As we all know, this beast is about to hit the streets Friday, but said beast is going to be locked by AT&T.
How hard/easy will it be to SuperCID & unlock the bootloader?
If the bootloader is unlocked will I be able to flash ROMs,Kernels,Radios, or is S-off needed?
I had heard it was unlockable on HTCdev still, has this changed?
http://phandroid.com/2013/04/15/htc-one-bootloader/
they may of course change it, sigh.
youwonder said:
I had heard it was unlockable on HTCdev still, has this changed?
http://phandroid.com/2013/04/15/htc-one-bootloader/
they may of course change it, sigh.
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Yeah reports from HTC said they will be disabling HTCDev for this device. Get 'em while you can!
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Yeah reports from HTC said they will be disabling HTCDev for this device. Get 'em while you can!
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Here's hoping they don't have it done by the 19th when I get mine =*/
On a side note can anyone help me with a source on this? All I can find is that engadget article that doesn't list any sources for it.
>no but we asked ATT they said kk?
Not that I don't believe them, but an official statement from either company would be nice.
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On a side note can anyone help me with a source on this? All I can find is that engadget article that doesn't list any sources for it.
>no but we asked ATT they said kk?
Not that I don't believe them, but an official statement from either company would be nice.
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Or it's a ploy by HTC to temporarily drive sales of their developer edition, for which I'm sure they make more on per unit than they do with AT&T.
/tinfoil
i'd be interested to know if you can re-lock the bootloader without it displaying "TAMPERED" at the top of FASTBOOT screen. you know, just in case i unlock on 4/18 but want to relock on Friday, 4/19 to get a Black one if available.
When you relock the boot loader its going to say relocked. I've never had someone at the store boot to the boot loader to look at it when doing a return
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i'd be interested to know if you can re-lock the bootloader without it displaying "TAMPERED" at the top of FASTBOOT screen. you know, just in case i unlock on 4/18 but want to relock on Friday, 4/19 to get a Black one if available.
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if s-off is archived we will be able to. Until then we have to live with it. Most likely they wont check.
Never had a store salesperson boot to bootloader mode in the store, but there's always a first time.
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When Motorola said they would unlock bootloader s in late 2011, depending on carrier.
If your carrier is not one that will allow it, could you flash another carrier sbf to acquire an unlockable bootloader?
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cant see why not, the french 2.1.1 is a retail sbf afaik so in theory that should get any updates almost straight away as opposed to the carrier specific sbfs, may be wrong though :S
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cant see why not, the french 2.1.1 is a retail sbf afaik so in theory that should get any updates almost straight away as opposed to the carrier specific sbfs, may be wrong though :S
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Just was noticing how some sbf's are not compatible. And if it's an update that effects the bootloader then it maybe brand specific, unless it's upto the carrier to give you that update, so then they could with hold it, if it allows the bootloader to be unlocked.
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nitrox1 said:
When Motorola said they would unlock bootloader s in late 2011, depending on carrier.
If your carrier is not one that will allow it, could you flash another carrier sbf to acquire an unlockable bootloader?
Desire is the source of all suffering.
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whoa when did motorola say they were going to unlock bootloaders? do you have a link?
This is AT&T we are talking about here.
With their long history of screwing customers over, do you really thing this will happen?
(I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just more realistic)
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This is AN AMERICAN CARRIER we are talking about here.
With their long history of screwing customers over, do you really thing this will happen?
(I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just more realistic)
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There, I fixed that for you!
I would think that after they stop supporting the device they will open the bootloader but knowing Motorola they might just expect you to get a new phone that they will support for another few months. If we have to sign a contract with the carrier then the carrier should sign a contract with us agreeing to support the device, however I know realisticly AT&T would never go for that. What is sad is that my G1, the first android phone got Cyanogen support up to froyo. With motorola we will get Gingerbread at some point and maybe Ice Cream but who knows.
Sorry for ranting I just which Motorola was a more open company in respect to dealing with its customers. The more they disconnect from their customers the less they will have...
Tmo and sprint are doing pretty well. Verizon is alright (with the droid line). Most non droid motorola phones seem to suck and be crippled.
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whoa when did motorola say they were going to unlock bootloaders? do you have a link?
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It's out there, think it's on their facebook, or google it.
They said 'all their range', but also upto carrier, by end of 2011.
When I was flashing my desire, htc updates changed hboot, that's why I asked.
And if you have a at&t phone, would you be able to flash a tmo uk sbf, to get your bootloader unlocked, if at&t didn't provide? Was the real question, or vice versa.
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Dependant on carrier? I'm confused.....Does this mean that HTCs will still be locked on AT&T even though they said they won't?
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The carriers can, but the flipside is that its more work for the lazy bums at at&t. I doubt htc will lock the bootloader, but at&t does have the final word.
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I've pretty much accepted the fact that we'll never see an unlocked bootloader on this phone. Either officially, or through some dev work on xda. Atleast that way I can be surprised if it ever happens.
If AT&T really does have the final say, I dont see why we couldnt flash a bootloader update intended for, say, a Bell Atrix. Remember when people were flashing a radio intended for Tesla Atrix's that unlocked HSPA+ speeds before 1.83? We could probably just do the same here.
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If AT&T really does have the final say, I dont see why we couldnt flash a bootloader update intended for, say, a Bell Atrix. Remember when people were flashing a radio intended for Tesla Atrix's that unlocked HSPA+ speeds before 1.83? We could probably just do the same here.
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I'm no dev, but am pretty sure you can't just go about flashing a bootloader all willy nilly like. could be wrong though
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I'm no dev, but am pretty sure you can't just go about flashing a bootloader all willy nilly like. could be wrong though
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Well you are wrong. With the Dream you could flash the SPL off the google dev phone to it which was the source of all custom roms for a while. This in fact would be a closer match and would work with little/no modification.
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Well you are wrong. With the Dream you could flash the SPL off the google dev phone to it which was the source of all custom roms for a while. This in fact would be a closer match and would work with little/no modification.
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The Atrix isnt the Dream, so there's no way to know for sure. But until its proven that cant be done, I choose to remain optimistic.
The bootloader and kernel are signed.
If you flashed the bootloader, you'd need to also be able to decrypt the kernel otherwise flashing would be pretty useless. Unless you could redirect what kernel to load. (Lol defeated my own argument)
I don't believe it's the carrier's that carry all the weight. It seems more like the OEMs do.
HTC declared that all bootloaders would be unlocked. They just said so. They didn't say, with permission from the carrier.
That's only after people bombed their facebook and twitter after hearing about the Evo3D. We've been trying since the DX to get even a vague response on if Motorola will do it or not.
From my understanding, if Motorola provide an SBF or update.zip that can load a signed boot image that will then allow us to load unsigned packages then we should be able to get it retroactively.
I'm just not sure if any of the people on the TI OMAP cpu will be as lucky as those devices also had hardware mechanism in place to stop flashing.
I'm still trying guys!
I'm using HTC's announcement as steam and have a contact in Moto Australia trying to help me get the right people on the phone. No promises, just a reminder that I'm fighting this and will continue to until it's unlocked.
Cheers,
Irwin
I spoke with an upper level tech support rep from AT&T yesterday and I know it's not absolute but when I asked what AT&T's stance was on unlocked boot loaders, she said they were against it.
I know it's not an official answer, but they said flashing of any unauthorized ROMs is something they're against and therefore will not support unlocked boot loaders.
Just putting it out there. Let's hope our devs can bypass this =].
I want to know why does it happened to some Tabs that they have unlock padlock icon on the boot screen. Does it mean the tab was sold to someone and he unlocked it and returned the tab where is bought from and samsung repacked and ship it back to store? Or is it a I/O version and they just changed the back casing? I have unlock padlock icon and i am curios is it a returned item and samsung repacked it?
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I want to know why does it happened to some Tabs that they have unlock padlock icon on the boot screen. Does it mean the tab was sold to someone and he unlocked it and returned the tab where is bought from and samsung repacked and ship it back to store? Or is it a I/O version and they just changed the back casing? I have unlock padlock icon and i am curios is it a returned item and samsung repacked it?
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they are being sold with unlocked bootloaders, or alteast some are. the ones form the 8th in nyc were all locked where these are what I am seeing mostly all unlocked
Yep, Just got one from Best Buy last week and its got the unlocked padlock when it boots.
Bought one a week ago from amazon that was locked. It sucked and was broken anyway so they replaced it. Now I got a unlocked one that's works hreat so far. I must say though. Even after 1.4ghz overclock my evo still scrolls smoother lol. Both devices seem laggy as hell
"hold on to your dookie, its about to get spooky"
Best buy units all seem unlocked.
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Best buy units all seem unlocked.
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Not true...
Mine is locked and I bought it two weeks ago from bestbuy.
So it's random ... Weird.
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So it's random ... Weird.
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Yes it is... Mine was locked too from bestbuy.
I have 2 16GB one white, the other grey both bought at Best Buys (two different Best Buys) both locked.
Personally, if you're within your return period, I'd return the unit as defective.
If people who are paying the same price as you from the same vendor and getting an unlocked device, you should be too. A locked bootloader should be considered a defect when quite a few units from the exact same retailer are unlocked.
But for real, where's the disadvantages about a locked bootloader if you're able to install CWM recovery? - You can install a new kernen/rom, so everything is fine with a locked device. I just don't get it.
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But for real, where's the disadvantages about a locked bootloader if you're able to install CWM recovery? - You can install a new kernen/rom, so everything is fine with a locked device. I just don't get it.
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More likely to accidentally brick for one.
And it's also "speaking with your wallet" - If you just lie down and take it, Samsung will be more likely to lock bootloaders in future devices.
I'd like to see that conversation take place...
"I'm returning this. It's defective."
"Oh, I'm sorry. What is wrong with it?"
"The bootloader is locked. I want one with an unlocked bootloader."
"The what? I don't know what that means... Let me get my manager"
Hello,
If you didn't hear the EVO 3D will be coming to Canada this summer. This is a GSM variant of the EVO 3D. If you go to this link here:
http://redboard.rogers.com/2011/eve...oducing-the-htc-evo-3d-and-the-lg-optimus-3d/
Scroll down check out the the comments one ask's if the Bootloaders will be unlocked, this is the answer from RogersService :
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RogersKatie says: July 18, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Hi Jim,
Yes, our HTC EVO 3D will have an unlocked bootloader.
Katie
So this is great news for us
I have my fingers crossed that it will be that simple.
But I really think that they are going to spend the dev time on the GSM version to push it to market, and leave us CDMA users behind for a while.
Wow, you guys are lucky.
remember the sprint version was supposed to be unlocked as well and you see they didn't do what they said they were going to do ,but good luck on yours .
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remember the sprint version was supposed to be unlocked as well and you see they didn't do what they said they were going to do ,but good luck on yours .
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They never said the Sprint versino would be unlocked at launch.
Isn't HTC already unlocking the bootloaders in August though? It just looks like our phones will ship with the newest firmware/bootloader.
Hmm I wouldn't be surprised by the time rogers gets theirs we have the first update that preps the phone to be unlocked.
The sensation bootloaders are to be unlocked in august, the evo 3d in september so they most likely will have the latest firmware at launch.
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RogersKatie says: July 18, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Hi Jim,
Yes, our HTC EVO 3D will have an unlocked bootloader AT LAUNCH.
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I do not see those last two words in your original quote. Might be waiting months like we are for that unlock...
If theirs truely is unlocked at launch, is it possible to flash the bootloader over or impossible because the GSM bootloader won't be compatible with the CDMA phone?
Could they learn from from the GSM version? Pretty sure... Can you flash it right over to the CDMA version? Not a chance in hell... =/
im currently waiting for a response from Rogers for if the unlocked bootloaders will be available at launch.
So now that it's launched... is it true? Has anyone brought home a Rogers E3D that has an unlocked bootloader?
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If theirs truely is unlocked at launch, is it possible to flash the bootloader over or impossible because the GSM bootloader won't be compatible with the CDMA phone?
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It is likely a very safe idea to not even try to flash it...if it would even allow it.
...and we're still not sure what HTC means by 'unlocked bootloader'...even though that would suggest that they all come 's-off' I highly highly doubt that. would it be as simple as "fastboot oem unlock" ?? That's more likely but I still doubt that. I am very curious to see exactly wtf they do to ship things unlocked.
...I would be surprised if they didn't ship locked and encrypted to the gills. Though they will likely have their 'unlock signup/trade in your warranty' website live for launch, which sounds most likely.
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So now that it's launched... is it true? Has anyone brought home a Rogers E3D that has an unlocked bootloader?
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Just got one, S-ON unfortunately.
Bootloader will not be unlocked until HTC releases their Web Application method of implementation.
As usual, Rogers talks out of their ass...
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As usual, Rogers talks out of their ass...
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Welcome to their Social Media team. Never let a journalist talk about Bootloaders...
Rogers_Chris says: August 10, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Hi Andy,
When we announced the HTC EVO 3D coming to Rogers, we communicated that the device would launch with an unlocked bootloader (as Katie wrote above). Our apologies – we have since learned that the device will not be shipped unlocked. For more information on webtools, please visit the HTC website ww.HTCdev.com. If you decide to make a change, please note that some actions may void warranties.
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Rogers_Chris says: August 10, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Hi Andy,
When we announced the HTC EVO 3D coming to Rogers, we communicated that the device would launch with an unlocked bootloader (as Katie wrote above). Our apologies – we have since learned that the device will not be shipped unlocked. For more information on webtools, please visit the HTC website ww.HTCdev.com. If you decide to make a change, please note that some actions may void warranties.
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Please note , that katie was also unlocked from her employment at rogers for even remotely implying that you could uninstall our carrier bloatware.
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So far I'm liking my HOX+ (AT&T), but want to unlock/root to get the full experience, backup with Titanium, delve into Tasker and BatteryXL, etc. However, I'm a relative newbie at this and need some help.
I understand you have to unlock the bootloader first, but so far the only way I've seen is through HTC Dev. Is that correct? And will that void my warranty? Or is it reversible in case I need to bring the phone back in for maintenance?
Or, will it not matter, because if I bring it in the AT&T Store staff won't bother to check? I did swap out my phone for a non-defective one on Tuesday and the dude didn't even turn it on or glance at it, just grabbed me a new one with a new SIM, so this may not matter. But before I go on I just wanted some reassurance that I can reverse this if need be.
Thanks in advance!
Technically, yes it does void your warranty. That said, I bought a One X in September, unlocked the bootloader and rooted it in October. Then when the X+ came out, I relocked the bootloader and flashed the RUU to return the device to stock, took it back to the AT&T store and got my X+.
If for some reason you ran into a super-anal AT&T employee, yes they could still check to see if it had been previously unlocked and the phone would show this evidence if they look at the bootloader. Highly, HIGHLY unlikely if you ask me though.
Thanks!
I'll look into rooting if I can figure out how! Anyone know how to do this on Mac?
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Technically, yes it does void your warranty. That said, I bought a One X in September, unlocked the bootloader and rooted it in October. Then when the X+ came out, I relocked the bootloader and flashed the RUU to return the device to stock, took it back to the AT&T store and got my X+.
If for some reason you ran into a super-anal AT&T employee, yes they could still check to see if it had been previously unlocked and the phone would show this evidence if they look at the bootloader. Highly, HIGHLY unlikely if you ask me though.
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Exactly how you get around it! To be honest a few times i returned phones with only flashing the factory rom, left the phone unlocked and all, lol! I doubt the companies really look into it to see if you messed with it. Haven't heard 1 person returned a phone and getting denied because of root, unlocked bootloader, etc. I could be wrong but never heard of it myself...
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Technically, yes it does void your warranty. That said, I bought a One X in September, unlocked the bootloader and rooted it in October. Then when the X+ came out, I relocked the bootloader and flashed the RUU to return the device to stock, took it back to the AT&T store and got my X+.
If for some reason you ran into a super-anal AT&T employee, yes they could still check to see if it had been previously unlocked and the phone would show this evidence if they look at the bootloader. Highly, HIGHLY unlikely if you ask me though.
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Rooting and unlocking alone only voids your warranty if you have a custom rom on your phone that caused the issue you had that broke it. I got that straight from a store managers mouth.
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I am thinking about giving up the Samsung world for the M8. But I want to know if I root and unlock the bootloader will ATT know if I decide to return? In the Samsung world if you trip Knox att won't take it back.
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I am thinking about giving up the Samsung world for the M8. But I want to know if I root and unlock the bootloader will ATT know if I decide to return? In the Samsung world if you trip Knox att won't take it back.
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You can just do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710503
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You can just do this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2710503
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So I am a little HTC stupid. Does this just remove the text?
I sure wish the HTC had wireless charging that is the one BIG thing I will miss.
I came from the S3 so I feel your growing pains. Yes it removes the red text that appears on your unlocked bootscreen but if you scroll down to FAUX LOCKED HBOOT you can make it look like its S-ON and locked. This will make your phone look like it's unmodified. I had to return mine because my screen was unresponsive. They didn't even have me turn it on, they just exchanged it without question.
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I am thinking about giving up the Samsung world for the M8. But I want to know if I root and unlock the bootloader will ATT know if I decide to return? In the Samsung world if you trip Knox att won't take it back.
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Faux hboot would work with at&t but not if your sending it to HTC. You can put everything back to stock except s-on. There is a command, but I don't think anyone has the balls to try it including me but you can lock the boot loader without it saying relocked as long as you are soff. just remember DONT use faux hboot and relock boot loader.