Can be verified if zerohedge . com article "The NSA Has Inserted Its Code Into Android OS, Or Three Quarters Of All Smartphones" is right and what can be done?
Sorry I can not post the link as I am a new user.
Geronimo1966 said:
Can be verified of zerohedge . com article "The NSA Has Inserted Its Code Into Android OS, Or Three Quarters Of All Smartphones" is right and what can be done?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't be a terrorist?
Berties123 said:
Don't be a terrorist?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry I do not like big brother is watching me. So any information how to tackle is more then welcome.
It's open source so some millions of developers could have a look...
dancress said:
It's open source so some millions of developers could have a look...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes but rather thin... as when used a customized ROM how to verify the NSA code is deleted?
I would also love some more information on this. I'd like to believe that cyanogen and other roms built from source have excluded it.
So... does anyone knows about this? What code is it exactly? Did any developer had a look at it ? Or we are supposed to be afraid or uncle sam?
Jeff Zemlin, the executive director of the Linux Foundation, says the NSA didn’t add any obvious means of eavesdropping. “This code was peer-reviewed by a lot of people,” he says.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Bloomberg News
To the best of my knowledge, the code is actually security enhancements. As much as they love compromising our privacy, it's not in the government's interest to have the phones of businessmen, politicians, etc compromised by a third party. They might even be helping the average Joe for once.
They did the same thing with linux, and no one found any nefarious code there.
I believe the government also uses some open-source tools for its server needs (Prism must need some advanced software ), so it makes sense they contribute back.
Berties123 said:
Don't be a terrorist?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Geronimo1966 said:
Sorry I do not like big brother is watching me. So any information how to tackle is more then welcome.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep you should be scared they may know you poop with on your phone.
Why should you care if your not a terrorist. And your talking about tackling the nsa are you one? If not stfu nobody cares.
MidnightDevil said:
So... does anyone knows about this? What code is it exactly? Did any developer had a look at it ? Or we are supposed to be afraid or uncle sam?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep be scared of America there bad go to another country and be forced to be a suicide bomber.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
bbrad said:
Yep you should be scared they may know you poop with on your phone.
Why should you care if your not a terrorist. And your talking about tackling the nsa are you one? If not stfu nobody cares.
Yep be scared of America there bad go to another country and be forced to be a suicide bomber.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honestly, the fact that you don't care doesn't mean anyone else doesn't.
Maybe you should look upon the dictionary and look for "privacy". Meanwhile, while you're at it, study some english. Might do you some good.
MidnightDevil said:
Honestly, the fact that you don't care doesn't mean anyone else doesn't.
Maybe you should look upon the dictionary and look for "privacy". Meanwhile, while you're at it, study some english. Might do you some good.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Privacy is locking the bathroom door.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
Source ?
Whats the source of this information ?
Whose privacy is enhanced - ours or theirs?
Embluss said:
To the best of my knowledge, the code is actually security enhancements. As much as they love compromising our privacy, it's not in the government's interest to have the phones of businessmen, politicians, etc compromised by a third party. They might even be helping the average Joe for once.
They did the same thing with linux, and no one found any nefarious code there.
I believe the government also uses some open-source tools for its server needs (Prism must need some advanced software ), so it makes sense they contribute back.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Whose privacy is enhanced - ours or theirs? Although the NSA might be interested in protecting US citizens from being spied upon by other intelligence service they want total access to anyones data for themselves, irrespective of whether they are businessmen, lawyers, politicians, civil right activist, hackers or terrorist. Everyone. Saying that there is nothing to worry about if one is not a terrorist is PROPAGANDA.
Who believes that the security services are only interested in terrorists might well be short sighted.
I am surprised that this issue has not generated more interest. Perhaps the majority of Android programmers and users do not care much about being under mass surveilance. BTW, there is no privacy in the bathroom if you've got your smartphone with you.
guptashubham123 said:
Whats the source of this information ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
See:
pcfascist said:
Bloomberg News
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
SELinux
The enhancements they're referring to are the SELinux extensions for Android.
The article is obviously a bit paranoid about what the NSA is adding to Android (who wouldn't be, #amirite) but the SELinux extensions are a framework that adds needed access controls, etc to the mainline security model for linux and by extension: Android.
If you don't like it, you can switch to BBOs or WindowsPhone or iOS...I'm sure those are much safer.
Although I'm disgusted by the disclosures in re the NSA and the direction this country has taken, I'm happy to see the SELinux extensions working their way into Android, I want my device to be as safe as possible.
nolsen311 said:
The enhancements they're referring to are the SELinux extensions for Android.
The article is obviously a bit paranoid about what the NSA is adding to Android (who wouldn't be, #amirite) but the SELinux extensions are a framework that adds needed access controls, etc to the mainline security model for linux and by extension: Android.
If you don't like it, you can switch to BBOs or WindowsPhone or iOS...I'm sure those are much safer.
Although I'm disgusted by the disclosures in re the NSA and the direction this country has taken, I'm happy to see the SELinux extensions working their way into Android, I want my device to be as safe as possible.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not paranoid I could care less if they spy on me lol. So could the rest of family if you don't have nothing to hide not worth worrying about. Not saying your a bomber LOL or you shouldn't be worried just saying I'm not.
Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2
bbrad said:
Privacy is locking the bathroom door.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As long as you leave you phone outside the bathroom (or - better - remove its battery)... :cyclops:
But seriously:
All this shouldn't have ever become legal!
The law desperately needs to be changed if it allows interception of private communication on such a large scale. Not only this violates the Fourth Amendment... confidentiality of private communication was always a good indicator of a lawful state and freedom of its people. And one of the major factors of the so called "checks and balances" system. Depriving people of their right to communicate confidentially effectively removes their control powers because they cannot organise freely, without being supervised.
This creates a long term foundation for tyranny...
glorifyday said:
As long as you leave you phone outside the bathroom (or - better - remove its battery)... :cyclops:
But seriously:
All this shouldn't have ever become legal!
The law desperately needs to be changed if it allows interception of private communication on such a large scale. Not only this violates the Fourth Amendment... confidentiality of private communication was always a good indicator of a lawful state and freedom of its people. And one of the major factors of the so called "checks and balances" system. Depriving people of their right to communicate confidentially effectively removes their control powers because they cannot organise freely, without being supervised.
This creates a long term foundation for tyranny...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Indeed!
Freedom is already threatened, if people cannot trust that they can communicate freely in privacy. When Big Data meets Big Brother it's freedom's biggest nightmare as our civil liberties are at risk. The NSA mass surveillance already becomes normalized by them sharing (selected) information with FBI, CIA, military, foreign intelligence services and governments. It's reach is way beyond tracking terrorists. I hope there will be ways to stop Western democracies from turning into police states.
bbrad said:
I'm not paranoid I could care less if they spy on me lol. So could the rest of family if you don't have nothing to hide not worth worrying about. Not saying your a bomber LOL or you shouldn't be worried just saying I'm not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is the most asinine reasoning I've ever heard, and it seems to be repeated on a daily basis by people who feel like they're somehow exempt from suspicion.
You DO realize that once you come up on the radar of law enforcement that you're automatically assumed to be guilty? This stockpile of information will then become a treasure trove of valuable data on every minor infraction you've ever committed whether intentionally or not. Given that the legal code is full of over 10,000 distinct crimes, it's quite likely that you're guilty of something. You might also consider that the law changes over time and that laws might be enacted which you will retroactively be found guilty of.
TL;DR All the moral high ground in the world won't help you if the government decides to prosecute you. They can afford to stay in court forever; you can't.
EFF Tips for talking to the police
Related
Tiny Wings Bounce you play as the bird who cant fly because he is too fat. However press anywhere on the lower and middle of screen and he can bounce.Collect yellow coins to add time on the timer , collect blue coins to add double yellow coins time to the timer. Windows mobile WVGA 800x480 resolution. For smooth performance turn off othe running apps.
Features:
Highscore save to challenge yourself over and over.
Background color changes to reflect time is running out.
Catchy music and sound-effects.
How to play
Tap anywhere on the screen to bounce
If you collect a yellow coin , tap again to do double and triple jumps.
Extra: If anyone can make a good video put it on youtube and here , I will send you a computer version you can play on your PC.
Original Tiny Wings game made by Andreas illger for iphone.
So what type of highscores does everyone have? 40,000 , 50,000 or 100,000 . I look forward to seeing screenshots posted.
Hi, I will get the ball rolling. After playing this addicting game for a while, my highest score thus far is 63,010 points.
Edit: My new high score is 84,170 points.
http://www.andreasilliger.com/
I hope you got permission for that audio.
link68759 said:
http://www.andreasilliger.com/
I hope you got permission for that audio.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well I got the audio from a video not his website. I love when people somehow become police around here. Iam not selling the game but providing freeware. I love it !!! I make a freeware game and someone always comes with copywrite stuff all the time.
Look Iam making games so that when people get bored they can play for FREE. Its not like Iam making a million dollars ripping someone off!!! Iam making zero,$0,nada,nothing from this game. I swear people start this non-sense because they have no life.
Well I'm not gonna do anything about it, but someone else might; people are police around here cuz xda as a whole is trying to keep a clean professional rep. In general, mobile piracy happens mostly on forums, and xda doesn't want to be associated with that.
The least you could do is say "inspired by" and "music / noises by" in your first post, and provide a link to the iOS game...
Also, it's not nonsense; the US government (and most of the world for that matter) haven't yet decided how to handle copyright cases, and so there are a lot of unreasonable consequences forced upon the defendant. Even for petty cases, the courts and government turn a blind eye to illegal responses (and in excessive force) by companies "protecting" their content. Even in something as small as this, for your own good, cover your back.
link68759 said:
Well I'm not gonna do anything about it, but someone else might; people are police around here cuz xda as a whole is trying to keep a clean professional rep. In general, mobile piracy happens mostly on forums, and xda doesn't want to be associated with that.
The least you could do is say "inspired by" and "music / noises by" in your first post, and provide a link to the iOS game...
Also, it's not nonsense; the US government (and most of the world for that matter) haven't yet decided how to handle copyright cases, and so there are a lot of unreasonable consequences forced upon the defendant. Even for petty cases, the courts and government turn a blind eye to illegal responses (and in excessive force) by companies "protecting" their content. Even in something as small as this, for your own good, cover your back.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So in your mind me using the music is equivelent to piracy. So how about all the
ROMs and android working on windows mobile , do you think thats legal?
If you didnt know Tiny Wings is an iphone game , which most people do , its not my fault.
Look at flash games that use mario or sonic , look at the internet as a whole. Piracy is giving away payed goods for free or making money off of someones work.
Obviously you dont even know the definition of Piracy if you think Iam a pirate Hahahahaha . Now thats too funny , also Mr.Andreas already knows about my port and doesnt care .
Freeware=Piracy LOL!!!
I do not think this is piracy, I merely pointed out that forums such as these are easily susceptible to unknowingly hosting several kinds of illicit data. If whatshisface is ok with it so be it, but I still think you should give him credit for the idea out of common decency.
I have not been attacking you at all, so stop being overly defensive.
link68759 said:
I do not think this is piracy, I merely pointed out that forums such as these are easily susceptible to unknowingly hosting several kinds of illicit data. If whatshisface is ok with it so be it, but I still think you should give him credit for the idea out of common decency.
I have not been attacking you at all, so stop being overly defensive.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
In a way you have been attacking him and continue too by calling his game illicit data.. are you an xda Mod? No i didn't think so, so stop trying to police this thread!! If you have a problem with it use the report button thats what it's there for!! Can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't get defensive if you spent countless hours making fun games to share for FREE, then instead of getting thanked, all you get in return is "I hope you got permission for that audio."? Give OP a break, I'm sure if it was such a problem xda wouldn't allow him to continually share his works here!!
@ Op.. Thanks again for sharing all your fun games with us!!
lnando84 said:
In a way you have been attacking him and continue too by calling his game illicit data.. are you an xda Mod? No i didn't think so, so stop trying to police this thread!! If you have a problem with it use the report button thats what it's there for!! Can you honestly sit there and say you wouldn't get defensive if you spent countless hours making fun games to share for FREE, then instead of getting thanked, all you get in return is "I hope you got permission for that audio."? Give OP a break, I'm sure if it was such a problem xda wouldn't allow him to continually share his works here!!
@ Op.. Thanks again for sharing all your fun games with us!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am merely giving a friendly warning. Technically, it isn't legal even if it's non profit...
link68759 said:
I am merely giving a friendly warning. Technically, it isn't legal even if it's non profit...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Again let xda deal with it if it's not legal! I still fail to see how your comment "I hope you got permission for that audio" translates to a so called friendly warning? You would have pm'ed him your message or would have worded it differently if your intent was to be friendly. To me it seems like your trying to start trouble here and get it removed.
zarpy said:
So how about all the
ROMs and android working on windows mobile , do you think thats legal?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Also, yeah, this stuff is perfectly legal.
lnando84 said:
Again let xda deal with it if it's not legal! I still fail to see how your comment "I hope you got permission for that audio" translates to a so called friendly warning? You would have pm'ed him your message or would have worded it differently if your intent was to be friendly. To me it seems like your trying to start trouble here and get it removed.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Instead of "letting xda deal with it", you could, you know, give credit and cover your back so xda doesn't have to deal with it. If I were trying to get it removed, I would have actually done something. Talking to you guys about covering your backs isn't starting trouble...
Also, "friendly warning" = no repercussions. I'm warning him, I'm not calling him out on it or tipping off anyone. I'm not being nice about it either, because not giving credit to the author is very discourteous, legality aside.
link68759 said:
Instead of "letting xda deal with it", you could, you know, give credit and cover your back so xda doesn't have to deal with it. If I were trying to get it removed, I would have actually done something. Talking to you guys about covering your backs isn't starting trouble...
Also, "friendly warning" = no repercussions. I'm warning him, I'm not calling him out on it or tipping off anyone. I'm not being nice about it either, because not giving credit to the author is very discourteous, legality aside.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No actually that would be warning = no repercussions. You claimed "friendly" when there's been nothing friendly about any of your posts in this thread. You're acting as if he took the original, resized it, and is now calling it his own or as if he owes you something. Like I said if it was such a problem xda would/could make appropriate changes not you!! You shared your views and gave your "friendly" warning to the op so move on already!!
I ,like many other users, appreciate the hard work and time OP puts into bringing us all these amazing games! So lets get this thread back on track.. Any new high scores out there??
lnando84 said:
No actually that would be warning = no repercussions. You claimed "friendly" when there's been nothing friendly about any of your posts in this thread. You're acting as if he took the original, resized it, and is now calling it his own or as if he owes you something. Like I said if it was such a problem xda would/could make appropriate changes not you!! You shared your views and gave your "friendly" warning to the op so move on already!!
I ,like many other users, appreciate the hard work and time OP puts into bringing us all these amazing games! So lets get this thread back on track.. Any new high scores out there??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why don't you let OP fight his own battles, please?
Look Timmy Marsh is the Moderator for this forum. If he says its ok then its ok end of story.
1)This game is all over the internet , no problems as the developer Andreas knows about this game.
2)Also everybody knows about the iphone game that Andreas made. Its like angry birds , everyone knows who made that game.
3)I never ever said I originally made this game. All I say is I brought it here for everyone to enjoy.
So your one of the few people who are still waiting for developers to make iphone/ipod games for windows mobile6.1,6.5. Its never going to happen , we never gotten that type of support. XDA-developers was started because Micro-soft didnt give windows mobile proper support . I got sick and tired of not having games that I want on my phone , so now I make them. I share them here so other people can play too. ALL FREE! The reason I get upset is because people always complaining I stole someone works which is ridiculous.
zarpy said:
Look Timmy Marsh is the Moderator for this forum. If he says its ok then its ok end of story.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am not saying this is a rip off, or is stolen, or etc. But unless you acknowledge the source, you kind of give off that impression. That was my initial impression; and now I see that impression was wrong ONLY after we've had this argument. Which brings me to my next point;
The reason I get upset is because people always complaining I stole someone works which is ridiculous.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe if you posted a link to the original work, people would stop getting that idea. Just acknowledge the author or source some way, as standard procedure. If you clearly mention right off the bat; "This is a clone of the game [x] for the [y]" then no one will think you're hiding something, or covering it up.
"I never ever said I originally made this game. All I say is I brought it here for everyone to enjoy."
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
While technically correct, this is misleading; if you have no problem admitting this is a clone, why not just say... this is a clone of [insert source here]? Don't be misleading, that arouses suspicion.
I never mis-lead anyone , how long have you been here? I have made Mario games, doodle jump,angry birds etc. Games everyone knows I didnt come up with myself. If you didnt know who made those big games by now I would be shocked!
Now the way you just carried on and keep going , Iam %100 sure you wanted to start a fight. The conversation is going no-where and what your saying right now is sounding real stupid. Your going to tell me people dont know who made Super Mario,doodle jump,angry birds, or tiny wings , thats a laugh.
Iam supposed to post a link to an iphone game that doesnt even run on windows mobile , are you serious? Thats the stupidest thing I heard yet , thanks for the laugh by the way. You said its legal to change ROMs and run Android on windows mobile shows me you dont even know what your talking about. Did you know Microsoft tried to shut down XDA because of ROM a long time ago? No you didnt. Did you know apple tried to sue when XDA had a iphone screen run on windows mobile? No you didnt. All you know is how to harrass me , hahahaha. Go make an original game post it here and show me how its done LOL.
zarpy said:
Your going to tell me people dont know who made Super Mario,doodle jump,angry birds, or tiny wings , thats a laugh.
Iam supposed to post a link to an iphone game that doesnt even run on windows mobile , are you serious?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know of super mario, but I have never heard of doodle jump or angry birds. I happen to know of tiny wings by chance; don't assume that everyone knows about a game just because of popularity. And I think we can safely assume that the users here know an iOS app won't run on their wm device, but that isn't the purpose of posting a link; listing the source for any work is just a standard and respectable practice... Your seniority in this forum doesn't change that fact, nor does it have anything to do with this argument...
I'm not going to address the rest of your comment, but I will say this; just because a company whines about something doesn't make it illegal (they probably wish it was). Those were accusations, nothing more.
I am not looking for a fight, I merely continued because I thought you would listen to reason, but apparently we just cannot agree on this point... and since you don't seem to be able to carry out an argument without resorting to ad hominem, I'm ending my involvement here.
link68759 said:
~snip~
I'm ending my involvement here.
~snip~
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
I agree with link68759 with the music, Andreas Illiger explicitly states that the Tiny Wings music "is not for use in other movies, games, tv shows, etc. and you should not earn any money with it or distribute it in any form."
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Remember the ad for the Touchpad? The one that uses "Works like nothing else" ?
As I'm sure you've probably already heard, Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:26 PM, Apple sent out an email ad that directly uses Hp's classic ad slogan.
What kind of marketing strategy is this supposed to be?
HP Using the Slogan
http://www.hp.com/united-states/webos/us/en/tablet/touchpad.html
Apple Using the Same Slogan
http://images.apple.com/dm/us/11/4831/i/ttl.gif
Apple tends to steal things straight like this all the time, one of many reasons I hate the company. Remember what Jobs said: Good artists copy, great artists steal.
HP won't be needing it anymore
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
yareally said:
I showed my apple fanboy friend the said evidence and all he said was "Apple probably did it first."
*facepalm*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
dhiral.v said:
This is exactly what happens with the fruity loyalists or should I say iDiots!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
ah but there is a subtle distinction, HP's is WORK and Apple is everything. Probably enough of a difference to get by a court.
Well, I guess if that's how you dig up dirt on the competition, then I'm all for it...
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
muyoso said:
Apple actually says that their ipad2 does things. Hp is just saying that you will be surprised how buggy and slow their OS is after buying their tablet for 80% off retail. Basically HP was being sarcastic. Lose sound on your previously 500 dollar tablet on a daily basis and have to resort to command lines or restarting to get it back??? "Works like nothing else".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
yareally said:
That apple product better do "things" when it costs at least 400 dollars
Also there's a patch in preware to restart the audio (pulse audio) with a press of a button. I guess you didn't take the advice of someone else to install preware when you were complaining about the lack of a video player that works?
I mean really, I am not sure the touchpad is for you. Perhaps you should sell it to someone who wants to develop for it at the price you paid for it? Not trying to be mean, but it really doesn't seem like you have tried doing much of anything other than complain. There's solutions out there, they just require you to root and install the community stuff, but this is xda after all and people should be used to doing those things.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
First, when HP made this ad the Touchpad was the same price as the iPad . . . I have preware, installed the first day I had the Touchpad, first thing I did with it after initial setup. I have done all due diligence to get this thing functional, and its not. The patch you speak of is not a fix. Its not a solution. Its exactly what you call it, a patch, over a gaping wound in the OS. Having to tap an icon to have it run the simple command line "stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio" is not a fix. Its a ridiculous workaround that should never have had to exist in the first place. One thing I have found though is that users of WebOS are some of the largest apologists for GAPING bugs I have ever met, especially over on precentral. Reminds me of Windows Mobile days. Here is evidence that I knew about this patch before your kind of snotty reply: http://forums.precentral.net/3164593-post194.html
Don't worry, the Touchpad IS for me. WebOS is what's not for me. It stinks in its current form, which is sad because of how much potential it has.
---------- Post added at 12:51 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:49 AM ----------
nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What are you even talking about? Tell me how to stop WebOS from losing sound, not how to restart it which I already knew using the Xterm method and which I already read about the patch over on precentral earlier today. Tell me how to get a semi functional browser which isn't ridiculously slow on WebOS. Not asking for anything to be handed to me. I am not the normal complainer who can't do 5 minutes of research. I have spent hours since I got this thing trying to fix bugs until I gave up and chose to wait for Android to be ported.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, my initial comment in this thread was a JOKE, which both of you took seriously. Remember what a joke is?
Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
yareally said:
Such anger over an OS, lol. Linux always has bugs, it's just the nature of linux, even android has them
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
muyoso said:
Not mad at the OS at all. Annoyed perhaps. Also annoyed at your response to what was a joke, which made several false assumptions.
I understand bugs completely. I don't understand how HP thought this thing was ready for primetime or how it was worth iPad prices in its current form.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I suggest making it more obvious you're joking next time, lol. This is the internet after all.
yareally said:
Yep, they also think Apple invented the mouse first and the GUI "windowed" OS
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They assume that everything was invented first by Apple. I told my friend about the new iOS notifications system on iOS 5 and how they, pretty much, stole it from android and his response was: "yea but look at how many things android has stolen." Talk about ignorance.
nunjabusiness said:
Ahhh, but in America, you are now taught (and shown) that you are entitled to have everything handed to you without actually working for it.
Successful entrepreneurs and businesses are punished with bigger taxes and people who can't cut the mustard have it spread for them by our liberal government.
Welfare mothers with 15 children drive Escalades around here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That makes no sense as a rebuttle
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
BrianDigital said:
That makes no sense as a rebuttle
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was a rather big stretch to tie in one's political viewpoint and observations with a posting on Apple stealing, lol.
You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
DreamOWD said:
You know, I kind of figured that it was an inside thing. Maybe HP and Apple are the same people?
Maybe it was- maybe it was all a test. I mean, why else would Apple do something like that. And it's gotten very little coverage mind you.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
vast tech conspiracy
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Read the article.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
yccheok said:
Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well that obviously depends on your usage - I rarely get crashes or FCs.
iOS doesn't pop up an error message, so you notice it less
yccheok said:
Not exactly sure how the survey was done. I have access to IPad and Samsung Galaxy Tab. In fact, I realize my Samsung Galaxy Tab slower and crashes more often than IPad.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
iOS is written so that no error message is given when something crashes. This is pure dishonesty in my book. To regular people like yourself, no error message means everything is OK.
The following article explained how they came to the conclusion.
http://www.redmondpie.com/study-reveals-that-ios-apps-crash-more-frequently-than-android/
It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
the_main_app said:
It's not really a fair comparison. It's like trying to compare Mac crashes vs crashes of windows. iOS is only one one set of hardware and doesn't require as much as work for compatibility. An android app may work flawlessy on 80% of devices but crashes on the other 20% due to different hardware and or software mods. iOS developers don't have to worry about these issues.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
canhnv said:
It's the exact reason. Moreover, the Android Market doesn't take ages to censor your application before publishing. That also make some un-mature application running on devices
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
alex2792 said:
Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually there has been malware on ios market despite its review process. And you don't need av on android if you use market, av can't stop a malware app before it gets on your phone so they are not much use.
Dave
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk
alex2792 said:
Apple doesn't "censor" anyone they have guidelines that developers agree to when signing up. If you're not comfortable then you can go develop for another platform. The reason all apps have a review process is to assure best possible experience for the users. This is why Apple doesn't have a malware problem that requires you to run anti-virus software on your phone. Strangely enough even with all this "censorship" in place the devs are still flocking to the platform more than Android.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
iOS and Macs both get malware and virus's despite people saying they're immune or they don't get any. Neither Android nor iOS has any real issue with malware, but Android offers more "virus checking" apps and other similar apps than iOS for sure.
I think it's pretty lame on Apple's part to not display the error messages, pretty much tricking users into thinking everything is ok and it was just a random glitch and not an actual app crash.
Apple does censor in the respect that they do not approve many apps if they do not fit in with their guidelines, which are tough, and for some certain types of apps it makes it impossible to publish even if they're amazing and useful apps.
And yea I can see why many app developers would go to iOS before android.
Because you code 1 thing and it gets pushed out to the most people. Android you have to code 1 thing, then code it again for every device with different hardware or version of the OS.
I'm actually surprised, it would seem Android would have more FCs caused by poorly developed apps or compatibility errors that allow a program to be installed on a non-compatibile device. Not that this is common, but it usually happens with new games. iOS developers can easily test every compatible device, but it would be nearly impossible for Android devs to do the same.
The whole Android virus thing has been blown way out of proportion. Common sense is always the best A/V. Most people get these viruses from downloading warez or risky looking apps in the market. But Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
spunker88 said:
Google has recently added a new verification process for the Market that will check code and run apps in an emulated environment to make sure they are legit before listing them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk
In my use I would say this is even. Ios used to crash less but ios 5 has been a total disaster in my opinion, and crashes and lags have increased dramatically ( company phone, i would never pay for a ios device again). They totally try to hide the crashes by not giving you notice.
Sent from my HTC Flyer P510e using xda premium
ios just for iphone,with same hardware,so all apps in their store are really compatible,but android isnt just for one devices,it is in many different devices from different company with different hardware,so not easy to tell the compatibility..
Sent from my LT18i
mistermentality said:
Any more info on that as it sounds like a very good idea but not seen any thing referring to it before and would be intetested in finding more about that?
Dave
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
spunker88 said:
It was on Droid Life the other day:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/02/google-introduces-bouncer-security-service-for-android/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks. That's a very interesting read
Dave
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk
I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
kidmjf said:
I just came back to the Android community. I had a Captivate when they came out and had nothing but problems with the GPS and it constantly rebooted. I got the iPhone 4 and I have to say, they may not have a message pop up about an error with an app, but I can honestly say that I never had any issues with any app that I used. I love my new Skyrocket, but the same issues are still around. It has rebooted several times and still getting issues with F/C's on some apps. I am trying to figure out why these issues are still around now that Android is getting some age on it? I understand there will always be some issues, but I am about to start missing my small screen!!!! Tell me what how to permanently leave my iPhone in the past and start enjoying this great phone??
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
mcord11758 said:
no simple answer other than learn. What apple has going for it is that it is dummy proof (no offense). You do not need to be curious of how to make things work better they just work as is. With Android, you have the option to learn, mod, flash roms, and improve. I too had a Captivate and all of the issues I had with the device were fixed via custom roms/kernels. I sold it and now use an Iphone for daily business. I would chew my arm off to have my Captivate back as the Iphone 4 is intollerably slower and terribly boring.
So my advise is to either learn or return to the saftey of the shoe box that is an iphone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you prefer a phone that needs to have its warranty voided instead of something that works? You must have a lot of free time on your hands since most normal people would rather not waste hours making their phone functional. I don't have a problem with tweaking the phone to improve performance or personalize it if that's your thing, but it shouldn't be a requirement to make the phone work.
so go back to your shoe box. or, do better research on the device you are buying before you pcik it up. The captivate issues were well known and any small degree of research would of led you to that. And none of the issues were software related they were hardware.
I find it hard to believe that you would come to a development forum and be confused that people who frequent it mod their phones and void their waranties.
We are starting a movement toward HTC to get them to release their source code on a more timely basis such as samsung. We need as many people as we can get to do this with us because they won't listen if only users of 1 devices complains. i know others devices have been held up by htc so we are reaching out to (or at least trying to) all of the htc device forums we can in order to spread the word and get everyone involved. please take a look at the link below as it has all of the info regarding this.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
PETITON: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-to-speed-up-kernel-source-releases?share_id=sLjvObpqne
Edit: the thread and the petition have been reworked in a way that will reflect a more professional stance on the issue. please read it and voice your opinions about it so i can make it better if needed.
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get mad over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
I am not signing a petition that uses terms like "B.S." in the letter. If you want HTC to respond, the letter should be done a bit more professionally and not read like it was written by a pre-teen.
Great idea, though. I am sure there is an appropriate letter to be found somewhere on the interwebs.
BTW, I can't believe that, with all the Verizon delays in releasing ICS, HTC does not already have the source ready for release. The OTA was almost exactly the same as the leak we got a month earlier.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
cflo360 said:
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get made over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Huh? Lol
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda premium
jclendineng said:
Huh? Lol
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exact thoughts I had
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda premium
WookieFan said:
I am not signing a petition that uses terms like "B.S." in the letter. If you want HTC to respond, the letter should be done a bit more professionally and not read like it was written by a pre-teen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree, that's a bit embarrassing. I'm beginning to think this device is mostly owned by people who are teens to early 20's. Between the way petition letter was written and the high school drama on this board over the past several months, I think I may be in the minority owning this phone in my late 30's.
cflo360 said:
even thow htc are not following GLP does not mean for us to get made over this it will come if not then we should boycot htc
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Let me see if I could translate:
Dear kind sirs,
Even through HTC isn't following the GLP, we shouldn't get our jimmies rustled. If they continue to not give us what we demand, we should boycott the company.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
nolimit78 said:
Let me see if I could translate:
Dear kind sirs,
Even through HTC isn't following the GLP, we shouldn't get our jimmies rustled. If they continue to not give us what we demand, we should boycott the company.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nice!
HTC will eventually release the source. I don't think a petition will do anything at all to expedite that. It's not a priority and the very small percentage of Rezound users that want the source is not going to make it so. If you're really up in arms about it and want to do something that has a chance of working, not a guarantee, but a chance, report a GPL violation.
Some things to keep in mind is that GNU can't do anything about it in this case, so don't waste time reporting it to them. They publish the license, but they are not the copyright holder of the kernel source. Only the copyright holders can do anything about license violations. In this case, there are several thousand copyright holders...everyone who has ever had any code merged into the mainline of the Linux kernel is a copyright holder. Their interests are protected by the Linux Foundation at http://www.linuxfoundation.org/. That is where to start if you want to report a violation.
It's fine to have this energy about this, but don't make the mistake of misdirecting in a bad direction.
Sorry, but I can't sign this.
While I fully support HTC complying with the GPL. I support the usage of basic grammar in formal writing even more.
Was the petition machine translated? That would explain a lot.
foggytown said:
Sorry, but I can't sign this.
While I fully support HTC complying with the GPL. I support the usage of basic grammar in formal writing even more.
Was the petition machine translated? That would explain a lot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This.
If you're going to make a petition for something like this, then you need to do it professionally / with well-written grammar, etc. Right now, like previously mentioned, it just sounds like a bunch of teenagers that aren't getting their way. Re-write the petition to make it sound more formal / professional, and you'll get more support.
Not to mention all the other problems with this, I don't really think this is [URGENT]...
Is someone going to kill your dog if they don't release the source or something?
PhxkinMassacre said:
We are starting a movement toward HTC to get them to release their source code on a more timely basis such as samsung. We need as many people as we can get to do this with us because they won't listen if only users of 1 devices complains. i know others devices have been held up by htc so we are reaching out to (or at least trying to) all of the htc device forums we can in order to spread the word and get everyone involved. please take a look at the link below as it has all of the info regarding this.
link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821328
PETITON: http://www.change.org/petitions/htc-htc-needs-to-speed-up-kernel-source-releases?share_id=sLjvObpqne
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
-_- really?????? come on now. have you read the GPL????
GPL has no specific date or time:
"While this version of the GPL does not place an explicit timeframe upon fulfilment of source distribution under section 3(b), it is the consensus viewpoint of the Linux community that such distribution take place as soon as is practical and certainly no more than 14 days after a request is made."
^ they have a choice to follow what other linux devs do which is 14 days. its only been 6 official days sense launch of ICS on the rez.
Please put down the pitch forks and RELAX already. once the 14 days are up, and you want join Spartacus in his quest to get source, then by all means do so.
Wah. I want my ice cream sandwich! Stomping feet on the way back to my room. Slams door.
I don't get why anyone is taking this thread seriously. If i were HTC and I received some letter from a group of people demanding I release MY WORK earlier than I planned, IF AT ALL, I'd tell them to go buy a a phone from some other manufacturer. Id then sit back and watch my sales drop 1% and continue to enjoy the millions of dollars that continue to come in because we all know HTC makes great phones and a VERY small percentage of consumers would stop buying them even if HTC said they would NEVER release anything.
You guys act like this is some kind of public utility that small children are relying on to survive. HTC owes us nothing outside of what the warranties on their equipment provides for. Grow up already. If you aren't happy, buy another freakin' phone. Jesus.
To Whom it May Concern:
Many owners of one of your devices, the HTC Rezound, appreciate your recent release of the Android 4.0 "Iced Cream Sandwich" operating system. Our collective enthusiasm continues to drive the notions of both innovation and creativity; to that end, we would like to ask that you please consider expediting the schedule you have for releasing the kernel source code for this operating system. While it is true that several previous devices developed by your company (and others) have taken a series of months before release, our community overall asks that you consider accelerating your kernel release schedule so that we may further engage in our community development efforts.
----------------
That is how educated, articulate adults speak and write. I would suggest replacing the existing petition text with something similar to what I wrote above; that way you won't sound like a 15-year old self-entitled douche-canoe, and will have the added bonus of most likely getting more than 142 signatories.
partizan1981 said:
To Whom it May Concern:
Many owners of one of your devices, the HTC Rezound, appreciate your recent release of the Android 4.0 "Iced Cream Sandwich" operating system. Our collective enthusiasm continues to drive the notions of both innovation and creativity; to that end, we would like to ask that you please consider expediting the schedule you have for releasing the kernel source code for this operating system. While it is true that several previous devices developed by your company (and others) have taken a series of months before release, our community overall asks that you consider accelerating your kernel release schedule so that we may further engage in our community development efforts.
----------------
That is how educated, articulate adults speak and write. I would suggest replacing the existing petition text with something similar to what I wrote above; that way you won't sound like a 15-year old self-entitled douche-canoe, and will have the added bonus of most likely getting more than 142 signatories.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nicely done. Sales 101. Not to sound hypocritical but I'm going to steal the term douche-canoe from you for my personal use
Sorry my English is a little bad lol.
wmaudio said:
I don't get why anyone is taking this thread seriously. If i were HTC and I received some letter from a group of people demanding I release MY WORK earlier than I planned, IF AT ALL, I'd tell them to go buy a a phone from some other manufacturer. Id then sit back and watch my sales drop 1% and continue to enjoy the millions of dollars that continue to come in because we all know HTC makes great phones and a VERY small percentage of consumers would stop buying them even if HTC said they would NEVER release anything.
You guys act like this is some kind of public utility that small children are relying on to survive. HTC owes us nothing outside of what the warranties on their equipment provides for. Grow up already. If you aren't happy, buy another freakin' phone. Jesus.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're joking right? You're talking as if HTC is the number one manufacturer when even RIM outsold HTC so far in 2012. That's bad. HTC was doing bad so they had to shake things up, did the One series with Sense 4 then just said "Meh..." to their other devices.
See, that's the thing. You say they owe us nothing when, by the GPL, they do. They're supposed to release the kernel source and haven't. Why? Give me one good reason why they haven't released their source code. They have nothing to gain from this situation other than customers getting pissed off which can be a PR nightmare. Trust me. There are over 25,000 users of ViperROM. HTC's better off to just give us what is rightfully ours before it turns into a giant headache for them.
Chyrux said:
See, that's the thing. You say they owe us nothing when, by the GPL, they do. They're supposed to release the kernel source and haven't. Why? Give me one good reason why they haven't released their source code. They have nothing to gain from this situation other than customers getting pissed off which can be a PR nightmare. Trust me. There are over 25,000 users of ViperROM. HTC's better off to just give us what is rightfully ours before it turns into a giant headache for them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Wow. Such an entitlement mentality. That is the problem with a lot of people. You owe me.... I deserve it. No!
I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
xactor said:
I have got Obi Worldphone Sf1 which is running android 5.0.1 . I tried every method i could and found on google and xda. But couldnt manage to root? I did all steps as noob but now i really want learn every depth of rooting and all. I thought to build android development env that i found on xda-university to build custom recovery like cwm or twrp. So my question is what are basics of rooting? I know what root is. I have experience of linux. I am not completely noob. So can anybody tell me which way to go to be a good android developer?? (like chainfire )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
sachoosaini said:
great so you are like me. The first step is to get the root working. Still no dev has managed to make this thing to work. Well for the most of the part our's is a great device, but at the same time because of unavaliability of kernel resources it is not listed in xda too. Until some experience dev comes out and do some force method to root this phone, there is no hope of ray. First to mess with phone you need a recovery so if anything go haywire then you can revert back to the safe backup.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
xactor said:
Yes, I even talked with service representative of Obi Worldphone. He said that they dont have policy of sharing kernal source etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
See in ss..
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
sachoosaini said:
what does that mean... Every company has to abide my GPL no matter what they are what they do. Well its shame that when indian companies like MICROMAX are releasing their kernel resources they are not going for it. @zelendel (can you shed some light here brother) http://www.obiworldphone.com/global/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
zelendel said:
I am looking into it. The fact that they state every device is designed in the states might be useful. Hold tight while I get in contact with them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
sachoosaini said:
Well Thank you very much brother. Nice to hear from you.. We hope something going to happen soon.
Well any news ?? @zelendel
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
zelendel said:
I have tried contacting them but heard nothing back in reply so far. This is nothing uncommon. Seems that they are just another device OEM from China as OEM from there dont have to respect the GPL.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
sachoosaini said:
Well as usual. So lets wait if they voluntary put their kernel resources online .
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
zelendel said:
I dont wait. I will be getting a hold of them again.
If you just wait on them then they will not do it. Mainly as they are not required to due to where they are.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
sachoosaini said:
One of their owner XApple CEO and other is Indian. And here in India I don't think except few does not give a heck about GPL.... Well most of companies just let it go approach... i also mailed them regarding as per GPL they need to put up their kernel resources online but no reply... Well just emailing i don't think going to have any effect on them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
zelendel said:
I have dealt with a few India based companies and it always comes down to the fact that they just rebrand China devices. Micromax being one of them.
Soon India will have to worry about things like this as it is along the copy right issues that they are trying not to fall into.
Emailing them is a good start, I would also contact who ever you can in the government. While I understand that Gov are different so you could use what ever might work. If it was me I would use the fact that it doesnt make them look good to openly support copyright infringement.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
sachoosaini said:
well as per India there is no specific clause on rooting your phone. Companies just says that if you root your warranty is void. There was never any or whatsoever debate anywhere in Parliament or any public forum. And its better if this kind of thing don't come to INdia i mean rooting debate coz certain companies may force govt to make root illegal. So sometime we can see bigger picture in small loophole
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
Website signature
zelendel said:
Rooting I really isn't the focus of it. Yes you would be able to have root if the bootloader could be unlocked. (totally different topic and nothing you really can do about that ) it's the kernel source that is the topic. Which by the GPL licence that all android kernels are based on require that the source code for the kernel on said device be made public upon request.
Rooting already pretty much voids warranties. This is why devs put red disclaimers in the OP of their threads. As for illegal, I am not versed in how the laws work there but the worst thing you would be doing is voiding your license you use the software that is on your phone. Nothing punishable by fines, jail or anything like that.
Website signature
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah I guess i gone away from the topic. But whenever the topic comes of following GPL companies dodge the question. And most of INdian companies just "nvm" thinking. And for rooting there is nothing like jail here... Things are changing here as people are getting conscious about what are laws and what companies main motive behind hiding like GPL. Well like in america people and devs community slams the companies for not putting sources online.
I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
UltimaXtreme said:
I have an interest in the Worldphone, but due to limits in my particular region, buying one would be like buying an iPod Touch. Can't get it online.
While bootloader unlock and the like should be possible, I think for now, it'll have to wait.
In the mean time, is there a possible file dump of things like the APKs that Obi Worldphone uses? No one else has access to the Obi Lifespeed UI except Worldphone users right now. If it's possible, can you grab the APKs with software like ES File Explorer, and ZIP it to a cloud?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
RebelO7 said:
As a onetime worldphone user i can tell you not to bother with it
The ui and every other app on it lags as af
Atleast in my case.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
UltimaXtreme said:
Performance ties very directly into device specifications.
Even if it lags, that's only the case known for the Obi Worldphone. There are several other phones in the world, with better processors than the SD615. An 800 may very well knock it out of the park compared to an SF1, and would no doubt topple the MV1, with its meager 212.
It's a simple request. The APKs to the exclusive applications. Even if it's the Lifespeed UI at most.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
RebelO7 said:
It is simple enough but the UI in itself isnt all that good
I mean what do you like about it?
Its not like Lenovo's vibe UI or oneplus Oxygen OS
Its simply an icon pack and a different lockscreen
Dolby Atmos being the only somewhat redeeming feature of this phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's really that simple? Just a slightly colorful version of the stock lockscreen?
So beyond that, it's basically just AOSP versions of the other apps, I assume.
Pretty disappointing now that you bring that up. Seemed like it would be more intriguing than that.