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Hello,
I just switched to the EVO LTE and was wondering why there were two development forums?
One says EVO LTE Android Development, and the other says Original EVO LTE Android Development.
Whats the difference?
Basically, the "Original" development section is meant for work that is groundbreaking or new for this phone. Examples of this include kernels, CM9/CM10 development, MIUI development, and very special Sense ROMs. The other section is meant for the rest, which would be ROMs that use other ROMs as bases or ROMs that advertise mostly placebo effects as features.
Think of the "Original" section as "the big firsts".
Theres a sticky right at the top of the original android dev forum that explains it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761432
It gets all to confusing. A rom like viper lte is in the original section, but its base out of the pokemon rom and its scene base so its definitely not original. So yeah I still don't get what's the true definition of original.
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Viper 4g is not based on pokemon, it was built ground up on the new ruu and is a collaboration of the viper and pokemon teams, now known as team venom.
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mrlakadaddy said:
Viper 4g is not based on pokemon, it was built ground up on the new ruu and is a collaboration of the viper and pokemon teams, now known as team venom.
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You could have fooled me.
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shook187 said:
It gets all to confusing. A rom like viper lte is in the original section, but its base out of the pokemon rom and its scene base so its definitely not original. So yeah I still don't get what's the true definition of original.
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You're one of the people who is taking "Original" literally, which is why you're confused. It doesn't mean that a ROM has to be made from scratch, it means that it has to display a considerate amount of original work. Venom ROM is in the "Original" section because it has many features that no other Sense ROM does, like the extensive tweaks. These tweaks represent a huge amount of effort made by the developers.
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You're one of the people who is taking "Original" literally, which is why you're confused. It doesn't mean that a ROM has to be made from scratch, it means that it has to display a considerate amount of original work. Venom ROM is in the "Original" section because it has many features that no other Sense ROM does, like the extensive tweaks. These tweaks represent a huge amount of effort made by the developers.
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You mean the same tweaks found in the pokemon rom?
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shook187 said:
You mean the same tweaks found in the pokemon rom?
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The Pokemon ROM is no longer in development, and has been replaced by Venom ROM. Why the hell would we keep a dead ROM in the "Original" section when there is essentially a newer version of it available?
He's never flashed it soo...
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SoraX64 said:
The Pokemon ROM is no longer in development, and has been replaced by Venom ROM. Why the hell would we keep a dead ROM in the "Original" section when there is essentially a newer version of it available?
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Let it go.
His mind is already made up about the facts.
First, Welcome to the EVO LTE section!! Youll love the device!
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OP as noted refer to the thread already on this here..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1761432
there is also a post in the portal on the change.
I am curious as to why there is a lack of develoment on a quadcore/1080p spec phone? Is it in large part to HTC being stingey with it's kernel source code?
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What are you talking about, there's plenty of development on this device.
My biggest issue with the DNA is having to pick a rom to flash...
Might I suggest checking out the development and original development threads?
You can currently follow along with joelz while they trouble shoot a new port.
AOSP
CM10
MIUI
Sense 4
Sense 5
Several kernels
Looks like development to me.
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cuseme said:
I am curious as to why there is a lack of develoment on a quadcore/1080p spec phone? Is it in large part to HTC being stingey with it's kernel source code?
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Hmm... Can't tell if serious or troll
shobon said:
What are you talking about, there's plenty of development on this device.
My biggest issue with the DNA is having to pick a rom to flash...
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You may be blind sir...
cstrife999 said:
You may be blind sir...
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Im thinking that may be the case
Bigandrewgold said:
Im thinking that may be the case
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In that case it's impressive that he or she was able to spell correctly lol.
cstrife999 said:
In that case it's impressive that he or she was able to spell correctly lol.
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Braille
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Braille
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... Of Course!!! I'm dumb.
cstrife999 said:
... Of Course!!! I'm dumb.
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Seriously, is there something you want that is not developed such as a specific rom, kernel, recovery, etc?
I think there is plenty of development for the DNA. What could you possibly want? Everything has already been listed. It's leagues ahead of the Droid Razr I used to have. Let's not forget that a new method for S-off is still pretty new. That's the major reason why development was lagging behind and since then it's been booming. You already have several different 4.2.2 AOSP roms to choose from. Then you have the Sense 4+ and 5 roms that are perfect. I personally don't see how development is so bad.
Mnorton1228 said:
I think there is plenty of development for the DNA. What could you possibly want? Everything has already been listed. It's leagues ahead of the Droid Razr I used to have. Let's not forget that a new method for S-off is still pretty new. That's the major reason why development was lagging behind and since then it's been booming. You already have several different 4.2.2 AOSP roms to choose from. Then you have the Sense 4+ and 5 roms that are perfect. I personally don't see how development is so bad.
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Cause some people like 40+ copies of the same rom with different names. lol
cstrife999 said:
Cause some people like 40+ copies of the same rom with different names. lol
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There are no two ROMs that are the same right now in the original android development section.
If you go try each one out you will see that they really are very different.
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Is it because they are mostly built from the same base? I can see that being confusing to some, thinking there is no real development going on.. However, the same base != the same rom. There is real development going on for our device and all other devices on these forums.. I for one feel we have plenty to choose from and things are only going to get better and easier down the road... May have an official Sense 5 rom for the devs to play around with if Verizon gets things going.. I love it here!! Am I wrong? :good: :highfive::highfive:
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There are no two ROMs that are the same right now in the original android development section.
If you go try each one out you will see that they really are very different.
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That was sarcasm. In other words most of our roms have a completely different feel. On the GNex there were a lot of dups for sure.
Considering that this is a Verizon exclusive, locked bootloader, low popularity, CDMA phone, I'd say that delopement here is going pretty good. We have plenty of Roms, consisting of stock Sense 4 based, Sense 5 based, and CM/AOSP based. We even have an alpha build of Sense 5 4.2.2! We also have decent kernel development, 2 or 3 for AOSP and several for Sense. I've come to trust @.torrented and @pio_masaki for giving you the best overall user experience and working with the user to fix and repair not only their ROMs but miscellaneous bugs completely unrelated to them. These two have made it a truly great dev community. Because of these two, I am perfectly fine with the stage of development on our devices. If either of you are reading this, I love you guys!
If extensive development is what you want, get off Verizon and buy a Nexus 4 or a Google Edition HTC One/SGS4
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We also have MIUI!!!
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_phoey said:
Considering that this is a Verizon exclusive, locked bootloader, low popularity, CDMA phone, I'd say that delopement here is going pretty good. We have plenty of Roms, consisting of stock Sense 4 based, Sense 5 based, and CM/AOSP based. We even have an alpha build of Sense 5 4.2.2! We also have decent kernel development, 2 or 3 for AOSP and several for Sense. I've come to trust @.torrented and @pio_masaki for giving you the best overall user experience and working with the user to fix and repair not only their ROMs but miscellaneous bugs completely unrelated to them. These two have made it a truly great dev community. Because of these two, I am perfectly fine with the stage of development on our devices. If either of you are reading this, I love you guys!
If extensive development is what you want, get off Verizon and buy a Nexus 4 or a Google Edition HTC One/SGS4
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I don't think it has "low popularity" lol... Considering up till a month or so ago it was top selling if not near so on Verizon.
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cstrife999 said:
I don't think it has "low popularity" lol... Considering up till a month or so ago it was top selling if not near so on Verizon.
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Don't get me wrong, its an amazing phone that could easily compete with the SGS4, but it's Verizon exclusive so it never made it to that status. It was a mistake on Verizons and HTCs part to make this beast a carrier exclusive.
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cstrife999 said:
I don't think it has "low popularity" lol... Considering up till a month or so ago it was top selling if not near so on Verizon.
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well, considering that verizon sells the iphone and the SGS4 (and the SGS3 if you want to talk about 2012), will them having close to 50% and 30% market share, respectively, i dont really see how the DNA could have been anywhere near a top seller. not to mention the note 2 and others. i would probably label this phone "unpopular". most people have never even heard of this phone. i'm glad they are making the "droid" branding exclusive to motorola. the DNA's exclusivity to Verizon killed the awesome potential this phone had. but still, i think we have awesome development. except, i dont understand why we have 5 million aosp roms.
Both are in Verizon thread section for S4. Thanks.
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My understanding is that Android Development is modification of TouchWiz based ROMs and Original is anything that wouldn't fall under that category such as AOSP ROMs, custom Kernels, etc.
EvoRocker said:
My understanding is that Android Development is modification of TouchWiz based ROMs and Original is anything that wouldn't fall under that category such as AOSP ROMs, custom Kernels, etc.
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Makes sense. If anyone knows of anything different please chime in.
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Original is for original work. Regular is for any modified, ported,tweaked,themed work.
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EvoRocker said:
My understanding is that Android Development is modification of TouchWiz based ROMs and Original is anything that wouldn't fall under that category such as AOSP ROMs, custom Kernels, etc.
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This is how I see it as well. I was confused for quite some time until I finally realized the difference
You guys aren't getting it. The regular development isn't just for touchwiz ROMs. It's also for ports or additional work to roms that the dev didn't do THE ORIGINAL work to.
If it's not new or ground breaking or an original piece of work it doesn't belong in original.
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Dubbsy said:
You guys aren't getting it. The regular development isn't just for touchwiz ROMs. It's also for ports or additional work to roms that the dev didn't do THE ORIGINAL work to.
If it's not new or ground breaking or an original piece of work it doesn't belong in original.
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Exactly. There are a couple aosp ports threw now like avatar and chameleon os
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Oh I got the impression that original was for developers only section lol
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motorsports601 said:
Oh I got the impression that original was for developers only section lol
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No, the developer only section is for developers only.
To be fair though, only people actively developing should be making new threads in either of the development sections.
What is the difference between these two forums below:
Sprint Galaxy Note 3 Android Development
AND
Sprint Galaxy Note 3 Original Android Development
Being that the phone just came out, I'm a bit confused at there being an original dev forum and a dev forum. There being two of the same forums for the HTC EVO 4G LTE would make sense since the phone has been out for more than year, I could see the reason for the Orig Dev forum being for the early devs and the other forum being for newer dev progress.
One is Touchwiz, the other is AOSP
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Original work includes kernels, recoveries, ROMs built from source, apps/mods written from scratch, and ROMs with extensive mods integrated into it (for example, think of Viper4G on the Evo LTE).
The rest goes on the normal Android Development forum (including ROMs ported from other devices)
Apparently you didn't read the very first thread inside of the original development forum. This is in almost, if not every, forum for every device.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465986
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I was just curious why there is no development oft a miui Rom for the one x+,don't get me wrong i am not complaining i really apreciate the work you guys are Doing for us without getting anything in return. I was just curious as i think that miui is a cool rom
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jizang said:
I was just curious why there is no development oft a miui Rom for the one x+,don't get me wrong i am not complaining i really apreciate the work you guys are Doing for us without getting anything in return. I was just curious as i think that miui is a cool rom
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I know right. i wish there was a MIUI ROM for the HOX+
Developers will probably tell you "MIUI isn't open-source enough"..so yeah lol
backb0ne5p1d0r said:
I know right. i wish there was a MIUI ROM for the HOX+
Developers will probably tell you "MIUI isn't open-source enough"..so yeah lol
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Too bad miui is a cool Rom with great features wish there was one for our phone
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There is one from 2012. It's based on cm10 but it has many bugs! :|
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There are porting guides out there that you can try and port it to your HOX+ . If you have the international version, you can base it off of your cm10 . Unfortunately for the ATT users (like me), we dont have a working cm10 to base ours from. I tried porting it using a sense base and I only got to bootanimation.
The problem with the HOX+ is that, despite being a great phone, it has a very small community and, at least on the inter-side, almost all developers have moved on to different phones.
One of the biggest HOX+ inter rom/kernel developers just broke his HOX+ too, as far as I can see all active non-Sense rom developers depended on him to some degree.
With, AFAIK, the last kernel developer/maintainer gone, even existing roms will start having a hard time staying up to date, as no-one will be able to fix kernel bugs or implement new kernel features that roms may require upstream.
I'm afraid that if you want something new for the HOX+, you'll have to make it yourself, there's no-one left to do it for you anymore, unfortunately.
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The problem with the HOX+ is that, despite being a great phone, it has a very small community and, at least on the inter-side, almost all developers have moved on to different phones.
One of the biggest HOX+ inter rom/kernel developers just broke his HOX+ too, as far as I can see all active non-Sense rom developers depended on him to some degree.
With, AFAIK, the last kernel developer/maintainer gone, even existing roms will start having a hard time staying up to date, as no-one will be able to fix kernel bugs or implement new kernel features that roms may require upstream.
I'm afraid that if you want something new for the HOX+, you'll have to make it yourself, there's no-one left to do it for you anymore, unfortunately.
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I don't know who you're talking about. But if that developer is Lloir then believe me it wouldn't matter. Cause people asked him ages ago if he can make a MIUI ROM.. He said it's not open-source enough. And he also said he just can't stand MIUI.
I do agree with the small community thing though, I wish I bought a One X instead of the One X+
And I'm planning on buying an HTC M8 but I'm afraid it will have a small community so less ROMs and developers :|
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backb0ne5p1d0r said:
I don't know who you're talking about. But if that developer is Lloir then believe me it wouldn't matter. Cause people asked him ages ago if he can make a MIUI ROM.. He said it's not open-source enough. And he also said he just can't stand MIUI.
I do agree with the small community thing though, I wish I bought a One X instead of the One X+
And I'm planning on buying an HTC M8 but I'm afraid it will have a small community so less ROMs and developers :|
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I was indeed talking about Lloir. Indeed, Lloir won't have been the one to make Miui in any case, but he was the last remaining active kernel maintainer, something pretty much any other rom developer is depending on.
Plus, most rom developers for the HOX+ learned how to develop roms for the HOX+ from him in the first place.
While Lloir won't be making Miui, I think that, as long as no new kernel developer/maintainer will stand up, the HOX+ dev community will rapidly dry up completely, unfortunately.
That said however, we've been very lucky to have had these few talented developers in the first place (and still have a few), I've always been impressed at what the HOX+ community could do, despite it's size.
True that (Y) I don't know why but I'm not being able to quote you or press the thanks button o.o
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Maybe someday one developer will try and make a miui Rom.
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