Better battery is a good reason to wait, which in that blog, Sony says you will get with Gingerbread over ICS. Do we really benefit here? Do we have to buy a new phone every year now, because Google is bumping up the demands of Android, like Microsoft did with Windows Vista? Windows 7 has less requirements than Vista, only slightly, and 8 has the same requirements as 7 so at least we could use the same laptop/pc for a few years. With Google, the way they are doing this is screwing us over I think.
For you, stay with Gingerbread, move to ICS, not sure or want to wait?
Ray users say they havent experienced any major bugs... Battery is definitely poor for now.....
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I think on the minis and active devices we have the advance of having a smaller resolution area while having almost the same hardware as the other xperia 2011
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They are really both very good points: we can look to the current Sony beta roms for more clues and it is true, our smaller screen being powered by the same CPU is an advantage. Perhaps we Mini users will have the least trouble amongst the 2011 Xperias?
Gingerbread would still be the most dominant OS, due to its stability on most phones,
having a new OS or phone is not always the best option.
I really thank the devs here in XDA, they are keeping old phones alive,
giving us a chance to have a taste of the new flavor and further improving stock OS on current phones.
I just recently read about the Xperia S Rom ported to Xperia X10 here, how cool is that...?
I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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you can always remove the bloatwares , though of course with custom roms we can do a lot of things which are still restricted even with a rooted stock rom
urra901109 said:
I'll choose the custom ICS rom.. sony and other manufacturer has done nothing but giving us all those bloatware while calling it "feature" rather than craps. + I see upgrade as change in UI, but sony's ICS UI has not change much compared to GB
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If you want a different UI, just use a different home.apk? Just saying...
But yea i'm with the OP on these thoughts, have had the same thoughts for quite some time now. The thing is, we can make ICS faster on our devices just as we did with GB, but... How stable will the non-stock ICS roms be? Honestly I would rather see MIUI roms derived from GB as a base than ICS. A lot more stable with less bugs. Even the MIUI roms aren't AOSP based (as are official MIUI releases), they are FXP based roms. So, all in all we are between Stock and FXP releases.
I am not bashing on people working on developing MIUI and various ICS based roms, but like the OP, i'd rather have stability over "new features", such as full HW acceleration, which can be triggered using a variable in GB too (mind you that uses more juice).
I am going to seriously think about moving Spartan Rom from stock GB rom as a source, to stock ICS as a source.
Even if the battery consumption, which in my list of priorities for a fully functional rom is the highest in the list, is sub-par, I wont be switching over to ICS personally.
@drumraden if you see about other devices there are lots of stable roms are available (mostly aosp based, even I am using a stable custom rom for my Xoom)
We just need to give time to the devs to come up with stable ice roms.
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You don't get my point.
The only reason to build an MIUI from ICS sources, is for the **** of saying its ICS therefore updated.
Yeah as for battery drain, I'm afraid Sony says on that site above that battery will be less durable with official ICS. What a shame. The discussion here though is really making me thing about all of this.
Yeah I am seriously thinking of going back to gb as soon as there is a good miui rom I am right now on ics because there is only one really stable miui release for the lww and it is ics but i really prefer better battery life.
On the other hand I prefer ics over hb a thousand times on my tab but it has like 7 times the battery of my phone so I have no issue with that.
I'll prefer ICS when main apps start to requires ICS.
While the requirements surround the GB I'll stick with it.
But it's nice to know that if it occurs my phone will be ready.
That's why I bought my mini-pro.
Personally, I will first give it a try. Then we will see, if it deserves to stay on my LWW or not...
yup ... sure will giv official a try ... but the best rom on gb wud be miui .... is that project still going on or has been dumped ?
i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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i think lasan is still currently working on the GB MIUI port...
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I like the sound of that....perfect functionality and stunning visuals, yes.
Yup it feels tooo good..... Had it on ace.... Beautiful and fast......
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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I'm running Kamarush's ICS version for sk17i: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1434001
and that works like a charm. all features that I need on a daily basis, it's really stable, and it's super fast, so if SE say it's more demanding, than that's just not true. All the roms here are so much faster than stock, because here people care about the roms. it feels like the big companies just put something together but never care to optimize it. android's biggest advantage is the custom stuff.
I do feel sorry for anybody running stock software though
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One simple question... How much battery %/hour does the rom you have installed consume in standby mode with all radios except mobile turned off.
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Will it be MIUI, Cyanogenmod or something else? Share your desires and maybe devs will listen
Definately MIUI.
Using it on my EVO 3D atm, and I loooooove it!
Definitely Cognition Rom
Will be happy to see custom ROMs, but as long as they incorporate the awesome samsung features
I am only looking to put ROMs on this phone that are proven stable - and keep the features of the SGSIII intact. I don't want a phone that needs this workaround to get a feature to work.
I hope BootManager PRO works for this phone because I do like to keep several ROMs at hand at once. I really love the ICS blues and I have seen some amazing things evolve from a stock AOSP 4.0.X ROM over at the GNex forums. So we just need to wait and be amazed with the features that will be introduced to the world of Android via this phone's development section
Kernels on the other hand - this is where I am mostly concerned. We know pretty much NOTHING about the way a quad core kernel should be dealt with... These will be the main subject of my attention as we get into early development stages.
We shall see what some of our amazing developers who have proven they make kernels their bi***es can do with a new kernel. I am also interested in the kernel that Samsung has developed for it and how exactly this works in our favor here at XDA.
The main point is while most ROMs can be considered close... Kernels will be quite different and will be everyone's main focus - making our quad core beasts run with optimal battery life!
Checkrom
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I'd like to see a CM9 hybrid\tablet mode rom with per-app dpi capabilities that comes with a free high class escort.
I will use any "rooted" rom that is stable enough .... so far we don´t know is it possible to change bootloader.
Cyanogenmod of course
Probably..... stock rom, bloatware removed (will keep all the good stuff), custom kernel and custom themes
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CheckRom 100% the most popular and best ever ROM for the SGSII no other ROM comes close, i still use it and have used nothing else for a long time, SGSII ICS ROM's still nowhere near as good as CheckRom although i hear CheckRom ICS will be landing shortly for the SGSII although ill be selling my phone and getting the Galaxy S3
Slim ICS, as don't see much need for all the extra stuff apart from eye tracking to keep the screen on, S-Voice functionality goes in one ear and out the other, NFC not for me, Social tagging can leave me alone, shame the screen is sub standard to the SGS2.
Still loving my SGS 1 but am due an upgrade so may as well get this, hopefully the GPS is not as ****e as the SGS is. ended up buying an iPhone 3GS just to use with TomTom.
Now if you could give me TomTom on the SGS3 then you'd be talking.
Definitely checkrom with a new kitchen. And if we can get a siyah kernel then its over!!!!!!!!
cm9
miui
slim
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I've got a US Galaxy Player 5.0, and it's my daily driver. I mostly use it as a PDA (got it to replace a really aging Palm...), but love playing games on it, using it as a camera, and browsing the web as well. I saw a Nexus 7 today, and realized I want a performance upgrade for my Player, but I don't know what ROMs are in what state. I know some have certain bugs, others don't, and I want to make an informed decision based on what other people have tried.
I think I want to try something like a stock 4.0/4.1, but I could be open to customized versions as well.
I've looked a bit at EtheralRom 2.4, but being a noob I can't post there to ask questions. I know I've seen some other ROM's in previous visits to the site, and I've always started my search with the All-In-One thread.
Absolute must-haves:
-Working Cameras
-Working GPS
-Working Bluetooth/Wifi
Don't care so much about:
-Audio quality/supported formats
I am also using my Player to debug an Android App I have on Play, so if there's anything I should know about that connection I'd appreciate it.
If you absolutely need the camera then no ICS for you, it is currently work in progress.
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I've got a US Galaxy Player 5.0, and it's my daily driver. I mostly use it as a PDA (got it to replace a really aging Palm...), but love playing games on it, using it as a camera, and browsing the web as well. I saw a Nexus 7 today, and realized I want a performance upgrade for my Player, but I don't know what ROMs are in what state. I know some have certain bugs, others don't, and I want to make an informed decision based on what other people have tried.
I think I want to try something like a stock 4.0/4.1, but I could be open to customized versions as well.
I've looked a bit at EtheralRom 2.4, but being a noob I can't post there to ask questions. I know I've seen some other ROM's in previous visits to the site, and I've always started my search with the All-In-One thread.
Absolute must-haves:
-Working Cameras
-Working GPS
-Working Bluetooth/Wifi
Don't care so much about:
-Audio quality/supported formats
I am also using my Player to debug an Android App I have on Play, so if there's anything I should know about that connection I'd appreciate it.
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If the cameras is a must-have, then the ICS roms isn't for you. Also etheral is a rom for the SGP 4.0 and not the 5.0. As for ADB, (debugging) it is working normally.
Ok, good to know. Are there any ideas on when cameras might get integrated into the ICS builds?
If I give up on ICS, what gingerbread ROM would give the most noticeable performance boost?
Chip 1.5 rom
Dr. Cyanide said:
Ok, good to know. Are there any ideas on when cameras might get integrated into the ICS builds?
If I give up on ICS, what gingerbread ROM would give the most noticeable performance boost?
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I don't have any idea of when this could be integrated (it involves quite a long programming port). As for the roms, I don't know as I don't own a 5.0 but people says that chip is one of the best GB roms available for the moment.
Chip Rom ..ADW launcher Ex and its flying try screens and menus faster then GS3..on mine international is perfect but read that on US could have few bugs ..maybe one with US could tell you.
Hey. I'm considering buying G5, but I've been wondering about whether CyanogenMod work just as well as stock in terms of performance, stability, photo, video and call quality. I have some pretty bad experiences with custom ROMs on LG G2, so that's why I'm asking.
I had the best experience with custom ROMs on the G2!! What are you talking about? G2 still has amazing ROMs and dev support.
galr said:
I had the best experience with custom ROMs on the G2!! What are you talking about? G2 still has amazing ROMs and dev support.
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Low quality camera pictures, low speaker and mic volume.
TH4N1X said:
Hey. I'm considering buying G5, but I've been wondering about whether custom ROMs work just as well as stock in terms of performance, stability, photo, video and call quality. I have some pretty bad experiences with custom ROMs on LG G2, so that's why I'm asking.
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Check out root section of this phone. LG g5 fairly new still. There's a few stable 1s. Seems to be getting better day by day with others. If your in the States get Tmobile version.
Nick216ohio said:
Check out root section of this phone. LG g5 fairly new still. There's a few stable 1s. Seems to be getting better day by day with others. If your in the States get Tmobile version.
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I know that there's only CM right now, but if it already has problems that are related to closed drivers (camera) then it will never be fixed. And that's what I'm asking about.
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Low quality camera pictures, low speaker and mic volume.
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Only CyanogenMod. On stock based ROMs none of these issues. And besides, except for camera i think the sound issues could be resolved on CM (manually).
EDIT: OK i get it, you were asking about CM. Got it.
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Only CyanogenMod. On stock based ROMs none of these issues. And besides, except for camera i think the sound issues could be resolved on CM (manually).
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Well, yeah, but stock based ROMs are slow. And the issues cannot be resolved, you can only apply a .zip that will increase the speaker volume, but the quality is horrible. Anyway, it's about G5 and whether it suffers from the same problems on CM because I don't want another phone that takes a few secs to display recent apps (stock) or takes potato quality pictures (CM).
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Well, yeah, but stock based ROMs are slow. And the issues cannot be resolved, you can only apply a .zip that will increase the speaker volume, but the quality is horrible. Anyway, it's about G5 and whether it suffers from the same problems on CM because I don't want another phone that takes a few secs to display recent apps (stock) or takes potato quality pictures (CM).
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Got it.:good:
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Got it.:good:
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So, uh, are there issues on CM on G5?
TH4N1X said:
Hey. I'm considering buying G5, but I've been wondering about whether CyanogenMod work just as well as stock in terms of performance, stability, photo, video and call quality. I have some pretty bad experiences with custom ROMs on LG G2, so that's why I'm asking.
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CM works very well IMO. NFC (and probably WIFI tethering) don't work, but everything else does.
The call quality is OK, but the picture quality is not as good as with stock. But since LG does not help the developers by releasing the blobs, I am glad that it works at all.
I can live with the camera on CM, but your mileage may vary - I'm not a foto freak.
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Well, yeah, but stock based ROMs are slow. And the issues cannot be resolved, you can only apply a .zip that will increase the speaker volume, but the quality is horrible. Anyway, it's about G5 and whether it suffers from the same problems on CM because I don't want another phone that takes a few secs to display recent apps (stock) or takes potato quality pictures (CM).
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I find the stock Rom to be extremely fast. In fact I've owned every galaxy 1-7. .Note 3 and 4....G2 G3 and 4.....moto x pure.....the v10 and NONE of them are as fast as this phone......That's why I can't justify the shortcomings that CM has on this phone even though on all other phones I prefer CM and really want to use it for the theme engine alone.....but I just can't......stock is way too damn smooth.
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I find the stock Rom to be extremely fast. In fact I've owned every galaxy 1-7. .Note 3 and 4....G2 G3 and 4.....moto x pure.....the v10 and NONE of them are as fast as this phone......That's why I can't justify the shortcomings that CM has on this phone even though on all other phones I prefer CM and really want to use it for the theme engine alone.....but I just can't......stock is way too damn smooth.
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I have to agree that stock on the g5 is actually pretty smooth, runs really good and gets great battery life especially with a few tweaks (greenify and couple others). But CM runs pretty well now too although still a few things not working and couple things not as good as stock. Camera quality is good with CM although much better on stock, that will probably always be the case with lg. Also miss some things like lg dialer that has video call built in and lg gallery app that to me is better but it all depends on what you want to do. If you're more interested in camera quality and everything working including decent speed and battery life stay on stock and just root and do your custom mods, if you want a lighter OS and ability to customize more and are okay with a couple things not working for now use CM. Also I've always preferred cm based roms on every device especially g2 but with this I'm torn between stock and cm, although currently using cm as daily driver. Maybe if dual boot ever works with t mobile version i can have both.
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I have to agree that stock on the g5 is actually pretty smooth, runs really good and gets great battery life especially with a few tweaks (greenify and couple others). But CM runs pretty well now too although still a few things not working and couple things not as good as stock. Camera quality is good with CM although much better on stock, that will probably always be the case with lg. Also miss some things like lg dialer that has video call built in and lg gallery app that to me is better but it all depends on what you want to do. If you're more interested in camera quality and everything working including decent speed and battery life stay on stock and just root and do your custom mods, if you want a lighter OS and ability to customize more and are okay with a couple things not working for now use CM. Also I've always preferred cm based roms on every device especially g2 but with this I'm torn between stock and cm, although currently using cm as daily driver. Maybe if dual boot ever works with t mobile version i can have both.
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I totally agree with you. This is the first phone id choose stock over CM or any other aosp Rom for that matter....its just so fast and in actuality I had more hiccups on CM with the touch randomly freezing for a few seconds or delaying......and part of the reason i got this phone is for the camera quality to take pictures of my kids......if I could keep that on CM id probably go to CM because I love the themes. No theming on stock sure does get old quick.
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I totally agree with you. This is the first phone id choose stock over CM or any other aosp Rom for that matter....its just so fast and in actuality I had more hiccups on CM with the touch randomly freezing for a few seconds or delaying......and part of the reason i got this phone is for the camera quality to take pictures of my kids......if I could keep that on CM id probably go to CM because I love the themes. No theming on stock sure does get old quick.
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I think the touch freezing issues were with the first build as I've been running cm for a couple weeks now without any touch issues but camera quality just isn't the same as stock. Also there is some modding you can do on stock (g4 tweaks box, gravity box, build.prop edits and probably more, although not the same as cm ... ) Like I said before maybe if dual boot gets support for h830 we could have both then.
Thanks for the opinions, guys. I still gotta see it irl, but this might be a good choice.
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I think the touch freezing issues were with the first build as I've been running cm for a couple weeks now without any touch issues but camera quality just isn't the same as stock. Also there is some modding you can do on stock (g4 tweaks box, gravity box, build.prop edits and probably more, although not the same as cm ... ) Like I said before maybe if dual boot gets support for h830 we could have both then.
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I wonder just how much better the camera actually really is on stock though. I would like to know that. The major difference I seen is that it takes longer to actually snap a pic on CM.
The Cyanogenmod ROM on the G5 is great. There are problems still with the mobile hotspot and NFC, but other than that it's great
i dont need NFC (for what?) and the mistakes in Tethering... can wait
for me i hope the touch issue when Ambient Display enabled and open phone with Fingerprint is the badest Bug we have
But rest works fine and i'm happy to have Custom Rom was CM based.
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I'm currently on stock and contemplating the switch to CM. Not that there's anything wrong with stock + xposed/tweaksbox/gravity, mind you. I don't suppose anyone has some direct comparison shots between stock and cm?
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I wonder just how much better the camera actually really is on stock though. I would like to know that. The major difference I seen is that it takes longer to actually snap a pic on CM.
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I think it takes about same amount of time maybe tiny bit longer to take picture in cm but not big deal. I think biggest thing would be if you used the manual mode as i don't think there's a way of doing that on cm, but not sure. Otherwise cameras pretty similar.
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I'm currently on stock and contemplating the switch to CM. Not that there's anything wrong with stock + xposed/tweaksbox/gravity, mind you. I don't suppose anyone has some direct comparison shots between stock and cm?
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Both stock and cm are great options. Stock is smooth with good battery life and cm is very customizable with not as good battery life. I've been using cm ever since they fixed the camera not working when cm first came out, but have since switched over to RR which is still cm based but way more customization. I'm happy with cm wish battery life was better and miss built in video call feature stock has but everything has tradeoffs. Anyways I recommend doing nandroid and trying cm or RR and see what you like better.