Android is open source, you changed is the exclusive copyright? This is not unreasonable.
If anyone need help, you can email me
花、不凋落っ said:
Android is open source, you changed is the exclusive copyright? This is not unreasonable.
If anyone need help, you can email me
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Hi! first of all i really appreciate the work you did with the 3D working on sense 4.1, then i just wanted to share my point of view.
it's not a copyright problem in my opinion, simpy some people works hard on something, and for respect if anyone wants to use their work should ask for permissions before using it, and then adds credits. Team Venom did a great job, a whole customizable sense with their own hub and good performance, so it's normal that many many people look at their work!
you didn't even credited team venom nor mwakious nor whoever you picked files from! that's a lack of respect here! you could have started a "clean" rom from ruu, and just fix it to show here that you (or idogx, i'm not sure who is the creator of the 3d fix) could do a perfect sense 4.1 rom! or you can create a guide, showing how to get 3d working! if you do/did this, anyone that would use your fix would give credits to you and recognize you/idogx/whoever as the "guys that got 3D fully working on sense 4.1"!
maybe that's different from the way you are used to do in other forums, but this is how we work here: respecting also other people's hard work, i hope you'll understand
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it's not a copyright problem in my opinion, simpy some people works hard on something, and for respect if anyone wants to use their work should ask for permissions before using it, and then adds credits.
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respect? hell no. its all about licensing. or do you remember all the respect chad goodman got for his work? at least i don't. the problem is, android is distributed under the Apache License and the kernels under the GNU GPL. if google had decided to take the GPL for android and not apache, we wouldn't have any problems with devs not want to sharing their work, because they would get a ****storm and a report to the violations board.
the best would be just to release the fix, so every dev could use it and we don't get any copyright discussions. if you say "Android is open source" then this fix should be too.
What is you email adress 花、不凋落っ? I sent you PM.
Uh.....what is this about?
He could make sense 4.1 rom with fully working 3d but he can not upload it because of xda rules
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How to pm?
What is your email aderss??
I was here before it got locked...
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An exception should be made in case of Sense 4.1 + EVO 3D + working 3D cam.
I just read somewhere that team Venom is busy and an update to Viper3d will be done in the future. Now, the person that made the fix could apply to work with Team Venom as it is open now to moderators or whatnot. And he will get the pass to implement the fix and take the credit for it. And we could make an exception to the rules when it comes to Evo3D with full 3d and sense 4.1 maybe this guy can do it for sense 5.0 in the future don't hold him back pls we need 3D
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I just read somewhere that team Venom is busy and an update to Viper3d will be done in the future. Now, the person that made the fix could apply to work with Team Venom as it is open now to moderators or whatnot. And he will get the pass to implement the fix and take the credit for it. And we could make an exception to the rules when it comes to Evo3D with full 3d and sense 4.1 maybe this guy can do it for sense 5.0 in the future don't hold him back pls we need 3D
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Would be nice if they allow it.....but sense 5 and 3d cannot be possible AFAIK. Since we had 3d working on sense 3.6 which is ICS, it was possible on sense 4 but we dont have any official jellybean with 3D so getting 3D working on sense 5 isnt possible for us and we dont even have Sense 5.........
OK, sense4.1 3D camera is moded by idogx? Does idogx grant you permission to post here?
Lemme just say this: Just because Android is open source when it comes Google, doesn't mean it has to be once a dev gets their hands on it, whether it be HTC, Samsung, LG, even a developer here, just some food for thought.
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EvilEVO3D said:
I just read somewhere that team Venom is busy and an update to Viper3d will be done in the future. Now, the person that made the fix could apply to work with Team Venom as it is open now to moderators or whatnot. And he will get the pass to implement the fix and take the credit for it. And we could make an exception to the rules when it comes to Evo3D with full 3d and sense 4.1 maybe this guy can do it for sense 5.0 in the future don't hold him back pls we need 3D
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I pm team Venom ，but no answer
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respect? hell no. its all about licensing. or do you remember all the respect chad goodman got for his work? at least i don't. the problem is, android is distributed under the Apache License and the kernels under the GNU GPL. if google had decided to take the GPL for android and not apache, we wouldn't have any problems with devs not want to sharing their work, because they would get a ****storm and a report to the violations board.
the best would be just to release the fix, so every dev could use it and we don't get any copyright discussions. if you say "Android is open source" then this fix should be too.
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Androids linux kernal is open source. Big big difference. This argument in invalid. If it were as you say, the we would see mandatory releases of touchwiz and sense source codes. Htc and samsung can keep those proprietary. If a developer TRULY felt the need they too could make any original code or branches proprietary. So if your going to kang original work from somebody give them the courtesy of asking.
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Is this 3D camera fix possible on Jelly Bean?
花、不凋落っ said:
I pm team Venom ，but no answer
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Maybe they are a bit busy let's hope they will answer, and another thing I downloaded your full 3d working room,but it was corrupted, size at around 383 mb...no matter what they say you did make sense4.1 with 3d kudos to you brother
i have the same question
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Is this 3D camera fix possible on Jelly Bean?
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anyone??
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anyone??
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MIUIROM aka the ppl who make
MIUI are asking for everyone to vote on which devices they should officially support! Let's get our 3D's on that list!
http://www.facebook.com/questions/217517851641131/?qa_ref=ssp
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Done..I mean come on...we can't let the sensation beat us.
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Just voted lets go 3d **** the samsung **** 2 or whatever its called lol
Scott for MVP
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MIUIROM aka the ppl who make
MIUI are asking for everyone to vote on which devices they should officially support! Let's get our 3D's on that list!
http://www.facebook.com/questions/217517851641131/?qa_ref=ssp
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The only problem with this is that the Evo 3D is a Wimax phone, if they officially support it i still don't see them putting in the Wimax 4g bits so technically it still wouldn't be a "full" release.
As Wimax users we unfortunately are the great minority, and wouldn't make sense for them to support us officially
http://forums.miuiandroid.com/showthread.php?4707-PSA-Status-of-Miui-Wimax-HDMI-and-other-issues
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I worked for about a week in porting all the Wimax framework and apk modifications to Miui. The size of that task alone was insane. However, I still was getting bootloops. We came to find out that my efforts were futile. Toastcfh, who most of you know, worked with Shinzul and some other guys to bring Wimax to AOSP. Toastcfh told a few of us that we were out of luck because CM7 uses libs that make calls to Wimax hardware (Sequans). These libs do not work with MIUI. Therefore, Wimax will likely not be coming to Miui unless the Chinese help us out. Regrettably, they have shown no interest in this for reasons that seem trivial to me in the scheme of things.
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But here's hoping
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The only problem with this is that the Evo 3D is a Wimax phone, if they officially support it i still don't see them putting in the Wimax 4g bits so technically it still wouldn't be a "full" release.
As Wimax users we unfortunately are the great minority, and wouldn't make sense for them to support us officially
http://forums.miuiandroid.com/showthread.php?4707-PSA-Status-of-Miui-Wimax-HDMI-and-other-issues
But here's hoping
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If they're asking us which device they would fully support, why wouldn't they try to implement wimax? Isn't the poll posted by the official MIUI team.
beyond882001 said:
If they're asking us which device they would fully support, why wouldn't they try to implement wimax? Isn't the poll posted by the official MIUI team.
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I'm not sure who posted that poll, I haven't seen it because I got rid of my Facebook a while ago.
But I was under the impression that the official developers are strictly Chinese and speak no English. The majority of the miui developers that communicate with them do so in Chinese through whatever channels or dev boards.
Also, Facebook is completely blocked in China, along with G+, Twitter and pretty much all other social networks accept the one their government uses, So I think its safe to say as it may be someone close "or thinks they are close" to the developers it is not the developers themselves running the pole.
Alright guys, I think its time this device has a solid team of testers and developers alike so I'm looking for any developers interested in joining. What kind of devs do we need? Well, we need Java and ROM developers and I was also hoping globatron would be willing to join (I'm sure you can agree globatron, its easier to have stuff tested by a closed group that's on Irc or something and know what they are doing) I'm sure you all are thinking "hey, you said testers too!" Yes I did, I want 2 people for each device but you must be power users. No stupid questions should be asked and you must be proficient with adb and fastboot.
Just post below mentioning what you want to join as and I'll let you know. So far we have gumby as another rom Dev and moneymike55 as our themer.
Members:
moneymike55 - themer (evo view)
Gumby63 - rom developer (flyer)
Indirect - Rom developer/general developer (view/flyer)
Truthkillszz - Tester (evo view)
mcord11758 - Tester (HTC Flyer Wifi Only)
kaijura - Tester until further investigation (View)
DigitalMD - Coder
AidenM - General dev / tester (Wifi Flyer)
newalker91 - Kernel Dev (View)
vlara - General dev (unknown)
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I would like to join as a tester. I have been rooting my phones and using adb , fastboot since G1 days lol. I have had 8 different phones which I rooted all since I got them and the view is my 4th tablet which I rooted all also. I am new to the view but I am dying to help ramp up the dev scene for this device.
Tester for the team means you get alpha / beta tests btw everyone. Also, you're in truthkillszz.
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I could be a tester/partial ROM modifier, can't exactly modify code that well but know my way around android. Perhaps you could also PM globatron about this?
Edit: Flyer wifi.
Skills: extract/modify/reinstall system apks, tinkering with android files, stuff like that.
I have already pm'd globatron. I'm hoping he's interestedm
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I have already pm'd globatron. I'm hoping he's interestedm
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cool
10char
Anyone else interested in applying?
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I am nothing more than a win zipper and a bug tester but if you need either I am game to lend a hand
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I can be a tester. I consider myself a power user. Have been on android since the G1 and know my way around adb and fastboot.
If you guys are going to be a tester, I need to know your device (View or Flyer [3g or Wifi only for flyer])
I am a best buy WiFi flyer
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I can give a hand out with is needed. I consider myself to be a general user, kang'er, and someone who likes to poke around with the system apk's. Using the HTC Express/View here.
I can help out with Java or C++ code or other Android ROM work , depending on what you are building. My time is somewhat limited depending on my everyday job.
Glad to see we actually have a coder now! DigitalMD, I would like you to be the general coder for us. Are you interested?
I have the best buy wifi only flyer.
I'll test for the US Wifi Only. I can also do small mods. Nothing big, as I'm not an experienced dev at all, but I would love to help if you need it.
If you need it, I can test. BB WiFi Flyer.
I see a few people have offered, so if you have enough testers already, you can tell me. My feelings will remain intact.
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I have already pm'd globatron. I'm hoping he's interestedm
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And received. Frankly, I don't know if I have the time to do justice to a team effort. I'll consider it over the weekend and let you know on Monday or Tuesday.
It would mean alot if you joined globatron, you're probably one of the better (best) devs in this community and it would be great to work with you as well as help us make the community a bit more dev friendly. Anyway, thanks for atleast considering it. If you ever need anything, feel free to let me know regardless.
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Once we get a source code for the HC kernel for the View, I'll try my hand at making kernels for it. Still very new at it, but I learn fast.
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Little bird told me it will be about ~1 week.
I'm confused why this Rom was closed my understanding is that the tools are custom written for this Rom and don't understand how these are similar to any Rom on the rezound. Was it just that credit wasnt given? I'm sad to see this happen as newtoroot and hawknest roms were some of the best for the rezound. I hope those threads get reopened because they greatly improved this phone.
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I am too as Team Venom hasnt had an update in months and Newt has had CD ST in every release....
No disrespect to the other devs, but Newt WAS the first and ONLY one to figure out the RIL and Sense 4 for this device. If it wasn't for Newt, the others wouldn't have Sense 4. But I'm just saying what I've read here and there throughout the forums over time. I have not flashed his latest release, so I do not know what this CD Tools Suite thing is.
I just think this whole thing is ridiculous. one little tweak app without permission and they all go crazy. oh well. I never liked viper anyways. their 'dev' that promotes it in this section was always starting something. this is my opinion, remove if you want.
From the TeamVenom thread, the investigation is about whether CoreDroid tools is a kang, not Newt's ROM itself. But since the ROM uses the Coredroid tools, it is impacted.
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From the TeamVenom thread, the investigation is about whether CoreDroid tools is a kang, not Newt's ROM itself. But since the ROM uses the Coredroid tools, it is impacted.
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Whatever happened to Android being open source? or maybe I'm missing something here?
problem is you got some whinny developers who havent released anything in months, who like to stir up ****. Sucks that Admins here play along with it. I am trying to find the correlation between venoms tweaks and CD, there is some similarities, but nothing that any other tweak program has not done. Even the coding is different. Just a BS power play, and all it does is hurt this site as devs pull their stuff over it...
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problem is you got some whinny developers who havent released anything in months, who like to stir up ****. Sucks that Admins here play along with it. I am trying to find the correlation between venoms tweaks and CD, there is some similarities, but nothing that any other tweak program has not done. Even the coding is different. Just a BS power play, and all it does is hurt this site as devs pull their stuff over it...
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Agreed, open source means open source. People don't kang because of respect, but it's not a friggin law.
It's known in coding to piggy back existing code and not re invent the wheel every time.. that's the right thing to do. What's he supposed to do? Code a tweaks app that does the same things as core droid and expect the code to look different?
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No offense, and I love how the devs take their time to treat us with all this candy, but Venom has nothing on Newt's work, who has made I think for releases in the time Venom has been dormant. Also, what is this, Apple? OPEN SOURCE!! Just coz they're similar does not mean an idea was ripped off. It's like Samsung suing HTC for having capacitive buttons!!!
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]No offense, and I love how the devs take their time to treat us with all this candy, but Venom has nothing on Newt's work, who has made I think four releases in the time Venom has been dormant. Also, what is this, Apple? OPEN SOURCE!! Just coz they're similar does not mean an idea was ripped off. It's like Samsung suing HTC for having capacitive buttons!!!
Newt can still build his rom and use the apps that wants, and he's going to. It just want be posted here. And he wasn't the only one affected, the other roms running suite tools were too. However hawknest had the new revised code in his rom because he used the new app, and supposedly that was written to do away with the problematic code. I'm sure there's some similar situations other developers are facing. It's tough for all involved that's for sure.
Well I was never a flashaholic but thanks to Newt and Snuzzo I am completely happy with my Rezound. I can sit back patiently and wait for JB.
But sorry to hear of this development. Can't say I understand the implications.
While I respect the hard work all the devs put into delivering us with great options to keep our phone awesome, there is some seriously faulty logic at play here. Android is meant to be open source. If you dev for Android you should first accept that fundamental rule of the community. We get better by working together. Hissy fits and fingerpointing only hurts ALL development and innovation. Nearly all code is built on something already out there, even if just an idea on how to improve something. And the most honest truth...anyone developing a Sense ROM has in essence "kanged" HTC's work. So the moral to the story is grow up; and remember folks, sharing is caring.
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Xda exists purely because devs are able to many the work of HTC,Motorola, Samsung, Google etc. To pick and choose who gets to move forward here is a joke at best.
You want to lock down intellectual property then file for patents and protect your property..
Otherwise don't post it on a forum that exists purely because of other companies software. I don't see htc, Samsung, Motorola asking for threads to be closed.
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I have used Newts roms in the past and have found that he is a quality developer. With all due respect, I am sorely disappointed in the actions of the mods in their action today. I will follow Newt over at "the other forum".
Jackie
At least those whiny little b*stards gave me a reason to gtfo of xda for awhile. I love most of the people here and all the info but it's stuff like this that ruins it.
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Thread Closed, it was removed not because Newt had done anything, but because the team the team that made the thing he uses was taken from Team Venom.
Hey everybody can anyone give me a name of a rom with sense 4 that have 3D camera support
oren1512 said:
Hey everybody can anyone give me a name of a rom with sense 4 that have 3D camera support
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There aren't any. You are going to have to stay with Sense 3.6 if you want 3D camera support.
ramjet73
Please direct all your questions in the q n a section for future reference.
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Please direct all your questions in the q n a section for future reference.
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A quarter of the threads in general are questions... Get used to it. No matter how much you tell people they will still post here.
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AW: [Q] EVO 3D sense 4 and 3D camera
No way...
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No way...
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Stop making posts like this just to get your 10 or you will be reported for spamming these forums.
ramjet73
On viper3d i had functional 3d video and 3d viewing photos, but 3dcamera wasnt working.
Unless someone can write the 3D drivers from scratch (which would take the work of a god) or HTC releases the 3D drivers, we won't see 3D camera outside anything that isn't a port. Kinda the same problem with FFC on the original EVO
3D and Sense 4..
Hi, sorry for being a newbie and not understanding all of the compatability etc
But other roms have 3d camera working, eg genesis rom has 3d functionality aswell as normal RUU's, why can anyone extract that "script"
Im still new but isnt it possilbe to read the source code and see what can be changed...
Why isnt 3d and sense 4 not compatible???
cybergurken said:
Hi, sorry for being a newbie and not understanding all of the compatability etc
But other roms have 3d camera working, eg genesis rom has 3d functionality aswell as normal RUU's, why can anyone extract that "script"
Im still new but isnt it possilbe to read the source code and see what can be changed...
Why isnt 3d and sense 4 not compatible???
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If reading the full source code was so easy, then why only 3d you would even have iOS, ubuntu or any operating system running natively on your phone.
You can decompile many apps but that's a different thing.
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If reading the full source code was so easy, then why only 3d you would even have iOS, ubuntu or any operating system running natively on your phone.
You can decompile many apps but that's a different thing.
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Hi, i understand that it is not easy, but what is the actual reason for not making them compatible, e.g., HTC can launch a sense 4 rom and a 3D rom, what is hindering the 2 to merge, why is the obstruction, I dont have much programming experience, but I do understand... a little, is it a few classes that arent compatible,etc
This is for interest sake, however I would really like to specialize in Android a a whole when finishing my BSc CS degree, I love solving problems like these...
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Hi, i understand that it is not easy, but what is the actual reason for not making them compatible, e.g., HTC can launch a sense 4 rom and a 3D rom, what is hindering the 2 to merge, why is the obstruction, I dont have much programming experience, but I do understand... a little, is it a few classes that arent compatible,etc
This is for interest sake, however I would really like to specialize in Android a a whole when finishing my BSc CS degree, I love solving problems like these...
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It is just not that simple. Each version of Sense is built on a specific version of Android and is specific to that particular device. You can port ROMs between devices but some work may be necessary to get some things working. However, without the source it can be difficult or near impossible to fix some critical things.
The carriers also care about new phone sales and do not care about old phones. Especially 2 year old phones. At some point you have to break off and drop old technology.
exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we will get official aosp support sice some devs arent really willing to deal with s-on? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
My question is what does the one have to do with the other? Or put it this way what does S-Off have to do with AOSP? just wondering, thanks.
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exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we can get official aosp support soon? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
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My personal opinion, i'm sure others will. I won't compile an AOSP rom for the DNA. My reason. I happen to love sense. Reason I stick with HTC phones. I don't like touchwiz (earth, haze, whatever they keep changing the ui name to) and moto ui is too much like stock. I like personality in my phone.
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exactly like the op says, now that we have s-off, do you guys think we can get official aosp support soon? im not requesting. i'm just interested in what others think
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Not to sound like a jerk but it seems like you should know your way around....
We always have AOSP thats why its called android OPEN SOURCE project. The question is will someone be able to port it to the DNA.
Go to the Orig. Android Dev section for the DNA and you will see drewx2 an others have been working tirelessly on porting CM10.1 (AOSP) to the DNA. Instead of asking a question that has been answered in the thread you should go check it off.
And S-OFF has nothign to do with porting AOSP. It might make a difference considering other devs may get the phone now that the bootloader is fully unlocked. But it has no DIRECT effect.
How many of these threads do we need?? You could not have posted in the AOSP thread right below yours?? Besides if you people wanted AOSP you should have bought a Nexus. SMH
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My question is what does the one have to do with the other? Or put it this way what does S-Off have to do with AOSP? just wondering, thanks.
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My dear Zone. I think the question was, now that there's no security whatsoever, does it mean now we have the capability to modify the device even further.
The S-off feature allows us to upgrade the firmware (ie, bootloader ver, radios) on our devices. The software is capable after root is achieved. Root in lamens terms is giving yourself administrative rights over your phone, ,much like you have administrative rights on your windows computer. BUT, linux does not have administrator priveleges, it has root priveleges. Thats why Zone is confused by your queston.
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Not to sound like a jerk but it seems like you should know your way around....
We always have AOSP thats why its called android OPEN SOURCE project. The question is will someone be able to port it to the DNA.
Go to the Orig. Android Dev section for the DNA and you will see drewx2 an others have been working tirelessly on porting CM10.1 (AOSP) to the DNA. Instead of asking a question that has been answered in the thread you should go check it off.
And S-OFF has nothign to do with porting AOSP. It might make a difference considering other devs may get the phone now that the bootloader is fully unlocked. But it has no DIRECT effect.
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number 1, yes you sound like a jerk. number 2, some people dont have time to search for a partial answer to somebody else's question. 3, i asked for OPINIONS on the subject. not answers or eta's. 4, i have seen the thread, i asked for speculations on official ports, and i am very aware of the hard work devs put in (donated to jcase and beaups). and 5, s-off has a LOT to do with aosp ports, since many devs refuse to support locked phones, which is an effect. not direct, but still an effect.
honestly i know now why xda's rep is such crap now. when i try to start a conversation on this site all you get is a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do than act condescending and sarcastic.
and thank you dragonstalker for being just about the only person on this thread that even attempted to act sensible and polite
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How many of these threads do we need?? You could not have posted in the AOSP thread right below yours?? Besides if you people wanted AOSP you should have bought a Nexus. SMH
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where's the fun with nexus phones? number one, i am a strict lte user. two, i dont really like nexus because you dont get to really choose other oem skins. some days i like sense/touchwiz, and other days i like aosp. and no wont post in the other thread. they arent looking for the same conversation/info i am, and i'm not gonna add another question to a question thread. SMH
well some devs might be more interested in getting the phone now that it has s off. I don't think it has a direct effect either but making things more convenient for the end user to install kernels should entice more people, including devs looking for a new toy.
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number 1, yes you sound like a jerk. number 2, some people dont have time to search for a partial answer to somebody else's question. 3, i asked for OPINIONS on the subject. not answers or eta's. 4, i have seen the thread, i asked for speculations on official ports, and i am very aware of the hard work devs put in (donated to jcase and beaups). and 5, s-off has a LOT to do with aosp ports, since many devs refuse to support locked phones, which is an effect. not direct, but still an effect.
honestly i know now why xda's rep is such crap now. when i try to start a conversation on this site all you get is a bunch of trolls with nothing better to do than act condescending and sarcastic.
and thank you dragonstalker for being just about the only person on this thread that even attempted to act sensible and polite
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Theres nothing wrong with "XDA's" rep. Its people posting/asking the same quesitons over and over again without taking the 5 minutes to browse the forums or 30 seconds to do a search. Theres been like 800 S-OFF/AOSP related threads/questions when in truth they honestly arent that related. S-OFF is essentially disabling a security check. AOSP is the source.
You could of also just posted like someone else said in one of the other threads on the front page of DNA Q/A asking about S-OFF/AOSP. I dont post a lot but honestly all of these questions being asked over and over again is really silly.
Same with asking about an ETA. The ETA is when the devs finish it. If you want it faster help out. Its not easy.
Maybe you should have reworded your question to something like "Now that we have S-OFF is porting AOSP and easier/quicker which would speed up the eta?"
Im sorry but after the whole debacle with people bugging devs and almost driving them out of the scene and taking them for granted I am not trying to have this widespread post spam happen.
and btw official CM10 support usually happens after somone has a stable and organized build. Then CM10 will usually ask them to become the official maintainer for that device. DrewX2 posted about it in the CM10.1 DNA thread I am not giving that great of an explanation.
dragonstalker said:
My dear Zone. I think the question was, now that there's no security whatsoever, does it mean now we have the capability to modify the device even further.
The S-off feature allows us to upgrade the firmware (ie, bootloader ver, radios) on our devices. The software is capable after root is achieved. Root in lamens terms is giving yourself administrative rights over your phone, ,much like you have administrative rights on your windows computer. BUT, linux does not have administrator priveleges, it has root priveleges. Thats why Zone is confused by your queston.
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Ya I get confused a lot thanks for cleaning that up for me.
Technically we have AOSP but with Sense skin. If you want AOSP feel then flash a deSensed rom (Sence isn't completely removed, only as much as possible) and use an AOSP theme.
orangechoochoo said:
Technically we have AOSP but with Sense skin. If you want AOSP feel then flash a deSensed rom (Sence isn't completely removed, only as much as possible) and use an AOSP theme.
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Let me clarify something... AOSP is nothing like sense... Sense isn't a skin it's a full OS. HTC didn't theme AOSP, they built from ground up an os based on android kernel / Linux kernel
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Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
orangechoochoo said:
Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Yea that's exactly what I was referencing from lol
orangechoochoo said:
Nevermind, you're right.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...d-skins-aosp-sense-touchwiz-xda-developer-tv/
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Wow, someone who admits they're wrong. I didn't know that existed on the Internet.
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Unphazed MD said:
Theres nothing wrong with "XDA's" rep. Its people posting/asking the same quesitons over and over again without taking the 5 minutes to browse the forums or 30 seconds to do a search. Theres been like 800 S-OFF/AOSP related threads/questions when in truth they honestly arent that related. S-OFF is essentially disabling a security check. AOSP is the source.
You could of also just posted like someone else said in one of the other threads on the front page of DNA Q/A asking about S-OFF/AOSP. I dont post a lot but honestly all of these questions being asked over and over again is really silly.
Same with asking about an ETA. The ETA is when the devs finish it. If you want it faster help out. Its not easy.
Maybe you should have reworded your question to something like "Now that we have S-OFF is porting AOSP and easier/quicker which would speed up the eta?"
Im sorry but after the whole debacle with people bugging devs and almost driving them out of the scene and taking them for granted I am not trying to have this widespread post spam happen.
and btw official CM10 support usually happens after somone has a stable and organized build. Then CM10 will usually ask them to become the official maintainer for that device. DrewX2 posted about it in the CM10.1 DNA thread I am not giving that great of an explanation.
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did you not read how i just said i didnt ask for eta's or roms. do you know how to read. also did you read how i said i donate to devs when possible. also did you read how i said i wasnt asking for progress updates. i said i was looking for CONVERSATIONAL OPINIONS ON THE SUBJECT
Bigandrewgold said:
Wow, someone who admits they're wrong. I didn't know that existed on the Internet.
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It doesn't hurt to be wrong, it's a learning experience :good:
No s off won't make CM10 any easier to build. Fixing not being able to push or pull system files while phone is booted makes things much easier to work with and in my opinion was way more helpful to the devs on general.
If you look at some of the recent HTC devices, a good number of those devices are s off, and the AOSP developers went back to s on because of safety concerns for the device after a few mishaps building from source.
To build AOSP for a device like this requires some serious skill on the RIL (radio interface layer) department especially. Using the command line for a few things like boot.img isn't challenging to someone that can build from source for AOSP. And definitely is a skill someone porting AOSP roms and especially trying to crack RIL would have acquired a long time ago. While on the surface it seems so advantageous to the end user, to port AOSP over to a brand new device, my 2 sense is that s on is the least of their worries.
And yeap the guys above me are right, sense is built as sense from the ground up. And unlike AOSP, most of sense is proprietary so unlike AOSP Android, it has to be reverse engineered and then built to work on the hardware in our phones. The linux kernel used by HTC is open source and they comply with the GPL and release kernel source code for it. But everything proprietary is kept pretty locked down to prevent Samsung from using sense 5 and calling it "Samsung inSense"
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Sent from my DNA... S-Off like a baws
Why do so many people buy HTC phones which all come with some form of Sense and then spam XDA with questions about when can we get AOSP? The answer to the question by the OP is no because S-Off has nothing to do with getting AOSP. As Charles put it the biggest hurdle on every HTC device I have had for the devs to get AOSP working is RIL and kernel.